Humanitarian crisis at US border (2 Viewers)

[jamny]

Who is talking about feeding the entire world? Not me. It would certainly be better for us if we tried.

But in this thread, all I'm talking about is feeding the children who have risked their lives to come to our borders, rather than turning them away.

You mean reward the parents who forced their children to risk their lives by taking on their responsibility.

 

[Sarnoff]

It should be legal to eat the poor. Problem solved.

 

[timschochet]

Who is talking about feeding the entire world? Not me. It would certainly be better for us if we tried.

But in this thread, all I'm talking about is feeding the children who have risked their lives to come to our borders, rather than turning them away.

You mean reward the parents who forced their children to risk their lives by taking on their responsibility.

Reward the parents....

Yeah, I'm sure these parents back in Guatemala and Honduras are feeling real "rewarded" right about now. They allow their children to leave and risk death in hope of a better future. Some of the posts in here are unbelievable to me.

 

[timschochet]

Don't you guys get that if a child risks his life by coming here, is willing to leave everything behind to start a new life, that is exactly the sort of person we should want as American citizens? They will value our freedom and opportunity MORE than any home grown person already here! They will serve in our military to defend our freedoms, and they will contribute to our society, giving much more in the long run than they take out. Don't believe me? History has demonstrated this again and again. These children will grow up to be our finest Americans- if we give them a chance.

 

[jamny]

Who is talking about feeding the entire world? Not me. It would certainly be better for us if we tried.

But in this thread, all I'm talking about is feeding the children who have risked their lives to come to our borders, rather than turning them away.

You mean reward the parents who forced their children to risk their lives by taking on their responsibility.

Reward the parents....

Yeah, I'm sure these parents back in Guatemala and Honduras are feeling real "rewarded" right about now. They allow their children to leave and risk death in hope of a better future. Some of the posts in here are unbelievable to me.

Yes, it was a risk/reward proposition for the parents. I personally think they shouldn't be encouraged to risk more children's lives. How many have or will die because of this?

 

[jamny]

Don't you guys get that if a child risks his life by coming here, is willing to leave everything behind to start a new life, that is exactly the sort of person we should want as American citizens? They will value our freedom and opportunity MORE than any home grown person already here! They will serve in our military to defend our freedoms, and they will contribute to our society, giving much more in the long run than they take out. Don't believe me? History has demonstrated this again and again. These children will grow up to be our finest Americans- if we give them a chance.

Do you think most of these kids made the decision themselves or were forced to do so by their parents?

 

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It should be legal to eat the poor. Problem solved.

SoylentSalsa.com purchased

:boatloads:

 

[Jules Winnfield]

It should be legal to eat the poor. Problem solved.

Frank Thorn cries out "Soylent Green is people!"

The crowd cries out in terror. Mass protests start. People weep for the dead, "That's terrible and inhumane!" they cry.

"Wait a second. My bad. Soylent Green is poor people" explains Mr. Thorn

The crowd murmurs...no more protests signs..."Oh, well. Poor people you say? We can eat them"

 

[timschochet]

Don't you guys get that if a child risks his life by coming here, is willing to leave everything behind to start a new life, that is exactly the sort of person we should want as American citizens? They will value our freedom and opportunity MORE than any home grown person already here! They will serve in our military to defend our freedoms, and they will contribute to our society, giving much more in the long run than they take out. Don't believe me? History has demonstrated this again and again. These children will grow up to be our finest Americans- if we give them a chance.

Do you think most of these kids made the decision themselves or were forced to do so by their parents?

Depends on the age. Anyhow, what difference does it make? Either way, everything I wrote still applies.

 

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Girl Scout: Excuse me sir, will you buy some Girl Scout cookies? It's for a good cause.

Icon/Jayrod/jonessed: I'd like to. But the problem is that if I buy from you, then I'll have to buy from EVERY GIRL SCOUT IN THE ENTIRE WORLD! And I can't afford that. So sorry, no.

How is it that one person can suck this badly at analogies.

 

[The Commish]

wow...this got REALLY bad. New low...congrats Tim. I can't phathom a situation where you'd say some of the things you said here if you've really looked at the reasons behind the problems of our country when it comes to nutrition and homelessness.

 

[Kevrunner]

Out of all of the posts/threads that Tim has been involved with, this is the thread where he clearly has "jumped the shark".

Really? I've had some pretty controversial opinions in this forum. This isn't one of them. Is feeding children especially controversial?

No, feeding children is a responsibility we all have, it's all of the other stuff you have said in this thread that has made me feel that a lot of things you say is just to rile people up.

 

[jamny]

Don't you guys get that if a child risks his life by coming here, is willing to leave everything behind to start a new life, that is exactly the sort of person we should want as American citizens? They will value our freedom and opportunity MORE than any home grown person already here! They will serve in our military to defend our freedoms, and they will contribute to our society, giving much more in the long run than they take out. Don't believe me? History has demonstrated this again and again. These children will grow up to be our finest Americans- if we give them a chance.

Do you think most of these kids made the decision themselves or were forced to do so by their parents?

Depends on the age. Anyhow, what difference does it make? Either way, everything I wrote still applies.

So you have no problem encouraging parents to risk the life of their 10 year old child to make it across South America, through Mexico to get to the US?

 

[timschochet]

Don't you guys get that if a child risks his life by coming here, is willing to leave everything behind to start a new life, that is exactly the sort of person we should want as American citizens? They will value our freedom and opportunity MORE than any home grown person already here! They will serve in our military to defend our freedoms, and they will contribute to our society, giving much more in the long run than they take out. Don't believe me? History has demonstrated this again and again. These children will grow up to be our finest Americans- if we give them a chance.

Do you think most of these kids made the decision themselves or were forced to do so by their parents?

Depends on the age. Anyhow, what difference does it make? Either way, everything I wrote still applies.

So you have no problem encouraging parents to risk the life of their 10 year old child to make it across South America, through Mexico to get to the US?

WTF?

Lots of people putting words in my mouth here. Talk about your straw arguments.

 

[timschochet]

wow...this got REALLY bad. New low...congrats Tim. I can't phathom a situation where you'd say some of the things you said here if you've really looked at the reasons behind the problems of our country when it comes to nutrition and homelessness.

I can't phathom how anyone could misspell phathom.

Seriously though, you're starting to sound like a broken record. Although I certainly agree that (1) more should be done for the homeless and malnourished in this country and (2) more should be done to help feed the people of the world, NEITHER of these issues are relevant to the question of what to do with these children who have arrived at our border.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Don't you guys get that if a child risks his life by coming here, is willing to leave everything behind to start a new life, that is exactly the sort of person we should want as American citizens? They will value our freedom and opportunity MORE than any home grown person already here! They will serve in our military to defend our freedoms, and they will contribute to our society, giving much more in the long run than they take out. Don't believe me? History has demonstrated this again and again. These children will grow up to be our finest Americans- if we give them a chance.

I have to ask about these statements.

 

[Jayrod]

Girl Scout: Excuse me sir, will you buy some Girl Scout cookies? It's for a good cause.

Icon/Jayrod/jonessed: I'd like to. But the problem is that if I buy from you, then I'll have to buy from EVERY GIRL SCOUT IN THE ENTIRE WORLD! And I can't afford that. So sorry, no.

I want to punch you in the neck so bad right now.

 

[timschochet]

Girl Scout: Excuse me sir, will you buy some Girl Scout cookies? It's for a good cause.

Icon/Jayrod/jonessed: I'd like to. But the problem is that if I buy from you, then I'll have to buy from EVERY GIRL SCOUT IN THE ENTIRE WORLD! And I can't afford that. So sorry, no.

I want to punch you in the neck so bad right now.

Why the neck? Why not right in the face?

 

[Parrothead]

Girl Scout: Excuse me sir, will you buy some Girl Scout cookies? It's for a good cause.

Icon/Jayrod/jonessed: I'd like to. But the problem is that if I buy from you, then I'll have to buy from EVERY GIRL SCOUT IN THE ENTIRE WORLD! And I can't afford that. So sorry, no.

I want to punch you in the neck so bad right now.

Why the neck? Why not right in the face?

better if he just broke your fingers..

 

[The Commish]

wow...this got REALLY bad. New low...congrats Tim. I can't phathom a situation where you'd say some of the things you said here if you've really looked at the reasons behind the problems of our country when it comes to nutrition and homelessness.

I can't phathom how anyone could misspell phathom.

Seriously though, you're starting to sound like a broken record. Although I certainly agree that (1) more should be done for the homeless and malnourished in this country and (2) more should be done to help feed the people of the world, NEITHER of these issues are relevant to the question of what to do with these children who have arrived at our border.

Sorry....if I know my system is systemically broken and it is...big time, the answer is NOT adding more inputs to the system. It's just not. It's a complete disservice.

 

[jamny]

Don't you guys get that if a child risks his life by coming here, is willing to leave everything behind to start a new life, that is exactly the sort of person we should want as American citizens? They will value our freedom and opportunity MORE than any home grown person already here! They will serve in our military to defend our freedoms, and they will contribute to our society, giving much more in the long run than they take out. Don't believe me? History has demonstrated this again and again. These children will grow up to be our finest Americans- if we give them a chance.

Do you think most of these kids made the decision themselves or were forced to do so by their parents?

Depends on the age. Anyhow, what difference does it make? Either way, everything I wrote still applies.

So you have no problem encouraging parents to risk the life of their 10 year old child to make it across South America, through Mexico to get to the US?

WTF?

Lots of people putting words in my mouth here. Talk about your straw arguments.

It's only a strawman to you because I'm thinking of consequences you haven't considered in your support for this. I think a good amount of these children didn't come voluntarily, but were forced to by their parents. I also believe that some children likely have died making the trip and more will die if we encourage this by allowing them to stay.

 

[Sarnoff]

What Tim fails to realize, is everything.

 

[Kal El]

You know, everyone can pile on Tim in here (FWIW, I feel that they should have their immediate needs met, but beyond that will be up for discussion), or we can get back to the issue at hand. Clearly, if we have an ounce of compassion, these children should not be left to starve, and simply sending them back means that their lives will once again be in danger. However, the influx of children on a system that already has 1.7 million children out of a home will only make the burden of care greater than ever. Putting them in the care of the government is a recipe for disaster, as we've seen with veterans. I'd suggest foster care or adoption, but if their parents are otherwise fine aside from being stuck in a violent place, that raises lots of legal issues.

In the end, all I can say is that I have not reached an answer I feel comfortable with. Sending them back or letting them all into the system at once will almost certainly result in an even bigger mess.

 

[The Commish]

You know, everyone can pile on Tim in here (FWIW, I feel that they should have their immediate needs met, but beyond that will be up for discussion), or we can get back to the issue at hand. Clearly, if we have an ounce of compassion, these children should not be left to starve, and simply sending them back means that their lives will once again be in danger. However, the influx of children on a system that already has 1.7 million children out of a home will only make the burden of care greater than ever. Putting them in the care of the government is a recipe for disaster, as we've seen with veterans. I'd suggest foster care or adoption, but if their parents are otherwise fine aside from being stuck in a violent place, that raises lots of legal issues.

In the end, all I can say is that I have not reached an answer I feel comfortable with. Sending them back or letting them all into the system at once will almost certainly result in an even bigger mess.

Adding them to our already broken system doesn't change this.....fyi. Thinking otherwise is very head in the sand kind of thinking. That's not to say we shouldn't help, but we begin to help by fixing the system. We need to have our #### together for our citizens. This can't be done at the expense of them. You do that and I say open the borders and let them in.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I don't disagree with you about the problems involved Ka El, but what is to be done? Are we really going to take Icon's advice and not feed these children and send them packing? Is that who we are? I'd be ashamed if our government did that, wouldn't you?

You guys keep raising other questions:

What to do about illegal immigration?

Shouldn't we build a fence?

What about the starving and malnourished children already here?

What about the starving children around the world?

If we feed these children, what do we do with them afterwards?

These are all good questions, and I've tried to answer them. But none of them are pertinent to the IMMEDIATE issue: there are starving children on our border, begging us to feed and shelter them. Can we turn them away? Most of you here are Christians. Can you turn them away?

I can. I can turn them away. Give the job to me since you don't have the stomach to face reality and to do what needs to be done. Somebody has to cull the herds. At some point the lifeboat is full and you cannot take on another soul without sinking the boat and dooming everyone inside. Compassion un-tempered by sense is lunacy. You are a lunatic. You can congratulate yourself on your high minded compassion which of course is paid for by the labor of others, but in the end all you do is forestall problems until they become far worse.

I wonder what Tim`s cut off point is ? When would Tim say enough is enough? Does he even have one? Is it when the country has been so saturated they are camped out on his lawn?

We won't be close to this in my lifetime, or that of my great grandchildren, so it's a moot point.

but at some point it WILL happen....what then?

 

[StrikeS2k]

You know, everyone can pile on Tim in here (FWIW, I feel that they should have their immediate needs met, but beyond that will be up for discussion), or we can get back to the issue at hand. Clearly, if we have an ounce of compassion, these children should not be left to starve, and simply sending them back means that their lives will once again be in danger. However, the influx of children on a system that already has 1.7 million children out of a home will only make the burden of care greater than ever. Putting them in the care of the government is a recipe for disaster, as we've seen with veterans. I'd suggest foster care or adoption, but if their parents are otherwise fine aside from being stuck in a violent place, that raises lots of legal issues.

In the end, all I can say is that I have not reached an answer I feel comfortable with. Sending them back or letting them all into the system at once will almost certainly result in an even bigger mess.

I disagree. If we send them back at least they're (presumably) be being cared for by people who love them and care about them. That's why they were sent here in the first place. It sucks that they'll be living in a cesspool but, unfortunately, that's the way things are in some countries or areas of some countries. If you think that, between the alternatives of keeping them here without having any idea what we should do with them or returning them to loving families but in bad conditions, that the better alternative is to keep them here then you must be ok with the concept that we should allow any child to come here if that what his/her family wants. I think the other alternative is better. Neither is an ideal "solution" , but we're making a relative call here.

 

[Gawain]

timschochet, on 20 Jun 2014 - 2:25 PM, saidon't you guys get that if a child risks his life by coming here, is willing to leave everything behind to start a new life, that is exactly the sort of person we should want as American citizens? They will value our freedom and opportunity MORE than any home grown person already here! They will serve in our military to defend our freedoms, and they will contribute to our society, giving much more in the long run than they take out. Don't believe me? History has demonstrated this again and again. These children will grow up to be our finest Americans- if we give them a chance.

This is why all these kids are coming:

According to the memo, which was brought up at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Wednesday, agents grilled more than 200 non-Mexican immigrants in late May, and 95 percent of them said they headed to the US because they’d heard they could get a “permiso,” or “free pass” simply by showing up at the border.

“This information is apparently common knowledge in Central America and is spread by word of mouth, and international and local media,” the memo reads. “A high percentage of the subjects interviewed stated their family members in the US urged them to travel immediately, because the United States government was only issuing immigration ‘permisos’ until the end of June 2014.”

It's really the misinformation about the DREAM Act.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

timschochet, on 20 Jun 2014 - 2:25 PM, saidon't you guys get that if a child risks his life by coming here, is willing to leave everything behind to start a new life, that is exactly the sort of person we should want as American citizens? They will value our freedom and opportunity MORE than any home grown person already here! They will serve in our military to defend our freedoms, and they will contribute to our society, giving much more in the long run than they take out. Don't believe me? History has demonstrated this again and again. These children will grow up to be our finest Americans- if we give them a chance.

This is why all these kids are coming:

According to the memo, which was brought up at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Wednesday, agents grilled more than 200 non-Mexican immigrants in late May, and 95 percent of them said they headed to the US because they’d heard they could get a “permiso,” or “free pass” simply by showing up at the border.

“This information is apparently common knowledge in Central America and is spread by word of mouth, and international and local media,” the memo reads. “A high percentage of the subjects interviewed stated their family members in the US urged them to travel immediately, because the United States government was only issuing immigration ‘permisos’ until the end of June 2014.”

It's really the misinformation about the DREAM Act.

But Tim said...

 

[avoiding injuries]

timschochet, on 20 Jun 2014 - 2:25 PM, said:

Don't you guys get that if a child risks his life by coming here, is willing to leave everything behind to start a new life, that is exactly the sort of person we should want as American citizens? They will value our freedom and opportunity MORE than any home grown person already here! They will serve in our military to defend our freedoms, and they will contribute to our society, giving much more in the long run than they take out. Don't believe me? History has demonstrated this again and again. These children will grow up to be our finest Americans- if we give them a chance.

This is why all these kids are coming:

According to the memo, which was brought up at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Wednesday, agents grilled more than 200 non-Mexican immigrants in late May, and 95 percent of them said they headed to the US because theyd heard they could get a permiso, or free pass simply by showing up at the border.

This information is apparently common knowledge in Central America and is spread by word of mouth, and international and local media, the memo reads. A high percentage of the subjects interviewed stated their family members in the US urged them to travel immediately, because the United States government was only issuing immigration permisos until the end of June 2014.

It's really the misinformation about the DREAM Act.

Well, they've got 10 more days to get here and then....caput.

 

[Sarnoff]

Serious proposal:

These children are at a young and impressionable age. Round them up, and move them into "freedom camps" in the desert. Indoctrinate them in American values. Respect for the rule of law. Order. Justice.

Then, after each child completes a multi-year training regiment, we "graduate" them to Iraq. Dump these kids by the millions into Baghdad, and set them up with status in society. Maybe, after a few generations, their training will set off a wave of stability throughout the region.

 

[timschochet]

You know, everyone can pile on Tim in here (FWIW, I feel that they should have their immediate needs met, but beyond that will be up for discussion), or we can get back to the issue at hand. Clearly, if we have an ounce of compassion, these children should not be left to starve, and simply sending them back means that their lives will once again be in danger. However, the influx of children on a system that already has 1.7 million children out of a home will only make the burden of care greater than ever. Putting them in the care of the government is a recipe for disaster, as we've seen with veterans. I'd suggest foster care or adoption, but if their parents are otherwise fine aside from being stuck in a violent place, that raises lots of legal issues.

In the end, all I can say is that I have not reached an answer I feel comfortable with. Sending them back or letting them all into the system at once will almost certainly result in an even bigger mess.

I disagree. If we send them back at least they're (presumably) be being cared for by people who love them and care about them.

Oh OK. And people think I'm naive.

 

[timschochet]

Serious proposal:

These children are at a young and impressionable age. Round them up, and move them into "freedom camps" in the desert. Indoctrinate them in American values. Respect for the rule of law. Order. Justice.

Then, after each child completes a multi-year training regiment, we "graduate" them to Iraq. Dump these kids by the millions into Baghdad, and set them up with status in society. Maybe, after a few generations, their training will set off a wave of stability throughout the region.

This is a serious proposal? My serious proposal is that we let these kids stay here and ship you to Iraq. But first we need to indoctrinate you in American values since you appear to have no understanding of them.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Serious proposal:

These children are at a young and impressionable age. Round them up, and move them into "freedom camps" in the desert. Indoctrinate them in American values. Respect for the rule of law. Order. Justice.

Then, after each child completes a multi-year training regiment, we "graduate" them to Iraq. Dump these kids by the millions into Baghdad, and set them up with status in society. Maybe, after a few generations, their training will set off a wave of stability throughout the region.

This is a serious proposal?My serious proposal is that we let these kids stay here and ship you to Iraq. But first we need to indoctrinate you in American values since you appear to have no understanding of them.

Where are these kids going to stay anyway?

 

[Jules Winnfield]

timschochet, on 20 Jun 2014 - 2:25 PM, saidon't you guys get that if a child risks his life by coming here, is willing to leave everything behind to start a new life, that is exactly the sort of person we should want as American citizens? They will value our freedom and opportunity MORE than any home grown person already here! They will serve in our military to defend our freedoms, and they will contribute to our society, giving much more in the long run than they take out. Don't believe me? History has demonstrated this again and again. These children will grow up to be our finest Americans- if we give them a chance.

This is why all these kids are coming:

According to the memo, which was brought up at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Wednesday, agents grilled more than 200 non-Mexican immigrants in late May, and 95 percent of them said they headed to the US because they’d heard they could get a “permiso,” or “free pass” simply by showing up at the border.

“This information is apparently common knowledge in Central America and is spread by word of mouth, and international and local media,” the memo reads. “A high percentage of the subjects interviewed stated their family members in the US urged them to travel immediately, because the United States government was only issuing immigration ‘permisos’ until the end of June 2014.”

It's really the misinformation about the DREAM Act.

Still waiting for Tim to answer to this

 

[timschochet]

timschochet, on 20 Jun 2014 - 2:25 PM, saidon't you guys get that if a child risks his life by coming here, is willing to leave everything behind to start a new life, that is exactly the sort of person we should want as American citizens? They will value our freedom and opportunity MORE than any home grown person already here! They will serve in our military to defend our freedoms, and they will contribute to our society, giving much more in the long run than they take out. Don't believe me? History has demonstrated this again and again. These children will grow up to be our finest Americans- if we give them a chance.

This is why all these kids are coming:

According to the memo, which was brought up at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Wednesday, agents grilled more than 200 non-Mexican immigrants in late May, and 95 percent of them said they headed to the US because they’d heard they could get a “permiso,” or “free pass” simply by showing up at the border.

“This information is apparently common knowledge in Central America and is spread by word of mouth, and international and local media,” the memo reads. “A high percentage of the subjects interviewed stated their family members in the US urged them to travel immediately, because the United States government was only issuing immigration ‘permisos’ until the end of June 2014.”

It's really the misinformation about the DREAM Act.

Still waiting for Tim to answer to this

I love how you guys challenge me to answer everything and then complain that I post too much.

It's a sad thing that these people apparently misunderstood. But the fact that they rushed here when they got that wrong information should tell you how much they long to be here.

As far the Dream Act goes, it's to our shame that we can't get it passed. I don't like to talk about it too much because it really disgusts me.

 

[timschochet]

Serious proposal:

These children are at a young and impressionable age. Round them up, and move them into "freedom camps" in the desert. Indoctrinate them in American values. Respect for the rule of law. Order. Justice.

Then, after each child completes a multi-year training regiment, we "graduate" them to Iraq. Dump these kids by the millions into Baghdad, and set them up with status in society. Maybe, after a few generations, their training will set off a wave of stability throughout the region.

This is a serious proposal?My serious proposal is that we let these kids stay here and ship you to Iraq. But first we need to indoctrinate you in American values since you appear to have no understanding of them.

Where are these kids going to stay anyway?

We need to figure that out. If we want to we will.

 

[Sarnoff]

Oh great, now Tim is gonna say he represents real American values.

 

[timschochet]

Oh great, now Tim is gonna say he represents real American values.

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

Question for you Sarnoff: do theses words, which are inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, represent real American values? Yes or no? If the answer is no, fine, you and I have different views about America.

But if the answer is yes, how can you possibly reconcile this with your position on illegal immigration?

 

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Impressive effort here:

1) timschochet - 81 posts

2) Kal El - 14 posts

 

[timschochet]

Impressive effort here:

timschochet 81 Kal El 14

Thank you. I'm pretty proud. Make that 82. One more than Kobe scored against the Raptors. Remember that Cliff?

 

[Kevrunner]

Serious proposal:

These children are at a young and impressionable age. Round them up, and move them into "freedom camps" in the desert. Indoctrinate them in American values. Respect for the rule of law. Order. Justice.

Then, after each child completes a multi-year training regiment, we "graduate" them to Iraq. Dump these kids by the millions into Baghdad, and set them up with status in society. Maybe, after a few generations, their training will set off a wave of stability throughout the region.

This is a serious proposal?My serious proposal is that we let these kids stay here and ship you to Iraq. But first we need to indoctrinate you in American values since you appear to have no understanding of them.

Where are these kids going to stay anyway?

Tim said this in an earlier post: "There are lots of would be parents looking for children to adopt"

I guess these would be parents aren't aware of how many kids right now in the United States are in foster homes and are just waiting to be adopted. Tim's state of California is leading the nation in the # of kids in foster care homes.

 

[timschochet]

Suppose I found people willing to adopt each one of these kids? Would you guys allow them to come in?

 

[StrikeS2k]

Suppose I found people willing to adopt each one of these kids? Would you guys allow them to come in?

This is absolutely a great question, and I'll gladly have this discussion with you. As soon as you have done this for every currently homeless or malnourished child who is an American citizen. Or do you want to let the illegals jump to the front of the line, yet again?

 

[timschochet]

Suppose I found people willing to adopt each one of these kids? Would you guys allow them to come in?

This is absolutely a great question, and I'll gladly have this discussion with you. As soon as you have done this for every currently homeless or malnourished child who is an American citizen. Or do you want to let the illegals jump to the front of the line, yet again?

Are you willing to reallocate public funds in order to make taking care of the homeless and malnourished children already here a priority to take precedence over nearly everything else?

 

[StrikeS2k]

Suppose I found people willing to adopt each one of these kids? Would you guys allow them to come in?

This is absolutely a great question, and I'll gladly have this discussion with you. As soon as you have done this for every currently homeless or malnourished child who is an American citizen. Or do you want to let the illegals jump to the front of the line, yet again?

Are you willing to reallocate public funds in order to make taking care of the homeless and malnourished children already here a priority to take precedence over nearly everything else?

Moving the goalposts again I see.

 

[Sarnoff]

Oh great, now Tim is gonna say he represents real American values.

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

Question for you Sarnoff: do theses words, which are inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, represent real American values? Yes or no? If the answer is no, fine, you and I have different views about America.

But if the answer is yes, how can you possibly reconcile this with your position on illegal immigration?

They're not "yearning to breathe free", they're hoping for more handouts from a government hell bent on bankrupting itself.

 

[Sarnoff]

And before we go any farther discussing this issue, we need to all realize how wrong it is. And this is at the very heart of my objection. Even if, somehow in a fantasy world, you could make the argument that illegals were good for our society, that they didn’t harm us in any way but actually benefited us, that they didn’t have any cost to our prisons, our schools, our hospitals; even if all this were true, I would still be against them, because they’re illegal. They broke the law by coming here. And if you allow the law to be broken by their presence, then what’s the point of any of our laws? Why not just live in a lawless society?

 

[Christo]

Oh great, now Tim is gonna say he represents real American values.

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

Exactly. It's not Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses looking for a handout.

 

[JHuber77]

Who is talking about feeding the entire world? Not me. It would certainly be better for us if we tried.

But in this thread, all I'm talking about is feeding the children who have risked their lives to come to our borders, rather than turning them away.

You mean reward the parents who forced their children to risk their lives by taking on their responsibility.

Reward the parents....

Yeah, I'm sure these parents back in Guatemala and Honduras are feeling real "rewarded" right about now. They allow their children to leave and risk death in hope of a better future. Some of the posts in here are unbelievable to me.

and this is not me misquoting you.

 

[johnnycakes]

This just in: Eccentric Chinese tycoon Chen Guangbiao took out a full-page bilingual advertisement in the New York Times, inviting underprivileged Americans to a charity lunch and offering cash handouts.

Hong Kong (CNN) -- Eccentric Chinese tycoon Chen Guangbiao took out a full-page bilingual advertisement in the New York Times, inviting underprivileged Americans to a charity lunch and offering cash handouts.

According to Chinese media reports, the ad appeared in the New York Times print edition on Monday, announcing that Chen would host a charity luncheon at New York Central Park's Loeb Boathouse on June 25 for 1,000 "poor and destitute Americans". Each participant would also receive $300.

Chen, who is known for theatrical philanthropic stunts, has a photo of himself in the ad placed side-by-side with a picture of Lei Feng, a Chinese soldier from the Mao-era who is celebrated as a selfless model citizen. The title above the images says, "China's 'Lei Feng for a new era.'"

Those who wish to join the luncheon need to RSVP via a Hotmail email address.

Chen said he was hoping the lunch would show the U.S. that there are Chinese philanthropists.

"There are many wealthy Chinese billionaires but most of them gained their wealth from market speculation and colluding with government officials while destroying the environment. I can't bear the sight of it," Chen told theSouth China Morning Post.

Making his fortune from recycling domestic waste and construction materials in China, Chen has been in the media spotlight in recent years for his dramatic publicity stunts promoting philanthropic causes. He arrived at the scene of the 2013 Lushan earthquake in Sichuan just hours after the disaster took place and personally handed out cash to the victims.

Chen has also tried unsuccessfully to buy the New York Times as part of his ongoing campaign to develop closer ties between U.S. and China. He recently expressed a desire to reignite discussions to buy the paper's opinionsection and fill it with articles about environmental protection and charity.

Founder of the Huangpu Renewable Resources Utilization Group, Chen has donated hundreds of millions of dollars to various charitable causes over the years and has made it more than once onto Forbes' list of Asia's leading philanthropists.

But not everyone is taken with Chen's flashy generosity.

Jeremy Goldkorn, director of Chinese media research firm Danwei, says: "Chen is a clown whose so-called philanthropy appears to consist entirely of self-promotional stunts like giving handouts of cash in Taipei and New York, and cans of air to people in China."

Goldkorn has also tweeted that Chen is the "greatest insult to the Chinese people."

Other critics find it difficult to take Chen seriously when his English namecard lists an absurdly long string of self-aggrandizing titles, including "Most Charismatic Philanthropist of China."