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How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (2 Viewers)

CletiusMaximus said:
Statistic: 2008 total (NFL Rank)

Passing Yards: 4,038 (4)

Completions: 341 (7)

Completion %: 65.6 (10)

Touchdowns: 28 (4)

QB Rating: 93.8 (6)

20-plus yd. completions: 48 (5T)

40-plus yd. completions: 16 (1T)

Third-down QB rating: 105.8 (3)

First downs passing: 182 (9T)

Win/Loss Record: 6-10
Yep, he really needs to work to not take so many holding calls. He also needs to improve his run blocking, tackling, and kicking.
Don't even respond to a fishing trip.Rodgers is an above average starting qb in the NFL in hsi first year as a starter. He is 25 and will only get better.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Statistic: 2008 total (NFL Rank)

Passing Yards: 4,038 (4)

Completions: 341 (7)

Completion %: 65.6 (10)

Touchdowns: 28 (4)

QB Rating: 93.8 (6)

20-plus yd. completions: 48 (5T)

40-plus yd. completions: 16 (1T)

Third-down QB rating: 105.8 (3)

First downs passing: 182 (9T)

Win/Loss Record: 6-10

Come back victories: 0-8
Yep, he really needs to work to not take so many holding calls. He also needs to improve his run blocking, tackling, and kicking.
Sorry, I amended the quote.
 
The California product took care of the ball as well, throwing 13 interceptions in 536 attempts, 2.42% of his throws. It was the lowest percentage by a Packers quarterback in over a decade (Favre, 1996, 2.39%).

- And perhaps most importantly in Green Bay, Rodgers started all 16 games in 2008, fighting through a serious shoulder injury suffered in Week 4 at Tampa that kept him out of practice for one month.

These are the two most important facts that I like about Rodgers.

To keep the ball in the hands of the offense and not just giving it up shows that he understands what he needs to do. Staying healthy all season should start to shake the injury prone label he had, even though he played with a broken foot agains the Pats at one time.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Statistic: 2008 total (NFL Rank)

Passing Yards: 4,038 (4)

Completions: 341 (7)

Completion %: 65.6 (10)

Touchdowns: 28 (4)

QB Rating: 93.8 (6)

20-plus yd. completions: 48 (5T)

40-plus yd. completions: 16 (1T)

Third-down QB rating: 105.8 (3)

First downs passing: 182 (9T)

Win/Loss Record: 6-10

Come back victories: 0-8
Yep, he really needs to work to not take so many holding calls. He also needs to improve his run blocking, tackling, and kicking.
Sorry, I amended the quote.
And yet Favre gets one for his "Comeback" against the Bills.Rodgers put his team in position to win many of those games.

 
Obviously the question posed by this thread was conclusively answered long ago, but I was reminded of it when reading this infuriating quote in Peter King's colum today:

"Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted''
Does any Packer fan still want to defend this child or suggest that he actually wanted to play for the Packers last summer? I have always claimed that I would be in attendance at Lambeau, standing and applauding, when they put #4 up on the wall next to 3, 14, 15, 66 and 92, but as of today that has changed and I don't want to even see that number associated with these Packer greats.
 
Statistic: 2008 total (NFL Rank)

Passing Yards: 4,038 (4)

Completions: 341 (7)

Completion %: 65.6 (10)

Touchdowns: 28 (4)

QB Rating: 93.8 (6)

20-plus yd. completions: 48 (5T)

40-plus yd. completions: 16 (1T)

Third-down QB rating: 105.8 (3)

First downs passing: 182 (9T)

Win/Loss Record: 6-10

Come back victories: 0-8
Yep, he really needs to work to not take so many holding calls. He also needs to improve his run blocking, tackling, and kicking.
Sorry, I amended the quote
Would be curious to see how these numbers compare to Favre's in his first year as a starter....
 
Sticking it to Ted by giving him more 3rd round draft picks, which he will use on busts, leading to his firing? Ah, Brett, your ridiculously circuitous plan is impressive.

 
Obviously the question posed by this thread was conclusively answered long ago, but I was reminded of it when reading this infuriating quote in Peter King's colum today:

"Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted''
Does any Packer fan still want to defend this child or suggest that he actually wanted to play for the Packers last summer? I have always claimed that I would be in attendance at Lambeau, standing and applauding, when they put #4 up on the wall next to 3, 14, 15, 66 and 92, but as of today that has changed and I don't want to even see that number associated with these Packer greats.
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back. That is what made Favre upset and led to his desire to play for another team so he could stick it to TT. He got run out of Green Bay. Both sides didn't handle the situation well and it's too bad it had to end like it did.
 
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Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore. It never made sense to me last summer based on his actions at the time, and now he has confirmed that he did not want to play for the Packers last season. What's worse, his massive ego-driven vindictiveness that dates back to the day Rodgers was drafted allowed him to pursue a strategy of deliberately undermining his teamates and fans to further his own petty personal agenda.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore.
Yes it does. When Favre was reinstated and flew back to Green Bay he thought he would be playing for the Packers. Steve Mariucci confirmed this based on coversations he had with Favre during this time. Mariucci even stated Favre was excited to be headed to Green Bay. From there things went downhill and Favre decided to try and stick it to TT.You Favre bashers might want to take some of the advice you want to give him that it is time to move on and get over what happened.
 
Statistic: 2008 total (NFL Rank)

Passing Yards: 4,038 (4)

Completions: 341 (7)

Completion %: 65.6 (10)

Touchdowns: 28 (4)

QB Rating: 93.8 (6)

20-plus yd. completions: 48 (5T)

40-plus yd. completions: 16 (1T)

Third-down QB rating: 105.8 (3)

First downs passing: 182 (9T)

Win/Loss Record: 6-10

Come back victories: 0-8
Yep, he really needs to work to not take so many holding calls. He also needs to improve his run blocking, tackling, and kicking.
Sorry, I amended the quote.
And yet Favre gets one for his "Comeback" against the Bills.Rodgers put his team in position to win many of those games.
Didn't Rodgers have 2 fourth quarter come from behind victories? Granted they were both against the Lions, but he did have 2 by the definition of that stat. Then there were 2 missed FGs that cost him 2 more. Basically what we're looking at is this. In order for 1st year QB Aaron Rodgers to "win" enough games to win the NFC Central, he'd have needed something close to 4300-4400 yards, 32 TDs and single digit INTs (since several of his INTs were late in the 4th quarter when trying to come back from yet another defensive meltdown). That's about what his numbers would have had to have been to complete the 4 comeback drives he would have needed to finish it 10-6. That's a rediculous expectation of any QB, must less a first year starter.

 
Didn't Rodgers have 2 fourth quarter come from behind victories? Granted they were both against the Lions, but he did have 2 by the definition of that stat. Then there were 2 missed FGs that cost him 2 more. Basically what we're looking at is this. In order for 1st year QB Aaron Rodgers to "win" enough games to win the NFC Central, he'd have needed something close to 4300-4400 yards, 32 TDs and single digit INTs (since several of his INTs were late in the 4th quarter when trying to come back from yet another defensive meltdown). That's about what his numbers would have had to have been to complete the 4 comeback drives he would have needed to finish it 10-6. That's a rediculous expectation of any QB, must less a first year starter.
There wre other times when he brought them back but the defense didn't hold. And still more when they didn't hold and he couldn't win at the end.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore.
Yes it does. When Favre was reinstated and flew back to Green Bay he thought he would be playing for the Packers. Steve Mariucci confirmed this based on coversations he had with Favre during this time. Mariucci even stated Favre was excited to be headed to Green Bay. From there things went downhill and Favre decided to try and stick it to TT.You Favre bashers might want to take some of the advice you want to give him that it is time to move on and get over what happened.
Favre flew back on family night and was banned from the locker room. Do you really think he was planning on playing for GB? Come on!
 
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CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore.
Yes it does. When Favre was reinstated and flew back to Green Bay he thought he would be playing for the Packers. Steve Mariucci confirmed this based on coversations he had with Favre during this time. Mariucci even stated Favre was excited to be headed to Green Bay. From there things went downhill and Favre decided to try and stick it to TT.You Favre bashers might want to take some of the advice you want to give him that it is time to move on and get over what happened.
Favre flew back on family night and was banned from the locker room. Do you really think he was planning on playing for GB? Come on!
Yes...based on what Steve Mariucci said. And you can tell the Packers had no intention of having him play for them.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore. It never made sense to me last summer based on his actions at the time, and now he has confirmed that he did not want to play for the Packers last season. What's worse, his massive ego-driven vindictiveness that dates back to the day Rodgers was drafted allowed him to pursue a strategy of deliberately undermining his teamates and fans to further his own petty personal agenda.
This is right on. Tha fact that Favre basically came out and said all the bad blood with Thompson started because he drafted Rodgers? That makes no sense. Childish is the best way to describe it.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore. It never made sense to me last summer based on his actions at the time, and now he has confirmed that he did not want to play for the Packers last season. What's worse, his massive ego-driven vindictiveness that dates back to the day Rodgers was drafted allowed him to pursue a strategy of deliberately undermining his teamates and fans to further his own petty personal agenda.
This is right on. Tha fact that Favre basically came out and said all the bad blood with Thompson started because he drafted Rodgers? That makes no sense. Childish is the best way to describe it.
I know you guys have a lot of issues with Favre and can't move on just like Favre is acting. However you are all fooling yourselves if you think he wanted to stick it to Ted and not play for the Packers. He wanted to play for them in 2008 initially. Once it got very ugly in early late in that mess is when Favre made the decision to to play for another team.Also, I'd like to read the link where Favre started the bad blood started when TT drafted Rodgers. Favre is acting childish just like his detractors that can't get over it.

Favre entered the summer wanting to play for the Packers but as the summer went on he had his belief that he wasn't wanted back confirmed. Even Peter King wrote....

Let's go back to my visit to Favre's Mississippi house late last July, when it was apparent he wanted to play for one team and one team only -- Minnesota -- after he became convinced the Packers wouldn't give him his job back,

Based on what Steve Mariucci said, Favre did think there was some hope when he was reinstated that he'd play for the Packers. It took a 6 hour meeting with McCarthy and being banned by the team to enter the locker room for Favre to realize that was it.

 
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CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore. It never made sense to me last summer based on his actions at the time, and now he has confirmed that he did not want to play for the Packers last season. What's worse, his massive ego-driven vindictiveness that dates back to the day Rodgers was drafted allowed him to pursue a strategy of deliberately undermining his teamates and fans to further his own petty personal agenda.
Stinger Ray - Stay down! For the love of God man, stay down!
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore. It never made sense to me last summer based on his actions at the time, and now he has confirmed that he did not want to play for the Packers last season. What's worse, his massive ego-driven vindictiveness that dates back to the day Rodgers was drafted allowed him to pursue a strategy of deliberately undermining his teamates and fans to further his own petty personal agenda.
This is right on. Tha fact that Favre basically came out and said all the bad blood with Thompson started because he drafted Rodgers? That makes no sense. Childish is the best way to describe it.
I know you guys have a lot of issues with Favre and can't move on just like Favre is acting. However you are all fooling yourselves if you think he wanted to stick it to Ted and not play for the Packers. He wanted to play for them in 2008 initially. Once it got very ugly in early late in that mess is when Favre made the decision to to play for another team.Also, I'd like to read the link where Favre started the bad blood started when TT drafted Rodgers. Favre is acting childish just like his detractors that can't get over it.
"Werder told ESPNews that Favre has a personal issue with Thompson."I think this was a very personal sense of animosity he felt toward one person in the Green Bay organization, and that was Green Bay GM Ted Thompson," Werder said.

"His first move when he took over the management of the franchise was not to get Brett Favre more help on offense, but to draft his successor, Aaron Rodgers, with the very first pick. I don't think Brett really ever forgave him for that."

Mortensen said the bad feelings Favre has for Thompson will take some time to heal."

Link

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore.
Yes it does. When Favre was reinstated and flew back to Green Bay he thought he would be playing for the Packers. Steve Mariucci confirmed this based on coversations he had with Favre during this time. Mariucci even stated Favre was excited to be headed to Green Bay. From there things went downhill and Favre decided to try and stick it to TT.You Favre bashers might want to take some of the advice you want to give him that it is time to move on and get over what happened.
Are you suggesting that when Favre flew to Green Bay during training camp last summer he was excited to play football for the Packers and Ted Thompson, but only after the events of that week in Green Bay did he develop his desire to "stick it to Ted"? I don't think that makes sense, unless you decide that he simply misspoke when he said, "Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted''.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore. It never made sense to me last summer based on his actions at the time, and now he has confirmed that he did not want to play for the Packers last season. What's worse, his massive ego-driven vindictiveness that dates back to the day Rodgers was drafted allowed him to pursue a strategy of deliberately undermining his teamates and fans to further his own petty personal agenda.
This is right on. Tha fact that Favre basically came out and said all the bad blood with Thompson started because he drafted Rodgers? That makes no sense. Childish is the best way to describe it.
I know you guys have a lot of issues with Favre and can't move on just like Favre is acting. However you are all fooling yourselves if you think he wanted to stick it to Ted and not play for the Packers. He wanted to play for them in 2008 initially. Once it got very ugly in early late in that mess is when Favre made the decision to to play for another team.Also, I'd like to read the link where Favre started the bad blood started when TT drafted Rodgers. Favre is acting childish just like his detractors that can't get over it.
"Werder told ESPNews that Favre has a personal issue with Thompson."I think this was a very personal sense of animosity he felt toward one person in the Green Bay organization, and that was Green Bay GM Ted Thompson," Werder said.

"His first move when he took over the management of the franchise was not to get Brett Favre more help on offense, but to draft his successor, Aaron Rodgers, with the very first pick. I don't think Brett really ever forgave him for that."

Mortensen said the bad feelings Favre has for Thompson will take some time to heal."

Link
Thanks
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore.
Yes it does. When Favre was reinstated and flew back to Green Bay he thought he would be playing for the Packers. Steve Mariucci confirmed this based on coversations he had with Favre during this time. Mariucci even stated Favre was excited to be headed to Green Bay. From there things went downhill and Favre decided to try and stick it to TT.You Favre bashers might want to take some of the advice you want to give him that it is time to move on and get over what happened.
Are you suggesting that when Favre flew to Green Bay during training camp last summer he was excited to play football for the Packers and Ted Thompson, but only after the events of that week in Green Bay did he develop his desire to "stick it to Ted"? I don't think that makes sense, unless you decide that he simply misspoke when he said, "Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted''.
Your point is that Favre didn't have any intention of playing for the Packers last summer. That isn't true. He did want to play for the Packers until he finally realized they DID NOT WANT HIM BACK!Here is what Peter King wrote....

"Let's go back to my visit to Favre's Mississippi house late last July, when it was apparent he wanted to play for one team and one team only -- Minnesota -- after he became convinced the Packers wouldn't give him his job back,"

or how about the time in June when he called McCarthy and stated he wanted to come back?

"Favre called McCarthy on June 20 and told him that he wanted to come back.

"When he picked up the phone again after he dropped it, he said, 'Oh, God, Brett. You're putting us in a

tight spot,'" Favre said. "He said, 'Brett, playing here is not an option.' Those were his exact, exact words"

That seems to me that Favre did want to come back and play for the Packers.

 
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CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore.
Yes it does. When Favre was reinstated and flew back to Green Bay he thought he would be playing for the Packers. Steve Mariucci confirmed this based on coversations he had with Favre during this time. Mariucci even stated Favre was excited to be headed to Green Bay. From there things went downhill and Favre decided to try and stick it to TT.You Favre bashers might want to take some of the advice you want to give him that it is time to move on and get over what happened.
Are you suggesting that when Favre flew to Green Bay during training camp last summer he was excited to play football for the Packers and Ted Thompson, but only after the events of that week in Green Bay did he develop his desire to "stick it to Ted"? I don't think that makes sense, unless you decide that he simply misspoke when he said, "Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted''.
Your point is that Favre didn't have any intention of playing for the Packers last summer. That isn't true. He did want to play for the Packers until he finally realized they DID NOT WANT HIM BACK!Here is what Peter King wrote....

"Let's go back to my visit to Favre's Mississippi house late last July, when it was apparent he wanted to play for one team and one team only -- Minnesota -- after he became convinced the Packers wouldn't give him his job back,"

or how about the time in June when he called McCarthy and stated he wanted to come back?

"Favre called McCarthy on June 20 and told him that he wanted to come back.

"When he picked up the phone again after he dropped it, he said, 'Oh, God, Brett. You're putting us in a

tight spot,'" Favre said. "He said, 'Brett, playing here is not an option.' Those were his exact, exact words"

That seems to me that Favre did want to come back and play for the Packers.
If we assume all this is completely correct and accurately describes what took place, my point remains - when Favre flew to Green Bay in August, his goal was not to play for the Packers but to "stick it to Ted" - which he certainly accomplished in part by disrupting the entire training camp and creating a massive distraction for coaches, players and senior management at a crucial time when it was the last thing they needed.The only way I could fully, honestly support his number being retired at Lambeau Field is if he comes back someday and apologizes for his actions and asks for forgiveness from the fans. I understand that his name will go up on the "ring of honor" automatically when he makes the NFL HOF, but retiring of a jersey number is the highest honor the Packers can give a former player - there have been only 5 so far in their entire history.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore.
Yes it does. When Favre was reinstated and flew back to Green Bay he thought he would be playing for the Packers. Steve Mariucci confirmed this based on coversations he had with Favre during this time. Mariucci even stated Favre was excited to be headed to Green Bay. From there things went downhill and Favre decided to try and stick it to TT.You Favre bashers might want to take some of the advice you want to give him that it is time to move on and get over what happened.
Are you suggesting that when Favre flew to Green Bay during training camp last summer he was excited to play football for the Packers and Ted Thompson, but only after the events of that week in Green Bay did he develop his desire to "stick it to Ted"? I don't think that makes sense, unless you decide that he simply misspoke when he said, "Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted''.
Your point is that Favre didn't have any intention of playing for the Packers last summer. That isn't true. He did want to play for the Packers until he finally realized they DID NOT WANT HIM BACK!Here is what Peter King wrote....

"Let's go back to my visit to Favre's Mississippi house late last July, when it was apparent he wanted to play for one team and one team only -- Minnesota -- after he became convinced the Packers wouldn't give him his job back,"

or how about the time in June when he called McCarthy and stated he wanted to come back?

"Favre called McCarthy on June 20 and told him that he wanted to come back.

"When he picked up the phone again after he dropped it, he said, 'Oh, God, Brett. You're putting us in a

tight spot,'" Favre said. "He said, 'Brett, playing here is not an option.' Those were his exact, exact words"

That seems to me that Favre did want to come back and play for the Packers.
If we assume all this is completely correct and accurately describes what took place, my point remains - when Favre flew to Green Bay in August, his goal was not to play for the Packers but to "stick it to Ted" - which he certainly accomplished in part by disrupting the entire training camp and creating a massive distraction for coaches, players and senior management at a crucial time when it was the last thing they needed.The only way I could fully, honestly support his number being retired at Lambeau Field is if he comes back someday and apologizes for his actions and asks for forgiveness from the fans. I understand that his name will go up on the "ring of honor" automatically when he makes the NFL HOF, but retiring of a jersey number is the highest honor the Packers can give a former player - there have been only 5 so far in their entire history.
:shrug:
 
The only way I could fully, honestly support his number being retired at Lambeau Field is if he comes back someday and apologizes for his actions and asks for forgiveness from the fans. I understand that his name will go up on the "ring of honor" automatically when he makes the NFL HOF, but retiring of a jersey number is the highest honor the Packers can give a former player - there have been only 5 so far in their entire history.
:shrug: :shrug:
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore.
Yes it does. When Favre was reinstated and flew back to Green Bay he thought he would be playing for the Packers. Steve Mariucci confirmed this based on coversations he had with Favre during this time. Mariucci even stated Favre was excited to be headed to Green Bay. From there things went downhill and Favre decided to try and stick it to TT.You Favre bashers might want to take some of the advice you want to give him that it is time to move on and get over what happened.
Are you suggesting that when Favre flew to Green Bay during training camp last summer he was excited to play football for the Packers and Ted Thompson, but only after the events of that week in Green Bay did he develop his desire to "stick it to Ted"? I don't think that makes sense, unless you decide that he simply misspoke when he said, "Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted''.
Your point is that Favre didn't have any intention of playing for the Packers last summer. That isn't true. He did want to play for the Packers until he finally realized they DID NOT WANT HIM BACK!Here is what Peter King wrote....

"Let's go back to my visit to Favre's Mississippi house late last July, when it was apparent he wanted to play for one team and one team only -- Minnesota -- after he became convinced the Packers wouldn't give him his job back,"

or how about the time in June when he called McCarthy and stated he wanted to come back?

"Favre called McCarthy on June 20 and told him that he wanted to come back.

"When he picked up the phone again after he dropped it, he said, 'Oh, God, Brett. You're putting us in a

tight spot,'" Favre said. "He said, 'Brett, playing here is not an option.' Those were his exact, exact words"

That seems to me that Favre did want to come back and play for the Packers.
If we assume all this is completely correct and accurately describes what took place, my point remains - when Favre flew to Green Bay in August, his goal was not to play for the Packers but to "stick it to Ted" - which he certainly accomplished in part by disrupting the entire training camp and creating a massive distraction for coaches, players and senior management at a crucial time when it was the last thing they needed.The only way I could fully, honestly support his number being retired at Lambeau Field is if he comes back someday and apologizes for his actions and asks for forgiveness from the fans. I understand that his name will go up on the "ring of honor" automatically when he makes the NFL HOF, but retiring of a jersey number is the highest honor the Packers can give a former player - there have been only 5 so far in their entire history.
And you think Favre is acting childish? :homer:
 
"His first move when he took over the management of the franchise was not to get Brett Favre more help on offense, but to draft his successor, Aaron Rodgers, with the very first pick. I don't think Brett really ever forgave him for that."
Every draft pick is someone's replacement. I don't hear anyone else saying I'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU, MISTER GM.Or for that matter Thompson saying of Favre's performance "I'll never forgive you for not winning the 2007 title game."
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore. It never made sense to me last summer based on his actions at the time, and now he has confirmed that he did not want to play for the Packers last season. What's worse, his massive ego-driven vindictiveness that dates back to the day Rodgers was drafted allowed him to pursue a strategy of deliberately undermining his teamates and fans to further his own petty personal agenda.
Speaking of undermining Packer teammates and Packer fans, didn't Favre contact the Lions in-season last year and try to help them with insider info about the Packers?I don't see how any Favre fan reconciles themselves with that.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore.
Yes it does. When Favre was reinstated and flew back to Green Bay he thought he would be playing for the Packers. Steve Mariucci confirmed this based on coversations he had with Favre during this time. Mariucci even stated Favre was excited to be headed to Green Bay. From there things went downhill and Favre decided to try and stick it to TT.You Favre bashers might want to take some of the advice you want to give him that it is time to move on and get over what happened.
Are you suggesting that when Favre flew to Green Bay during training camp last summer he was excited to play football for the Packers and Ted Thompson, but only after the events of that week in Green Bay did he develop his desire to "stick it to Ted"? I don't think that makes sense, unless you decide that he simply misspoke when he said, "Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted''.
Your point is that Favre didn't have any intention of playing for the Packers last summer. That isn't true. He did want to play for the Packers until he finally realized they DID NOT WANT HIM BACK!Here is what Peter King wrote....

"Let's go back to my visit to Favre's Mississippi house late last July, when it was apparent he wanted to play for one team and one team only -- Minnesota -- after he became convinced the Packers wouldn't give him his job back,"

or how about the time in June when he called McCarthy and stated he wanted to come back?

"Favre called McCarthy on June 20 and told him that he wanted to come back.

"When he picked up the phone again after he dropped it, he said, 'Oh, God, Brett. You're putting us in a

tight spot,'" Favre said. "He said, 'Brett, playing here is not an option.' Those were his exact, exact words"

That seems to me that Favre did want to come back and play for the Packers.
If we assume all this is completely correct and accurately describes what took place, my point remains - when Favre flew to Green Bay in August, his goal was not to play for the Packers but to "stick it to Ted" - which he certainly accomplished in part by disrupting the entire training camp and creating a massive distraction for coaches, players and senior management at a crucial time when it was the last thing they needed.The only way I could fully, honestly support his number being retired at Lambeau Field is if he comes back someday and apologizes for his actions and asks for forgiveness from the fans. I understand that his name will go up on the "ring of honor" automatically when he makes the NFL HOF, but retiring of a jersey number is the highest honor the Packers can give a former player - there have been only 5 so far in their entire history.
And you think Favre is acting childish? :kicksrock:
I'm just noting that I changed my mind today due to this quote I read. I think Thompson worked very hard last year to prevent this from happening, but the legacy is now severly damaged. I was happy to just move forward and write it off to mistakes being made by both sides, miscommunications, water under the bridge, etc., but that has changed somewhat now as a result of this.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore. It never made sense to me last summer based on his actions at the time, and now he has confirmed that he did not want to play for the Packers last season. What's worse, his massive ego-driven vindictiveness that dates back to the day Rodgers was drafted allowed him to pursue a strategy of deliberately undermining his teamates and fans to further his own petty personal agenda.
Speaking of undermining Packer teammates and Packer fans, didn't Favre contact the Lions in-season last year and try to help them with insider info about the Packers?I don't see how any Favre fan reconciles themselves with that.
:confused: :bag:
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore. It never made sense to me last summer based on his actions at the time, and now he has confirmed that he did not want to play for the Packers last season. What's worse, his massive ego-driven vindictiveness that dates back to the day Rodgers was drafted allowed him to pursue a strategy of deliberately undermining his teamates and fans to further his own petty personal agenda.
Speaking of undermining Packer teammates and Packer fans, didn't Favre contact the Lions in-season last year and try to help them with insider info about the Packers?I don't see how any Favre fan reconciles themselves with that.
:blush: :rolleyes:
“I stand by my story 1000 percent,” Glazer told The Associated Press. “I guess Brett and I will just agree to disagree on certain things. The way I do my work, I don’t go on what just one person told me. I investigated this fully and for quite some time. I spoke with several sources, and when I go with something, I make sure it’s dead-on. I think my track record speaks for itself.”
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Obviously the question posed by this thread was conclusively answered long ago, but I was reminded of it when reading this infuriating quote in Peter King's colum today:

"Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted''
Does any Packer fan still want to defend this child or suggest that he actually wanted to play for the Packers last summer? I have always claimed that I would be in attendance at Lambeau, standing and applauding, when they put #4 up on the wall next to 3, 14, 15, 66 and 92, but as of today that has changed and I don't want to even see that number associated with these Packer greats.
Meh...his name should be associated with those greats as he did great things on the field and off for this team.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore. It never made sense to me last summer based on his actions at the time, and now he has confirmed that he did not want to play for the Packers last season. What's worse, his massive ego-driven vindictiveness that dates back to the day Rodgers was drafted allowed him to pursue a strategy of deliberately undermining his teamates and fans to further his own petty personal agenda.
Speaking of undermining Packer teammates and Packer fans, didn't Favre contact the Lions in-season last year and try to help them with insider info about the Packers?I don't see how any Favre fan reconciles themselves with that.
Because we have common sense. Something many of the haters don't.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore. It never made sense to me last summer based on his actions at the time, and now he has confirmed that he did not want to play for the Packers last season. What's worse, his massive ego-driven vindictiveness that dates back to the day Rodgers was drafted allowed him to pursue a strategy of deliberately undermining his teamates and fans to further his own petty personal agenda.
Speaking of undermining Packer teammates and Packer fans, didn't Favre contact the Lions in-season last year and try to help them with insider info about the Packers?I don't see how any Favre fan reconciles themselves with that.
Because we have common sense. Something many of the haters don't.
So you think Jason's comment in the other thread was just about that one?"Let's keep the discussion to the news and your thoughts on it, and stop the pointless back and forth"Funny, you gave someone a :blackdot: after I had responded before seeing Jason's comment. Now here you are, doing the pointless back and forth.As for people having common sense...both sides are lacking it at times.
 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stinger Ray said:
Favre did want to play for the Packers but got pissed when the team told him if he came back he would have to fight for the job even though they had no intentions of having him back.
This view doesn't make sense anymore. It never made sense to me last summer based on his actions at the time, and now he has confirmed that he did not want to play for the Packers last season. What's worse, his massive ego-driven vindictiveness that dates back to the day Rodgers was drafted allowed him to pursue a strategy of deliberately undermining his teamates and fans to further his own petty personal agenda.
Speaking of undermining Packer teammates and Packer fans, didn't Favre contact the Lions in-season last year and try to help them with insider info about the Packers?I don't see how any Favre fan reconciles themselves with that.
Because we have common sense. Something many of the haters don't.
So you think Jason's comment in the other thread was just about that one?"Let's keep the discussion to the news and your thoughts on it, and stop the pointless back and forth"Funny, you gave someone a :goodposting: after I had responded before seeing Jason's comment. Now here you are, doing the pointless back and forth.As for people having common sense...both sides are lacking it at times.
You are one tightly wound person.
 
Or I just know how to find blatant hypocrisy.

As for this thread.

Favre played well to start, fizzled and ended up retired again.

Rodgers played well most of the year, struggled at some points.

In the end, the decision looks like the right one.

Not done the best as far as how it came about, but in the end, the right decision.

 
sho nuff said:
Or I just know how to find blatant hypocrisy.
Good point....you did a great job when you first stated there was no circus regarding Favre this year to then trying to make the case that it was a circus. :goodposting:Now.....you will make sure you get the last word in. :goodposting:
 
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In the end, the decision looks like the right one.Not done the best as far as how it came about, but in the end, the right decision.
Is this point even in dispute anymore? We can argue about how it was handled. Who was right and who was wrong. We'll never know everything that was said and done, so people will believe what they want to believe. But we should all be able to agree at this point that they were right to move on with Rodgers, especially now that we have the benifit of hindsight.
 
sho nuff said:
In the end, the decision looks like the right one.Not done the best as far as how it came about, but in the end, the right decision.
Is this point even in dispute anymore? We can argue about how it was handled. Who was right and who was wrong. We'll never know everything that was said and done, so people will believe what they want to believe. But we should all be able to agree at this point that they were right to move on with Rodgers, especially now that we have the benifit of hindsight.
Most can...some will still hang on thinking that Favre could have delivered more this season.
 
I lost track of this thread many pages ago so I'm probably repeating something that's already been said, BUT...

I think this situation is a great example of how important it is for NFL franchises to have a longer time horizon than the fans. We, as fans, want to win now, and don't care about the next year. We really don't. If we could get the NFL to lift the cap permanently and force our owners to spend every $1 of their net worth on signing and trading for the upcoming season, we would argue for it.

Halfway through the 2008 season, the Favre/Rodgers decision looked tenuous. The Jets were the toast of the AFC while the Packers were among the few NFC teams pretty much slipping out of contention.

Yet, fast forward to today and, to me, I would much rather be in the Packers shoes. The Jets don't have a QB, suffered a PR gaffe, replaced their coach [who was the toast himself not long before], and are on as uncertain terms offensively as any team in their conference. Meanwhile the Packers have a young QB that put up solid numbers for the most part and should improve further given his age/experience provided the team keeps his OL stout.

It's times like these when I'm reminded of how easy it is to be a fan judging things in the moment, and how unbelievably difficult it is to be a CONSISTENTLY good general manager.

 
I lost track of this thread many pages ago so I'm probably repeating something that's already been said, BUT...I think this situation is a great example of how important it is for NFL franchises to have a longer time horizon than the fans. We, as fans, want to win now, and don't care about the next year. We really don't. If we could get the NFL to lift the cap permanently and force our owners to spend every $1 of their net worth on signing and trading for the upcoming season, we would argue for it.Halfway through the 2008 season, the Favre/Rodgers decision looked tenuous. The Jets were the toast of the AFC while the Packers were among the few NFC teams pretty much slipping out of contention. Yet, fast forward to today and, to me, I would much rather be in the Packers shoes. The Jets don't have a QB, suffered a PR gaffe, replaced their coach [who was the toast himself not long before], and are on as uncertain terms offensively as any team in their conference. Meanwhile the Packers have a young QB that put up solid numbers for the most part and should improve further given his age/experience provided the team keeps his OL stout.It's times like these when I'm reminded of how easy it is to be a fan judging things in the moment, and how unbelievably difficult it is to be a CONSISTENTLY good general manager.
:goodposting: I said all along with this the decision was not just about 2008. It could have been handled differently for sure. And there is still a lot of work to be done in GB. But Rodgers appears to have them set pretty well at QB for some time.
 
Farve leaving to play with NY is kind of sad. It reminds me of Emmitt Smith, the NFL rushing champ leaving Dalls to play with Arizona at the end of his career.

I can remember thinking I didn't mind that much, but it's always bothered me. I'm proud that guys like Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin and Moose Johnson finished their careers with the Cowboys. I wish the Cowboys and Emmitt would have just found a way to get whatever deal done back then and had Emmitt finish as a Cowboy.

No, it probably wasn't economic for the team but looking back on it....did that really matter?

You can never say that Brett Farve was just a Packer and to me, that's kind of a big deal. I'm glad Troy Aikman didn't end up on the Lions or the Chiefs or wherever.

 
Just wanted to post that if you did not see all of the Packer games last year then you didn't see Rodgers just miss on probably 10-15 deep balls where Jennings or Driver were wide open and would have scored with a better throw.. These are things he's going to learn. Things he will defintely get better at, and the TDs that he'll be throwing within 2 years or so.

 
Just wanted to post that if you did not see all of the Packer games last year then you didn't see Rodgers just miss on probably 10-15 deep balls where Jennings or Driver were wide open and would have scored with a better throw.. These are things he's going to learn. Things he will defintely get better at, and the TDs that he'll be throwing within 2 years or so.
Yup...he missed some for sure.Sometimes it seems he has a problem trying to gun one in on a deep throw even where a little touch will let the WR go get it. Almost too concerned to lay a floater up and have it knocked away or picked off (even if that chance is slim).And also not sure how much of that was McCarthy wanting him to be more careful with the ball than Favre was. Who knows.
 
We can go ahead and lock this thread. Rodgers is already better than Favre ever DREAMED of being.

He is in total control of this offense and doesn't make mistakes. Future Hall of Famer for sure.

I'd be giddy were I a Packers fan. :rolleyes:

 
143, 146 passer rating in consecutive games and not sacked once. sure its only preseason, but this team is the new colts of old. hes quite simply a more prolific version of steve young and i love every second of it.

oh and jermichael finley will be a monster this year as a result

 

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