How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (1 Viewer)

[Aaronstory]

At this point I hope the Packers finish strong. I am ambivilent about them making the playoffs, which seems unlikely. Were they to make the playoffs I do not see them having success. I guess, rather than one and done I would prefer to see them lick some wounds, get healthy, feel angry, and draft high. I would prefer the organization have time to construct a good off season plan. I would prefer they have extra time to address thier free agency needs and to take care of their surgeries early. I would prefer then that they consider the free agency crop and spend the extra time scouting and prepping for the draft.Ultimately I do not think this team is far away from being a legit contender. If they can get healthy early, maybe get an impact D-lineman in F.A. and then add some help on the O-line in the draft and some youth at D.B. this team could be very competitive. their skill positions are fine. I believe they are close, but I actually believe making the playoffs this year would set them back.I am somewhat disappointed in this year, but I feel a down year occassionally is sometimes necessary to take a step forward. I generally like the direction of the club.

It would be great if the Packers did that in the offseason, but you have to remember, Ted does not sign free agents. Hopefully he drafts some decent players, although outside of wide receivers, I don't think he has done that great with the draft either.

Oh, I don't know - Colledge is having a good year, Nick Collins led the NFL in INTs, (edited - Polumalu currently leads) Brandon Jackson is heating up, not to mention the starting quarterback - has TT had some misses? Sure, what GM doesn't? But his drafts have been pretty strong.

I think 2005 was not a very good draft. Rodgers and Collins are both good picks, but they were 1st and 2nd rdrs.

Love this. Because goodness knows, 1st and 2nd round picks are lead pipe locks to be quality players, no matter what...

 

[sho nuff]

At this point I hope the Packers finish strong. I am ambivilent about them making the playoffs, which seems unlikely. Were they to make the playoffs I do not see them having success. I guess, rather than one and done I would prefer to see them lick some wounds, get healthy, feel angry, and draft high. I would prefer the organization have time to construct a good off season plan. I would prefer they have extra time to address thier free agency needs and to take care of their surgeries early. I would prefer then that they consider the free agency crop and spend the extra time scouting and prepping for the draft.Ultimately I do not think this team is far away from being a legit contender. If they can get healthy early, maybe get an impact D-lineman in F.A. and then add some help on the O-line in the draft and some youth at D.B. this team could be very competitive. their skill positions are fine. I believe they are close, but I actually believe making the playoffs this year would set them back.I am somewhat disappointed in this year, but I feel a down year occassionally is sometimes necessary to take a step forward. I generally like the direction of the club.

It would be great if the Packers did that in the offseason, but you have to remember, Ted does not sign free agents. Hopefully he drafts some decent players, although outside of wide receivers, I don't think he has done that great with the draft either.

Oh, I don't know - Colledge is having a good year, Nick Collins led the NFL in INTs, (edited - Polumalu currently leads) Brandon Jackson is heating up, not to mention the starting quarterback - has TT had some misses? Sure, what GM doesn't? But his drafts have been pretty strong.

I would not say that Daryn Colledge is having a good year.

He's had a bad play here and there (like down on the goalline against the Panthers) but overall, his play has been excellent in pass protection, and he's improving in the run game. Overall, I def think he's having a good year - a much better year than anyone else on the interior of the line. (Which, admittedly, is not saying much...)

IMO, Spitz is having a better year than Colledge and has shown the ability to play Center too.I don't see Colledge as having a good year and that is getting compounded by Clifton's struggles over there too.

 

[sho nuff]

At this point I hope the Packers finish strong. I am ambivilent about them making the playoffs, which seems unlikely. Were they to make the playoffs I do not see them having success. I guess, rather than one and done I would prefer to see them lick some wounds, get healthy, feel angry, and draft high. I would prefer the organization have time to construct a good off season plan. I would prefer they have extra time to address thier free agency needs and to take care of their surgeries early. I would prefer then that they consider the free agency crop and spend the extra time scouting and prepping for the draft.Ultimately I do not think this team is far away from being a legit contender. If they can get healthy early, maybe get an impact D-lineman in F.A. and then add some help on the O-line in the draft and some youth at D.B. this team could be very competitive. their skill positions are fine. I believe they are close, but I actually believe making the playoffs this year would set them back.I am somewhat disappointed in this year, but I feel a down year occassionally is sometimes necessary to take a step forward. I generally like the direction of the club.

It would be great if the Packers did that in the offseason, but you have to remember, Ted does not sign free agents. Hopefully he drafts some decent players, although outside of wide receivers, I don't think he has done that great with the draft either.

Oh, I don't know - Colledge is having a good year, Nick Collins led the NFL in INTs, (edited - Polumalu currently leads) Brandon Jackson is heating up, not to mention the starting quarterback - has TT had some misses? Sure, what GM doesn't? But his drafts have been pretty strong.

I think 2005 was not a very good draft. Rodgers and Collins are both good picks, but they were 1st and 2nd rdrs.

Love this. Because goodness knows, 1st and 2nd round picks are lead pipe locks to be quality players, no matter what...

Plus they got Poppinga who is at least a solid depth LB but is starting and has started for a few years.And people forget Terrance Murphy was showing some flashes as a rookie before a career ending injury. To call that not a very good draft when you have 3 starters out of it and had a rookie who could have done something too...seems like someone is a bit hard to please.

 

[Phase of the Game]

How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now?

Packers Mgmt = Relieved / Satisfied

I'm sure they are with that 5-7 record 30-30 overall and probably missing the playoffs for 3 years out of the last 4. Thompson is also ignoring the media. I'm sure they are satisfied!

You're being deliberately obtuse. Yes, Thompson has a ton of issues to deal with - but as FAR AS THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD - the trade of Favre to make way for Rodgers - I am sure management is more than satisfied. Talk about

So you are happy the management is more than satisfied with a 5-7 start with Rodgers..0-7 when down at halftime and 0-4 when trying to win the game in crunch time. Good to know you are happy that the GB management is satisfied with that.

Where did I say that? Oh, that's right, I didn't.

It is easily implied by what you wrote. You stated the management is more than satisfied. Good for them because there are a lot of fans that are not satisfied with the state of the team.

 

[parasaurolophus]

At this point I hope the Packers finish strong. I am ambivilent about them making the playoffs, which seems unlikely. Were they to make the playoffs I do not see them having success. I guess, rather than one and done I would prefer to see them lick some wounds, get healthy, feel angry, and draft high. I would prefer the organization have time to construct a good off season plan. I would prefer they have extra time to address thier free agency needs and to take care of their surgeries early. I would prefer then that they consider the free agency crop and spend the extra time scouting and prepping for the draft.Ultimately I do not think this team is far away from being a legit contender. If they can get healthy early, maybe get an impact D-lineman in F.A. and then add some help on the O-line in the draft and some youth at D.B. this team could be very competitive. their skill positions are fine. I believe they are close, but I actually believe making the playoffs this year would set them back.I am somewhat disappointed in this year, but I feel a down year occassionally is sometimes necessary to take a step forward. I generally like the direction of the club.

It would be great if the Packers did that in the offseason, but you have to remember, Ted does not sign free agents. Hopefully he drafts some decent players, although outside of wide receivers, I don't think he has done that great with the draft either.

Oh, I don't know - Colledge is having a good year, Nick Collins led the NFL in INTs, (edited - Polumalu currently leads) Brandon Jackson is heating up, not to mention the starting quarterback - has TT had some misses? Sure, what GM doesn't? But his drafts have been pretty strong.

I think 2005 was not a very good draft. Rodgers and Collins are both good picks, but they were 1st and 2nd rdrs.

Love this. Because goodness knows, 1st and 2nd round picks are lead pipe locks to be quality players, no matter what...

nobody said that. I do love how thats the only part you focused on. Nevermind the fact that collins probably could have been had much later. Rodgers isnt even a stone cold lock to have been a great pick. Nevermind the fact that there is nobody else to point to in that draft as any kind of draft expertise from TT. So you have a guy who drafted a future QB in the first, overspent in the second, and then the rest of the draft was bleh. I am not saying he has to hit on everybody. I dont think he hit on everybody in 2006, but i said I thought it was a great draft. But when you constantly claim you want to build the team through the draft and you leave lots of cap space open each year, you better be nailing those drafts.

 

[sho nuff]

We are going to blast him for overspending on Collins now? Because you think he might have been had much later? First...you don't know that.

2nd...with the production they have out of Collins...Id say he did not "overspend" for him.

 

[parasaurolophus]

We are going to blast him for overspending on Collins now? Because you think he might have been had much later? First...you don't know that.2nd...with the production they have out of Collins...Id say he did not "overspend" for him.

i already said collins was a good pick in this very thread, so I would hardly call it blasting. I was addressing the fact that you cant simply label 2005 as a good draft because of collins and Rodgers. They were 1st and 2nd rd picks. You can make arguments that they were both not great picks at the time, which diminishes a bit from the overall draft.

 

[sho nuff]

We are going to blast him for overspending on Collins now? Because you think he might have been had much later? First...you don't know that.2nd...with the production they have out of Collins...Id say he did not "overspend" for him.

i already said collins was a good pick in this very thread, so I would hardly call it blasting. I was addressing the fact that you cant simply label 2005 as a good draft because of collins and Rodgers. They were 1st and 2nd rd picks. You can make arguments that they were both not great picks at the time, which diminishes a bit from the overall draft.

Who cares what they looked like at the time.Rodgers, Collins, Poppinga.3 starters from that draft.Along with Murphy.It was a pretty good draft.If you can hit in the 1st and 2nd round...and hit a player later as a contributor...that is a solid draft.Especially since one just may very well be a franchise QB.

 

[parasaurolophus]

We are going to blast him for overspending on Collins now? Because you think he might have been had much later? First...you don't know that.2nd...with the production they have out of Collins...Id say he did not "overspend" for him.

i already said collins was a good pick in this very thread, so I would hardly call it blasting. I was addressing the fact that you cant simply label 2005 as a good draft because of collins and Rodgers. They were 1st and 2nd rd picks. You can make arguments that they were both not great picks at the time, which diminishes a bit from the overall draft.

Who cares what they looked like at the time.Rodgers, Collins, Poppinga.3 starters from that draft.Along with Murphy.It was a pretty good draft.If you can hit in the 1st and 2nd round...and hit a player later as a contributor...that is a solid draft.Especially since one just may very well be a franchise QB.

You are using a guy who in your opinion "showed flashes" to help back up a draft? doesnt Poppinga start essentially by default? we didnt get anything out of Rodgers until 2008, and still wouldnt need anything, but I am trying to avoid going back to that as we already have 31 pages. Plus i already conceded it was a good pick to avoid that discussion. And again you are ignoring my point. TT HAS to have solid drafts. He has to have better than solid. If you are always going to have an eye on the future and have players that are "developing", when you get hit with injuries you wont have veteran backups. There are just so many decisions and things TT leaves to chance. Frost this year is a perfect example. Letting Longwell go is another. A few missed FGs can totally ruin a season. Why leave it to chance when you have the money available? Why leave certain positions up for grabs and cross your fingers over a million bucks? This season could end up being a perfect example. What if the Packers miss the playoffs by losing a tiebreaker?Wouldnt you say that TT leaving a few positions up to chance probably would have made the difference? How about in 2006 where the pack missed the playoffs based on a tiebreaker? This is what i just dont get. This is not the Conan Obrien show, I am sick of hearing about the future. I am sick of hearing about building a team through the draft. If the packers go 4-12, 8-8(miss the playoffs based on tiebreaker), 13-3, 8-8( miss the playoffs based on tiebreaker) that will be pitiful. 1 playoff game easily overcomes a few million extra spent, in the fans minds and on the books.

 

[sho nuff]

Im saying dont just forget that Murphy pick. And yes, it helps in that draft...the 3 guys I mention on their own were enough to make that a pretty good draft.

Poppinga has been starting for several years.

Why do you just have to have "better than solid".

He got a possible franchise QB, a possible pro bowl safety in that draft. Plus a starting OLB.

The next year he adds another starting OLB (not a stud I agree) and a stud WR in the 2nd in Jennings. In the 7th a starting DT who is one of the bright spots on this DLine this year.

THe next year, another starting WR, a starting FB (well, they rotate 2 of them) and a pretty good kicker.

I think these are solid drafts with as young as they are even more upside to them in the future.

Longwell wanted out. He got his wish. And Crosby has been pretty darn good and much better on kickoffs.

Frost was a mistake. Though, I can see why it was done. Ryan's net average has never been great...and last year his directional skills were not good. He had some very bad games too (the Chicago game was horrid). Frost was a directional specialist. His net numbers usually about what Ryan's were but better at pinning teams deep. Now, this year, Ryan improved his directional and pinning teams deep aspect. Frost got worse. I have no idea why...but he did.

It was a mistake and he missed on it.

But you also have to look at other guys he let go and how well it worked out.

Walker, Green, Flannagan, Rivera. What have those guys done since TT let them walk.

If the Packers do that...it will not be great...but not the end of the world. Not from what they started at and how the roster has changed. Its never been and overnight thing. Last year was a huge surprise for sure. But alot of things fell into place just right for it to happen too.

Wahle was a mistake. Plain and simple. I think TT did not like that cap situation and blew it up right then, but he could have found a way to keep Wahle.

I think they kept KGB and his $$$ too long as well.

 

[griz145389]

At this point I hope the Packers finish strong. I am ambivilent about them making the playoffs, which seems unlikely. Were they to make the playoffs I do not see them having success. I guess, rather than one and done I would prefer to see them lick some wounds, get healthy, feel angry, and draft high. I would prefer the organization have time to construct a good off season plan. I would prefer they have extra time to address thier free agency needs and to take care of their surgeries early. I would prefer then that they consider the free agency crop and spend the extra time scouting and prepping for the draft.Ultimately I do not think this team is far away from being a legit contender. If they can get healthy early, maybe get an impact D-lineman in F.A. and then add some help on the O-line in the draft and some youth at D.B. this team could be very competitive. their skill positions are fine. I believe they are close, but I actually believe making the playoffs this year would set them back.I am somewhat disappointed in this year, but I feel a down year occassionally is sometimes necessary to take a step forward. I generally like the direction of the club.

It would be great if the Packers did that in the offseason, but you have to remember, Ted does not sign free agents. Hopefully he drafts some decent players, although outside of wide receivers, I don't think he has done that great with the draft either.

Ryan Pickett, Charles Woodson, and Brandon Chillar would disagree with you that he does not sign free agents.Rodgers is a WR? Nick Collins? John Jolly?

I should have said outside of receivers and Rodgers. Sure Collins and Jolly are decent, but they aren't anything phenomenal either. I realize he does sign free agents. I was using hyperbole. He just does not sign many free agents that are going to be "impact" players like the original poster said. Other than Charles Woodson, he has not signed an impact free agent.

Quick name me the impact free agents the Colts have signed over the past 10 years? Can you do it?Pickett had an impact last season as well.And Collins had been playing more than decent and is still on many analysts pro-bowl lists to start for the NFC.

I wasn't discussing the Colts. Pickett played pretty well last year. However he doesn't look that great this year. Overall I would say he has been ok. Collins is very good at ball-hawking. Other than that I have not been really impressed with him though.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Im saying dont just forget that Murphy pick. And yes, it helps in that draft...the 3 guys I mention on their own were enough to make that a pretty good draft.Poppinga has been starting for several years.Why do you just have to have "better than solid".He got a possible franchise QB, a possible pro bowl safety in that draft. Plus a starting OLB.The next year he adds another starting OLB (not a stud I agree) and a stud WR in the 2nd in Jennings. In the 7th a starting DT who is one of the bright spots on this DLine this year.THe next year, another starting WR, a starting FB (well, they rotate 2 of them) and a pretty good kicker.I think these are solid drafts with as young as they are even more upside to them in the future.Longwell wanted out. He got his wish. And Crosby has been pretty darn good and much better on kickoffs.Frost was a mistake. Though, I can see why it was done. Ryan's net average has never been great...and last year his directional skills were not good. He had some very bad games too (the Chicago game was horrid). Frost was a directional specialist. His net numbers usually about what Ryan's were but better at pinning teams deep. Now, this year, Ryan improved his directional and pinning teams deep aspect. Frost got worse. I have no idea why...but he did.It was a mistake and he missed on it.But you also have to look at other guys he let go and how well it worked out.Walker, Green, Flannagan, Rivera. What have those guys done since TT let them walk.If the Packers do that...it will not be great...but not the end of the world. Not from what they started at and how the roster has changed. Its never been and overnight thing. Last year was a huge surprise for sure. But alot of things fell into place just right for it to happen too.Wahle was a mistake. Plain and simple. I think TT did not like that cap situation and blew it up right then, but he could have found a way to keep Wahle.I think they kept KGB and his $$$ too long as well.

i have no problem letting a guy walk, if its for the right reasons. Longwell wanted out because TT lowballed him. It was about the money. Sure Crosby has been good, but how long did that take? Has the 2 million per year we would have had to pay longwell ever been an issue? As far as cap situation I am pretty sure the Packers were 35 million under the cap when they blew up the Oline. Then they brought in whiffs like odwyer and klemm. Then we had to draft guys to replace those guys. It really does seem that across the board he wants his own guys at every spot. I think thats why people feel he has such a big ego.

 

[sho nuff]

At this point I hope the Packers finish strong. I am ambivilent about them making the playoffs, which seems unlikely. Were they to make the playoffs I do not see them having success. I guess, rather than one and done I would prefer to see them lick some wounds, get healthy, feel angry, and draft high. I would prefer the organization have time to construct a good off season plan. I would prefer they have extra time to address thier free agency needs and to take care of their surgeries early. I would prefer then that they consider the free agency crop and spend the extra time scouting and prepping for the draft.Ultimately I do not think this team is far away from being a legit contender. If they can get healthy early, maybe get an impact D-lineman in F.A. and then add some help on the O-line in the draft and some youth at D.B. this team could be very competitive. their skill positions are fine. I believe they are close, but I actually believe making the playoffs this year would set them back.I am somewhat disappointed in this year, but I feel a down year occassionally is sometimes necessary to take a step forward. I generally like the direction of the club.

It would be great if the Packers did that in the offseason, but you have to remember, Ted does not sign free agents. Hopefully he drafts some decent players, although outside of wide receivers, I don't think he has done that great with the draft either.

Ryan Pickett, Charles Woodson, and Brandon Chillar would disagree with you that he does not sign free agents.Rodgers is a WR? Nick Collins? John Jolly?

I should have said outside of receivers and Rodgers. Sure Collins and Jolly are decent, but they aren't anything phenomenal either. I realize he does sign free agents. I was using hyperbole. He just does not sign many free agents that are going to be "impact" players like the original poster said. Other than Charles Woodson, he has not signed an impact free agent.

Quick name me the impact free agents the Colts have signed over the past 10 years? Can you do it?Pickett had an impact last season as well.And Collins had been playing more than decent and is still on many analysts pro-bowl lists to start for the NFC.

I wasn't discussing the Colts. Pickett played pretty well last year. However he doesn't look that great this year. Overall I would say he has been ok. Collins is very good at ball-hawking. Other than that I have not been really impressed with him though.

The point about the Colts is this...there is not just one way to build a team.Some do it mostly through the draft...some dabble a little in FA...some go overboard in FA. There is no one way to do it.Agreed on Pickett...and some of that hurts the LBs as well.Its weird on Collins...last year he was lacking in that, but decent in run support. I actually thought he might be on the way out with the way Rouse was making some plays.Now Rouse and Bigby are slowed by injuries and not as effective and Collins has played well.

 

[sho nuff]

Im saying dont just forget that Murphy pick. And yes, it helps in that draft...the 3 guys I mention on their own were enough to make that a pretty good draft.Poppinga has been starting for several years.Why do you just have to have "better than solid".He got a possible franchise QB, a possible pro bowl safety in that draft. Plus a starting OLB.The next year he adds another starting OLB (not a stud I agree) and a stud WR in the 2nd in Jennings. In the 7th a starting DT who is one of the bright spots on this DLine this year.THe next year, another starting WR, a starting FB (well, they rotate 2 of them) and a pretty good kicker.I think these are solid drafts with as young as they are even more upside to them in the future.Longwell wanted out. He got his wish. And Crosby has been pretty darn good and much better on kickoffs.Frost was a mistake. Though, I can see why it was done. Ryan's net average has never been great...and last year his directional skills were not good. He had some very bad games too (the Chicago game was horrid). Frost was a directional specialist. His net numbers usually about what Ryan's were but better at pinning teams deep. Now, this year, Ryan improved his directional and pinning teams deep aspect. Frost got worse. I have no idea why...but he did.It was a mistake and he missed on it.But you also have to look at other guys he let go and how well it worked out.Walker, Green, Flannagan, Rivera. What have those guys done since TT let them walk.If the Packers do that...it will not be great...but not the end of the world. Not from what they started at and how the roster has changed. Its never been and overnight thing. Last year was a huge surprise for sure. But alot of things fell into place just right for it to happen too.Wahle was a mistake. Plain and simple. I think TT did not like that cap situation and blew it up right then, but he could have found a way to keep Wahle.I think they kept KGB and his $$$ too long as well.

i have no problem letting a guy walk, if its for the right reasons. Longwell wanted out because TT lowballed him. It was about the money. Sure Crosby has been good, but how long did that take? Has the 2 million per year we would have had to pay longwell ever been an issue? As far as cap situation I am pretty sure the Packers were 35 million under the cap when they blew up the Oline. Then they brought in whiffs like odwyer and klemm. Then we had to draft guys to replace those guys. It really does seem that across the board he wants his own guys at every spot. I think thats why people feel he has such a big ego.

35 million under when they blew it up?Im pretty sure you are incorrect. They were over the cap at that point.That was the same year Walker wanted more money and I think they let Sharper go then too.They could not afford both Guards without some major reworking...though, I think with minimal pain they could have kept Wahle.As for his own guys.It may seem that way...though, he still keeps paying guys that were not his.Harris, Kampman, Driver, Barnett...THough, All GM's have egos...I don't think its possible to find one that does not have a big ego.

 

[Aaronstory]

Im saying dont just forget that Murphy pick. And yes, it helps in that draft...the 3 guys I mention on their own were enough to make that a pretty good draft.

Poppinga has been starting for several years.

Why do you just have to have "better than solid".

He got a possible franchise QB, a possible pro bowl safety in that draft. Plus a starting OLB.

The next year he adds another starting OLB (not a stud I agree) and a stud WR in the 2nd in Jennings. In the 7th a starting DT who is one of the bright spots on this DLine this year.

THe next year, another starting WR, a starting FB (well, they rotate 2 of them) and a pretty good kicker.

I think these are solid drafts with as young as they are even more upside to them in the future.

Longwell wanted out. He got his wish. And Crosby has been pretty darn good and much better on kickoffs.

Frost was a mistake. Though, I can see why it was done. Ryan's net average has never been great...and last year his directional skills were not good. He had some very bad games too (the Chicago game was horrid). Frost was a directional specialist. His net numbers usually about what Ryan's were but better at pinning teams deep. Now, this year, Ryan improved his directional and pinning teams deep aspect. Frost got worse. I have no idea why...but he did.

It was a mistake and he missed on it.

But you also have to look at other guys he let go and how well it worked out.

Walker, Green, Flannagan, Rivera. What have those guys done since TT let them walk.

If the Packers do that...it will not be great...but not the end of the world. Not from what they started at and how the roster has changed. Its never been and overnight thing. Last year was a huge surprise for sure. But alot of things fell into place just right for it to happen too.

Wahle was a mistake. Plain and simple. I think TT did not like that cap situation and blew it up right then, but he could have found a way to keep Wahle.

I think they kept KGB and his $$ too long as well.

As far as cap situation I am pretty sure the Packers were 35 million under the cap when they blew up the Oline.

More like 3.

 

[Aaronstory]

How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now?

Packers Mgmt = Relieved / Satisfied

I'm sure they are with that 5-7 record 30-30 overall and probably missing the playoffs for 3 years out of the last 4. Thompson is also ignoring the media. I'm sure they are satisfied!

You're being deliberately obtuse. Yes, Thompson has a ton of issues to deal with - but as FAR AS THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD - the trade of Favre to make way for Rodgers - I am sure management is more than satisfied. Talk about

So you are happy the management is more than satisfied with a 5-7 start with Rodgers..0-7 when down at halftime and 0-4 when trying to win the game in crunch time. Good to know you are happy that the GB management is satisfied with that.

Where did I say that? Oh, that's right, I didn't.

It is easily implied by what you wrote. You stated the management is more than satisfied.

WITH THE DECISION TO TRADE FAVRE AND GO WITH RODGERS.

 

[sho nuff]

Im saying dont just forget that Murphy pick. And yes, it helps in that draft...the 3 guys I mention on their own were enough to make that a pretty good draft.

Poppinga has been starting for several years.

Why do you just have to have "better than solid".

He got a possible franchise QB, a possible pro bowl safety in that draft. Plus a starting OLB.

The next year he adds another starting OLB (not a stud I agree) and a stud WR in the 2nd in Jennings. In the 7th a starting DT who is one of the bright spots on this DLine this year.

THe next year, another starting WR, a starting FB (well, they rotate 2 of them) and a pretty good kicker.

I think these are solid drafts with as young as they are even more upside to them in the future.

Longwell wanted out. He got his wish. And Crosby has been pretty darn good and much better on kickoffs.

Frost was a mistake. Though, I can see why it was done. Ryan's net average has never been great...and last year his directional skills were not good. He had some very bad games too (the Chicago game was horrid). Frost was a directional specialist. His net numbers usually about what Ryan's were but better at pinning teams deep. Now, this year, Ryan improved his directional and pinning teams deep aspect. Frost got worse. I have no idea why...but he did.

It was a mistake and he missed on it.

But you also have to look at other guys he let go and how well it worked out.

Walker, Green, Flannagan, Rivera. What have those guys done since TT let them walk.

If the Packers do that...it will not be great...but not the end of the world. Not from what they started at and how the roster has changed. Its never been and overnight thing. Last year was a huge surprise for sure. But alot of things fell into place just right for it to happen too.

Wahle was a mistake. Plain and simple. I think TT did not like that cap situation and blew it up right then, but he could have found a way to keep Wahle.

I think they kept KGB and his $$ too long as well.

As far as cap situation I am pretty sure the Packers were 35 million under the cap when they blew up the Oline.

More like 3.

By releasing him they saved about 11 million in cap space.Rivera I believe was a free agent. They did try with him...but Dallas blew him away with the offer (and it was more than just about anyone thought he was worth).

And how did that work out for Dallas? I don't think he played much. Like Flanagan the next year when he was let go and went to Houston.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Im saying dont just forget that Murphy pick. And yes, it helps in that draft...the 3 guys I mention on their own were enough to make that a pretty good draft.

Poppinga has been starting for several years.

Why do you just have to have "better than solid".

He got a possible franchise QB, a possible pro bowl safety in that draft. Plus a starting OLB.

The next year he adds another starting OLB (not a stud I agree) and a stud WR in the 2nd in Jennings. In the 7th a starting DT who is one of the bright spots on this DLine this year.

THe next year, another starting WR, a starting FB (well, they rotate 2 of them) and a pretty good kicker.

I think these are solid drafts with as young as they are even more upside to them in the future.

Longwell wanted out. He got his wish. And Crosby has been pretty darn good and much better on kickoffs.

Frost was a mistake. Though, I can see why it was done. Ryan's net average has never been great...and last year his directional skills were not good. He had some very bad games too (the Chicago game was horrid). Frost was a directional specialist. His net numbers usually about what Ryan's were but better at pinning teams deep. Now, this year, Ryan improved his directional and pinning teams deep aspect. Frost got worse. I have no idea why...but he did.

It was a mistake and he missed on it.

But you also have to look at other guys he let go and how well it worked out.

Walker, Green, Flannagan, Rivera. What have those guys done since TT let them walk.

If the Packers do that...it will not be great...but not the end of the world. Not from what they started at and how the roster has changed. Its never been and overnight thing. Last year was a huge surprise for sure. But alot of things fell into place just right for it to happen too.

Wahle was a mistake. Plain and simple. I think TT did not like that cap situation and blew it up right then, but he could have found a way to keep Wahle.

I think they kept KGB and his $$ too long as well.

As far as cap situation I am pretty sure the Packers were 35 million under the cap when they blew up the Oline.

More like 3.

ok did some more looking the article i read mentioned them being 35 million under and rolling the dice. It was regarding the 2006 season not 2005, but it was mentioning TT letting go. This article was written around the same time John clayton published this and apparently they took a little creative liberty. Sorry I was wrong and should have read a bit more thoroughly. After the initial FA period it appears they were 23.1 million under.

Best i can find for 2005 has them at 6.09 million under.

 

[Challenge Everything]

This thread would be much easier to read if people knew how to write in paragraph form.

~27.8%

 

[Aaronstory]

Im saying dont just forget that Murphy pick. And yes, it helps in that draft...the 3 guys I mention on their own were enough to make that a pretty good draft.

Poppinga has been starting for several years.

Why do you just have to have "better than solid".

He got a possible franchise QB, a possible pro bowl safety in that draft. Plus a starting OLB.

The next year he adds another starting OLB (not a stud I agree) and a stud WR in the 2nd in Jennings. In the 7th a starting DT who is one of the bright spots on this DLine this year.

THe next year, another starting WR, a starting FB (well, they rotate 2 of them) and a pretty good kicker.

I think these are solid drafts with as young as they are even more upside to them in the future.

Longwell wanted out. He got his wish. And Crosby has been pretty darn good and much better on kickoffs.

Frost was a mistake. Though, I can see why it was done. Ryan's net average has never been great...and last year his directional skills were not good. He had some very bad games too (the Chicago game was horrid). Frost was a directional specialist. His net numbers usually about what Ryan's were but better at pinning teams deep. Now, this year, Ryan improved his directional and pinning teams deep aspect. Frost got worse. I have no idea why...but he did.

It was a mistake and he missed on it.

But you also have to look at other guys he let go and how well it worked out.

Walker, Green, Flannagan, Rivera. What have those guys done since TT let them walk.

If the Packers do that...it will not be great...but not the end of the world. Not from what they started at and how the roster has changed. Its never been and overnight thing. Last year was a huge surprise for sure. But alot of things fell into place just right for it to happen too.

Wahle was a mistake. Plain and simple. I think TT did not like that cap situation and blew it up right then, but he could have found a way to keep Wahle.

I think they kept KGB and his $ too long as well.

As far as cap situation I am pretty sure the Packers were 35 million under the cap when they blew up the Oline.

More like 3.

By releasing him they saved about 11 million in cap space.Rivera I believe was a free agent. They did try with him...but Dallas blew him away with the offer (and it was more than just about anyone thought he was worth).

And how did that work out for Dallas? I don't think he played much. Like Flanagan the next year when he was let go and went to Houston.

Exactly. That's something that Thompson has done well - not over-value his own players. Ahman Green is another example.

 

[Aaronstory]

Im saying dont just forget that Murphy pick. And yes, it helps in that draft...the 3 guys I mention on their own were enough to make that a pretty good draft.

Poppinga has been starting for several years.

Why do you just have to have "better than solid".

He got a possible franchise QB, a possible pro bowl safety in that draft. Plus a starting OLB.

The next year he adds another starting OLB (not a stud I agree) and a stud WR in the 2nd in Jennings. In the 7th a starting DT who is one of the bright spots on this DLine this year.

THe next year, another starting WR, a starting FB (well, they rotate 2 of them) and a pretty good kicker.

I think these are solid drafts with as young as they are even more upside to them in the future.

Longwell wanted out. He got his wish. And Crosby has been pretty darn good and much better on kickoffs.

Frost was a mistake. Though, I can see why it was done. Ryan's net average has never been great...and last year his directional skills were not good. He had some very bad games too (the Chicago game was horrid). Frost was a directional specialist. His net numbers usually about what Ryan's were but better at pinning teams deep. Now, this year, Ryan improved his directional and pinning teams deep aspect. Frost got worse. I have no idea why...but he did.

It was a mistake and he missed on it.

But you also have to look at other guys he let go and how well it worked out.

Walker, Green, Flannagan, Rivera. What have those guys done since TT let them walk.

If the Packers do that...it will not be great...but not the end of the world. Not from what they started at and how the roster has changed. Its never been and overnight thing. Last year was a huge surprise for sure. But alot of things fell into place just right for it to happen too.

Wahle was a mistake. Plain and simple. I think TT did not like that cap situation and blew it up right then, but he could have found a way to keep Wahle.

I think they kept KGB and his $ too long as well.

As far as cap situation I am pretty sure the Packers were 35 million under the cap when they blew up the Oline.

More like 3.

ok did some more looking the article i read mentioned them being 35 million under and rolling the dice. It was regarding the 2006 season not 2005, but it was mentioning TT letting go. This article was written around the same time John clayton published this and apparently they took a little creative liberty. Sorry I was wrong and should have read a bit more thoroughly. After the initial FA period it appears they were 23.1 million under.

Best i can find for 2005 has them at 6.09 million under.

Understood. People think of the Packers as being so far under the cap with Thompson, they forget that he got a team that Sherman had right up against it almost every year.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Andrew Brandt has written some great articles about the negotiations with Green and Rivera on nationalfootballpost.com, if anyone is interested in reading a first-hand account. And you should be, 'cos they're fun to read.

 

[sho nuff]

Im saying dont just forget that Murphy pick. And yes, it helps in that draft...the 3 guys I mention on their own were enough to make that a pretty good draft.

Poppinga has been starting for several years.

Why do you just have to have "better than solid".

He got a possible franchise QB, a possible pro bowl safety in that draft. Plus a starting OLB.

The next year he adds another starting OLB (not a stud I agree) and a stud WR in the 2nd in Jennings. In the 7th a starting DT who is one of the bright spots on this DLine this year.

THe next year, another starting WR, a starting FB (well, they rotate 2 of them) and a pretty good kicker.

I think these are solid drafts with as young as they are even more upside to them in the future.

Longwell wanted out. He got his wish. And Crosby has been pretty darn good and much better on kickoffs.

Frost was a mistake. Though, I can see why it was done. Ryan's net average has never been great...and last year his directional skills were not good. He had some very bad games too (the Chicago game was horrid). Frost was a directional specialist. His net numbers usually about what Ryan's were but better at pinning teams deep. Now, this year, Ryan improved his directional and pinning teams deep aspect. Frost got worse. I have no idea why...but he did.

It was a mistake and he missed on it.

But you also have to look at other guys he let go and how well it worked out.

Walker, Green, Flannagan, Rivera. What have those guys done since TT let them walk.

If the Packers do that...it will not be great...but not the end of the world. Not from what they started at and how the roster has changed. Its never been and overnight thing. Last year was a huge surprise for sure. But alot of things fell into place just right for it to happen too.

Wahle was a mistake. Plain and simple. I think TT did not like that cap situation and blew it up right then, but he could have found a way to keep Wahle.

I think they kept KGB and his $ too long as well.

As far as cap situation I am pretty sure the Packers were 35 million under the cap when they blew up the Oline.

More like 3.

By releasing him they saved about 11 million in cap space.Rivera I believe was a free agent. They did try with him...but Dallas blew him away with the offer (and it was more than just about anyone thought he was worth).

And how did that work out for Dallas? I don't think he played much. Like Flanagan the next year when he was let go and went to Houston.

Exactly. That's something that Thompson has done well - not over-value his own players. Ahman Green is another example.

Yeah...they wanted to keep him too...but Houston put out a ton of money.Also read where Brandt really wanted Lavar Arrington and were going after he and Woodson that year. Arrington was close and everyone on staff loved him...but he got a bigger offer and went elsewhere. Woodson they got.

That one worked out well.

 

[sho nuff]

Andrew Brandt has written some great articles about the negotiations with Green and Rivera on nationalfootballpost.com, if anyone is interested in reading a first-hand account. And you should be, 'cos they're fun to read.

That site is a must read every day for me.Love the insight from a guy that was in the league for a bit.And that was one of TT's blunders to me...not keeping Brandt on board.

 

[Aaronstory]

Andrew Brandt has written some great articles about the negotiations with Green and Rivera on nationalfootballpost.com, if anyone is interested in reading a first-hand account. And you should be, 'cos they're fun to read.

Great guy. His bio and columns are here:http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/author/andrew-brandt/

My interview with him (shameless plug alert) is here:

http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/andrew-brandt...ad-tv-interview

He was incredibly courteous and helpful when we started our website. He never talked to us on the record when he worked for the Packers, but he agreed to a (very vanilla) interview once he started NFP. All around good guy.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Oh yeah, I post NFP comments and (once, at least) on your blog as "DL". I need to get some brand consistency going here.

 

[Kleck]

Andrew Brandt has written some great articles about the negotiations with Green and Rivera on nationalfootballpost.com, if anyone is interested in reading a first-hand account. And you should be, 'cos they're fun to read.

That site is a must read every day for me.Love the insight from a guy that was in the league for a bit.And that was one of TT's blunders to me...not keeping Brandt on board.

The Board of Directors make a call like this.Brandt was not offered the CEO position, and there was no other position he could take that would be a step up in the organization. Because of that he moved on.

 

[sho nuff]

Andrew Brandt has written some great articles about the negotiations with Green and Rivera on nationalfootballpost.com, if anyone is interested in reading a first-hand account. And you should be, 'cos they're fun to read.

That site is a must read every day for me.Love the insight from a guy that was in the league for a bit.And that was one of TT's blunders to me...not keeping Brandt on board.

The Board of Directors make a call like this.Brandt was not offered the CEO position, and there was no other position he could take that would be a step up in the organization. Because of that he moved on.

I thought I read where TT did not extend his contract. Maybe the board did not. But his contract was up and they did not offer him another.I could be wrong...IMO, EDIT:...not sure where I read that above...but yes, he did leave on his own after not getting the CEO job.I would have loved to seen him stay around...very smart guy who did a pretty good job while there.

 

[Aaronstory]

Oh yeah, I post NFP comments and (once, at least) on your blog as "DL". I need to get some brand consistency going here.

Lol. Happy to have you, whatever the handle.

 

[Aaronstory]

Andrew Brandt has written some great articles about the negotiations with Green and Rivera on nationalfootballpost.com, if anyone is interested in reading a first-hand account. And you should be, 'cos they're fun to read.

That site is a must read every day for me.

Love the insight from a guy that was in the league for a bit.

And that was one of TT's blunders to me...not keeping Brandt on board.

The Board of Directors make a call like this.Brandt was not offered the CEO position, and there was no other position he could take that would be a step up in the organization. Because of that he moved on.

I thought I read where TT did not extend his contract. Maybe the board did not. But his contract was up and they did not offer him another.I could be wrong...IMO, I would have loved to seen him stay around...very smart guy who did a pretty good job while there.

This was def Thompson's call:Andrew Brandt didn't just leave his job last month as the Green Bay Packers' vice president of player finance. His contract was not renewed by Ted Thompson, the team's general manager.

 

[Kleck]

Andrew Brandt has written some great articles about the negotiations with Green and Rivera on nationalfootballpost.com, if anyone is interested in reading a first-hand account. And you should be, 'cos they're fun to read.

That site is a must read every day for me.

Love the insight from a guy that was in the league for a bit.

And that was one of TT's blunders to me...not keeping Brandt on board.

The Board of Directors make a call like this.Brandt was not offered the CEO position, and there was no other position he could take that would be a step up in the organization. Because of that he moved on.

I thought I read where TT did not extend his contract. Maybe the board did not. But his contract was up and they did not offer him another.I could be wrong...IMO, I would have loved to seen him stay around...very smart guy who did a pretty good job while there.

This was def Thompson's call:Andrew Brandt didn't just leave his job last month as the Green Bay Packers' vice president of player finance. His contract was not renewed by Ted Thompson, the team's general manager.

My point was about the CEO position and that TT does not decide who his boss and CEO is going to be. When Brandt didn't get the CEO position, I believed the witting was on the wall that he would be moving on. Regardless of Brandt's contract being extended or not.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

This was def Thompson's call:

Andrew Brandt didn't just leave his job last month as the Green Bay Packers' vice president of player finance. His contract was not renewed by Ted Thompson, the team's general manager.

Huh, this is surprising to me because, if I have learned anything from Brandt's columns on player negotiations in Green Bay, it is that he has a very similar outlook on which guys to sign/not to sign as Thompson. When I read Brandt's posts, it emphasizes to me that it is NOT a place where one guy, Thompson, is making unilateral personnel decisions. It's a system that the team management is on board with. But I realize that for some fans upset re: Favre or this season's record, Thompson is the logical target.edit: well, regarding Kleck's post just above this one, the end result is that I'm disappointed GB couldn't hold onto a good personnel guy who will clearly work for another NFL team whenever he chooses to.

 

[sho nuff]

Yeah...it might have been from that. Though, I take much of mcginn's stuff with a grain of salt.

 

[sho nuff]

This was def Thompson's call:

Andrew Brandt didn't just leave his job last month as the Green Bay Packers' vice president of player finance. His contract was not renewed by Ted Thompson, the team's general manager.

Huh, this is surprising to me because, if I have learned anything from Brandt's columns on player negotiations in Green Bay, it is that he has a very similar outlook on which guys to sign/not to sign as Thompson. When I read Brandt's posts, it emphasizes to me that it is NOT a place where one guy, Thompson, is making unilateral personnel decisions. It's a system that the team management is on board with. But I realize that for some fans upset re: Favre or this season's record, Thompson is the logical target.edit: well, regarding Kleck's post just above this one, the end result is that I'm disappointed GB couldn't hold onto a good personnel guy who will clearly work for another NFL team whenever he chooses to.

Agreed. on the management style in GB.McGinn wrote about that as well. That all persons involved in football operations were in on the decisions involving Favre this summer and all were in agreement.

It was not just a TT move but of course he will get the blame by fans and such. Its why when people say he will be fired or should be, I tend to laugh as those who decide his fate are in agreement with the moves he has made.

 

[ScottyFargo]

5-8.

 

[zDragon]

5-8.

No need to bump. The problems are obvious when losing to a weaker defense and having a +3 turn over difference.

 

[Das Boot]

5-8.

Another sucky defensive effort by Rodgers.

 

[Sabertooth]

Rodgers did enough to win again, this defense reminds me of a Mike SHerman d.

 

[zDragon]

Rodgers did enough to win again, this defense reminds me of a Mike SHerman d.

yawn. Very old +3 in turn-overs for the pack. Yet they only score 21. Once turn-over starts them on the 20 or they only put up 14 points.Once again the Packers offense had the chance at the end of the game and end up punting. Texans offense in the same situation with the defense allowing EXACTLY the same amount of points get the job done versus punting.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Rodgers did enough to win again, this defense reminds me of a Mike SHerman d.

yawn. Very old +3 in turn-overs for the pack. Yet they only score 21. Once turn-over starts them on the 20 or they only put up 14 points.Once again the Packers offense had the chance at the end of the game and end up punting. Texans offense in the same situation with the defense allowing EXACTLY the same amount of points get the job done versus punting.

That's pretty much how I see it as well. This time the D couldn't stop the scoring drive, but all the same the last time the O had the ball they didn't get it done. Scored points off of the D's turnovers, what do you want?

 

[zDragon]

Rodgers did enough to win again, this defense reminds me of a Mike SHerman d.

yawn. Very old +3 in turn-overs for the pack. Yet they only score 21. Once turn-over starts them on the 20 or they only put up 14 points.Once again the Packers offense had the chance at the end of the game and end up punting. Texans offense in the same situation with the defense allowing EXACTLY the same amount of points get the job done versus punting.

That's pretty much how I see it as well. This time the D couldn't stop the scoring drive, but all the same the last time the O had the ball they didn't get it done. Scored points off of the D's turnovers, what do you want?

A more consistent offense that doesn't need all the turn-overs versus a bad team to come close and still lose it. To me this should have been a blow-out by the Packers.

 

[nathanbalboa]

As a long-time Packers fan surrounded by family and friends who talk about firing McCarthy and hating Thompson for life, I guess I have a different view on this season and Rodgers. I think this team is young and has a lot of talent, but need some more experience, better play from their special teams and to solidify their lines, especially on D. It's also clear that this team doesn't know how to finish games (on offense or defense), but I think they're learning valuable lessons this year, which has led to some disappointing losses. I think Thompson will make the necessary personnel adjustments in the offseason and with the added experience from this season, the Packers will be a very good team in 2009. I know it's all about "now" amomng NFL fans and while it's been a tough year, I think it's serving a bigger purpose. This team is still fun to watch, the talent is definitely there and I think they're growing as a team. I can see a lot of these core players making a few championship runs in the near future.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Rodgers did enough to win again, this defense reminds me of a Mike SHerman d.

Just an opinion, so if you disagree, fine. But - from teh games I have watched, Rodgers does not have the same intangibles that Favre had/has. Rodgers does not inspire confidence, nor does he appear to "take charge" as you need a leader to do at times. He seems to be simply going about his business in a workman-like manner.Packers made a mistake in disrupting the chemistry of a team that has a small window to be championship-caliber. It may work out in the long-run, but in the short-run, it was a bad decision - and poorly handled at that. The bonus is they will get a decent draft pick out of the deal.Unfortunately it will come at the expense of another championship run.

 

[Badm]

Rodgers did enough to win again, this defense reminds me of a Mike SHerman d.

Just an opinion, so if you disagree, fine. But - from teh games I have watched, Rodgers does not have the same intangibles that Favre had/has. Rodgers does not inspire confidence, nor does he appear to "take charge" as you need a leader to do at times. He seems to be simply going about his business in a workman-like manner.Packers made a mistake in disrupting the chemistry of a team that has a small window to be championship-caliber. It may work out in the long-run, but in the short-run, it was a bad decision - and poorly handled at that. The bonus is they will get a decent draft pick out of the deal.Unfortunately it will come at the expense of another championship run.

DUH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a Bears fan, what a great day!!!!!

 

[JFT Ben]

That's pretty much how I see it as well. This time the D couldn't stop the scoring drive, but all the same the last time the O had the ball they didn't get it done. Scored points off of the D's turnovers, what do you want?

A phantom holding call on Moll after a 10+ yard Grant run with around 3 minutes left was the difference in a game that could have gone either way. Def. sucked again (defense or coaching call??) at the end (despite TO's in the game). Another "close but no cigar" game. Very disappointing as a fan. I'm not on the run MM and TT out of town bandwagon though. I am on the "run Sanders out of town" club though. At least the punter was decent today (though ST still gave up some big returns, IMO Stock is gone after the season too).Looking ahead, I expect big things next year w/ an easier schedule and small number of UFA's (Tauscher is the only one that comes to mind). If not, I will likely be considering jumping on the craptastic Favre-lover bandwagon.

 

[VTjkru]

I dont know why Im even participating in this thread, there's bad posting after bad posting in it. I figured Id just throw another grenade for others to jump on.

You have a team that is (prior to this week, but I will assume that these stats didnt fluctuate all that much) 5th in average points, 12th in average yards, 10th in pass yards, and 18th in rush yards while on the defensive side of the ball they are 22nd in average points, 16th in yards, 5th in pass yards, and 27th in rush yards....and somehow the Packers record falls on Rodgers shoulders?

Right now Rodgers has 22 TDs, which puts him I think in the top 5 for QBs or top three after this week. In the Packers losses this year, they have lost by a total of 56 points. So a touchdown difference in each game if you were to average it out. So if Rodgers was able to lead seven more touchdown drives right now, the Packers would probably be undefeated...ALSO the Rodgers would be leading the NFL in MVP votes right now and would be putting up numbers far superior than any other QB in the league right now. So again...the Packers record falls on Rodgers shoulders?

Give me a break, Rodgers is having a good to great year and having a better year than a vast majority of the league. If the Packers had even a half way decent defense then this thread would have died a long time ago.

 

[sho nuff]

5-8.

No need to bump. The problems are obvious when losing to a weaker defense and having a +3 turn over difference.

Yes...they are obvious. Its not all one phase of the game.Both were not great today.Offense was inconsistent and you can't give up that sack like Rodgers did...or have that hold (or the mutliple other penalties negating big gains).You also cannot give up that last drive if you are the defense.

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers did enough to win again, this defense reminds me of a Mike SHerman d.

yawn. Very old +3 in turn-overs for the pack. Yet they only score 21. Once turn-over starts them on the 20 or they only put up 14 points.Once again the Packers offense had the chance at the end of the game and end up punting. Texans offense in the same situation with the defense allowing EXACTLY the same amount of points get the job done versus punting.

Over 400 yards passing for Schaub and 120 rushing for Slaton.It obviously not just the offense now is it?

 

[zDragon]

I dont know why Im even participating in this thread, there's bad posting after bad posting in it. I figured Id just throw another grenade for others to jump on.

You have a team that is (prior to this week, but I will assume that these stats didnt fluctuate all that much) 5th in average points, 12th in average yards, 10th in pass yards, and 18th in rush yards while on the defensive side of the ball they are 22nd in average points, 16th in yards, 5th in pass yards, and 27th in rush yards....and somehow the Packers record falls on Rodgers shoulders?

Right now Rodgers has 22 TDs, which puts him I think in the top 5 for QBs or top three after this week. In the Packers losses this year, they have lost by a total of 56 points. So a touchdown difference in each game if you were to average it out. So if Rodgers was able to lead seven more touchdown drives right now, the Packers would probably be undefeated...ALSO the Rodgers would be leading the NFL in MVP votes right now and would be putting up numbers far superior than any other QB in the league right now. So again...the Packers record falls on Rodgers shoulders?

Give me a break, Rodgers is having a good to great year and having a better year than a vast majority of the league. If the Packers had even a half way decent defense then this thread would have died a long time ago.

Please look at Football Outsiders breakdown. The offense is worse in every category overall with the most important being successful drives and pts scored per drive. The defense is rated higher than last year.They break down all plays and situations. So that the defense starting to defend on say the 20yd line like the Texans had to today is taken into account. Also look at the drop the defense had on starting LOS. They went from 4th to 28th or some such. This is directly related to the offense not having successful drives which we saw again today.

Understand that the Packers had a +3 turn-over rate and one of Rodgers touchdowns you mentioned was because the Defense gave him the ball on the 20yd line.

Why couldn't the great numbers you mention deliver a successful drive at the end of the game? I mean after all both defenses had given up 21 points up to then. If with 4:30 or so left the offense drove the field to FG position or acutally scored then it's game over.

Instead Schaub did what Rodgers should have with only a 1:30 left. Of course his defense had only given up 21 points which is huge compared to the 21 the Packers gave up.

Continue to blame the defense that kept you in the game while your offense struggled.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Rodgers did enough to win again, this defense reminds me of a Mike SHerman d.

yawn. Very old +3 in turn-overs for the pack. Yet they only score 21. Once turn-over starts them on the 20 or they only put up 14 points.Once again the Packers offense had the chance at the end of the game and end up punting. Texans offense in the same situation with the defense allowing EXACTLY the same amount of points get the job done versus punting.

Over 400 yards passing for Schaub and 120 rushing for Slaton.It obviously not just the offense now is it?

No, the WHOLE TEAM IS TERRIBLE, as was the decision to rush with Rodgers this year.