How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (2 Viewers)

[Willy]

Stop thread.

 

[sho nuff]

The thing that gets me in all of this is the Packers fans who have turned on Favre. He's still one of my favorite players ever to play the game, and I went out of my way to get tickets to the Pats/Vikes game earlier this year to get one last chance to see him. I used to buy into the notion that the Green Bay contingent was special - that there was some kind of loyal fanbase who bought shares in the team and sold out the stadium in the freezing cold despite their tiny market and was part of the lore of the NFL. Now I look at them as just one more group of jaded fans who will turn on the greatest player in franchise history and talk about him like just another former player in the era of free agency. This is easily the uncoolest response by a fanbase that I can remember to any event in sports in my lifetime.

Well...we are a loyal bunch.To the Green Bay Packers.Ive learned long ago that loyalty just to players is overrated.Players will come and go. But the Packers will always be the Packers and that is who I am the biggest fan of.

 

[DiStefano]

Favre isn't the only prima donna in this thread.

 

[Sudsy]

The thing that gets me in all of this is the Packers fans who have turned on Favre. He's still one of my favorite players ever to play the game, and I went out of my way to get tickets to the Pats/Vikes game earlier this year to get one last chance to see him. I used to buy into the notion that the Green Bay contingent was special - that there was some kind of loyal fanbase who bought shares in the team and sold out the stadium in the freezing cold despite their tiny market and was part of the lore of the NFL. Now I look at them as just one more group of jaded fans who will turn on the greatest player in franchise history and talk about him like just another former player in the era of free agency. This is easily the uncoolest response by a fanbase that I can remember to any event in sports in my lifetime.

Starr

Nitscke

Gregg

Wood

Hornung

Hudson

Taylor

Robinson

.... too lengthy a list to put them all down.

Lots of HOF'ers in Packer history. Many with more championships. As for me I will decide for myself who the greatest Packer was rather than being told by another. As for other Packer fans, like most fans they are loyal to those who gave their all to the team. In the end Favre gave his all to Favre, not the team. Lots of Packer Fans have personal favorites that will never see the HOF, but they are loved because of what they gave to the team. Those players recieve inordinant support from the Packer community. Me, I have a special place in my memory for Doug Hart, Herb Aderley, John Brockington, Mad Dog Douglas, Sterling Sharp, Reggie White, Frank Winters, Gilbert Brown, Dorsey Levens, Jerry Kramer, and dozens of others.

I appreciate Favre for what he was, but I see his warts as well. Your assertion that fans, like me, should be blind to everything other than team roster, and that failure to support regardless of facts and circumstances lessens us, is to me, well, no need to ascribe negative terms to another. You are entitled to your opinion. The last thing I want is to become another Sho'nuff.

In the end my thoughts on Favre will always be somewhat conflicted.

Enjoy your day and have a happy and healthy Thanksgiving.

 

[Mario Kart]

719 - 282 = Impressive

 

[sho nuff]

719 - 282 = Impressive

Post counting was as foolish on page 5 as it is 2 years later.Care to add anything to the topic?

 

[Mario Kart]

719 720 - 282 = Impressive

Post counting was as foolish on page 5 as it is 2 years later.Care to add anything to the topic?

 

[Phurfur]

The thing that gets me in all of this is the Packers fans who have turned on Favre. He's still one of my favorite players ever to play the game, and I went out of my way to get tickets to the Pats/Vikes game earlier this year to get one last chance to see him. I used to buy into the notion that the Green Bay contingent was special - that there was some kind of loyal fanbase who bought shares in the team and sold out the stadium in the freezing cold despite their tiny market and was part of the lore of the NFL. Now I look at them as just one more group of jaded fans who will turn on the greatest player in franchise history and talk about him like just another former player in the era of free agency. This is easily the uncoolest response by a fanbase that I can remember to any event in sports in my lifetime.

As Packer fans we set very high standards for our players both on and off the field. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

[bostonfred]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

 

[sho nuff]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Im sure there will be some that will consider him a traitor and never want to see him step back in Lambeau again.I think those are still few and far between.But it all depends on how things go down with him when he does retire, and how the Packers handle the situation.also, none of those guys left in the same fashion Favre did.It has not really happened like that before, each situation is different.

 

[deep vacuum]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

I know what you are trying to say and maybe I'm just old, have selective memory or what not, but I don't ever remember those two 49'er greats ever acting like Favre has for the past five years. Frankly, I can't remember any player for that matter having such a hold on a franchise the way that Favre did with Green Bay, Jets & now the Vikings. I suspect that if Favre had grown up with any other team than the Packers, played like Favre always has played, and treated that organization & fans in the same manner that he has for the past five years or so, that people's reactions on both sides would be similar to what you're seeing now from Packer fans.He's a master at what he does and a very still a very good Qb but I got tired of all the drama and the lack of accountability from Favre a very long time ago. Will I welcome back someday down the road after he finally retires? Sure, I want to welcome him back as a former Packer hero but in the back of my mind I still worry that like a bitter ex, he'll turn everything into a media circus that's all about him and not the team, organization or fans.

 

[ScottyFargo]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

 

[Mario Kart]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

I know what you are trying to say and maybe I'm just old, have selective memory or what not, but I don't ever remember those two 49'er greats ever acting like Favre has for the past five years. Frankly, I can't remember any player for that matter having such a hold on a franchise the way that Favre did with Green Bay, Jets & now the Vikings. I suspect that if Favre had grown up with any other team than the Packers, played like Favre always has played, and treated that organization & fans in the same manner that he has for the past five years or so, that people's reactions on both sides would be similar to what you're seeing now from Packer fans.He's a master at what he does and a very still a very good Qb but I got tired of all the drama and the lack of accountability from Favre a very long time ago. Will I welcome back someday down the road after he finally retires? Sure, I want to welcome him back as a former Packer hero but in the back of my mind I still worry that like a bitter ex, he'll turn everything into a media circus that's all about him and not the team, organization or fans.

I see you are in Milwaukee. Not sure if you have ever lived in Green Bay or near Green Bay or not, but I have. I lived there all through Favre's tenure from the second Super Bowl to his last game. What Favre and those 90's Packers did to Green Bay is nothing short of remarkable. That city, unless the team is irrelevant for 20 years, changed dramatically during Favre's time. That city, as well as Milwaukee owes a lot to Green Bay and those Packers that Favre lead.That said, I am now in Milwaukee too. During my time in Green Bay, I have family in Milwaukee and would visit periodically. Point is, somewhere along the line on Hwy 43 and Hwy 41 there is a clear shift in the way the media reports things about the Packers. Milwaukee media acts as if the Packers are either the Milwaukee Packers or the Wisconsin Packers and what the Milwaukee media does is terrible. Also, the people in Milwaukee have a clear shift in how they react to Favre. The people in Milwaukee, like the media, treat the Packers as if the team is there's. And, its not. Green Bay is much more humble when it comes to the Packers and anything to do with the Packers.Just a note quick. The Ryan Grant thread in the Shark Pool is a great thread. People in Milwaukee will treat it like Ryan Grant is kind and whatever else because he did that. That is normal stuff around Green Bay. The Packers visit the hospitals, local businesses on a weekly basis up there.Anyway, the local media of Milwaukee helps to turn the people of Milwaukee against Favre these past how many ever years. In fact, the media much more so than Favre talked about him retiring and always brought it up save the last couple of years. As much as people want to hate Favre for the last couple of years, I never hear in the same breath that those same people hate the media as well. They always side with what the media reports. It is sad really. As to bostonfred's post. Go up to Green Bay and you will have a much different story about Favre than you would in Milwaukee or any national media outlet. It is night and day. Also, if you go to Madison, they don't care because they have the Badgers and that town bleeds cardinal and white... not green and gold... and the Madison media does not hide that fact.

 

[sho nuff]

Agreed on the differences between the media.

Just listening to the differences between the talk on 107.5 out of Green Bay and that out of 540 in Milwaukee.

Though, there is not a huge difference in what the Press Gazette reports and how JsOnline reports it.

Of course, the writers on JsOline are still in GB while the "paper" is run out of Milwaukee.

 

[Kleck]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Time will heal all wounds. Curly Lambeau didn't leave on the greatest terms with the organization or fans as he attempted a take over of the team. Yet the Packers organization with full fan support still renamed the stadium in his honor years later. #4 will hang on the wall of Lambeau Field with the other retired numbers some day. And the fans will cheer. You can be sure of it.

 

[coyote5]

Also, if you go to Madison, they don't care because they have the Badgers and that town bleeds cardinal and white... not green and gold... and the Madison media does not hide that fact.

Not true.As to how the fanbase will receive Favre down the road -Favre has splintered the fan base a bit. There are those that sided with Favre and think GB mngmt wronged him. There are those who side with GB and think Favre wronged the team. And there are those in between who think the whole thing is way over blown.Time heals and X years down the road, when the time is right for both sides, the Packers will bring Favre back to Lambeau for whatever kind of ceremony they want to do, and I think the reception for him will be overwhelmingly positive.IMOedit: Kleck beat me to the punch!!

 

[Heatman]

Someone should start a thread:

How's the 49ers decision to go with Young look now?

 

[deep vacuum]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

I know what you are trying to say and maybe I'm just old, have selective memory or what not, but I don't ever remember those two 49'er greats ever acting like Favre has for the past five years. Frankly, I can't remember any player for that matter having such a hold on a franchise the way that Favre did with Green Bay, Jets & now the Vikings. I suspect that if Favre had grown up with any other team than the Packers, played like Favre always has played, and treated that organization & fans in the same manner that he has for the past five years or so, that people's reactions on both sides would be similar to what you're seeing now from Packer fans.He's a master at what he does and a very still a very good Qb but I got tired of all the drama and the lack of accountability from Favre a very long time ago. Will I welcome back someday down the road after he finally retires? Sure, I want to welcome him back as a former Packer hero but in the back of my mind I still worry that like a bitter ex, he'll turn everything into a media circus that's all about him and not the team, organization or fans.

I see you are in Milwaukee. Not sure if you have ever lived in Green Bay or near Green Bay or not, but I have. I lived there all through Favre's tenure from the second Super Bowl to his last game. What Favre and those 90's Packers did to Green Bay is nothing short of remarkable. That city, unless the team is irrelevant for 20 years, changed dramatically during Favre's time. That city, as well as Milwaukee owes a lot to Green Bay and those Packers that Favre lead.That said, I am now in Milwaukee too. During my time in Green Bay, I have family in Milwaukee and would visit periodically. Point is, somewhere along the line on Hwy 43 and Hwy 41 there is a clear shift in the way the media reports things about the Packers. Milwaukee media acts as if the Packers are either the Milwaukee Packers or the Wisconsin Packers and what the Milwaukee media does is terrible. Also, the people in Milwaukee have a clear shift in how they react to Favre. The people in Milwaukee, like the media, treat the Packers as if the team is there's. And, its not. Green Bay is much more humble when it comes to the Packers and anything to do with the Packers.Just a note quick. The Ryan Grant thread in the Shark Pool is a great thread. People in Milwaukee will treat it like Ryan Grant is kind and whatever else because he did that. That is normal stuff around Green Bay. The Packers visit the hospitals, local businesses on a weekly basis up there.Anyway, the local media of Milwaukee helps to turn the people of Milwaukee against Favre these past how many ever years. In fact, the media much more so than Favre talked about him retiring and always brought it up save the last couple of years. As much as people want to hate Favre for the last couple of years, I never hear in the same breath that those same people hate the media as well. They always side with what the media reports. It is sad really. As to bostonfred's post. Go up to Green Bay and you will have a much different story about Favre than you would in Milwaukee or any national media outlet. It is night and day. Also, if you go to Madison, they don't care because they have the Badgers and that town bleeds cardinal and white... not green and gold... and the Madison media does not hide that fact.

Very interesting perspective. Thanks for responding. I love watching the sheer joy that Favre play the game with. Always have, but I was never a Favre lover. Just to many bone headed plays that veteran QB's should not make just bothered me to much to really connect with him. Favre is a game changer, both in a good way and in a bad way. I've always wondered if a solid game managing QB would have had the success that Favre had in Green Bay or if it truly was all due to Favre being Favre. Could Trent Dilfer had won a Superbowl in Green Bay? I know he didn't win games in heroic fashion the way Favre has but he also never lost important games the way Favre has either.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The thing that gets me in all of this is the Packers fans who have turned on Favre. He's still one of my favorite players ever to play the game, and I went out of my way to get tickets to the Pats/Vikes game earlier this year to get one last chance to see him. I used to buy into the notion that the Green Bay contingent was special - that there was some kind of loyal fanbase who bought shares in the team and sold out the stadium in the freezing cold despite their tiny market and was part of the lore of the NFL. Now I look at them as just one more group of jaded fans who will turn on the greatest player in franchise history and talk about him like just another former player in the era of free agency. This is easily the uncoolest response by a fanbase that I can remember to any event in sports in my lifetime.

I don't think you can reach this conclusion if you've been paying attention, which I would expect most fans of other teams would not have done these past few years. Bill Simmons compared it to the Roger Clemmons situation for Red Sox fans, and encouraged Packer fans to boo lustily when Favre made his first return to Lambeau as a Viking last season. I didn't think Simmons exactly hit the nail on the head so to speak, but I think he at least partially understands and explains a reasonable reaction. Favre didn't just leave town, he did everything within his power to undermine the team on his way out, including actually bringing his circus act to training camp and disrupting nearly an entire week of practice just to force his hand. For comparison, here is how a recent Packer reacted when he was cut, even though he still has ability and is already playing for another team: Al Harris half-page newspaper adPersonally, I don't think Packer fans are any better or worse or materially different than any other fan base in the world and I think most every fan base would react similarly under the same circumstances.

At the same time, even just a few weeks ago when the Vikings played at Lambeau, there were plenty of Packer "fans" in attendance who were cheering for Favre and the Vikings. Like Kev/Mario Kart and the other aliases, these fans believe it is appropriate to cheer for the Vikings even when they are playing the Packers. That seems a much more bizarre reaction in my opinion, but it exists - I have a co-worker who maintains that position to this day.

 

[Dizzy]

This thread makes me sad... reminds of a time when the Packers were contenders... I was so young then.

 

[basher]

This thread makes me sad... reminds of a time when the Packers were contenders... I was so young then.

wow this is a fishing comment if I have ever seen one

 

[Dizzy]

This thread makes me sad... reminds of a time when the Packers were contenders... I was so young then.

wow this is a fishing comment if I have ever seen one

Not really... just had the urge make a dumb comment... and this seemed like the perfect place to take a dump.

 

[Sudsy]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Are you hoping I will respond to the memory of Bostonfred?.

 

[Eric Stratton]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Totally different situation.I don't remember Montana - * Getting upset when they acquired Young and publicly stating he would refuse to take him under his wing. * Publicly stating he wanted to go to a rival team to "stick it" to the GM while forgetting about the fans who stood by him for years. * Cheating on his cancer-stricken wife and exposing her to public humility * Constantly wavering on whether he would be back with the team each year, hindering the GM's plans on how to build the team

Ah...such is a Favre hater.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Totally different situation.I don't remember Montana - * Getting upset when they acquired Young and publicly stating he would refuse to take him under his wing. * Publicly stating he wanted to go to a rival team to "stick it" to the GM while forgetting about the fans who stood by him for years. * Cheating on his cancer-stricken wife and exposing her to public humility * Constantly wavering on whether he would be back with the team each year, hindering the GM's plans on how to build the team

The whole thing about Favre and taking Rodgers under his wing was overblown. Link to him saying he wanted to stick it to ThompsonSo far all we know is he texted that chick with the Jets and his wife doesn't have cancer anymore.So how did he hinder Thompson on how to build the Packers? They drafted Rodgers and then they drafted Flynn and Brohm.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Time will heal all wounds. Curly Lambeau didn't leave on the greatest terms with the organization or fans as he attempted a take over of the team. Yet the Packers organization with full fan support still renamed the stadium in his honor years later. #4 will hang on the wall of Lambeau Field with the other retired numbers some day. And the fans will cheer. You can be sure of it.

Kleck is a smart man.

 

[DiStefano]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Time will heal all wounds. Curly Lambeau didn't leave on the greatest terms with the organization or fans as he attempted a take over of the team. Yet the Packers organization with full fan support still renamed the stadium in his honor years later. #4 will hang on the wall of Lambeau Field with the other retired numbers some day. And the fans will cheer. You can be sure of it.

Kleck is a smart man.

Of course they will; and they should.That doesn't change the fact that Favre acted like a donkey, and the Packers were smart to let him go.

 

[camperguy01]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Totally different situation.I don't remember Montana - * Getting upset when they acquired Young and publicly stating he would refuse to take him under his wing. * Publicly stating he wanted to go to a rival team to "stick it" to the GM while forgetting about the fans who stood by him for years. * Cheating on his cancer-stricken wife and exposing her to public humility * Constantly wavering on whether he would be back with the team each year, hindering the GM's plans on how to build the team

Ah...such is a Favre hater.

Uh, not really - just stating the facts.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Just as I thought...you won't answer it.Why can't you answer a simple question?I know why...because you know its admitting I am dead on correct about Beaver.This is not from experience over 2 days with the guy...its 2 years of experience dealing with he and a few others.

I can post icons too.

When is your Kindergarten graduation?

 

[Ookie Pringle]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Totally different situation.I don't remember Montana - * Getting upset when they acquired Young and publicly stating he would refuse to take him under his wing. * Publicly stating he wanted to go to a rival team to "stick it" to the GM while forgetting about the fans who stood by him for years. * Cheating on his cancer-stricken wife and exposing her to public humility * Constantly wavering on whether he would be back with the team each year, hindering the GM's plans on how to build the team

Ah...such is a Favre hater.

Uh, not really - just stating the facts.

Those aren't facts. Those are your perceptions. to back up those facts

 

[Ookie Pringle]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Time will heal all wounds. Curly Lambeau didn't leave on the greatest terms with the organization or fans as he attempted a take over of the team. Yet the Packers organization with full fan support still renamed the stadium in his honor years later. #4 will hang on the wall of Lambeau Field with the other retired numbers some day. And the fans will cheer. You can be sure of it.

Kleck is a smart man.

Of course they will; and they should.That doesn't change the fact that Favre acted like a donkey, and the Packers were smart to let him go.

And it doesn't change the fact that Favre gave the Packers a QB that they never had, won 3 MVPS, and played the game in a way that way that not many do in addition to helping them win after two decades of losing. He gave Packer fans memories and holds many records that may never be broken. If Packer fans want to forget that so be it. I won't. Packer fans were lucky to have him for all those seasons and go ask other fans if they wish they had Favre over that time period.

 

[DiStefano]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Time will heal all wounds. Curly Lambeau didn't leave on the greatest terms with the organization or fans as he attempted a take over of the team. Yet the Packers organization with full fan support still renamed the stadium in his honor years later. #4 will hang on the wall of Lambeau Field with the other retired numbers some day. And the fans will cheer. You can be sure of it.

Kleck is a smart man.

Of course they will; and they should.That doesn't change the fact that Favre acted like a donkey, and the Packers were smart to let him go.

And it doesn't change the fact that Favre gave the Packers a QB that they never had, won 3 MVPS, and played the game in a way that way that not many do in addition to helping them win after two decades of losing. He gave Packer fans memories and holds many records that may never be broken. If Packer fans want to forget that so be it. I won't. Packer fans were lucky to have him for all those seasons and go ask other fans if they wish they had Favre over that time period.

That doesn't change the fact that Favre acted like a donkey, and the Packers were smart to let him go.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

That doesn't change the fact that Favre acted like a donkey, and the Packers were smart to let him go.

Well most people that are stable can move beyond that and remember all the good things that happend over such a long period of time. If you need counseling I am sure sho nuff can get you in to see his.

 

[fatness]

That doesn't change the fact that Favre acted like a donkey, and the Packers were smart to let him go.

You're right. But you've not going to change his mind.

 

[DiStefano]

That doesn't change the fact that Favre acted like a donkey, and the Packers were smart to let him go.

You're right. But you've not going to change his mind.

Yes. If they're not getting any nookie, that's what's left for them.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

That doesn't change the fact that Favre acted like a donkey, and the Packers were smart to let him go.

You're right. But you've not going to change his mind.

That's a chick you fat dumbshiiiit

 

[DiStefano]

That doesn't change the fact that Favre acted like a donkey, and the Packers were smart to let him go.

You're right. But you've not going to change his mind.

That's a chick you fat dumbshiiiit

Sorry, ma'am. I mistook your skirt for a kilt.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

That doesn't change the fact that Favre acted like a donkey, and the Packers were smart to let him go.

You're right. But you've not going to change his mind.

That's a chick you fat dumbshiiiit

Sorry, ma'am. I mistook your skirt for a kilt.

So you are in the business of reaching under guys kilts to see what they have under there.

 

[sho nuff]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Totally different situation.I don't remember Montana - * Getting upset when they acquired Young and publicly stating he would refuse to take him under his wing. * Publicly stating he wanted to go to a rival team to "stick it" to the GM while forgetting about the fans who stood by him for years. * Cheating on his cancer-stricken wife and exposing her to public humility * Constantly wavering on whether he would be back with the team each year, hindering the GM's plans on how to build the team

The whole thing about Favre and taking Rodgers under his wing was overblown. Link to him saying he wanted to stick it to ThompsonSo far all we know is he texted that chick with the Jets and his wife doesn't have cancer anymore.So how did he hinder Thompson on how to build the Packers? They drafted Rodgers and then they drafted Flynn and Brohm.

Agreed that the mentoring thing was overblown. Dumb thing to say...but by all accounts he did talk to Rodgers a lot to help him out.But are you really going to deny the stick it to Ted thing?

 

[sho nuff]

Just as I thought...you won't answer it.Why can't you answer a simple question?I know why...because you know its admitting I am dead on correct about Beaver.This is not from experience over 2 days with the guy...its 2 years of experience dealing with he and a few others.

I can post icons too.

When is your Kindergarten graduation?

Another solid on topic post. It's funny that you never have a problem of the childish behavioral of other though. Hah.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Just as I thought...you won't answer it.Why can't you answer a simple question?I know why...because you know its admitting I am dead on correct about Beaver.This is not from experience over 2 days with the guy...its 2 years of experience dealing with he and a few others.

I can post icons too.

When is your Kindergarten graduation?

Another solid on topic post. It's funny that you never have a problem of the childish behavioral of other though. Hah.

Another solid topic post. It's funny watching you feel the need to take the bait everytime. Hah.

 

[camperguy01]

OK, so there were other great Packers players. When Favre retires, are you going to honor him the same way you honor the other great Packers? Would you feel about him the way that San Francisco feels about Montana after they let him go to Kansas City while they kept Steve Young? Or Jerry Rice, who went across the bay to their non-conference rivals while the 49ers sucked? I don't think you'll meet a San Francisco fan in your lifetime who talks the way that Green Bay fans do about Favre these days. It's the worst response by a fanbase I can remember.

Totally different situation.I don't remember Montana - * Getting upset when they acquired Young and publicly stating he would refuse to take him under his wing. * Publicly stating he wanted to go to a rival team to "stick it" to the GM while forgetting about the fans who stood by him for years. * Cheating on his cancer-stricken wife and exposing her to public humility * Constantly wavering on whether he would be back with the team each year, hindering the GM's plans on how to build the team

Ah...such is a Favre hater.

Uh, not really - just stating the facts.

Those aren't facts. Those are your perceptions. to back up those facts

Actually they are facts. You have internet access look it up yourself - I found it in a few seconds. Besides it won't change your mind - you'll continue the Favre worship no matter what I or anyone else shows you.I'm not here to argue with you or anyone else - but to say Favre has been completely innocent and that the Packer fans are "haters" just because they choose not to root for a guy of questionable character? Ridiculous.

 

[bostonfred]

The thing that gets me in all of this is the Packers fans who have turned on Favre. He's still one of my favorite players ever to play the game, and I went out of my way to get tickets to the Pats/Vikes game earlier this year to get one last chance to see him. I used to buy into the notion that the Green Bay contingent was special - that there was some kind of loyal fanbase who bought shares in the team and sold out the stadium in the freezing cold despite their tiny market and was part of the lore of the NFL. Now I look at them as just one more group of jaded fans who will turn on the greatest player in franchise history and talk about him like just another former player in the era of free agency. This is easily the uncoolest response by a fanbase that I can remember to any event in sports in my lifetime.

Well...we are a loyal bunch.To the Green Bay Packers.Ive learned long ago that loyalty just to players is overrated.Players will come and go. But the Packers will always be the Packers and that is who I am the biggest fan of.

If that's really the mentality in Green Bay, then I can't imagine why anyone would ever want to play for the Packers.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Actually they are facts. You have internet access look it up yourself - I found it in a few seconds. Besides it won't change your mind - you'll continue the Favre worship no matter what I or anyone else shows you.I'm not here to argue with you or anyone else - but to say Favre has been completely innocent and that the Packer fans are "haters" just because they choose not to root for a guy of questionable character? Ridiculous.

 

[Warrior]

This thread is awful...like a bunch of 3rd graders bickering.

:IBTL: :IBTL: :IBTL:

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The thing that gets me in all of this is the Packers fans who have turned on Favre. He's still one of my favorite players ever to play the game, and I went out of my way to get tickets to the Pats/Vikes game earlier this year to get one last chance to see him. I used to buy into the notion that the Green Bay contingent was special - that there was some kind of loyal fanbase who bought shares in the team and sold out the stadium in the freezing cold despite their tiny market and was part of the lore of the NFL. Now I look at them as just one more group of jaded fans who will turn on the greatest player in franchise history and talk about him like just another former player in the era of free agency. This is easily the uncoolest response by a fanbase that I can remember to any event in sports in my lifetime.

Well...we are a loyal bunch.To the Green Bay Packers.Ive learned long ago that loyalty just to players is overrated.Players will come and go. But the Packers will always be the Packers and that is who I am the biggest fan of.

If that's really the mentality in Green Bay, then I can't imagine why anyone would ever want to play for the Packers.

sho isn't well. Ask any TRUE Packer fan about loyalty to players or coaches. Lombardi didn't finish coaching the Packers. As anyone can see there are several people here that are jaded when in comes to Favre and his career with the Packers. Let them feel that way. Watching Favre all those years is something that I will never forget not to mention a Super Bowl win. Yes, he messed up recently but that won't change the memories of him as a Packer. Brett played for the Packers in a way that not many players do.

 

[Das Boot]

The thing that gets me in all of this is the Packers fans who have turned on Favre. He's still one of my favorite players ever to play the game, and I went out of my way to get tickets to the Pats/Vikes game earlier this year to get one last chance to see him. I used to buy into the notion that the Green Bay contingent was special - that there was some kind of loyal fanbase who bought shares in the team and sold out the stadium in the freezing cold despite their tiny market and was part of the lore of the NFL. Now I look at them as just one more group of jaded fans who will turn on the greatest player in franchise history and talk about him like just another former player in the era of free agency. This is easily the uncoolest response by a fanbase that I can remember to any event in sports in my lifetime.

Yet strangely Favre is the only player I know of that Pack fans feel this way about.Hmmmm.... is it uncool Packer fans?... or maybe it's Favre's actions toward the franchise and his fans.

 

[cr8f]

The thing that gets me in all of this is the Packers fans who have turned on Favre. He's still one of my favorite players ever to play the game, and I went out of my way to get tickets to the Pats/Vikes game earlier this year to get one last chance to see him. I used to buy into the notion that the Green Bay contingent was special - that there was some kind of loyal fanbase who bought shares in the team and sold out the stadium in the freezing cold despite their tiny market and was part of the lore of the NFL. Now I look at them as just one more group of jaded fans who will turn on the greatest player in franchise history and talk about him like just another former player in the era of free agency. This is easily the uncoolest response by a fanbase that I can remember to any event in sports in my lifetime.

Yet strangely Favre is the only player I know of that Pack fans feel this way about.Hmmmm.... is it uncool Packer fans?... or maybe it's Favre's actions toward the franchise and his fans.

I don't think that's true. Most Packer fans are loyal the the team first and players/coaches second.

Like Favre Holmgren was a star that screwed the tea when he left. He took everything but Ron Wolf and the kitchen sink. He coasted his last year when the team didn't allow him to leave early. It was a soap opera his final year.

When he left he recommended Andy Reid to replace him but Wolf was so negative he didn't listen. When Wolf traded for Ahman Green later he said it was one of the most satisfyig trades he ever made.

Family squabbles like this often are divisive.

Rodgers fell in Thompsons lap but turned out very well.

Favre was a hillbilly I'm glad we have a thinking person to be the QB of the future. Favre would have never handled what Rodgers did with the hall of fame QB leaving as Rodgers did.

 

[sho nuff]

The thing that gets me in all of this is the Packers fans who have turned on Favre. He's still one of my favorite players ever to play the game, and I went out of my way to get tickets to the Pats/Vikes game earlier this year to get one last chance to see him. I used to buy into the notion that the Green Bay contingent was special - that there was some kind of loyal fanbase who bought shares in the team and sold out the stadium in the freezing cold despite their tiny market and was part of the lore of the NFL. Now I look at them as just one more group of jaded fans who will turn on the greatest player in franchise history and talk about him like just another former player in the era of free agency. This is easily the uncoolest response by a fanbase that I can remember to any event in sports in my lifetime.

Well...we are a loyal bunch.To the Green Bay Packers.Ive learned long ago that loyalty just to players is overrated.Players will come and go. But the Packers will always be the Packers and that is who I am the biggest fan of.

If that's really the mentality in Green Bay, then I can't imagine why anyone would ever want to play for the Packers.

sho isn't well. Ask any TRUE Packer fan about loyalty to players or coaches. Lombardi didn't finish coaching the Packers. As anyone can see there are several people here that are jaded when in comes to Favre and his career with the Packers. Let them feel that way. Watching Favre all those years is something that I will never forget not to mention a Super Bowl win. Yes, he messed up recently but that won't change the memories of him as a Packer. Brett played for the Packers in a way that not many players do.

Oh..despite your opinion of me, I'm just fine. And I am a true PACKER fan..loyal to the team first...players second. It's not that I dislike guys when they leave...but I dont cheer for them...esprciallt against the Packers and especially not if they are playing for a rival team.

 

[Underachievers]

The thing that gets me in all of this is the Packers fans who have turned on Favre. He's still one of my favorite players ever to play the game, and I went out of my way to get tickets to the Pats/Vikes game earlier this year to get one last chance to see him. I used to buy into the notion that the Green Bay contingent was special - that there was some kind of loyal fanbase who bought shares in the team and sold out the stadium in the freezing cold despite their tiny market and was part of the lore of the NFL. Now I look at them as just one more group of jaded fans who will turn on the greatest player in franchise history and talk about him like just another former player in the era of free agency. This is easily the uncoolest response by a fanbase that I can remember to any event in sports in my lifetime.

Yet strangely Favre is the only player I know of that Pack fans feel this way about.Hmmmm.... is it uncool Packer fans?... or maybe it's Favre's actions toward the franchise and his fans.

No...bostonfred has it correct. I at one time also thought Packer fans were special (been a fan since the days of Steve Odom). But this entire Favre saga has shown them to be no better than any other fanbase and quite possibly worse than most NFL fans. Maybe the arrogance/smugness came from the tradition of winning (thank you Brett). Because I certainly do not remember the fans being holier than thou when the Packers sucked for a quarter century.