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[KevT]

So the Globetrotters are the best basketball team ever assembled?

Who called Vick the best QB, I know I sure as hell didn't. So the comparison to the globetrotters is a bad one. Plus, watching the globetrotters is as boring as watching golf, at least it is to me.

 

[Big Score]

So if I said Overhyped, rather then overrated, would you agree with that?

No. Sorry Smoo, I wouldn't agree with that. I think I'll stick with what I originally said.

Maybe he's over hyped, but even the hyping is not a major stretch. The guy is most definitely electrifying. I know I enjoy the heck out of watching him play and he rarely fails to deliver. Seems there's always at least one draw dropping play per game with Vick.

 

[beaglemac]

Who called Vick the best QB, I know I sure as hell didn't. So the comparison to the globetrotters is a bad one. Plus, watching the globetrotters is as boring as watching golf, at least it is to me.

Sorry didn't mean to implicate that towards you... you were saying that Flash was part of the sport (and even though you didn't say his wasn't overrated, I will assume that is what you meant by taking that side). That is where the likes of Jason Williams/street ballers/Globe Trotters come into play. They are fun and all, but not all they are cracked up to be. Now if you agree that Vick is overrated/overhyped, I appologize, that is just the side I saw you jumping on. Please confirm.

 

[beaglemac]

No. Sorry Smoo, I wouldn't agree with that. I think I'll stick with what I originally said.

See above...

 

[KevT]

Now if you agree that Vick is overrated/overhyped, I appologize, that is just the side I saw you jumping on. Please confirm.

Living here in Atlanta, I get sick of hearing his name. He is overrated/overhyped. He didn't even complete half his passes tonight, and he was being praised. Although, he is one of the most exciting players in the league, I'll watch him over anyone else, as long as the TV is on mute.How many times did he stay in the pocket tonight/yesterday? It seemed as though he was looking to run every play. Sure he was rushed a lot, but not near as much as he made it seem. How many big losses did he account for by running backwards? My point is, you'll go a lot farther in the NFL with a QB like Pennington, Manning, McNair, etc..

 

[beaglemac]

Living here in Atlanta, I get sick of hearing his name. He is overrated/overhyped. He didn't even complete half his passes tonight, and he was being praised. Although, he is one of the most exciting players in the league, I'll watch him over anyone else, as long as the TV is on mute.How many times did he stay in the pocket tonight/yesterday? It seemed as though he was looking to run every play. Sure he was rushed a lot, but not near as much as he made it seem. How many big losses did he account for by running backwards? My point is, you'll go a lot farther in the NFL with a QB like Pennington, Manning, McNair, etc..

Could not agree more. Sorry for the misunderstanding. He is fun to watch, but agree, don't talk about him every damn second. OVERRATED!

 

[EastBayFunk]

The guy is a freak of nature and one of the rare players who really looks like a man among boys at the pro level. He and Randy Moss are the two offensive players in the NFL that really stand out to me as being on another plane athletically. Moss is just too tall to be that fast and Vick is extremely shifty to go along with his top end speed.Vick just might be a great quarterback, but he is far from a great passer. He should've been picked off at least once or twice tonight. He has a lot of work to do in terms of reading the field and making decisions with the football. Nevertheless, that he's able to lead his team despite being an immature passer is a testament to his physical talents. If his mind ever catches up to his body and he stays healthy then he could go down as the best of all time.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Living here in Atlanta, I get sick of hearing his name. He is overrated/overhyped. He didn't even complete half his passes tonight, and he was being praised. Although, he is one of the most exciting players in the league, I'll watch him over anyone else, as long as the TV is on mute.How many times did he stay in the pocket tonight/yesterday? It seemed as though he was looking to run every play. Sure he was rushed a lot, but not near as much as he made it seem. How many big losses did he account for by running backwards? My point is, you'll go a lot farther in the NFL with a QB like Pennington, Manning, McNair, etc..

Could not agree more. Sorry for the misunderstanding. He is fun to watch, but agree, don't talk about him every damn second. OVERRATED!

Haven't read this thread...just stalking SMOO.But, I can't see where he is overrated...overhyped, sure.I have never watched a football player where every time he touches the ball, it isn't unrealistic to see him score, break one...or do something nobody else has ever done.Don't blame Mike for all the coverage. He's just playing the game.Kind of like a great song that got overplayed. You end up hating it. But, it's still a good song.

 

[beaglemac]

Living here in Atlanta, I get sick of hearing his name.  He is overrated/overhyped.  He didn't even complete half his passes tonight, and he was being praised.  Although, he is one of the most exciting players in the league, I'll watch him over anyone else, as long as the TV is on mute.How many times did he stay in the pocket tonight/yesterday?  It seemed as though he was looking to run every play.  Sure he was rushed a lot, but not near as much as he made it seem.  How many big losses did he account for by running backwards?  My point is, you'll go a lot farther in the NFL with a QB like Pennington, Manning, McNair, etc..

Could not agree more. Sorry for the misunderstanding. He is fun to watch, but agree, don't talk about him every damn second. OVERRATED!

Haven't read this thread...just stalking SMOO.But, I can't see where he is overrated...overhyped, sure.I have never watched a football player where every time he touches the ball, it isn't unrealistic to see him score, break one...or do something nobody else has ever done.Don't blame Mike for all the coverage. He's just playing the game.Kind of like a great song that got overplayed. You end up hating it. But, it's still a good song.

Not saying he isn't good at all, but saying he is not worth all he is getting.

 

[LordHusker]

My point is, you'll go a lot farther in the NFL with a QB like Pennington, Manning, McNair, etc..

You make some solid arguments, but are you sure about that? Bottom line: Vick, in his first game back, just helped his very lousy team beat Carolina, one of the NFL's better teams.

 

[mnmplayer]

Here is the difference. Vick Touches the ball on every play. The QB is the general on the field and takes the most responsibility for the win/loss. Vick is the most exciting at this MOST IMPORTANT position on the field. He deserves the hype IMO.No othe QB has his skills and its that potential that puts him over the top, much like AROD puts up awsome numbers for a SS in baseball. No one expects a QB to run for 140 yards on 10 carries just like no one expects a SS to hit 50 homers like AROD. You expect this (or at least its more likely an OF will hit 40-50 HR) from an OF. ESPN showed that VIck has 1250 yards rushing in the same amount of games that Cunningham/McNabb/Cullpepper had 850. THis guy is off the charts and adds a new dimention to the QB position. He is decent at throwing the ball. If he becomes an elite passer, he will be the greatest football player of all time because he can run/pass the ball with equall effectiveness, something no other QB or offense has EVER been able to do.He deserves the hype.one thing I forgot to mention is his scrambling ability is second to none. He can turn a play taht any mortal QB would have been sacked and turn it into a 15 yard game. That's just not fair, because the D needs those sacks and losses to play effectively Vick takes those game breaking plays away from the defense. He is just a phenom and will change the game much like the WCO changed the game and the guy who wore #19 changed the game.

 

[beaglemac]

Here is the difference. Vick Touches the ball on every play. The QB is the general on the field and takes the most responsibility for the win/loss. Vick is the most exciting at this MOST IMPORTANT position on the field. He deserves the hype IMO.

Exciting, yes (yet so are many other "flashy players"), but a great QB he is not!What has he done as a QB that makes you say he deserves the hype?

 

[beaglemac]

You make some solid arguments, but are you sure about that? Bottom line: Vick, in his first game back, just helped his very lousy team beat Carolina, one of the NFL's better teams.

Read the entire thread... first game blah blah blah!

 

[beaglemac]

I see you lurkin Cracker... and the only reason I call you out, is because I agree with a ton of your IDP choices, so I need an argument here from you.Just for S and giggles!

 

[drpill]

My point is, you'll go a lot farther in the NFL with a QB like Pennington, Manning, McNair, etc..

That seems to be the case, but it remains to be proven. Anyway, it's apples to oranges to compare Vick with any of those guys, including even Culpepper or McNabb.The Falcons as a team with Vick under centre are a totally different kind of beast from any other in the NFL. The reason this team sucked so bad while he was out is that they are completely built around him and his running game. Look what happened when the o-line started blocking for Dunn for the majority of the game -- 150 yards rushing, at least one 40+ yard run. I think Dunn was just doing his best Michael Vick impersonation that month.The biggest problem with Vick is that he runs almost as good as Barry Sanders, but not quite. Barry played nearly injury free his whole career. Vick I don't think will so much. But that remains to be proven too.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Not saying he isn't good at all, but saying he is not worth all he is getting.

O.K.But, it's not his fault.He came out of college early. Think about his impact in the very few NFL games he's already played in...it's amazing.That run they went on last year, topped off with winning IN GB in the playoffs (NEVER BEEN DONE), was amazing.Without him, they went right back to the cellar.The best D-line in football was made to look like they were up against Barry Sanders...and he's a QB.He makes his team better...by A LOT. That is the ultimate in a "team" player. It's what MVP is supposed to mean.

 

[beaglemac]

That seems to be the case, but it remains to be proven. Anyway, it's apples to oranges to compare Vick with any of those guys, including even Culpepper or McNabb.The Falcons as a team with Vick under centre are a totally different kind of beast from any other in the NFL. The reason this team sucked so bad while he was out is that they are completely built around him and his running game. Look what happened when the o-line started blocking for Dunn for the majority of the game -- 150 yards rushing, at least one 40+ yard run. I think Dunn was just doing his best Michael Vick impersonation that month.The biggest problem with Vick is that he runs almost as good as Barry Sanders, but not quite. Barry played nearly injury free his whole career. Vick I don't think will so much. But that remains to be proven too.

You make no point... if half the QB's in the NFL were out for the amount of time Vick was out, they would struggle. Why point that out? I think most teams are built around their QB's abilities...

 

[beaglemac]

Without him, they went right back to the cellar.The best D-line in football was made to look like they were up against Barry Sanders...and he's a QB.

Do you think 90% of teams would succeed without their QB?And since when has Car had the best D line?

 

[RAIDERNATION.]

This thread is great. It's unbelievable to me how many of you call him overrated.

I started him in the playoffs in one of my leagues this week. He got 27 points. For those of you hatin' on him because he is not the most accurate guy in the world, and not a classic dropback gunner like Marino... let me paint a picture.

For a QB like that -- the 6'5" pocket passer who never runs -- to have a 27 point day in our scoring system, he would have had to throw for 450 yards and 3 TDs!!! If that happened, everyone would be posting here about what a God that guy is. But because Vick doesn't get the points in traditional QB fashion, there is something wrong with it. Points are points, folks. It's doesn't matter how you get them... they all add up just the same.

Keep thinking Vick is overrated. Sooner or later, he will single-handedly beat you.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Without him, they went right back to the cellar.The best D-line in football was made to look like they were up against Barry Sanders...and he's a QB.

Do you think 90% of teams would succeed without their QB?And since when has Car had the best D line?

I think Carolina has the best D-line. Either way, he ran all over a damn good line...and there's no way he's 100%. Add to that, the fact that he WILL still improve.For where he's at in his career, it's amazing.Not sure how to answer your other question. I will say that many teams, not 90%, could perform at a comparable/competitive level w/ out their starter. We often see backups fill in capably. We often see them take the job, as well.

 

[beaglemac]

This thread is great. It's unbelievable to me how many of you call him overrated.

I started him in the playoffs in one of my leagues this week. He got 27 points. For those of you hatin' on him because he is not the most accurate guy in the world, and not a classic dropback gunner like Marino... let me paint a picture.

For a QB like that -- the 6'5" pocket passer who never runs -- to have a 27 point day in our scoring system, he would have had to throw for 450 yards and 3 TDs!!! If that happened, everyone would be posting here about what a God that guy is. But because Vick doesn't get the points in traditional QB fashion, there is something wrong with it. Points are points, folks. It's doesn't matter how you get them... they all add up just the same.

Keep thinking Vick is overrated. Sooner or later, he will single-handedly beat you.

Yeah your scoring system is sooooo great.Talking Football here as well, not everything is Fantasy

 

[drpill]

You make no point... if half the QB's in the NFL were out for the amount of time Vick was out, they would struggle. Why point that out? I think most teams are built around their QB's abilities...

Don't roll your eyes at me, numbnuts. My POINT is that no other team in the NFL is built around VICK'S abilities. Check your ritalin prescription, son. Your reading comprehension skills seem to be failing you...

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

This thread is great. It's unbelievable to me how many of you call him overrated.

I started him in the playoffs in one of my leagues this week. He got 27 points. For those of you hatin' on him because he is not the most accurate guy in the world, and not a classic dropback gunner like Marino... let me paint a picture.

For a QB like that -- the 6'5" pocket passer who never runs -- to have a 27 point day in our scoring system, he would have had to throw for 450 yards and 3 TDs!!! If that happened, everyone would be posting here about what a God that guy is. But because Vick doesn't get the points in traditional QB fashion, there is something wrong with it. Points are points, folks. It's doesn't matter how you get them... they all add up just the same.

Keep thinking Vick is overrated. Sooner or later, he will single-handedly beat you.

Yeah your scoring system is sooooo great.Talking Football here as well, not everything is Fantasy

I knew you'd say that. And you're right. It's a little off topic.Nonetheless, it's an argument to those that take TOO MUCH away from his inaccuracy issues. He more than makes up for that with his running/improvising.

It would be like taking credibility away from QB's that can't run. But, we don't do that, do we?

 

[beaglemac]

This thread is great.  It's unbelievable to me how many of you call him overrated.

I started him in the playoffs in one of my leagues this week.  He got 27 points.  For those of you hatin' on him because he is not the most accurate guy in the world, and not a classic dropback gunner like Marino... let me paint a picture.

For a QB like that -- the 6'5" pocket passer who never runs -- to have a 27 point day in our scoring system, he would have had to throw for 450 yards and 3 TDs!!!  If that happened, everyone would be posting here about what a God that guy is.  But because Vick doesn't get the points in traditional QB fashion, there is something wrong with it.  Points are points, folks.  It's doesn't matter how you get them... they all add up just the same.

Keep thinking Vick is overrated.  Sooner or later, he will single-handedly beat you.

Yeah your scoring system is sooooo great.Talking Football here as well, not everything is Fantasy

True or false:You spent your entire high school years getting stuffed in lockers.

False... why cause I am not all Fantasy Football? Guess what, there is more then Fantasy football when it comes to the sport. Nice try though.

 

[RAIDERNATION.]

This thread is great. It's unbelievable to me how many of you call him overrated.

I started him in the playoffs in one of my leagues this week. He got 27 points. For those of you hatin' on him because he is not the most accurate guy in the world, and not a classic dropback gunner like Marino... let me paint a picture.

For a QB like that -- the 6'5" pocket passer who never runs -- to have a 27 point day in our scoring system, he would have had to throw for 450 yards and 3 TDs!!! If that happened, everyone would be posting here about what a God that guy is. But because Vick doesn't get the points in traditional QB fashion, there is something wrong with it. Points are points, folks. It's doesn't matter how you get them... they all add up just the same.

Keep thinking Vick is overrated. Sooner or later, he will single-handedly beat you.

Yeah your scoring system is sooooo great.Talking Football here as well, not everything is Fantasy

Translation = "GOD, I wish I had drafted Vick...":rotflmao:

 

[beaglemac]

Don't roll your eyes at me, numbnuts. My POINT is that no other team in the NFL is built around VICK'S abilities. Check your ritalin prescription, son. Your reading comprehension skills seem to be failing you...

Why cause he can run?

 

[cracKer]

I see you lurkin Cracker... and the only reason I call you out, is because I agree with a ton of your IDP choices, so I need an argument here from you.

Just for S and giggles!

Once you told me that you were right, I figured that I was wrong...and just gave up Oddly enough, this is the first thread that I have ever stuck up for Michael Vick. Usually I'm on the other side, but his performance tonight made me realize how much the game really missed him.

There's not a doubt in my mind that he would've ran for 6 TDs today had he played for Denver

 

[RAIDERNATION.]

This thread is great. It's unbelievable to me how many of you call him overrated.

I started him in the playoffs in one of my leagues this week. He got 27 points. For those of you hatin' on him because he is not the most accurate guy in the world, and not a classic dropback gunner like Marino... let me paint a picture.

For a QB like that -- the 6'5" pocket passer who never runs -- to have a 27 point day in our scoring system, he would have had to throw for 450 yards and 3 TDs!!! If that happened, everyone would be posting here about what a God that guy is. But because Vick doesn't get the points in traditional QB fashion, there is something wrong with it. Points are points, folks. It's doesn't matter how you get them... they all add up just the same.

Keep thinking Vick is overrated. Sooner or later, he will single-handedly beat you.

Yeah your scoring system is sooooo great.Talking Football here as well, not everything is Fantasy

True or false:You spent your entire high school years getting stuffed in lockers.

False... why cause I am not all Fantasy Football? Guess what, there is more then Fantasy football when it comes to the sport. Nice try though.

My mistake for thinking that the fantasy football angle applies here on this FANTASY FOOTBALL BOARD...Doosh.

 

[beaglemac]

This thread is great.  It's unbelievable to me how many of you call him overrated.

I started him in the playoffs in one of my leagues this week.  He got 27 points.  For those of you hatin' on him because he is not the most accurate guy in the world, and not a classic dropback gunner like Marino... let me paint a picture.

For a QB like that -- the 6'5" pocket passer who never runs -- to have a 27 point day in our scoring system, he would have had to throw for 450 yards and 3 TDs!!!  If that happened, everyone would be posting here about what a God that guy is.  But because Vick doesn't get the points in traditional QB fashion, there is something wrong with it.  Points are points, folks.  It's doesn't matter how you get them... they all add up just the same.

Keep thinking Vick is overrated.  Sooner or later, he will single-handedly beat you.

Yeah your scoring system is sooooo great.Talking Football here as well, not everything is Fantasy

Translation = "GOD, I wish I had drafted Vick...":rotflmao:

Yep, Fantasy has got me worried... Funny how you are the only one bringing up fantasy here.., please come back when you are done with you fantasy hype.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I see you lurkin Cracker... and the only reason I call you out, is because I agree with a ton of your IDP choices, so I need an argument here from you.

Just for S and giggles!

Once you told me that you were right, I figured that I was wrong...and just gave up Oddly enough, this is the first thread that I have ever stuck up for Michael Vick. Usually I'm on the other side, but his performance tonight made me realize how much the game really missed him.

There's not a doubt in my mind that he would've ran for 6 TDs today had he played for Denver

...was also waiting for you to weigh in.There you have it.

Cracker and Sonny have you cornered, Smoo.

 

[beaglemac]

I see you lurkin Cracker... and the only reason I call you out, is because I agree with a ton of your IDP choices, so I need an argument here from you.

Just for S and giggles!

Once you told me that you were right, I figured that I was wrong...and just gave up Oddly enough, this is the first thread that I have ever stuck up for Michael Vick. Usually I'm on the other side, but his performance tonight made me realize how much the game really missed him.

There's not a doubt in my mind that he would've ran for 6 TDs today had he played for Denver

Yeah and Barry woulda ran for 30,000 yards if he had Dallas's O-line but he didn't.(Much love for ya Barry, you my dawg)

 

[mnmplayer]

It's not all about FF but Vick wins as in "real-life" as well... Hell, the guy turns a 2-10 team into a winner vs a good team. BTW you are posting on a FF board so wtf do you think the scope of these conversations are going to be about. Don't post on a teen girls aol chatroom and cry foul when they start talking about tampons. FF is important here bud!

 

[beaglemac]

I see you lurkin Cracker... and the only reason I call you out, is because I agree with a ton of your IDP choices, so I need an argument here from you.

Just for S and giggles!

Once you told me that you were right, I figured that I was wrong...and just gave up Oddly enough, this is the first thread that I have ever stuck up for Michael Vick. Usually I'm on the other side, but his performance tonight made me realize how much the game really missed him.

There's not a doubt in my mind that he would've ran for 6 TDs today had he played for Denver

...was also waiting for you to weigh in.There you have it.

Cracker and Sonny have you cornered, Smoo.

 

[RAIDERNATION.]

It's not all about FF but Vick wins as in "real-life" as well... Hell, the guy turns a 2-10 team into a winner vs a good team. BTW you are posting on a FF board so wtf do you think the scope of these conversations are going to be about. Don't post on a teen girls aol chatroom and cry foul when they start talking about tampons. FF is important here bud!

Please stop making sense.TIA

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I see you lurkin Cracker... and the only reason I call you out, is because I agree with a ton of your IDP choices, so I need an argument here from you.

Just for S and giggles!

Once you told me that you were right, I figured that I was wrong...and just gave up Oddly enough, this is the first thread that I have ever stuck up for Michael Vick. Usually I'm on the other side, but his performance tonight made me realize how much the game really missed him.

There's not a doubt in my mind that he would've ran for 6 TDs today had he played for Denver

...was also waiting for you to weigh in.There you have it.

Cracker and Sonny have you cornered, Smoo.

Should have added a Is that better?

...just saying that I think Cracker is pro-Vick on this one...no? And you value his opinion, it seems...

 

[beaglemac]

Let me make a point... without you fools bumpin in.How did Vick do last year? Was he the #1 QB in total yards? No!Did he have the most total TD's? No!Why is he so special?Why isn't Dante getting his Hype? Almost 1000 more yards and about 5 more TD's then Vick (sorry stats off the top of my head, so not sure).So can Daunte get some love... no, why?Who knows this LT guy? Anyone? Portis Avg home? No? Why? Oh the Media... that is right!

 

[beaglemac]

I see you lurkin Cracker... and the only reason I call you out, is because I agree with a ton of your IDP choices, so I need an argument here from you.

Just for S and giggles!

Once you told me that you were right, I figured that I was wrong...and just gave up Oddly enough, this is the first thread that I have ever stuck up for Michael Vick. Usually I'm on the other side, but his performance tonight made me realize how much the game really missed him.

There's not a doubt in my mind that he would've ran for 6 TDs today had he played for Denver

...was also waiting for you to weigh in.There you have it.

Cracker and Sonny have you cornered, Smoo.

Should have added a Is that better?

...just saying that I think Cracker is pro-Vick on this one...no? And you value his opinion, it seems...

Sorry I like to see his opinion, but value it, well sure I guess.

He thinks like me when it comes to IDP (for the most part). But sometimes (like now) he is a knucklehead.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Let me make a point... without you fools bumpin in.How did Vick do last year? Was he the #1 QB in total yards? No!Did he have the most total TD's? No!Why is he so special?Why isn't Dante getting his Hype? Almost 1000 more yards and about 5 more TD's then Vick (sorry stats off the top of my head, so not sure).So can Daunte get some love... no, why?Who knows this LT guy? Anyone? Portis Avg home? No? Why? Oh the Media... that is right!

How did Daunte's backup do when he was out?

 

[beaglemac]

It's not all about FF but Vick wins as in "real-life" as well... Hell, the guy turns a 2-10 team into a winner vs a good team. BTW you are posting on a FF board so wtf do you think the scope of these conversations are going to be about. Don't post on a teen girls aol chatroom and cry foul when they start talking about tampons. FF is important here bud!

Well when we go 2 pages without a FF reference, I would hope that people would realize that we aren't talking about fantasy football. Maybe my scoring has Sam Gash as the best value... he is a great blocker, and we give 1000 pts for a great block by a FB from Buff. Does that mean he is the best ever?

 

[cracKer]

definitely pro-Vick, and I think that he is worthy of the hype. I do not think that he'll have a long career with his current style of play, but there's not a single guy in the league who will sell more tickets (or merchandise) while he's capable of playing like he did tonight (or better).Smoo thinks that he's overhyped, and I say "So What?"Why wouldn't the NFL (as a business) want to pimp their most dynamic athlete?They'd be stupid not to.The Tomlinson argument is good though, seeing as how he does have a higher QB rating than Vick and can run just as well

 

[beaglemac]

Let me make a point... without you fools bumpin in.How did Vick do last year? Was he the #1 QB in total yards? No!Did he have the most total TD's? No!Why is he so special?Why isn't Dante getting his Hype? Almost 1000 more yards and about 5 more TD's then Vick (sorry stats off the top of my head, so not sure).So can Daunte get some love... no, why?Who knows this LT guy? Anyone? Portis Avg home? No? Why? Oh the Media... that is right!

How did Daunte's backup do when he was out?

Yeah so he is better then Doug Johnson, who isnt?

 

[mnmplayer]

How did Vick do last year? Was he the #1 QB in total yards? No!Did he have the most total TD's? No!

How many QB's led the league in either of these categories in their first full year? Actually he only had 15 games last yaer so that wasn't a full year either. Marino? I can't name too many.Besides, numbers aren't everything. If we only went on numbers a visitor from outer space would think that Emmitt Smith was the best RB of all time and we all know that ain't even close, and look at all the hype he got. I just had to get a jab in on a Cowboys player. If you watched you would probably say Jim Brown or Barry Sanders were the best, regardless of numbers. They did things no one else could, just like VIck can do for the QB position. Just like the guy that wore #19 did, the guy that wore the black shoes.It's a testament to his talent taht VIck plays for Atlanta, a relatively small market and still gets aall the attention he gets. I mean mediocre QBs like Aikman get hyped to hell and back just cos they play in a big market like Dallas or NY. zLook at the Pennington hype machine in NY. It's cos he is something special.

 

[RAIDERNATION.]

Let me make a point... without you fools bumpin in.How did Vick do last year? Was he the #1 QB in total yards? No!Did he have the most total TD's? No!Why is he so special?Why isn't Dante getting his Hype? Almost 1000 more yards and about 5 more TD's then Vick (sorry stats off the top of my head, so not sure).So can Daunte get some love... no, why?Who knows this LT guy? Anyone? Portis Avg home? No? Why? Oh the Media... that is right!

How did Daunte's backup do when he was out?

Yeah so he is better then Doug Johnson, who isnt?

Kurt Kittner.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Let me make a point... without you fools bumpin in.How did Vick do last year? Was he the #1 QB in total yards? No!Did he have the most total TD's? No!Why is he so special?Why isn't Dante getting his Hype? Almost 1000 more yards and about 5 more TD's then Vick (sorry stats off the top of my head, so not sure).So can Daunte get some love... no, why?Who knows this LT guy? Anyone? Portis Avg home? No? Why? Oh the Media... that is right!

How did Daunte's backup do when he was out?

Yeah so he is better then Doug Johnson, who isnt?

You didn't answer the question.

 

[beaglemac]

definitely pro-Vick, and I think that he is worthy of the hype. I do not think that he'll have a long career with his current style of play, but there's not a single guy in the league who will sell more tickets (or merchandise) while he's capable of playing like he did tonight (or better).Smoo thinks that he's overhyped, and I say "So What?"Why wouldn't the NFL (as a business) want to pimp their most dynamic athlete?They'd be stupid not to.The Tomlinson argument is good though, seeing as how he does have a higher QB rating than Vick and can run just as well

So you agree he is overhyped? I agree, it may be good marketing, but he isn't all that. The Media can make anyone look good if they have to.All I am saying, is what has been said before. He isn't the bestqb in the game now (stats and win wise). Can we agree on that?Not to mention many others that I will save.

 

[aaronr28]

Let me make a point... without you fools bumpin in.How did Vick do last year? Was he the #1 QB in total yards? No!Did he have the most total TD's? No!Why is he so special?Why isn't Dante getting his Hype? Almost 1000 more yards and about 5 more TD's then Vick (sorry stats off the top of my head, so not sure).So can Daunte get some love... no, why?Who knows this LT guy? Anyone? Portis Avg home? No? Why? Oh the Media... that is right!

Michael Vick should have won the heisman his freshman year. He single handedly turned the entire Virginia Tech program around and brought them to the national championship game where he put on one of the most impressive displays I've ever seen against Florida State.He left college after his sophomore year and sat for 1 year in the NFL.Then, in only his 2nd year in the NFL and his 1st year starting, he led his team to a 9-6-1 record, a playoff berth, and a win in Lambeau Field where the Packers had NEVER lost a home playoff game. He also went to the Pro Bowl that year and accounted for nearly 3000 passing yards, 24 total TDs and only 8 INTs. He did all that with Brian Finneran and a cast of complete nobodys as his WR core.Tonight, in his first start after suffering a broken ankle, he put up the 3rd largest rushing total for a QB in NFL history.The guy is a special player that comes along once in a generation. His passing game and ability to read defenses still needs work, but he's got a cannon for an arm and he protects the ball (something Culpepper is unable or unwilling to do).Stats aside, Vick helps his team win and makes everybody around him better. On top of that, he also happens to be the most electrifying and exciting player in the NFL since Barry Sanders (LT2 isn't too far behind either). What's not to hype?His DOMINATING playoff win in Lambeau as a 22 year old kid is more impressive than anything Culpepper, Manning, or McNabb have ever done.

 

[beaglemac]

How did Vick do last year? Was he the #1 QB in total yards? No!Did he have the most total TD's? No!

How many QB's led the league in either of these categories in their first full year? Actually he only had 15 games last yaer so that wasn't a full year either. Marino? I can't name too many.Besides, numbers aren't everything. If we only went on numbers a visitor from outer space would think that Emmitt Smith was the best RB of all time and we all know that ain't even close, and look at all the hype he got. I just had to get a jab in on a Cowboys player. If you watched you would probably say Jim Brown or Barry Sanders were the best, regardless of numbers. They did things no one else could, just like VIck can do for the QB position. Just like the guy that wore #19 did, the guy that wore the black shoes.It's a testament to his talent taht VIck plays for Atlanta, a relatively small market and still gets aall the attention he gets. I mean mediocre QBs like Aikman get hyped to hell and back just cos they play in a big market like Dallas or NY. zLook at the Pennington hype machine in NY. It's cos he is something special.

So running is all that matters? What else has he done as a QB?

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Without him, they went right back to the cellar.The best D-line in football was made to look like they were up against Barry Sanders...and he's a QB.

Do you think 90% of teams would succeed without their QB?And since when has Car had the best D line?

I think Carolina has the best D-line. Either way, he ran all over a damn good line...and there's no way he's 100%. Add to that, the fact that he WILL still improve.For where he's at in his career, it's amazing.Not sure how to answer your other question. I will say that many teams, not 90%, could perform at a comparable/competitive level w/ out their starter. We often see backups fill in capably. We often see them take the job, as well.

Smoo...please answer the above reply...seriously.Who's got the best line?And elaborate on your 90% question...thanks.

 

[RAIDERNATION.]

So running is all that matters? What else has he done as a QB?

How about being the only visiting QB ever to win a playoff game at Lambeau Field. (I hope that's not fantasy related...)

 

[beaglemac]

Stats aside, Vick helps his team win and makes everybody around him better. On top of that, he also happens to be the most electrifying and exciting player in the NFL since Barry Sanders (LT2 isn't too far behind either). What's not to hype?

Well then why not hype LT? Portis? Hell even Holmes doesn't get the props this guy does IMO. Holmes being the best offensive player out there is back seat to Vick?Give props where they are due. Flash isn't everything.Next thing I will hear is that since Sapp talks all day, he is flashy and is the best ever.