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HS Players Cheapshot Ref For Making Bad Call (1 Viewer)

To me, it doesn't matter if the coach told them. That doesn't get them off the hook. Just because the coach ordered the Code Red doesn't exonerate Dawson and Downey.
Wasn't this week's ago? It's just now coming out that the coach told them to do it?First it was an accident, then the referee was racist, and now the coach made them do it. Where are the parents in all of this? These guys need to learn to take some responsibility.
The story is now that the coach told them to do it because he cheated them and used racial slurs. They are doubling down on the excuses here and going all in.
The coach was a racist now too? :lmao:

 
He must have lost a fight with a barber. He looks ridiculous. I can't imagine someone actually paying to get that haircut unless it was a dare or something like that.

 
Props to the third kid who realized his coach was an idiot and passed on hitting the ref.

Ruined his street cred which is risky in that neighborhood, but I support the decision anyway :thumbup:

 
To me, it doesn't matter if the coach told them. That doesn't get them off the hook. Just because the coach ordered the Code Red doesn't exonerate Dawson and Downey.
Wasn't this week's ago? It's just now coming out that the coach told them to do it?First it was an accident, then the referee was racist, and now the coach made them do it. Where are the parents in all of this? These guys need to learn to take some responsibility.
The story is now that the coach told them to do it because he cheated them and used racial slurs. They are doubling down on the excuses here and going all in.
The coach was a racist now too? :lmao:
No. That's my bad. The coach said the ref was racist and cheated them.

 
Good lord.

If there is any truth to this story about the coach telling them to stick the ref...#### all 3 of them.

But Im having a hard time believing these two future Rhodes scholars.

Either way, these kids are losers.

 
I love where their attorney said it was an "accident" and the were punished enough. That was no accident and that POS attorney needs something bad happen to him, like getting that mullet haircut... Now that is an accident.

 
Dark Matter said:
Still sticking to the racial slur thing? That's a bold strategy...let's see if it pays off for him.
I'll be honest, if I heard a ref using racial slurs, the night would more than likely end with me getting arrested. Having kids take care of it is chicken #### and Im guessing he's lying about the slurs.

 
Dark Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.

 
Dark Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
Schtick?

 
Dark Matter said:
Still sticking to the racial slur thing? That's a bold strategy...let's see if it pays off for him.
I'll be honest, if I heard a ref using racial slurs, the night would more than likely end with me getting arrested. Having kids take care of it is chicken #### and Im guessing he's lying about the slurs.
You'd start a fight with refs because they use racial slurs? I hope you never venture down South or into a Walmart. You'll be scrapping 24x7.

 
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Dark Matter said:
Still sticking to the racial slur thing? That's a bold strategy...let's see if it pays off for him.
I'll be honest, if I heard a ref using racial slurs, the night would more than likely end with me getting arrested. Having kids take care of it is chicken #### and Im guessing he's lying about the slurs.
You'd start a fight with refs because they use racial slurs? I hope you never venture down South or into a Walmart. You'll be scrapping 24x7.
this is the internet. of course he'd mma that guy down hard brah then would be led to the cruiser in cuffs to the roar of the adoring crowd and #####ing frank stallone jam to closing credits.

 
Dark Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
Schtick?
Nope. My guess is that the players did it themselves without any direction from the coach. Assuming the quote I posted from the story is correct, it seems suspicious that the coach asked first what would happen to the players and then admitted he directed them to do it after he was told they would be suspended.

If he was going to admit culpability, why would he ask about the players' punishment first?

 
Dark Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
Schtick?
Nope. My guess is that the players did it themselves without any direction from the coach. Assuming the quote I posted from the story is correct, it seems suspicious that the coach asked first what would happen to the players and then admitted he directed them to do it after he was told they would be suspended.

If he was going to admit culpability, why would he ask about the players' punishment first?
My guess is if it was a couple of laps, he wouldn't have admitted it. When the punishment was significant, he felt he had to fess up. IMO, of course.

 
Dark Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
Schtick?
Nope. My guess is that the players did it themselves without any direction from the coach. Assuming the quote I posted from the story is correct, it seems suspicious that the coach asked first what would happen to the players and then admitted he directed them to do it after he was told they would be suspended.

If he was going to admit culpability, why would he ask about the players' punishment first?
My guess is if it was a couple of laps, he wouldn't have admitted it. When the punishment was significant, he felt he had to fess up. IMO, of course.
I think that's possible. My opinion was based on that I think the players acted alone - teenagers, emotion, hormones - that kind of thing. Maybe I don't want to believe that a coach would tell his players to intentionally hit a referee.

 
Dark Matter said:
Still sticking to the racial slur thing? That's a bold strategy...let's see if it pays off for him.
I'll be honest, if I heard a ref using racial slurs, the night would more than likely end with me getting arrested. Having kids take care of it is chicken #### and Im guessing he's lying about the slurs.
You'd start a fight with refs because they use racial slurs? I hope you never venture down South or into a Walmart. You'll be scrapping 24x7.
this is the internet. of course he'd mma that guy down hard brah then would be led to the cruiser in cuffs to the roar of the adoring crowd and #####ing frank stallone jam to closing credits.
Sounds about right. Can I get a cameo from Danny Bonaduce?

 
the assistant is taking heat for the head coach and the program.

it keeps them from cancelling the season, which is the right course of action given that they have no responsible adults in a position to run the team....

 
Dark%20Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
Schtick?
Nope. My guess is that the players did it themselves without any direction from the coach. Assuming the quote I posted from the story is correct, it seems suspicious that the coach asked first what would happen to the players and then admitted he directed them to do it after he was told they would be suspended.

If he was going to admit culpability, why would he ask about the players' punishment first?
Because if the players weren't going to be punished, then the coach wouldn't have admitted his involvement. Duh.
 
the assistant is taking heat for the head coach and the program.

it keeps them from cancelling the season, which is the right course of action given that they have no responsible adults in a position to run the team....
I would think that admitting that the hit came from a member of the coaching staff increases, rather than decreases, the likelihood of drastic action being taken against the program. Having the team forfeit the entire season is a penalty that is on the table specifically because of the allegation that the coaching staff was involved.

 
Dark Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
I read a report that he's retracted his story and says he never ordered it. He said he was trying to protect the players from being expelled. But now he's saying he never said anything close to payback the ref.

 
Dark Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
Schtick?
Nope. My guess is that the players did it themselves without any direction from the coach. Assuming the quote I posted from the story is correct, it seems suspicious that the coach asked first what would happen to the players and then admitted he directed them to do it after he was told they would be suspended.

If he was going to admit culpability, why would he ask about the players' punishment first?
My guess is if it was a couple of laps, he wouldn't have admitted it. When the punishment was significant, he felt he had to fess up. IMO, of course.
I think that's possible. My opinion was based on that I think the players acted alone - teenagers, emotion, hormones - that kind of thing. Maybe I don't want to believe that a coach would tell his players to intentionally hit a referee.
Reality is, some coaches are just nuts.

Just this last week, the High School Ice hockey league I ref had a game where the ref ejected both assist coaches for abuse of official. After the game, the assistants and heads coach were waiting for the ref right off the ice.

After some words, one asst coach made am over at the ref and when he went to defend himself, the coach grabbed his arm and twisted it. It didn't get much further b/c people stepped in. The whole thing is under review of the board at this point, but it just goest to show how coaches can't act like adults sometimes.

 
Dark%20Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
I read a report that he's retracted his story and says he never ordered it. He said he was trying to protect the players from being expelled. But now he's saying he never said anything close to payback the ref.
Google isn't showing anything about the coach retracting his story, but I do see that he resigned today.Also, he looks a lot like Kobe Bryant.

 
Dark%20Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
I read a report that he's retracted his story and says he never ordered it. He said he was trying to protect the players from being expelled. But now he's saying he never said anything close to payback the ref.
Google isn't showing anything about the coach retracting his story, but I do see that he resigned today.Also, he looks a lot like Kobe Bryant.
Agree on the Kobe thing totally.

LINK

This LINK has his actual recant story.

 
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Dark%2520Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
I read a report that he's retracted his story and says he never ordered it. He said he was trying to protect the players from being expelled. But now he's saying he never said anything close to payback the ref.
Google isn't showing anything about the coach retracting his story, but I do see that he resigned today.Also, he looks a lot like Kobe Bryant.
Agree on the Kobe thing totally.LINK

This LINK has his actual recant story.
Breed's story sounds pretty authentic to me. It doesn't sound like your typical "written by a lawyer" statement that you'd expect in a situation like this.
 
Dark%2520Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
I read a report that he's retracted his story and says he never ordered it. He said he was trying to protect the players from being expelled. But now he's saying he never said anything close to payback the ref.
Google isn't showing anything about the coach retracting his story, but I do see that he resigned today.Also, he looks a lot like Kobe Bryant.
Agree on the Kobe thing totally.LINK

This LINK has his actual recant story.
Breed's story sounds pretty authentic to me. It doesn't sound like your typical "written by a lawyer" statement that you'd expect in a situation like this.
Agreed. When I first read the headline I thought, "Here we go. :rolleyes: " But, after reading what he wrote, he seems like he's being honest.

 
see this is how bad kobme is even people that look like him suck the bag take that to the bank brohans

 
Dark%2520Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
I read a report that he's retracted his story and says he never ordered it. He said he was trying to protect the players from being expelled. But now he's saying he never said anything close to payback the ref.
Google isn't showing anything about the coach retracting his story, but I do see that he resigned today.Also, he looks a lot like Kobe Bryant.
Agree on the Kobe thing totally.LINK

This LINK has his actual recant story.
Breed's story sounds pretty authentic to me. It doesn't sound like your typical "written by a lawyer" statement that you'd expect in a situation like this.
Very true. No way a lawyer would have started a sentence with, "me and my head coach..."

 
Dark%2520Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
I read a report that he's retracted his story and says he never ordered it. He said he was trying to protect the players from being expelled. But now he's saying he never said anything close to payback the ref.
Google isn't showing anything about the coach retracting his story, but I do see that he resigned today.Also, he looks a lot like Kobe Bryant.
Agree on the Kobe thing totally.LINK

This LINK has his actual recant story.
Breed's story sounds pretty authentic to me. It doesn't sound like your typical "written by a lawyer" statement that you'd expect in a situation like this.
Very true. No way a lawyer would have started a sentence with, "me and my head coach..."
Woz

 
glvsav37 said:
ZenMaster said:
Road Warriors said:
ZenMaster said:
Apple Jack said:
ZenMaster said:
Dark Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
Schtick?
Nope. My guess is that the players did it themselves without any direction from the coach. Assuming the quote I posted from the story is correct, it seems suspicious that the coach asked first what would happen to the players and then admitted he directed them to do it after he was told they would be suspended.

If he was going to admit culpability, why would he ask about the players' punishment first?
My guess is if it was a couple of laps, he wouldn't have admitted it. When the punishment was significant, he felt he had to fess up. IMO, of course.
I think that's possible. My opinion was based on that I think the players acted alone - teenagers, emotion, hormones - that kind of thing. Maybe I don't want to believe that a coach would tell his players to intentionally hit a referee.
Reality is, some coaches are just nuts.

Just this last week, the High School Ice hockey league I ref had a game where the ref ejected both assist coaches for abuse of official. After the game, the assistants and heads coach were waiting for the ref right off the ice.

After some words, one asst coach made am over at the ref and when he went to defend himself, the coach grabbed his arm and twisted it. It didn't get much further b/c people stepped in. The whole thing is under review of the board at this point, but it just goest to show how coaches can't act like adults sometimes.
if that happened as alleged, the school needs to remove the entire coaching staff

 
glvsav37 said:
ZenMaster said:
Road Warriors said:
ZenMaster said:
Apple Jack said:
ZenMaster said:
Dark Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
Schtick?
Nope. My guess is that the players did it themselves without any direction from the coach. Assuming the quote I posted from the story is correct, it seems suspicious that the coach asked first what would happen to the players and then admitted he directed them to do it after he was told they would be suspended.

If he was going to admit culpability, why would he ask about the players' punishment first?
My guess is if it was a couple of laps, he wouldn't have admitted it. When the punishment was significant, he felt he had to fess up. IMO, of course.
I think that's possible. My opinion was based on that I think the players acted alone - teenagers, emotion, hormones - that kind of thing. Maybe I don't want to believe that a coach would tell his players to intentionally hit a referee.
Reality is, some coaches are just nuts.

Just this last week, the High School Ice hockey league I ref had a game where the ref ejected both assist coaches for abuse of official. After the game, the assistants and heads coach were waiting for the ref right off the ice.

After some words, one asst coach made am over at the ref and when he went to defend himself, the coach grabbed his arm and twisted it. It didn't get much further b/c people stepped in. The whole thing is under review of the board at this point, but it just goest to show how coaches can't act like adults sometimes.
if that happened as alleged, the school needs to remove the entire coaching staff
Fail. To fire the entire staff is a knee jerk reaction that ultimately would hurt the remaining players on the team. How about letting the admin first investigate how this coach was vetted, and if there were any indications of this type of behavior in the assistant coach's history?

 
glvsav37 said:
ZenMaster said:
Road Warriors said:
ZenMaster said:
Apple Jack said:
ZenMaster said:
Dark Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
Schtick?
Nope. My guess is that the players did it themselves without any direction from the coach. Assuming the quote I posted from the story is correct, it seems suspicious that the coach asked first what would happen to the players and then admitted he directed them to do it after he was told they would be suspended.

If he was going to admit culpability, why would he ask about the players' punishment first?
My guess is if it was a couple of laps, he wouldn't have admitted it. When the punishment was significant, he felt he had to fess up. IMO, of course.
I think that's possible. My opinion was based on that I think the players acted alone - teenagers, emotion, hormones - that kind of thing. Maybe I don't want to believe that a coach would tell his players to intentionally hit a referee.
Reality is, some coaches are just nuts.

Just this last week, the High School Ice hockey league I ref had a game where the ref ejected both assist coaches for abuse of official. After the game, the assistants and heads coach were waiting for the ref right off the ice.

After some words, one asst coach made am over at the ref and when he went to defend himself, the coach grabbed his arm and twisted it. It didn't get much further b/c people stepped in. The whole thing is under review of the board at this point, but it just goest to show how coaches can't act like adults sometimes.
if that happened as alleged, the school needs to remove the entire coaching staff
Fail. To fire the entire staff is a knee jerk reaction that ultimately would hurt the remaining players on the team. How about letting the admin first investigate how this coach was vetted, and if there were any indications of this type of behavior in the assistant coach's history?
Actually the HC was part of the group waiting for the ref

 
So these two chuckleheads did it on their own, but are blaming racial slurs and overhearing other players say that coach ordered the code red. Got it.

 
I don't see how a racial slur is any reason to assault someone. They're just words used to bait stupid people into doing stupid things.

 
glvsav37 said:
ZenMaster said:
Road Warriors said:
ZenMaster said:
Apple Jack said:
ZenMaster said:
Dark Matter said:
Update: http://abc13.com/sports/assistant-mack-breed-told-john-jay-principal-he-ordered-ref-hits-in-anger/997662/

"[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."
Looks like the coach is taking the fall for the players.
Schtick?
Nope. My guess is that the players did it themselves without any direction from the coach. Assuming the quote I posted from the story is correct, it seems suspicious that the coach asked first what would happen to the players and then admitted he directed them to do it after he was told they would be suspended.

If he was going to admit culpability, why would he ask about the players' punishment first?
My guess is if it was a couple of laps, he wouldn't have admitted it. When the punishment was significant, he felt he had to fess up. IMO, of course.
I think that's possible. My opinion was based on that I think the players acted alone - teenagers, emotion, hormones - that kind of thing. Maybe I don't want to believe that a coach would tell his players to intentionally hit a referee.
Reality is, some coaches are just nuts.

Just this last week, the High School Ice hockey league I ref had a game where the ref ejected both assist coaches for abuse of official. After the game, the assistants and heads coach were waiting for the ref right off the ice.

After some words, one asst coach made am over at the ref and when he went to defend himself, the coach grabbed his arm and twisted it. It didn't get much further b/c people stepped in. The whole thing is under review of the board at this point, but it just goest to show how coaches can't act like adults sometimes.
if that happened as alleged, the school needs to remove the entire coaching staff
Fail. To fire the entire staff is a knee jerk reaction that ultimately would hurt the remaining players on the team. How about letting the admin first investigate how this coach was vetted, and if there were any indications of this type of behavior in the assistant coach's history?
Actually the HC was part of the group waiting for the ref
Of course you said that in the original post, but Counter Pass was too busy knee-jerking

 
Dark Matter said:
Still sticking to the racial slur thing? That's a bold strategy...let's see if it pays off for him.
I'll be honest, if I heard a ref using racial slurs, the night would more than likely end with me getting arrested. Having kids take care of it is chicken #### and Im guessing he's lying about the slurs.
I'll be honest, you wouldn't do anything that would more than likely end with you getting arrested.

 
I didnt see it in this article, but I was half listening this morning and I thought they said he also lost his teaching license?

In addition to his 18 months of probation, Breed was fined $1,500 and ordered to serve 120 hours of community service.

 
why would i want this guy doing community service? i dont get this shtick........We want good people in The community, not morons with awful judgment.

 

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