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Tomlinson is NOT helping his team win.Portis was a 2nd round pick so his success is relatively recent compared to Vick.Holmes was undrafted and pretty much came out of nowhere these past few years.While all these players are great and very fun to watch, NONE of them are as unique as Michael Vick. Michael Vick is easily the best athlete to ever play the QB position in the history of the NFL. He runs like Barry Sanders and can throw harder than Brett Favre. If he can develop his accuracy and knowledge of the game, he will be the most unstoppable weapon in the history of football.He's 23 years old and there's nobody I'd rather watch on Sundays.IMO, he has already lived up to the hype and then some.Peyton Manning also got a lot of hype and he's yet to win a playoff game in 3 tries. Vick went out and won a game he had no business winning in a place where no other QB had ever been able to get it done before (Aikman and Young included I believe).Well then why not hype LT? Portis? Hell even Holmes doesn't get the props this guy does IMO. Holmes being the best offensive player out there is back seat to Vick?Give props where they are due. Flash isn't everything.Next thing I will hear is that since Sapp talks all day, he is flashy and is the best ever.
RAIDERNATION.
Footballguy
You asked "what else has he done as a QB?"I pointed out what he did as a QB. Something no other QB had ever done before him, and he did it in his first year as a starter. If you want to ignore that, it is your decision.
We can pretty much end this thread now. CS decided that Vick sucks, and nobody is going to change his mind.
So if I am correct, Labron will be the best ever?He is excitng,unique blah blah blahTomlinson is NOT helping his team win.Portis was a 2nd round pick so his success is relatively recent compared to Vick.Holmes was undrafted and pretty much came out of nowhere these past few years.While all these players are great and very fun to watch, NONE of them are as unique as Michael Vick. Michael Vick is easily the best athlete to ever play the QB position in the history of the NFL. He runs like Barry Sanders and can throw harder than Brett Favre. If he can develop his accuracy and knowledge of the game, he will be the most unstoppable weapon in the history of football.He's 23 years old and there's nobody I'd rather watch on Sundays.IMO, he has already lived up to the hype and then some.Peyton Manning also got a lot of hype and he's yet to win a playoff game in 3 tries. Vick went out and won a game he had no business winning in a place where no other QB had ever been able to get it done before (Aikman and Young included I believe).Well then why not hype LT? Portis? Hell even Holmes doesn't get the props this guy does IMO. Holmes being the best offensive player out there is back seat to Vick?Give props where they are due. Flash isn't everything.Next thing I will hear is that since Sapp talks all day, he is flashy and is the best ever.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
WTF?
You asked me a question...I answered. Is there something wrong with answering mine? I was trying to see your point...if there was one.All I really have yet to see in your argument is your disdain for the hype Vick gets. Admittedly, it's tired. But, THAT IS NOT his fault.At least tell me the best D-line in the NFL.I never said Vick was the best QB ever.What exactly is your point anyway?That you think he's not as good as all the hype? Well, I think it is probably impossible for ANYONE to live up to the hype Vick has gotten. But, I'd say he's come much closer than most people ever had any right to expect him to.This "debate" doesn't really seem to be going anywhere. It's fine to think Vick is overrated/overhyped. So what? The guy is still special.So if I am correct, Labron will be the best ever?He is excitng,unique blah blah blahTomlinson is NOT helping his team win.Portis was a 2nd round pick so his success is relatively recent compared to Vick.Holmes was undrafted and pretty much came out of nowhere these past few years.While all these players are great and very fun to watch, NONE of them are as unique as Michael Vick. Michael Vick is easily the best athlete to ever play the QB position in the history of the NFL. He runs like Barry Sanders and can throw harder than Brett Favre. If he can develop his accuracy and knowledge of the game, he will be the most unstoppable weapon in the history of football.He's 23 years old and there's nobody I'd rather watch on Sundays.IMO, he has already lived up to the hype and then some.Peyton Manning also got a lot of hype and he's yet to win a playoff game in 3 tries. Vick went out and won a game he had no business winning in a place where no other QB had ever been able to get it done before (Aikman and Young included I believe).Well then why not hype LT? Portis? Hell even Holmes doesn't get the props this guy does IMO. Holmes being the best offensive player out there is back seat to Vick?Give props where they are due. Flash isn't everything.Next thing I will hear is that since Sapp talks all day, he is flashy and is the best ever.
That is my point... not saying he is not exciting. Just saying he is not worth 10 threads in the Pool, 100 highlights on ESPN (before you start dawgin, I am over doin it here), etc.He get's to much hype end of story. He will take away from Portis's great day, and all in all a good season that many have had.
What are you looking for? Best rushing D line? Best against the pass? Or just an opinion like yours?Denver, Dallas, etc.Look at #1, #2 so on.WTF?
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
I just realized that Smoo is a lot younger than I thought he was...That concludes this "discussion", for me. 
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
No, you're being irrational. You haven't backed up anything, except your repetitive "overhyped" statements. It's gone nowhere. You had some guys in here that know their #### and had something to add. They were smart enough to leave before me.Later...I just realized that Smoo is a lot younger than I thought he was...That concludes this "discussion", for me.yep 27!
I think a lot of guys covered it on the thread: Michael Vick is exciting to watch. IMHO that is why he will be hyped, over-hyped whatever. Now let's take a look at his skills as a QB:he has great feethe is a great runnerhe is more than McNabb type than the Manning type of QB. Nothing new here. If you like the pocket passer type Marino and Manning, than you won't be impressed by Vick "skills" as a passer. If you like to watch an exciting guy that will make things happen from the QB position than you will love Michael Vick. IMHO he will always be an injury risk and you as a FF guy will always have to factor/live with this wherever you chose to draft him. I almost always play QBBC so he won't ever fall to me in a draft so I don't really need to worry about him from that sense. He is great to watch though. If you are looking to see how the Atlanta Team will fair with him, the last scrambling QB to win the SB was Steve Young. For whatever reason, they don't seem to get there.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
What the heck are you looking for? Equal opportunity hype? You are concerend that each star doesn't get his limelight? This isn't a communistic society. You should be as concered about people getting equal food to eat. With your enthusiasm, you could help feed millions.
I think you summed up your argument right here, and it's a weak one. You basically don't like that a great player is getting a lot of attention? This is a business and the media will play up the most marketable player to the hilt because they want to, you guessed it, sell stuff. Get used to it. There is no glory in 2nd place. 2nd place is the first loser. 2nd place gets about 1/100 the amount of attention of 1st place. name me the loser of the superbowl the past 5 years, heck even two years ago. The avg person doesn't even know who lost the superbowl last year, but almost everyone remembers who won it. The current (1st place) media darling is Vick. And you know what? It makes sense. People like to see young new guys that change the game. Vick isn't the first guy to get a disproportionate amount of hype, and he won't be the last.So since he is young, he deserves the hype? This proves my Lebron statement. Yes they (Vick and Lebron) have potential, are exciting, but are not all that they are cracked up to be.What the heck are you looking for? Equal opportunity hype? You are concerend that each star doesn't get his limelight? This isn't a communistic society. You should be as concered about people getting equal food to eat. With your enthusiasm, you could help feed millions.
Daunte Culpepper.His first year in the league he played 1 game.
His second year in the league he had 40 total TDs. He had 33 passing with 16 Ints, and he had 7 rushing TDs.
He threw for 3937 yards, and he also had 470 yards rushing. Did I mention he had a 62.7% completion rate. Where the hell was/is his hype?
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Vick is over hyped, but that is the nature of sports "journalism". Take the easy target, and mention it 10000000000 times. That way, you don't have to do any work or research. It isn't his fault. He'd have to win several Superbowls to live up the the hype.
As for why the hype, it's very simple. He's not the best passer or the greatest QB in the league, but he is by far and away the most unique. There are 10-12 RBs that can do what LT or Portis can do. There are several other QBs that can do what Peyton can do. There is nobody, but nobody, else who can do what Mike Vick can. McNabb & Culpepper run like Gilbert Brown compared to Vick. He is so fast that it takes your breath away. When my wife, who knows very little about football, goes "Oh my God that guy can fly", you begin to understand where the hype comes from. He is the most exciting player in pro sports today, and nobody else is even very close. My wife and my niece could care less if Portis & LT are playing, but they will watch Vick because you never know what type of video game stuff he'll pull. THAT is what the hype is about - putting butts in the seats and making everyone else around you better.
As for why the hype, it's very simple. He's not the best passer or the greatest QB in the league, but he is by far and away the most unique. There are 10-12 RBs that can do what LT or Portis can do. There are several other QBs that can do what Peyton can do. There is nobody, but nobody, else who can do what Mike Vick can. McNabb & Culpepper run like Gilbert Brown compared to Vick. He is so fast that it takes your breath away. When my wife, who knows very little about football, goes "Oh my God that guy can fly", you begin to understand where the hype comes from. He is the most exciting player in pro sports today, and nobody else is even very close. My wife and my niece could care less if Portis & LT are playing, but they will watch Vick because you never know what type of video game stuff he'll pull. THAT is what the hype is about - putting butts in the seats and making everyone else around you better.
Eric
Footballguy
I have no beef against you other than the fact that you have spent the last 24 hours polluting the forums with messages like "good info here" and "another vick thread?". All I ask is that you show a little respect. Some people DO find all those Vick threads informative.Good info here
There maybe an informative Vick thread out there, but do we 20 of them? Asking will he get hurt (how the hell is anyone supposed to know that), is he overrated (matter of opinion obviously, one in which I differ from many others), etc.I have no beef either, you call me out (without anything to back your comment up) because I said I would build my team around a Defensive powerhouse, and you expect to not get a reaction.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
You're right, Eric.But, you're wasting your time. Don't get drawn into the rambling. It's better to wait until he gets to go to recess or something. <fearingchristmasbreak>I have no beef against you other than the fact that you have spent the last 24 hours polluting the forums with messages like "good info here" and "another vick thread?". All I ask is that you show a little respect. Some people DO find all those Vick threads informative.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
I for one, have not bought into the "Michael Vick" hype as of yet.My reasoning:For some of us that are old enough to remember when Randall Cunningham took over for Jaworski, we have seen this song and dance before.Vick's first season and half of starting in the NFL looks much like Randall Cunningham's during his first season or two in the NFL, except Cunningham looked much sharper as a passer.The BlueOnion
Eric
Footballguy
Fair enough. Let me offer a suggestion, though. Instead of saying "he deserves 40-50 but lets stick with one", maybe you should provide a link to one you find informative. If seeing all those threads is REALLY that harmful to you and you are able to put that much effort into replying to all of them, surely you can direct those Vick worshippers to a central location to have their circlejerk.The usefullness of a thread is subjective. I could care less about what is or isn't collusion or who you need tonight, but some people do. Let them have their discussion PLEASE. Your little jabs are incredibly disrespectful and totally lacking in class. That's all I have to say...I'm sorry you don't agree.Thanks.
The reason I posted that was to make a point that he was oberhyped. No offense to any of the thread starters, or posters in those threads. I just wanted to prove that 20 threads about a guy proves that he has too much hype. That is all I was trying to do. Sorry if I offended anyone for posting that.
Culpepper lost a playoff game he should have won (with great WRs).Vick won a playoff game he should have lost (with no WRs).
Turnovers are what is killing CPepp, plus he is overshadowed by Randy Moss. Even though Vick isn't the most accurate passer, he protects the ball. That isn't conducive to putting up huge passing stats, but it is conducive to winning. Compare the weapons Culpepper had to the weapons Vick had last year and it is no contest which year was more impressive.
chinawildman
Footballguy
His hype is due to the fact that he's a QB... The revolutizing the position crap is BS... Gee, I've never seen a quarterback that can run before....The true revolution in the NFL is at defense, particular the linebacker/DE position. With more people like Julian Peterson and Dwight Freeney coming in the league, the speed advantage of Vick will become less and less of a factor with the increased speed on defense.I got no problems with the hype Vick receives because he's exciting... I totally agree, he's exciting because when he runs he could either cough it up or break a 40 yd run for a TD. That's more "exciting" than waiting to see if you pocket passer can complete a 10 yard out.
Simple answer: YesThere are many reasons to hype a player and Vick meets pretty much all of them.Who are the athletes to receive the most hype over the past 5 years or so?Tiger WoodsLebron JamesMichael VickAlex Rodriguezdo you think Vick looks out of place in this group? I don't.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Manning was the correct choice. I love reading these threads.
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