Allright, I think everyone can agree that Vick is probably one of the most naturally talented quarterbacks in the league, and is gonna grow into something amazing. But does anyone else think ESPN is just hypeing the crap out of him. I started counting with 6 minutes left in the first quarter. Not counting any of the actual play calling, I have heard the ESPN crew say:"Michael Vick" 42 times."Mike Vick" or "Vick" 14 times.Thats 56 times total. Now lets add 9 times, and thats lowballing, for the 9 minutes I wasn't counting. That brings us to 65 times I have heard ESPN say "Michael Vick", "Mike Vick", or "Vick". Remember, I'm not counting the times his name is said during playcalling. Now, the first half lasted 112 minutes. Lets say 17 minutes is commercials. That leaves us with 95 minutes.If you average that out, that means we have heard the phrase "Michael Vick", "Mike Vick", or "Vick" once every 87.6 seconds. And this isn't counting playcalling. You add that in, and we are probably hearing his name an average of once a minute. Think thats some kind of record?
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The Indestructible
Footballguy
Ya know, I tried to deal him several times during the season, but everybody kept saying "I don't want Vick; I've heard he won't even play this year." So I figured I was stuck with him. I plugged him into my lineup tonight (over BJ) and its amazing to think that, while other teams are scrambling to pick up the flavor-of-the-week on the waiver wire, I've managed to add one of the best players in the game to my roster at no cost. I love my chances heading into the playoffs with Vick, Marshall, and Alexander. 
Gator Shawn
Footballguy
As an Atlanta fan, I watched him every game last year. It didn't occur to me until seeing him back in a full game tonight how amazingly fast he is. I mean obviously you hear about it, but aside from the bigs play tonight, there was a designed HB draw on a 3rd and 15 earlier that he took 3 steps back, waited a second and then shot upfield like a missile.After tonights game, he deserves it.freakin' Michael Vick
dancingbones
Footballguy
The ESPN crew just answered that one for you.Talking about the defense: Q: "You know what makes them better?"A: "Michael Vick."
I still won't draft him. Ever.Okay, I'd take him if he fell to me in the 5th or 6th but I definitely wouldn't have him ranked ahead of guys like Culpepper, McNair, and Manning. Yes, he is an amazing runner but did you see some of the passes he DIDN'T make tonight? A few of those passes would have been made by a good QB. I'm not talking about the passes that should have been thrown 100 MPH hour while running 15 MPH away from a linebacker. I'm talking about the passes that took a little finesse. Vick doesn't know what "the touch" is. He throws everything like he's trying to make ##### in a barn door. Also, there is no way that this guy stays healthy through a whole 16 game season with the way he runs. He's not the biggest guy in the world (as you can see) and he runs with no care for his body. He'd rather take a hit than slide when he already has the first down. So, in summary, watching Vick as a fan..... Owning Vick in a fantasy league..... 
Owning Vick in a fantasy league..... 
baconstripdivots
Footballguy
I managed to pick him up off the waiver wire last week. I already have Manning and Bulger on my roster, with only one QB as a starter. Stuck with Manning all year, and used Bulger in the bye week. Although Vick has more than doubled the points that Peyton put up today, I basically scooped Vick up off the wire and dropped Maddox earlier this week just to keep my competitors from getting Vick. My playoffs start in week 15, and Manning and Vick play against each other, with Manning at home.Manning didn't post great numbers in the first 2 weeks, or today, but I stick with Manning.Just my .02DaveI still won't draft him. Ever.Okay, I'd take him if he fell to me in the 5th or 6th but I definitely wouldn't have him ranked ahead of guys like Culpepper, McNair, and Manning. Yes, he is an amazing runner but did you see some of the passes he DIDN'T make tonight? A few of those passes would have been made by a good QB. I'm not talking about the passes that should have been thrown 100 MPH hour while running 15 MPH away from a linebacker. I'm talking about the passes that took a little finesse. Vick doesn't know what "the touch" is. He throws everything like he's trying to make ##### in a barn door. Also, there is no way that this guy stays healthy through a whole 16 game season with the way he runs. He's not the biggest guy in the world (as you can see) and he runs with no care for his body. He'd rather take a hit than slide when he already has the first down. So, in summary, watching Vick as a fan.....
guderian
Footballguy
Vick=Bo Jackson. Ten years from now we will be debating about what he could have done if he hadn't been injured. Culpepper and McNabb can get away with running because they are 240+ pounds, but Vick runs 215. Furthermore, Vick is just too wreckless. Its fun to watch, but the pounding is going to add-up. Enjoy it while it lasts--this show is going to be like the original star trek--a couple years of original shows and 30 years of re-runs.
tmoney300zx
Footballguy
again with this RKade..... wow, you sure like to repeat yourself....Back to the topic: I agree that Vick is great, but those announcers were just awful. Paul and whoever need to get their nose out of Vicks ### and learn to analyze a football game. It is ok to like him, but these guys are orgasmic about Vick and it makes the game difficult to enjoy.
Vick's play tonight elevated his team to play better on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball. He's this generations version of Barry Sanders. So sit back and enjoy being able to watch him. He's one of those players that years from now, you'll be telling your grankids about his games. Oh, and if the announcers get on your nerves, turn the volume down. Theisman and McGuire should come with a switch all their own.I may not be a fan of Vick, but he's entertaining to say the least.good game tonight
He's this generations version of Barry Sanders. So sit back and enjoy being able to watch him. He's one of those players that years from now, you'll be telling your grankids about his games. Oh, and if the announcers get on your nerves, turn the volume down. Theisman and McGuire should come with a switch all their own.I may not be a fan of Vick, but he's entertaining to say the least.good game tonight 
Da1mac
Footballguy
I love this thread... I was just talking about this. I am sorry, have yet to read what the rest of you have to say. "first game", "Great qb" ect.I think he is OVERRATED. Yes he can run the ball, but he still can't put up the passing numbers. "Oh but his team is poor." Funny you should say that, cause an undrafted, unliked qb by the name of Flutie still can get more TD's for his team and close to as many yards as Mr. Vick. I will be the Rush here and say OVERRATED. Bring the noise on this, cause I love the talk.
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cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
Even if this is how you feel, you're just trying to stir the pot here
QBs come in many different forms and not all need to throw for 250 yards & 2 TDs to be considered successfull.[bottom-line] From what I can tell, it looks like the Falcons will win many more than they lose with Michael Vick under center [/bottom-line]
He will always be overrated to those expecting Dan Marino with jukes.
Though I don't discredit what Flutie is doing, to say that his game today vs the 4-9 Lions is comparable to Vick's game tonight vs the 8-5 Panthers seems a bit of a stretch. Plus Flutie has some guy named Tomlinson to keep the defenses honest. TJ Duckett strikes fear in no one.
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chinawildman
Footballguy
what's all this barry sanders, bo jackson, jordan business? At this point in his career, the guy is randall cunningham, a little faster, and a little less accurate. Unfortunately for him, it appears his career may be marred by injury just like cunningham's was.And please, if you never watched cunningham play back in the late 80's don't bother replying to this thread... i remember I caused an uproar with a similar post in preseason.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
If/when Vick get's his timing down for passes, he is going to have potentail to go 300pass/100 run in every game. I sure don't like all the hits he took today. He took some tough pancake type hits and a cross check on the one play near the goal line where he thought it was a fumble, picked up the ball and got clocked by a DL.I prolly won't own him in any leagues next year cos I won't reach in the first round for a guy that takes that kind of punishment at the QB pos. But since I picked him up off waivers I will enjoy him this year, and no one is more fun to watch. He is definately not someone I want to face in FF. He instills Priest Holmes type fear in his opponents.
Sinrman
Footballguy
This was my first time getting to see Vick in person. MAN he is unbelieveably fast and slick. I can't count the # of times he slipped a tackle and was JUST out of the grasp of a lineman or linebacker. Un-freakin'-believeable...If you've never seen him in person, let me just say, GO and see him. Nevermind the rest of the Falcons who suck (with Duckett being an exception). You may see him on TV and how fast he is there, but you'll have a new appreciation for him in person.....
Sinrman
Footballguy
Oh, and let me add that I was quite glad I saw the game in person rather than see it on TV. I KNEW ESPN would hype the hell out of it, and from the sound of it, they did. I think after about 10 minutes of hearing Theisman and Co. say "Michael Vick" for the 397398739387th time, I would have watched the game on Mute.
I didnt say he was not successful, I said Overrated. BIG difference. Yes he is good, very good. But there are better players out there that get no attention at all. Vick is everywhere. Why, cause he is a top 5 QB? Why not the #1 qb? So he has good feet, what about those that have better arms, and better minds? They get no repect. All I am saying is Overrated.Lebron of NFL. HAs potential, but has yet to show he is worth (as a total pasckage) this much hype.Even if this is how you feel, you're just trying to stir the pot here
QBs come in many different forms and not all need to throw for 250 yards & 2 TDs to be considered successfull.
[bottom-line] From what I can tell, it looks like the Falcons will win many more than they lose with Michael Vick under center [/bottom-line]
He will always be overrated to those expecting Dan Marino with jukes.
I can tell you now that if you put any quick footed QB back there, that they will succeeed and look good doing it. But until you get that ring and can prove to be more then 1 demesional, then not worth the hype.
Big Score
Footballguy
If this is the cracKer I think it is (Atlanta Cracker?). You just put your foot so deep in your mouth with that comment, that you're likely never going to be able to dislodge it.On to Vick. I love the guy. Fellas, remeber he's only been starting in the NFL for one full season and now add a game and one quarter.In his College days, the passing game was an after thought. It was all about Vick and his legs with the occasional pass thrown in.Give him a little more seasoning and barring injuries, his passing will come along. He's still a baby really, in the passing game that is.
cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
no doubt.The LeBron reference isn't close though. Well, maybe, but we'll have to see if James turns Cleveland into a winnig team next year.
Like I said, many ways to get the job done. I don't buy the "need a ring" thing. If the entire team doesn't have championship talent, they won't win a championship. How many current starting QBs own a ring? Is everyone else then overrated?
As one of the most exciting players in the league to watch, he deserves a lot of the hype. I don't think that ESPN could have asked for anything more than what he gave us tonight. The NFL as a business has decided to turn Vick into one of their faceplates, and I don't have a problem with that.
my man otis
Footballguy
You're missing the point about the Vick hype. It has less to do with his skill at QB but more to do with the electricity in the air when he plays. No one, NO ONE, can do what he does on the field, that's what they hype is all about.I doubt you'll find anyone saying he's the best passer, best runner, best QB, best whatever. I can't say he's the #1, #5, #10 or even top 20 QB in the league. Who cares?!?!? He might run recklessly and he might miss some touch passes he should hit. He might get smashed now and then and come up limping. He might even throw a bad INT w/ 6 seconds left in the game.I didnt say he was not successful, I said Overrated. BIG difference. Yes he is good, very good. But there are better players out there that get no attention at all. Vick is everywhere. Why, cause he is a top 5 QB? Why not the #1 qb? So he has good feet, what about those that have better arms, and better minds? They get no repect. All I am saying is Overrated.Lebron of NFL. HAs potential, but has yet to show he is worth (as a total pasckage) this much hype.Even if this is how you feel, you're just trying to stir the pot here
QBs come in many different forms and not all need to throw for 250 yards & 2 TDs to be considered successfull.
[bottom-line] From what I can tell, it looks like the Falcons will win many more than they lose with Michael Vick under center [/bottom-line]
He will always be overrated to those expecting Dan Marino with jukes.
I can tell you now that if you put any quick footed QB back there, that they will succeeed and look good doing it. But until you get that ring and can prove to be more then 1 demesional, then not worth the hype.
Bottom line, I'll never say he's the best anything, but I'll watch him play over anyone else in the league.
OK let's put it this way... you talk to your non-football watching friends (if you have any) and say the name LT and Vick and see who they know better. Now LT is on a team that is as bad, if not worse then Vicks over the last few years, and yet puts up better numbers (football wise) then Vick, and because he is not as "flashy" as Vick, he gets no love. I could say the same for Portis and others. People know Vick from the 100's of covers and video games he premotes, yet these players that are top 3 at their postion (which statistically Vick is not and has yet to be (only a good rusher)). I will tell u now I am right on the fact that he is overrated.
No Ring Required (certainly since it is only his 3rd year).
I have no idea what you are talking about.I can put Randle El back there, and he can run the ball. But is he the best option for QB (maybe since maddox sucks) but in realitly, NO. There is more to the game then he feet. He has yet to put up the "total" yards as the top QB's.You're missing the point about the Vick hype. It has less to do with his skill at QB but more to do with the electricity in the air when he plays. No one, NO ONE, can do what he does on the field, that's what they hype is all about.I doubt you'll find anyone saying he's the best passer, best runner, best QB, best whatever. I can't say he's the #1, #5, #10 or even top 20 QB in the league. Who cares?!?!? He might run recklessly and he might miss some touch passes he should hit. He might get smashed now and then and come up limping. He might even throw a bad INT w/ 6 seconds left in the game.I didnt say he was not successful, I said Overrated. BIG difference. Yes he is good, very good. But there are better players out there that get no attention at all. Vick is everywhere. Why, cause he is a top 5 QB? Why not the #1 qb? So he has good feet, what about those that have better arms, and better minds? They get no repect. All I am saying is Overrated.Lebron of NFL. HAs potential, but has yet to show he is worth (as a total pasckage) this much hype.Even if this is how you feel, you're just trying to stir the pot here
QBs come in many different forms and not all need to throw for 250 yards & 2 TDs to be considered successfull.
[bottom-line] From what I can tell, it looks like the Falcons will win many more than they lose with Michael Vick under center [/bottom-line]
He will always be overrated to those expecting Dan Marino with jukes.
I can tell you now that if you put any quick footed QB back there, that they will succeeed and look good doing it. But until you get that ring and can prove to be more then 1 demesional, then not worth the hype.
Bottom line, I'll never say he's the best anything, but I'll watch him play over anyone else in the league.
The feeling in the "air" as you say is the Hype I am talking about.
Big Score
Footballguy
I'm not sure he's overrated. What I keep hearing from the media is that he's the most exciting player to come out in the QB position in a long time. i don't hear the media proclaiming him the greatest. Maybe he's over hyped, but even the hyping is not a major stretch. The guy is most definitely electrifying. I know I enjoy the heck out of watching him play and he rarely fails to deliver. Seems there's always at least one draw dropping play per game with Vick. I don't have a crystal ball, but I do have eyes. What I see is a QB who's incredibly mobile with possibly the strongest arm in the NFL. From his very first year when he played a mop up role, while Chandelier was still in Atlanta, to now, he's shown great improvement. In his decision making, his passing and his ability to read a defense. All have improved. This leads me to believe that he's intelligent enough to continue learning and growing as an NFL QB. Same as quite a few NFL QB's such as Young, Favre and more recently McNair. All started out rocky before finding their groove in the NFL. I hope / expect the same from Vick.My .02 anyway.
Why not? Yeah exciting... but so is Dante Hall, yet nobody outside Fantasy and hard core football watchers know who he is. Exciting is nothing when it comes to the game. Maybe for nonwatchers. But all of us who watch and study the game know who are the real deal and who is not. So if I said Overhyped, rather then overrated, would you agree with that?
So he is not overrated for QB's, but he is for total production (compared to the real players who are not QB's).Cough :Labron: CoughOooooh so exciting!It's late.I hear what you're saying about LT and others, but that will never change. QBs get the pub, and Michael Vick's "WOW" factor is worth the price of admission.
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