I don't mind seeing Marino lose some records (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

Interesting to watch Marino today as Favre blew past his completion record.

Sharpe has been giving him some business today but just recently sort of got serious and said something like "it's better have had the record and see it broken than to never have had it at all"

Esiason as a fellow QB chimed in and went with:

"If you (Marino) played in this day and age, you would have all the records, believe me."

Marino's response was sort of typical: "I do have them all except for that one."

I kind of hope Favre / Manning smash them all.

J

 

[Beergogglz]

So you're not a Marino fan, or not a fan of his perceived attitude? Don't forget, he was a competitive athlete after all. Is he supposed to smile and meekly say, "Yes, I think it's great that my name isn't at the top of the list anymore. Bravo."

He worked very hard to set those records. I'd cut him some slack if he doesn't like to see them fall.

 

[Sweeper]

It's a natural part of the game.

Players get better, seasons get long and records get broken. I think it is exciting to watch and exciting to see.

IMO .. it's especially nice to see the records set today and broken years from now. Watching the game where a new record is set and remembering when and how the original record was set makes it a bit exciting.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

 

[pacman_fl]

Agreed. Records are made to be broken and that's just the reality of sports. Personal opinons only here but I think the competitiveness that drove Marino still sticks with him What could be interesting is if Manning never wins a Super Bowl yet eventually takes out most of the records. I imagine Dan would go with "well, he never won a Super Bowl either and he had a better running game than I did". The great ones always have their detractors and some of this is caused by the player's arrogence and/or success. We see it here all the time with the Favre/Manning naysayers.

 

[thesurfshop19]

I'm hoping Jerry Rice's records fall. Of course, they're unbreakable since he's the greatest human being in the history of civilization ....

 

[Marc Levin]

I'm hoping Jerry Rice's records fall. Of course, they're unbreakable since he's the greatest human being in the history of civilization ....

Are you wrong for wanting to see them fall - - no.Are you overreacting to Marino not being happy about his records being broken?

 

[Army Eye]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I don't think it's "wrong", but it's definitely not "being excellent."

 

[Chase Stuart]

I don't mind seeing them fall either, JB.

 

[Marc Levin]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

 

[Marc Levin]

I don't think it's "wrong", but it's definitely not "being excellent."

???Dan Marino's a member of these boards?He'd be insulted?What makes Joe's post "not excellent?"

 

[Marc Levin]

I don't mind seeing them fall either, JB.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

Marino even with the records, could never be considered the greatest QB in history without the rings. His records mean something, just not as much as he might think.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Unitas, Favre, Montana, Brady, or Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

 

[Marc Levin]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

??I understand the others.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

??I understand the others.

Guy was one of the greatest leaders in any sports' history. The QB position requires not just skill, smarts, and execution but also a guy who can tell successful men who have had everything handed to them their entire lives, to shut up and listen. Statistics don't account for this but look at his performances in the playoffs and on the grandest stage in the game and the proof is in the pudding.

 

[Marc Levin]

If the only thing you care about is the playoffs, I'll give you that Bradshaw is more of a leader than Marino was in the playoffs.

In all other respects of the QB spot, however, Bradshaw is inferior.

Like I said, I understand the argument for the others, but Bradshaw simply lacked the physical tools or the statistical numbers to be considered one of the greatest ever.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

??I understand the others.

I was going to post something similar but didn't want to hijack. Now that you already have . . . on my list of the best QBs since 1980, I've got Marino top three and Bradshaw outside the top ten. (Ahead of Bradshaw would be, at least, Manning, Marino, Montana, Young, Elway, Favre, Fouts, Kelly, Brady, and Warner in his prime.)

 

[Doctor Detroit]

If the only thing you care about is the playoffs, I'll give you that Bradshaw is more of a leader than Marino was in the playoffs.In all other respects of the QB spot, however, Bradshaw is inferior.Like I said, I understand the argument for the others, but Bradshaw simply lacked the physical tools or the statistical numbers to be considered one of the greatest ever.

Well I'll tell you what, most professional people around the sport would take Bradshaw's ability to lead his team to Super Bowl victories over anything Marino ever did. I mean it's not even close and physical tools mean nothing when talking about the greatest QB ever. If that's the case you must think Michael Vick is the greatest QB ever because he's probably the most physically gifted to ever play there. Super Bowl wins>statistics to me. Especially when we are talking four Super Bowl wins. If you want to talk about pure ability to play the position on any one play or set of downs then Marino was incredible. His vision, release, accuracy, and know-how are matched only by Manning IMO. But give me a guy like Bradshaw on my team any day. Bradshaw was a leader, a winner, and a guy who did whatever it took to win a championship.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

??I understand the others.

I was going to post something similar but didn't want to hijack. Now that you already have . . . on my list of the best QBs since 1980, I've got Marino top three and Bradshaw outside the top ten. (Ahead of Bradshaw would be, at least, Manning, Marino, Montana, Young, Elway, Favre, Fouts, Kelly, Brady, and Warner in his prime.)

Well your criteria and my criteria as far as QBs are different. If you are talking pure throwers Fouts makes the conversation. If you are talking QB as a whole person, whole team concept Fouts is a joke. I asked Terry Bradhshaw who were the best QBs he ever played against. When he didn't say Fouts I was surprised so I asked him about it. He said, "He is not a good guy. Arrogant man and not a guy that a team would follow." Fouts was a great passer not a great QB. Marino was more of a great passer than he was a great QB. Oh, and I think Elway is the greatest QB ever.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Unitas, Favre, Montana, Brady, or Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

So because Favre won ONE super bowl that makes him better? You do realize that he had the #1 ranked defense that year and that Desmond Howard was the main reason they won that game, right? So if Howard doesn't dominate that game and they lose then hes somehow less of a player because of that?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Unitas, Favre, Montana, Brady, or Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

So because Favre won ONE super bowl that makes him better? You do realize that he had the #1 ranked defense that year and that Desmond Howard was the main reason they won that game, right? So if Howard doesn't dominate that game and they lose then hes somehow less of a player because of that?

Look at how he compares to Marino statistically. Favre won a Super Bowl, Marino didn't. Favre>Marino.

 

[Warsteinner]

Interesting to watch Marino today as Favre blew past his completion record.Sharpe has been giving him some business today but just recently sort of got serious and said something like "it's better have had the record and see it broken than to never have had it at all"Esiason as a fellow QB chimed in and went with:"If you (Marino) played in this day and age, you would have all the records, believe me."Marino's response was sort of typical: "I do have them all except for that one."I kind of hope Favre / Manning smash them all.J

Why would it be wrong? Did you root against Sosa and Big Mac to preserve Maris' record?Either way, Marino will never have to worry about Manning having more Super Bowl Rings than he does.

 

[BigRed]

Interesting to watch Marino today as Favre blew past his completion record.Sharpe has been giving him some business today but just recently sort of got serious and said something like "it's better have had the record and see it broken than to never have had it at all"Esiason as a fellow QB chimed in and went with:"If you (Marino) played in this day and age, you would have all the records, believe me."Marino's response was sort of typical: "I do have them all except for that one."I kind of hope Favre / Manning smash them all.J

I could live w/Manning breaking them more than Favre, and not just from being a Colt fan (PS I wouldn't mind much if neither of them did). Favre has been playing far longer than he should've and I think it's at least in part to grab some records. Lame. Plus his hemming and hawing about retiring or not BS. I lost of ton of respect for him this year.PS nice 3 picks w/no TDs vs lame DET secondary there Brett. PS2 - lol @ once again the "winning a SB means he's a better QB" gibberish coming up.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Interesting to watch Marino today as Favre blew past his completion record.

Sharpe has been giving him some business today but just recently sort of got serious and said something like "it's better have had the record and see it broken than to never have had it at all"

Esiason as a fellow QB chimed in and went with:

"If you (Marino) played in this day and age, you would have all the records, believe me."

Marino's response was sort of typical: "I do have them all except for that one."

I kind of hope Favre / Manning smash them all.

J

I could live w/Manning breaking them more than Favre, and not just from being a Colt fan (PS I wouldn't mind much if neither of them did). Favre has been playing far longer than he should've and I think it's at least in part to grab some records. Lame. Plus his hemming and hawing about retiring or not BS. I lost of ton of respect for him this year.PS nice 3 picks w/no TDs vs lame DET secondary there Brett.

PS2 - lol @ once again the "winning a SB means he's a better QB" gibberish coming up.

You're the master.

 

[Kirby]

So the definition of a great QB for some of you is a QB that was on a team good enough to win a superbowl? Marino on any of the teams of the QB's you named wins superbowls.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

So the definition of a great QB for some of you is a QB that was on a team good enough to win a superbowl? Marino on any of the teams of the QB's you named wins superbowls.

Hypothetical. The teams at the end of his career had good defenses. That didn't seem to help.

 

[scott72]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Unitas, Favre, Montana, Brady, or Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

So because Favre won ONE super bowl that makes him better? You do realize that he had the #1 ranked defense that year and that Desmond Howard was the main reason they won that game, right? So if Howard doesn't dominate that game and they lose then hes somehow less of a player because of that?

Yeah Favre's two TD passes meant nothing...

 

[scott72]

Interesting to watch Marino today as Favre blew past his completion record.Sharpe has been giving him some business today but just recently sort of got serious and said something like "it's better have had the record and see it broken than to never have had it at all"Esiason as a fellow QB chimed in and went with:"If you (Marino) played in this day and age, you would have all the records, believe me."Marino's response was sort of typical: "I do have them all except for that one."I kind of hope Favre / Manning smash them all.J

I could live w/Manning breaking them more than Favre, and not just from being a Colt fan (PS I wouldn't mind much if neither of them did). Favre has been playing far longer than he should've and I think it's at least in part to grab some records. Lame. Plus his hemming and hawing about retiring or not BS. I lost of ton of respect for him this year.PS nice 3 picks w/no TDs vs lame DET secondary there Brett. PS2 - lol @ once again the "winning a SB means he's a better QB" gibberish coming up.

Did you watch the game?? Two of those picks were tipped off of WR's hands. Balls that should of been caught..

 

[BigRed]

Did you watch the game?? Two of those picks were tipped off of WR's hands. Balls that should of been caught..

Fair enough, no I didn't. I could wonder if where/how he threw them had something to do w/it - but it's not really relevant to the topic and I shouldn't have thrown it in there in the first place. Just couldn't resist. :X

 

[Bad_Mo]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

And Brady will break both Marino and Manning's SB title records....

 

[Barry]

If the only thing you care about is the playoffs, I'll give you that Bradshaw is more of a leader than Marino was in the playoffs.

In all other respects of the QB spot, however, Bradshaw is inferior.

Like I said, I understand the argument for the others, but Bradshaw simply lacked the physical tools or the statistical numbers to be considered one of the greatest ever.

agree with everyhting but this. he had all the tools.

 

[Tau837]

Well I'll tell you what, most professional people around the sport would take Bradshaw's ability to lead his team to Super Bowl victories over anything Marino ever did. I mean it's not even close...

I ask this because I truly don't know. Did Bradshaw really lead those teams to those victories? Seems to me that they had a HOF RB, two HOF WRs, a HOF head coach, and one of the best defenses of all time, which included a number of HOFers.What I'm getting at is that I believe a number of QBs could have been substituted for Bradshaw and the Steelers still would have won.I mean, Bradshaw was the guy, no doubt, and he deserves kudos for his role. But to suggest that his leadership was so instrumental as to elevate him over other all time great QBs like Marino seems like a stretch IMO.

 

[Marc Levin]

JWB.

I understand liking Bradshaw, but to elevate him into the greatest of all time category?

Heck, I am willing to bet BRADSHAW would be the first to disagree with anyone calling him a better QB than Marino.

As I mentioned, I uderstand liking Bradshaw - I like him, too. But, to elevate him to one of the greatest of all time? And to call him a better QB than one who is considered by just about everyone to be top-10 if not top-5?

Well, I think you'll be walking that road alone

 

[Bri]

Interesting to watch Marino today as Favre blew past his completion record.Sharpe has been giving him some business today but just recently sort of got serious and said something like "it's better have had the record and see it broken than to never have had it at all"Esiason as a fellow QB chimed in and went with:"If you (Marino) played in this day and age, you would have all the records, believe me."Marino's response was sort of typical: "I do have them all except for that one."I kind of hope Favre / Manning smash them all.J

I wish Esiason would stop talking about his playing days. I never thought he was that good. I'd like to see records broken too, not so much to see Marino bugged by it but that sorta comes with the territory

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

??I understand the others.

I was going to post something similar but didn't want to hijack. Now that you already have . . . on my list of the best QBs since 1980, I've got Marino top three and Bradshaw outside the top ten. (Ahead of Bradshaw would be, at least, Manning, Marino, Montana, Young, Elway, Favre, Fouts, Kelly, Brady, and Warner in his prime.)

Why would Bradshaw be on a list of best QBs since 1980??

 

[Bri]

I understand liking Bradshaw, but to elevate him into the greatest of all time category?

he's got an awful lot of rings to NOT be considerred one of the greatest.

 

[Marc Levin]

Troy Aikman should be considered one of the greatest?

 

[Bri]

I was going to post something similar but didn't want to hijack. Now that you already have . . . on my list of the best QBs since 1980, I've got Marino top three and Bradshaw outside the top ten. (Ahead of Bradshaw would be, at least, Manning, Marino, Montana, Young, Elway, Favre, Fouts, Kelly, Brady, and Warner in his prime.)

Fouts and Kelly and Warner I disagree with.Didn't Kelly lose as many Supes as Bradshaw won? Warner's career is too brief IMO.Fouts slung it better but I guess I prefer the rings

 

[Gatorman]

Interesting to watch Marino today as Favre blew past his completion record.Sharpe has been giving him some business today but just recently sort of got serious and said something like "it's better have had the record and see it broken than to never have had it at all"Esiason as a fellow QB chimed in and went with:"If you (Marino) played in this day and age, you would have all the records, believe me."Marino's response was sort of typical: "I do have them all except for that one."I kind of hope Favre / Manning smash them all.J

I guess I will walk the line of a banning here by saying that I am sure than Dan and the people of South Florida could care less what you think. Your city would kill for a guy of Marino's caliber to hold your teams record for what he did on the field and what he continues to do in this community off the field. I have a lot of respect for both Manning and Favre, and if Marino is to lose any of his records they may as well be the guys to do it, but when Manning beats Favres completion record and Favre says the same thing, you'll say "the competitor in Favre didn't like to lose that record". Is there a hypocrite smiley around here?Marino was class the whole way and still is. He had no painkiller addiction, has done a ton of stuff down here in Miami, and if not for a ruptured achillies, no one would get near his record. Lets see if you let this post stand.

 

[Bri]

Troy Aikman should be considered one of the greatest?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_AikmanHe is considered one of the best NFL quarterbacks of his era, and was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in February 2006.

95 on The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players. ...

 

[Borat]

Marino's response was sort of typical: "I do have them all except for that one."I kind of hope Favre / Manning smash them all.J

I think we could find just as many personality flaws with Favre or Manning that we could with Marino.

 

[Marc Levin]

Troy Aikman should be considered one of the greatest?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_AikmanHe is considered one of the best NFL quarterbacks of his era, and was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in February 2006.

95 on The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players. ...

What's your point?

Noone talks about Aikmnan as one of the greatest QBs of all time. If you do, it'd be a first.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Unitas, Favre, Montana, Brady, or Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

So because Favre won ONE super bowl that makes him better? You do realize that he had the #1 ranked defense that year and that Desmond Howard was the main reason they won that game, right? So if Howard doesn't dominate that game and they lose then hes somehow less of a player because of that?

desmond howard winning the super bowl MVP ws a joke. I am pretty sure favre's 2 passing TDs and one rushing TD were a huge factor in that game. And desmond howard scored his 99 yard return TD when the packers were already ahead 28-21. Take that away and his game doesnt even stand out.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Unitas, Favre, Montana, Brady, or Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

So because Favre won ONE super bowl that makes him better? You do realize that he had the #1 ranked defense that year and that Desmond Howard was the main reason they won that game, right? So if Howard doesn't dominate that game and they lose then hes somehow less of a player because of that?

desmond howard winning the super bowl MVP ws a joke. I am pretty sure favre's 2 passing TDs and one rushing TD were a huge factor in that game. And desmond howard scored his 99 yard return TD when the packers were already ahead 28-21. Take that away and his game doesnt even stand out.

It was a huge momentum killer for the Patriots. I'm not saying Favre shouldn't have gotten it, but the Pats were down by 14, had just scored (on a Kieth Buyers TD catch I believe), and the Pats were right back in it, and the offense had gotten rolling......then BOOM. TD on kick return. Pats never got back into it really.

 

[Borat]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Unitas, Favre, Montana, Brady, or Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

So because Favre won ONE super bowl that makes him better? You do realize that he had the #1 ranked defense that year and that Desmond Howard was the main reason they won that game, right? So if Howard doesn't dominate that game and they lose then hes somehow less of a player because of that?

desmond howard winning the super bowl MVP ws a joke. I am pretty sure favre's 2 passing TDs and one rushing TD were a huge factor in that game. And desmond howard scored his 99 yard return TD when the packers were already ahead 28-21. Take that away and his game doesnt even stand out.

Um, did you watch this game?As a Patriots fan, I can assure you that Desmond Howard was a deserving MVP. Favre had a nice game, but it was Howard who broke our backs that day.

 

[Bri]

Troy Aikman should be considered one of the greatest?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_AikmanHe is considered one of the best NFL quarterbacks of his era, and was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in February 2006.

95 on The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players. ...

What's your point?

Noone talks about Aikmnan as one of the greatest QBs of all time. If you do, it'd be a first.

wouldn't one of the best of an era automatically make you amidst the discussion of best all time?It's clear you prefer the gun slinging QBs over the game managers. I do too and never cared for Aikman myself but 3 rings, first ballot HOFer, ya gotta give him some credit IMO

 

[Assani Fisher]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Unitas, Favre, Montana, Brady, or Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

So because Favre won ONE super bowl that makes him better? You do realize that he had the #1 ranked defense that year and that Desmond Howard was the main reason they won that game, right? So if Howard doesn't dominate that game and they lose then hes somehow less of a player because of that?

Look at how he compares to Marino statistically. Favre won a Super Bowl, Marino didn't. Favre>Marino.

So you're basically saying "yes" to my question? IF so, thats fine....I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. But if Howard fumbled instead of returning those 2 TDs then you're saying that makes Favre less of a great player? Is that correct?

 

[Assani Fisher]

Peyton is going to break most of Marino's records anyway. He and Dan can enjoy all their great commercials and records while everyone else wins rings. That's what the game comes down to. Mark Rypien has a ring and Marino doesn't. Trent Dilfer has one, Peyton doesn't. Just sayin'.

What are you sayin'? I don't follow.

I *think* he's saying some QBs only have records to look back on and some only have rings. Nevertheless, it doesn't take a great QB to win a ring, but it certainly takes a great one to set and break records.

Marino was a great QB. He just wasn't Unitas, Favre, Montana, Brady, or Bradshaw. To me those guys are all better and then some.

So because Favre won ONE super bowl that makes him better? You do realize that he had the #1 ranked defense that year and that Desmond Howard was the main reason they won that game, right? So if Howard doesn't dominate that game and they lose then hes somehow less of a player because of that?

Yeah Favre's two TD passes meant nothing...

Of course they meant something- please don't put words in my mouth. But Marino had TD passes in a super bowl too! The point is that a QB must have a great TEAM to win the SB. If Howard fumbles those 2 kick returns and the Patriots recover those fumbles thats a huge swing and the Packers probably lose. I just don't understand how we can say one player is better than another simply based upon one game when winning or losing the game depends more on the teamates than any one player.