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I don't like Todd Haley and charlie weiss (1 Viewer)

who gives you the better chance to win a or b

  • A. J. Charles

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  • B. Thomas Jones

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HMMMM this is real hard here.. Haley sits there and bashes his young rb and says how he is a developmental player, then has him back up tjones all preseaon and not get in the game til late first quarter like some back up... The chiefs almost lost the game on conservativeness in third, fourth quarter, had it not been for charles long run, mccluster punt return and very stout defense Djohnson, hali, jackson, the chargers would have won... The idiot says he will play the hot hand and the guy that gives him best chance to win... come on haley give charles 20-25 touches not 11

11 carries 92 yards 8.4 ypc

jones had 11 carries for Fn 30 yards.... get real anyone who thinks that isn't ludacris is not watching what im watching... That charles is an AWESOME, I repeat Awesome runner. if he got 20-25 carries a game he may break 2000 yards he is that dang good

 
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They won the game.

They didn't sign Thomas Jones and pay him that much money to sit on the bench. That should have been obvious to everyone, including all Charles owners who are already #####ing about him not getting enough carries.

With a passing game as ineffective as theirs looks, having two RBs who can carry the ball will be huge.

 
T with T said:
HMMMM this is real hard here.. Haley sits there and bashes his young rb and says how he is a developmental player, then has him back up tjones all preseaon and not get in the game til late first quarter like some back up... The chiefs almost lost the game on conservativeness in third, fourth quarter, had it not been for charles long run, mccluster punt return and very stout defense Djohnson, hali, jackson, the chargers would have won... The idiot says he will play the hot hand and the guy that gives him best chance to win... come on haley give charles 20-25 touches not 11

11 carries 92 yards 8.4 ypc

jones had 11 carries for Fn 30 yards.... get real anyone who thinks that isn't ludacris is not watching what im watching... That charles is an AWESOME, I repeat Awesome runner. if he got 20-25 carries a game he may break 2000 yards he is that dang good
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-jb- said:
Thought T with T was supposed to have a nice season.
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what do you mean by that JB??? i am having a nice season im back i was only suspended first week... im back ok so your gonna have to deal with me. I started this thread to see the shark pool thoughts quit whining about a thread that is similar to some charles owners.. Im saying this directly as a fan of the game Im stating that haley/weiss are bums... their is no thread discussing that so get your panties out of a knot and lets talk some football... all this yellow water peeing crap is stupid....
 
talk about ineffectiveness of haley,weiss offensive system, their gameplan and Cassell who they love and who is incapable of being that stud qb that they dearly need.

 
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-jb- said:
Thought T with T was supposed to have a nice season.
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what do you mean by that JB??? i am having a nice season im back i was only suspended first week... im back ok so your gonna have to deal with me. I started this thread to see the shark pool thoughts quit whining about a thread that is similar to some charles owners.. Im saying this directly as a fan of the game Im stating that haley/weiss are bums... their is no thread discussing that so get your panties out of a knot and lets talk some football... all this yellow water peeing crap is stupid....
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Jones did what they wanted him to do with the football and charles did what he did. Just because charles busted a long run doesn't mean he should be getting the ball all the time in their offense. They want to put the grinding and the beating on Jones so that they can attack with Charles. Now my guess is you look at the 11 for 92 and think "man if he got 20 carries he would have had 200 yards." but that was pretty doubtful. If you think they are going to make Charles the workhorse anytime soon you definitely have another thing coming.

 
Regardless, Charles needs more touches than he got last week. Does TJ have the ability to score from anywhere on the field? At a minimum, Charles needs to be in there on every third down and alternate series with TJ.

 
good stuff in here i also wonder what todd haley is thinking i mean wtf why doesn't that guy use jamaal on every play he should get a new job like flipping burgers or something don't you think in fact my dog can call better plays and he can't even put a headset on lol football is sweet

 
If their quarterback could convert an occasional 3rd down there would be enough carries to go around. Charles ideally would be in the 15-18 carry range with a few receptions.

 
I'd love to see Charles get more carries, as I suspect all Charles owners would. However, I wonder if the breakdown of carries was somewhat dictated by the weather. That game was played in less than ideal conditions. I can see where they may have wanted to go with a plodding veteran rather than an explosive youngin' under those circumstances. It will be interesting to see how the carries divide up in week 2.

The one other thing I noticed with Charles, albeit in limited views, is that he didn't seem to give great effort when picking up blocks in the backfield against the Chargers. I don't know his history in this regard, but on a couple of plays, he seemed content with just getting in the way of the rusher as opposed to actually blocking. Hopefully, those were atypical, isolated examples.

 
I would vote if had a 3rd option of RBBC. Both are very different types of runners much like Barber/Felix and Bush/McFadden.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
If their quarterback could convert an occasional 3rd down there would be enough carries to go around. Charles ideally would be in the 15-18 carry range with a few receptions.
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If Jones got more than 1 yard on first down, Cassell might not have as many 3rd and longs.
 
:unsure: at the 11 Thomas Jones owners who voted for him. Priceless.
 
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Ignoratio Elenchi said:
Warpig said:
:sadbanana: at the 11 Thomas Jones owners who voted for him. Priceless.
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Half of them voted for him for shtick purposes, and the other half voted for both choices because they could.
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I voted bothJones will help keep Charles fresh. You don't want your smallish guy getting pounded in the first few weeks. You want to wait until opposing Ds are a little bit beat up - then you give him 20 carries.It's a marathon, not a sprint
 
Sam Quentin said:
Jones will help keep Charles fresh. You don't want your smallish guy getting pounded in the first few weeks. You want to wait until opposing Ds are a little bit beat up - then you give him 20 carries.It's a marathon, not a sprint
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:goodposting: Don't get me wrong, I love playing FF, but NFL teams are trying to win games, not score as many points as possible for our fantasy teams.
 
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Todem said:
T with T said:
-jb- said:
Thought T with T was supposed to have a nice season.
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what do you mean by that JB??? i am having a nice season im back i was only suspended first week... im back ok so your gonna have to deal with me. I started this thread to see the shark pool thoughts quit whining about a thread that is similar to some charles owners.. Im saying this directly as a fan of the game Im stating that haley/weiss are bums... their is no thread discussing that so get your panties out of a knot and lets talk some football... all this yellow water peeing crap is stupid....
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with 20 carries he would have had around 150 or so maybe more... Im not saying he has to be a workhorse 15-20 carries and 5 catches would be great... he is a stud in the making and jones should fade fast like he did in NEW YORK
 
Matter of time. He will put up big time numbers this year. Yeah Jones will keep him fresh. I get it. But Charles will average 18-20 touches over the course of this season. Otherwise they will lose a ton of games (they may anyway but at least they have a better chance to win).

Clearly the best weapon on this team. McCluster is a special teams, slot guy not an NFL RB.

 
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Ghost Rider said:
Sam Quentin said:
Jones will help keep Charles fresh. You don't want your smallish guy getting pounded in the first few weeks. You want to wait until opposing Ds are a little bit beat up - then you give him 20 carries.It's a marathon, not a sprint
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:thumbup: Don't get me wrong, I love playing FF, but NFL teams are trying to win games, not score as many points as possible for our fantasy teams.
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ok so your telling me by giving jones 50-50 on the carries that gave them a better chance to win??? charles avg 8.4 ypc while jones avg 3.4... they would hand off on first down to him he would get stuffed a couple then u got third and long... charles only had two carries in the first quarter including the 56 yarder that was amazing... the point is they dont have to OVER USE Him like ala chris Johnson. Whats wrong with 15-20 carries instead of 11 and maybe 3-5 catches instead of 1... he had 12 touches and looked like he was able to double that no problem. any way you look at it charles gives you a better chance to win games, a better chance to have more 3rd and short and 2nd and shorts..... charles opens up everything on offense and I think the only times they scored was while charles was in... I think the game would have been 28-14 or 35-14 had charles had 20-22 carries and 5 catches
 
Hang 10 said:
It's funny that Haley wins one game and suddenly he's got this perfect plan that can't be questioned.
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It's just as funny that a coach doesn't do what their fantasy owners want, and because of that the coach is viewed as an idiot.
 
They won the football game.

Some of you are so naive based on your FF roster. It's comical. You would approach having a point if the Chiefs had lost and Jones got 70% of the work. They won and Charles got 50%. That number will only go up as the conditions get better and the Chiefs don't have a 14-point lead.

 
zamboni said:
Hang 10 said:
It's funny that Haley wins one game and suddenly he's got this perfect plan that can't be questioned.
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It's just as funny that a coach doesn't do what their fantasy owners want, and because of that the coach is viewed as an idiot.
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Haley is still that idiot that was going to give LJ 300 carries last year with his whopping 2.9 ypc.
 
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zamboni said:
Hang 10 said:
It's funny that Haley wins one game and suddenly he's got this perfect plan that can't be questioned.
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It's just as funny that a coach doesn't do what their fantasy owners want, and because of that the coach is viewed as an idiot.
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why do people keep saying people with him on the fantasy roster???? this has nothing to do with that... its about winning games, giving you the best chance to win games... do you think the titans want CJ to get 25-30 touches or 10-15 and ringer 10-15.....???? what gives them better chance to win.. ringer 5-10 and cj 20-30 i think that is more reasonable... All im saying is Charles 15-25 touches and tjones 8-13 touches woudl be reasonable... run charles on them first down and second downs more... to many 3 and outs with Tjones..everyone always points to tjones 1400 yards but look how many carries it took to reach that 335? he avg barely over 4 ypc.... he is an avg back with tons of miles... charles has low miles and avoids big hits... he is a super well conditioned athlete and I think they are underutilizing him... there are thousands of excuses why or whatever bottom line is Get Jamaal the ball
 
Anyone who didn't see this coming wasn't paying attention. Jones was starting all preseason. They signed him as a FA to significant deal. You didn't even have to be a shark to realize that these 2 guys would be splitting carries during the season.

I must admit though, it is very entertaining to see all these Charles owners getting so upset. They're like a bunch of women who married polygamists, and then after the wedding they are shocked and bewildered that their husbands have other wives.

 
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zamboni said:
Hang 10 said:
It's funny that Haley wins one game and suddenly he's got this perfect plan that can't be questioned.
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It's just as funny that a coach doesn't do what their fantasy owners want, and because of that the coach is viewed as an idiot.
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why do people keep saying people with him on the fantasy roster???? this has nothing to do with that... its about winning games, giving you the best chance to win games... do you think the titans want CJ to get 25-30 touches or 10-15 and ringer 10-15.....???? what gives them better chance to win.. ringer 5-10 and cj 20-30 i think that is more reasonable... All im saying is Charles 15-25 touches and tjones 8-13 touches woudl be reasonable... run charles on them first down and second downs more... to many 3 and outs with Tjones..everyone always points to tjones 1400 yards but look how many carries it took to reach that 335? he avg barely over 4 ypc.... he is an avg back with tons of miles... charles has low miles and avoids big hits... he is a super well conditioned athlete and I think they are underutilizing him... there are thousands of excuses why or whatever bottom line is Get Jamaal the ball
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I am also a Charles owner and want nothing more than to have Jones get about 5 carries a game and Charles the rest.But in real life NFL terms - and unfortunately for us Charles owners - limiting his workload is probably best for both Charles and the Chiefs.

It saves the wear and tear on Charles, who relies on his explosiveness on every carry. Run him around 20+ times a game, including up the gut into the defensive wall, and it will probably take its toll on his explosiveness over time.

We may look at Jones' stats and say why is he getting the ball at around 3 yards a carry? But if Jones is converting first downs on many of those carries, then I'm sure Haley doesn't care what his stats show. And if he can complement Jones with Charles' ability to break the big one, that is what he is looking for in his offense.

Again, sucks for us fantasy owners, but it makes a lot of sense in controlling the clock and trying to keep drives going.

 
I was at this game and yeah even though we won i was still getting mad for seeing Jones in over and over... Im not a believer of him.. Anyone could run behind that Jets O-line

 
This isn't even close. I compare it to the Felix Jones situation. Sometimes teams get so enthralled with packages they forget who their best players are. It makes you wonder what these guys are smoking, LOL. It simply doesn't make sense. Like I've said many times, NFL coaches are a stubborn lot.

I'm not saying you can't give RBs like Thomas Jones & Barber a role, but for every touch Charles & Felix don't get, you lose a chance at a homerun. And both of the latter RBs are much more than homerun hitters. They can help your offense put points on the board...& that's what it's all about.

Charles & Felix will eventually be FF monsters, but you may have to be patient. Great dynasty stock if you don't have to pay an arm & a leg.

 
The "shift" key can be found under either the "caps lock" key on the left or the "enter" key on the right. Also it seems like your period key gets stuck when you press it.

 
zamboni said:
T with T said:
zamboni said:
Hang 10 said:
It's funny that Haley wins one game and suddenly he's got this perfect plan that can't be questioned.
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It's just as funny that a coach doesn't do what their fantasy owners want, and because of that the coach is viewed as an idiot.
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why do people keep saying people with him on the fantasy roster???? this has nothing to do with that... its about winning games, giving you the best chance to win games... do you think the titans want CJ to get 25-30 touches or 10-15 and ringer 10-15.....???? what gives them better chance to win.. ringer 5-10 and cj 20-30 i think that is more reasonable... All im saying is Charles 15-25 touches and tjones 8-13 touches woudl be reasonable... run charles on them first down and second downs more... to many 3 and outs with Tjones..everyone always points to tjones 1400 yards but look how many carries it took to reach that 335? he avg barely over 4 ypc.... he is an avg back with tons of miles... charles has low miles and avoids big hits... he is a super well conditioned athlete and I think they are underutilizing him... there are thousands of excuses why or whatever bottom line is Get Jamaal the ball
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I am also a Charles owner and want nothing more than to have Jones get about 5 carries a game and Charles the rest.But in real life NFL terms - and unfortunately for us Charles owners - limiting his workload is probably best for both Charles and the Chiefs.

It saves the wear and tear on Charles, who relies on his explosiveness on every carry. Run him around 20+ times a game, including up the gut into the defensive wall, and it will probably take its toll on his explosiveness over time.

We may look at Jones' stats and say why is he getting the ball at around 3 yards a carry? But if Jones is converting first downs on many of those carries, then I'm sure Haley doesn't care what his stats show. And if he can complement Jones with Charles' ability to break the big one, that is what he is looking for in his offense.

Again, sucks for us fantasy owners, but it makes a lot of sense in controlling the clock and trying to keep drives going.
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Okay, but that wasn't happening on Monday night. Jones' lack of effectiveness was putting them in third and longs that they couldn't convert. Luckily, the weather and their defense/special teams combined to give them the win, but that offense isn't going to win games for them unless Charles gets a bigger role.
 
Grahamburn said:
Calmer than you are.
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:thumbup: Exactly.

T&T, one more try. We try to keep the over the top chest pounding to a minimum here. Try the FFA if you're into that.

If you want to discuss football and do it with a minimum of shtick, we do that here. Some (many?) will think we're boring. We're ok with that. Thanks.

J

 
Dexter Manley said:
Anyone who didn't see this coming wasn't paying attention. Jones was starting all preseason. They signed him as a FA to significant deal. You didn't even have to be a shark to realize that these 2 guys would be splitting carries during the season.I must admit though, it is very entertaining to see all these Charles owners getting so upset. They're like a bunch of women who married polygamists, and then after the wedding they are shocked and bewildered that their husbands have other wives.
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wrong how do you get this logic... anyone who didn't see this coming isn't paying attention??? what anyone who didn't see JC run for over 1100 yards at 5.9 yards a clip isn't paying attention.. Jones was brought in to Complement not share 50-50... it was supposed to be Jc 65-70 and tjones 30-35... so your wrong again and thats a fact they said they were bringin him in to complement not START....
 
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