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How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (2 Viewers)
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sho nuff
Footballguy
It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
This was off the first page and once again you had to bring it back.It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
sho nuff
Footballguy
Funny, you and others don't seem to care the numerous other times other people do this...but oh boy do you all love to point out if I do it.Why do you care?Mad you did not get the bump it?This was off the first page and once again you had to bring it back.It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
Funny, you and others don't seem to care the numerous other times other people do this...but oh boy do you all love to point out if I do it.Why do you care?Mad you did not get the bump it?This was off the first page and once again you had to bring it back.It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
sho nuff
Footballguy
Thanks again for adding completely nothing to this thread....pretty much par for the course with you.Funny, you and others don't seem to care the numerous other times other people do this...but oh boy do you all love to point out if I do it.Why do you care?Mad you did not get the bump it?This was off the first page and once again you had to bring it back.It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
No....that smilie was thrown out there to watch your obsession with getting the last word in. Once again, you didn't disappoint and I'm sure you won't with your reply to this.Thanks again for adding completely nothing to this thread....pretty much par for the course with you.Funny, you and others don't seem to care the numerous other times other people do this...but oh boy do you all love to point out if I do it.Why do you care?Mad you did not get the bump it?This was off the first page and once again you had to bring it back.It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
i wanted to bump this earlier for this article, but didnt want to put it back on the first page.
since it is anyway...
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/36481544.html
since it is anyway...
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/36481544.html
Mario Kart
Footballguy
This was off the first page and once again you had to bring it back.
griz145389
Footballguy
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
After seeing Favre these last few weeks, one has to wonder about the Jets' decision.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
After seeing Favre these last few weeks, one has to wonder about the Jets' decision.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Nobody knows how he would have done for GB...that said...at this point, he should be doing better out there.
He and the defense both had not played well recently, the D was ok today...he was off.
But as a team, you can't go 3-5 against the AFC and NFC west (with losses to Seattle, San Fran and Oakland) if you want to make the playoffs.
Not sure how in the heck they kicked the crap out of Tennessee.
He and the defense both had not played well recently, the D was ok today...he was off.
But as a team, you can't go 3-5 against the AFC and NFC west (with losses to Seattle, San Fran and Oakland) if you want to make the playoffs.
Not sure how in the heck they kicked the crap out of Tennessee.
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Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Buckle up for a week of xtra pissy Viking fan posting.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
I highly doubt that anyone in the Jets organization regrets the decision.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
From JS Online
Grade point
Taking a look at how Rodgers rates
By Bob McGinn
Posted: Dec. 20, 2008
Chicago - At this point in his fledgling career, Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers rates as the 19th-best quarterback in the National Football League.
That was the conclusion last week in a survey of four executives in personnel for other NFL teams, including two from the AFC and two from the NFC. Each of them has been a scout in the NFL for at least 10 years.
Undoubtedly, some of the Packers' coaches and scouts would argue that Rodgers should be ranked higher. General manager Ted Thompson gave Rodgers a five-year extension worth $63.52 million in new money ($20 million guaranteed) after his seventh start, saying he didn't even need that long to make his evaluation.
If there was ever any doubt that Rodgers was Thompson's guy, there could be none after that statement.
Although the four personnel men have never coached Rodgers or worked for the Packers during Rodgers' four-year career, they are more than qualified to make such a judgment. Three work for teams that played Green Bay this season, meaning they had to break down many games of the Packers'. And, as a general rule, they scan through every NFL game every week.
To start, 21 backup quarterbacks with legitimate ability were identified to go with the other 31 starters. Then each of the scouts was asked whether they would take Rodgers in comparison to those 52 players. There were no qualifiers other than injured players were considered healthy; the scouts seemed to make their choices on the basis of winning now.
Twelve quarterbacks were chosen over Rodgers by a 4-0 vote: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Carson Palmer, Matt Ryan, Donovan McNabb, Philip Rivers and Kurt Warner.
Three were chosen over Rodgers by a 3-1 margin: Brett Favre, Jake Delhomme and Vince Young.
Three finished in a 2-2 tie with Rodgers: Jason Campbell, Chad Pennington and Jeff Garcia.
Nine finished behind Rodgers by a 3-1 margin: Joe Flacco, David Garrard, Matt Schaub, Trent Edwards, Kyle Orton, Matt Leinart, JaMarcus Russell, Sage Rosenfels and Daunte Culpepper.
Rodgers won by 4-0 over the other 25.
Two scouts ranked Rodgers No. 21, a third ranked him No. 20 and the fourth ranked him No. 14. The average was No. 19.
Entering the week, Rodgers was tied for eighth in passer rating at 91.8. His predecessor, Favre, ranked 15th at 86.5.
Here are excerpts from the interviews followed by my comment:
"It's hard to follow a legend. I think he's played well. He's not a rookie but he's not much more than a rookie, in my mind. He's shown a lot of ability. Mike (McCarthy) is a good offensive coach and is part of the reason Aaron's had success. I don't think he's the reason they're losing." - NFC scout
Based on Rodgers' first two training camps, it was beginning to look like he might turn out to be another Rich Campbell. He has come a long, long way.
"All those guys behind Favre moved on and had success. That's your measuring stick right there. Pretty good group." - NFC scout
Mark Brunell, Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks, even Ty Detmer had excellent careers based on where they were drafted. All learned from Favre, as did Rodgers.
"The biggest concern going in was the durability. He has managed to hang in and take some hits. He doesn't play as big as he is. His frame doesn't look like he's 218. Naturally, he's probably a 190 guy. I don't think there was ever a doubt on his toughness. It's just that he was so fragile." - AFC scout
This scout predicted in the second week of September that Rodgers wouldn't last more than eight games. Rodgers allayed some fears about his durability by playing through a sprained right shoulder. That was highly impressive.
"His arm is OK. It's good enough to make all the throws, but it's not anything special." - AFC scout
After evaluating Rodgers coming out of California, former St. Louis coach Mike Martz listed arm strength as his top concern, followed by the ability to read a defense, react and go through a progression. "I could be wrong about both," Martz said in December 2005. He probably was. With increased overall strength and a less rigid delivery, Rodgers now has a good arm.
"He hasn't given them the ability to get rid of the ball quick to help his protection." - NFC scout
Rodgers has been at fault for seven of the 30 sacks (23.3%). In 18 games last season, Favre was responsible for three of his 16 sacks (18.8%). Rodgers did hold the ball too long early; six of his seven were in the first nine games. He has been much better of late.
"He has some feel for escaping stuff. He has some ability to create. But he's not somebody that you're scared of when he pulls the ball down." - AFC scout
Rodgers has rushed 53 times for 214 yards, a 4.0-yard average, and four touchdowns. Favre's best rushing season was 1993 with 216 yards. Favre had 154 yards and one touchdown in his last five years.
"Best in the NFC North? Maybe. It's not even close to being etched in stone. You put him and (Kyle) Orton before he got hurt, their numbers were somewhat similar. And (Tarvaris) Jackson has really been looking good." - NFC scout
Agreed. Orton was doing a lot with a lesser supporting cast before his ankle injury. And Jackson does have a ton of ability.
"I don't know how much of a big-play guy he is. And I don't know that he can put stuff together when you need it as opposed to accumulating stats. To me, the key is whether a guy can go out and win a game. He hasn't done that. Even Favre, as a young guy, he'd (mess) stuff up, but when it came down to the end he'd find a way. Like Steve McNair, he may play awful but would make plays when they needed to win the game. Even Vince Young is 18-11 as a starter." - AFC scout
Rodgers had chances in the last few minutes to win six games: Tampa Bay, Tennessee, at Minnesota, Carolina, Houston and Jacksonville. He's 0-6. It's the big, black blot on his season.
"I just don't see him being able to take those guys and say, 'All right, we're going to score.' It's the intangible things you have to look at with this guy. And how many guys do you know just become a leader? They don't just become one." – NFC scout
The departures of Favre and Rob Davis left the Packers almost bankrupt of leadership. Rodgers is 25. Hard to say what he might be like at 28 or 30.
"He's got the confidence of a great player without being a great player. Aaron's a little bit like Jay Cutler, but Cutler's a (jerk). Aaron would be that cocky fraternity guy in college that you just want to smack upside the head sometimes." - AFC scout
Rodgers, with a 35 on the Wonderlic intelligence test, is the smartest guy in many rooms. In his first two seasons, he did come across as somewhat arrogant. But he learned from Favre what teammates want from their quarterback. Can Rodgers be hard to coach? Perhaps.
"The first two years it was questionable whether he'd ever play a snap in the league. I think he's maxed out. I just think whatever you have right now is what he will be. He may not lose games, which certainly isn't a bad thing, but I don't think they ever will win games because of him." - AFC scout
How many good NFL quarterbacks didn't have a Division I offer out of high school and had to play one year at a junior college? In October 2005, the late Bill Walsh echoed this when he said: "What you see is what you get. He doesn't have great more potential that doesn't show. He's part of a system and a real outstanding coach in college and all of that. I don't know where it's going to take him."
"I'm not sure there is a ceiling on him.&ensp.&ensp. outside of the intangible factors. I mean, he can do everything. Athletically? There's no ceiling. And he's only been a starter for one year." - NFC scout
Not only is Rodgers athletic, he is driven to succeed. His background indicates that.
"He had so much success early in the year. I didn't think he would be able to see the field but he did a very good job going away from his No. 1 receiver. Then he got the big contract. Did he think he arrived when he got the contract? I don't know." – AFC scout
Before being handed millions, Rodgers' passer rating was 98.8 and the team was 4-3. Since then, his rating is 85.5 and the team is 1-6. Unless you've had a seven- eight-figure bank account, no one can say what it's like.
"They gave him all that money after how many weeks? Would you give it to him today? I'm not so sure outside of trying to prove what you did was right. He hasn't played up to that money right now." – NFC scout
No one knew what Rodgers would do this season. No one in the league was under greater scrutiny.
Everyone, including these scouts, is kidding themselves if they try to draw a bead on Rodgers. He will need at least 25 starts to start doing that.
Right now, he's No. 19. Could he become a top-10? Yes. Could he move among the top five? Maybe.
Grade point
Taking a look at how Rodgers rates
By Bob McGinn
Posted: Dec. 20, 2008
Chicago - At this point in his fledgling career, Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers rates as the 19th-best quarterback in the National Football League.
That was the conclusion last week in a survey of four executives in personnel for other NFL teams, including two from the AFC and two from the NFC. Each of them has been a scout in the NFL for at least 10 years.
Undoubtedly, some of the Packers' coaches and scouts would argue that Rodgers should be ranked higher. General manager Ted Thompson gave Rodgers a five-year extension worth $63.52 million in new money ($20 million guaranteed) after his seventh start, saying he didn't even need that long to make his evaluation.
If there was ever any doubt that Rodgers was Thompson's guy, there could be none after that statement.
Although the four personnel men have never coached Rodgers or worked for the Packers during Rodgers' four-year career, they are more than qualified to make such a judgment. Three work for teams that played Green Bay this season, meaning they had to break down many games of the Packers'. And, as a general rule, they scan through every NFL game every week.
To start, 21 backup quarterbacks with legitimate ability were identified to go with the other 31 starters. Then each of the scouts was asked whether they would take Rodgers in comparison to those 52 players. There were no qualifiers other than injured players were considered healthy; the scouts seemed to make their choices on the basis of winning now.
Twelve quarterbacks were chosen over Rodgers by a 4-0 vote: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Carson Palmer, Matt Ryan, Donovan McNabb, Philip Rivers and Kurt Warner.
Three were chosen over Rodgers by a 3-1 margin: Brett Favre, Jake Delhomme and Vince Young.
Three finished in a 2-2 tie with Rodgers: Jason Campbell, Chad Pennington and Jeff Garcia.
Nine finished behind Rodgers by a 3-1 margin: Joe Flacco, David Garrard, Matt Schaub, Trent Edwards, Kyle Orton, Matt Leinart, JaMarcus Russell, Sage Rosenfels and Daunte Culpepper.
Rodgers won by 4-0 over the other 25.
Two scouts ranked Rodgers No. 21, a third ranked him No. 20 and the fourth ranked him No. 14. The average was No. 19.
Entering the week, Rodgers was tied for eighth in passer rating at 91.8. His predecessor, Favre, ranked 15th at 86.5.
Here are excerpts from the interviews followed by my comment:
"It's hard to follow a legend. I think he's played well. He's not a rookie but he's not much more than a rookie, in my mind. He's shown a lot of ability. Mike (McCarthy) is a good offensive coach and is part of the reason Aaron's had success. I don't think he's the reason they're losing." - NFC scout
Based on Rodgers' first two training camps, it was beginning to look like he might turn out to be another Rich Campbell. He has come a long, long way.
"All those guys behind Favre moved on and had success. That's your measuring stick right there. Pretty good group." - NFC scout
Mark Brunell, Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks, even Ty Detmer had excellent careers based on where they were drafted. All learned from Favre, as did Rodgers.
"The biggest concern going in was the durability. He has managed to hang in and take some hits. He doesn't play as big as he is. His frame doesn't look like he's 218. Naturally, he's probably a 190 guy. I don't think there was ever a doubt on his toughness. It's just that he was so fragile." - AFC scout
This scout predicted in the second week of September that Rodgers wouldn't last more than eight games. Rodgers allayed some fears about his durability by playing through a sprained right shoulder. That was highly impressive.
"His arm is OK. It's good enough to make all the throws, but it's not anything special." - AFC scout
After evaluating Rodgers coming out of California, former St. Louis coach Mike Martz listed arm strength as his top concern, followed by the ability to read a defense, react and go through a progression. "I could be wrong about both," Martz said in December 2005. He probably was. With increased overall strength and a less rigid delivery, Rodgers now has a good arm.
"He hasn't given them the ability to get rid of the ball quick to help his protection." - NFC scout
Rodgers has been at fault for seven of the 30 sacks (23.3%). In 18 games last season, Favre was responsible for three of his 16 sacks (18.8%). Rodgers did hold the ball too long early; six of his seven were in the first nine games. He has been much better of late.
"He has some feel for escaping stuff. He has some ability to create. But he's not somebody that you're scared of when he pulls the ball down." - AFC scout
Rodgers has rushed 53 times for 214 yards, a 4.0-yard average, and four touchdowns. Favre's best rushing season was 1993 with 216 yards. Favre had 154 yards and one touchdown in his last five years.
"Best in the NFC North? Maybe. It's not even close to being etched in stone. You put him and (Kyle) Orton before he got hurt, their numbers were somewhat similar. And (Tarvaris) Jackson has really been looking good." - NFC scout
Agreed. Orton was doing a lot with a lesser supporting cast before his ankle injury. And Jackson does have a ton of ability.
"I don't know how much of a big-play guy he is. And I don't know that he can put stuff together when you need it as opposed to accumulating stats. To me, the key is whether a guy can go out and win a game. He hasn't done that. Even Favre, as a young guy, he'd (mess) stuff up, but when it came down to the end he'd find a way. Like Steve McNair, he may play awful but would make plays when they needed to win the game. Even Vince Young is 18-11 as a starter." - AFC scout
Rodgers had chances in the last few minutes to win six games: Tampa Bay, Tennessee, at Minnesota, Carolina, Houston and Jacksonville. He's 0-6. It's the big, black blot on his season.
"I just don't see him being able to take those guys and say, 'All right, we're going to score.' It's the intangible things you have to look at with this guy. And how many guys do you know just become a leader? They don't just become one." – NFC scout
The departures of Favre and Rob Davis left the Packers almost bankrupt of leadership. Rodgers is 25. Hard to say what he might be like at 28 or 30.
"He's got the confidence of a great player without being a great player. Aaron's a little bit like Jay Cutler, but Cutler's a (jerk). Aaron would be that cocky fraternity guy in college that you just want to smack upside the head sometimes." - AFC scout
Rodgers, with a 35 on the Wonderlic intelligence test, is the smartest guy in many rooms. In his first two seasons, he did come across as somewhat arrogant. But he learned from Favre what teammates want from their quarterback. Can Rodgers be hard to coach? Perhaps.
"The first two years it was questionable whether he'd ever play a snap in the league. I think he's maxed out. I just think whatever you have right now is what he will be. He may not lose games, which certainly isn't a bad thing, but I don't think they ever will win games because of him." - AFC scout
How many good NFL quarterbacks didn't have a Division I offer out of high school and had to play one year at a junior college? In October 2005, the late Bill Walsh echoed this when he said: "What you see is what you get. He doesn't have great more potential that doesn't show. He's part of a system and a real outstanding coach in college and all of that. I don't know where it's going to take him."
"I'm not sure there is a ceiling on him.&ensp.&ensp. outside of the intangible factors. I mean, he can do everything. Athletically? There's no ceiling. And he's only been a starter for one year." - NFC scout
Not only is Rodgers athletic, he is driven to succeed. His background indicates that.
"He had so much success early in the year. I didn't think he would be able to see the field but he did a very good job going away from his No. 1 receiver. Then he got the big contract. Did he think he arrived when he got the contract? I don't know." – AFC scout
Before being handed millions, Rodgers' passer rating was 98.8 and the team was 4-3. Since then, his rating is 85.5 and the team is 1-6. Unless you've had a seven- eight-figure bank account, no one can say what it's like.
"They gave him all that money after how many weeks? Would you give it to him today? I'm not so sure outside of trying to prove what you did was right. He hasn't played up to that money right now." – NFC scout
No one knew what Rodgers would do this season. No one in the league was under greater scrutiny.
Everyone, including these scouts, is kidding themselves if they try to draw a bead on Rodgers. He will need at least 25 starts to start doing that.
Right now, he's No. 19. Could he become a top-10? Yes. Could he move among the top five? Maybe.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
I missed Favre's 4th quarter comeback. How did he do it?
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
Please tell us you are kidding! There is NO WAY anyone in that organization regrets or wonders about the decsion. From the beginning it created a new buzz for Jets fans and excitement in New York. They were a 4 win team last year and Favre has been one of the additions to the team that helped them get to 9 wins and make this playoff run.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I should have used the sarcasm smiley with my comment.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
He has 9 TDa and 15 INTs since September. In that time Pennington has 15/6 . I'm pretty sure a case can be made.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
Not really. How does that measure the excitement he brought to New York or the renewed enthusiasm he brought to a team that really needed a boost!!!The Jets have improved to 9 wins from a 4 win season. The Favre haters don't want to try and start this arguement that the Jets would have been better off with Pennington again.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
It's pretty obvious.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
mlball77
Footballguy
I think Rodgers appears to be a middle of the road starting NFL QB right now... but he still could improve. Only time will tell.That said, the mere fact that some of these personnel execs are ranking guys like Rosenfels, Culpepper, Garcia, Leinart, Young etc. ahead of Rodgers has me scratching my head. I would waaaaaay rather Rodgers than any in this group as my QB this year and into the near future. Not to rip too much on these personnel execs, but I think this goes to show why so many NFL teams miss the boat on quality young players... their scouts and personnel execs are mediocre-at-best and inept in all likelihood.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Wow, you are pretty close minded, huh? It's is obvious that you are in here to scream the loudest, thinking that makes your opinion correct. Just because you want it to be so doesn't make it that way. Also, just because someone disagrees with you , that doesn't make them a Favre hater.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Miami has made a 9 game improvement. And they didn't add an All-Pro guard either.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
Funny, you and others don't seem to care the numerous other times other people do this...but oh boy do you all love to point out if I do it.Why do you care?This was off the first page and once again you had to bring it back.It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
Aaronstory
Footballguy
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
This is really going to get funny. Now the Favre haters want to point to Miami and claim Pennington is the reason they have improved yet Favre had nothing to do with the Jets improving to 9 wins and the Packers falling from 13 wins to just 5 without Favre.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
This is going to get funny. You seriously think that anybody is ... nevermind 
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Lucky for you Vikings fans that Rodgers is really awesome and going to win again tomorrow huh.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
How so?It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Oh yeah, Cowboys blew it again too.
His age is catching up to him.
TUNA!!
Sabertooth
Footballguy
It caught up to him in December last season as well.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Its not Favre hate...its seeing what Pennington is doing and what Favre has been doing recently.Perhaps Miami is just better...but lately, it should make people at least wonder.IMO, Im with you, Favre brought something the Jets needed...so I don't think they regret it...but not so sure he will be back.Greenie this morning pretty much said they have been horrible recently, including Favre (repeated the he looks old and tired right now).When asked if he wanted Favre or Mangini back...he thought both would not be back.Said of Favre, if he wants to come back for all the offseason stuff, he would be fine having him back...but if he wanted to wait until July, he did not want him back.Stinger Ray said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
First...Miami's defense has been very improved this year. Pennington is not that only reason. But he has played well for them.Second...where has anyone claimed Favre had nothing to do with the Jets improving? Please show me..Third...sure some of Favre's leadership may be missing...but he might be 10th on the top 10 reasons why GB has dropped to 5 wins so far this year. And, eventhough I know the reaction from a select few on this...how much did Favre elevate the play of his teammates with losses to San Fran, Seattle, and Oakland? How elevated were they to score just 3 points against Seattle? And to give Wallace all day to throw when Seattle pretty much did not have one of their normal starting Oline out there?NOTE: that last little bit about elevating play was a bit of a joke...but there is some truth to it. Favre is a great leader...but there is only so much he can do.Stinger Ray said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
I guess you would have to be a Packer fan and wondered each year if your QB was coming back to truly understand.Greenie and the other Jets fans are starting to figure it out too.zDragon said:How so?It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
How so? You just wrote this in another tread about what Greenberg said this morning.I guess you would have to be a Packer fan and wondered each year if your QB was coming back to truly understand.Greenie and the other Jets fans are starting to figure it out too.zDragon said:How so?It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
That doesn't seem to show Greenie has any problems at this point. I highly doubt Favre will draw this out this year and I think he announces his retirement shortly after the season ends and that will be it for him.
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hardcoredx
Footballguy
The Favre lovers on this board need to hang it up just like Favre. Rodgers is clearly better
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Did you listen to mike and mike this morning and Greenberg's clip?Saying if Brett wanted to do all the offseason stuff, he was fine with him coming back...but if he wanted to show up in July, he should probably just stay home.Id say they are realizing the will he or won't he thing is not so fun to go through and its nice knowing already who your QB is the next year.How so? The season isn't over.I guess you would have to be a Packer fan and wondered each year if your QB was coming back to truly understand.Greenie and the other Jets fans are starting to figure it out too.zDragon said:How so?It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
Yes, I did listen to him.That doesn't seem to show Greenie has any problems at this point with not knowing if Favre will be back. I highly doubt Favre will draw this out this year and I think he announces his retirement shortly after the season ends and that will be it for him.Did you listen to mike and mike this morning and Greenberg's clip?Saying if Brett wanted to do all the offseason stuff, he was fine with him coming back...but if he wanted to show up in July, he should probably just stay home.Id say they are realizing the will he or won't he thing is not so fun to go through and its nice knowing already who your QB is the next year.How so? The season isn't over.I guess you would have to be a Packer fan and wondered each year if your QB was coming back to truly understand.Greenie and the other Jets fans are starting to figure it out too.zDragon said:How so?It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
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Phurfur
Footballguy
It will be the first time in four years that GB knows who their starting QB will be next year. HTHzDragon said:How so?It was interesting to people who care about the Packers.And? Your point being?from McCarthy's presser after yesterday's practice...
