I really like Elizabeth Warren (1 Viewer)

[SaintsInDome2006]

Warren won't run for President this time around. However, her backers might push for her to be Senate Majority Leader in 2017. I doubt that will happen either.

"Inconceivable", right?

I think this little government shutdown fiasco is all about her running for president. This is a shot across the Clintons' bow and they weren't even looking.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/elizabeth-warren-jon-stewart_n_5170325.html

She had such a bad case of nerves before the 2009 broadcast that Warren threw up. Twice.

"I was miserable. I had stage fright -- gut-wrenching, stomach-turning, bile-filled stage fright. And I was stuck in a gloomy little bathroom, about to go on The Daily Show," the Massachusetts Democrat recalls in her new book, A Fighting Chance, due out next week.

"I was having serious doubts about going through with this. I had talked to reporters and been interviewed plenty of times, but this was different. At any second, the whole interview could turn into a giant joke -- and what if the joke turned on the work I was trying to do?"

"For the zillionth time, I asked myself why on God's green earth I had agreed to sit down with Jon Stewart," Warren writes.

Wow. A US Senator.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Well I think this little Warren led revolt by Warren against the Wall Street bad guys who of course are all in bed with the Clintons pretty much seals the deal that Warren will be running.

Strongly doubt this.

Based on what, the "Inevitability of Hillary"?

I think Webb might run too.

 

[joffer]

Warren won't run for President this time around. However, her backers might push for her to be Senate Majority Leader in 2017. I doubt that will happen either.

"Inconceivable", right?

I think this little government shutdown fiasco is all about her running for president. This is a shot across the Clintons' bow and they weren't even looking.

Starting to think this as well

 

[saintfool]

Warren won't run for President this time around. However, her backers might push for her to be Senate Majority Leader in 2017. I doubt that will happen either.

"Inconceivable", right?

I think this little government shutdown fiasco is all about her running for president. This is a shot across the Clintons' bow and they weren't even looking.

i don't.

what's awesome is how Nancy Pelosi is trying to position herself as a kind of progessive, Leftie in the same vein as Warren now.

 

[cstu]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/elizabeth-warren-jon-stewart_n_5170325.html

She had such a bad case of nerves before the 2009 broadcast that Warren threw up. Twice.

"I was miserable. I had stage fright -- gut-wrenching, stomach-turning, bile-filled stage fright. And I was stuck in a gloomy little bathroom, about to go on The Daily Show," the Massachusetts Democrat recalls in her new book, A Fighting Chance, due out next week.

"I was having serious doubts about going through with this. I had talked to reporters and been interviewed plenty of times, but this was different. At any second, the whole interview could turn into a giant joke -- and what if the joke turned on the work I was trying to do?"

"For the zillionth time, I asked myself why on God's green earth I had agreed to sit down with Jon Stewart," Warren writes.

Wow. A US Senator.

I know, right? One that's actually honest.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/elizabeth-warren-jon-stewart_n_5170325.html

She had such a bad case of nerves before the 2009 broadcast that Warren threw up. Twice.

"I was miserable. I had stage fright -- gut-wrenching, stomach-turning, bile-filled stage fright. And I was stuck in a gloomy little bathroom, about to go on The Daily Show," the Massachusetts Democrat recalls in her new book, A Fighting Chance, due out next week.

"I was having serious doubts about going through with this. I had talked to reporters and been interviewed plenty of times, but this was different. At any second, the whole interview could turn into a giant joke -- and what if the joke turned on the work I was trying to do?"

"For the zillionth time, I asked myself why on God's green earth I had agreed to sit down with Jon Stewart," Warren writes.

Wow. A US Senator.

I know, right? One that's actually honest.

It's charming for sure, and I love intellectual integrity, but... a US Senator who gets nervous-sick on talk shows? Just surprising I guess.

 

[timschochet]

Saints, Webb is running. Actually I think he's really running for VP. Warren won't run.

Look I get that the inevitability of Hillary is boring, but it's going to be a boring election anyhow . Hillary will win the nomination easily and she'll win the presidency easily. It will be a victory for the establishment all the way. Since most politically minded people in this forum are either conservatives, anti-establishment independents, or anti-establishment progressives, I know that's an outcome that will be very unpopular here which is why you desperately cling to any alternative. But in all likelihood our next First Lady will be named Bill.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Saints, Webb is running. Actually I think he's really running for VP. Warren won't run.

Look I get that the inevitability of Hillary is boring, but it's going to be a boring election anyhow . Hillary will win the nomination easily and she'll win the presidency easily. It will be a victory for the establishment all the way. Since most politically minded people in this forum are either conservatives, anti-establishment independents, or anti-establishment progressives, I know that's an outcome that will be very unpopular here which is why you desperately cling to any alternative. But in all likelihood our next First Lady will be named Bill.

I do enjoy the idea of an alternative, that's true, but I don't think these things come out of nowhere. Maybe cstu is right and this was just an honest, heartfelt stand by Warren & Co. But we're talking federal politics here and the heartfelt, principled stand is a rare thing these days. It seems like she may be positioning herself to me.

As for boredom, let's see Bill Clinton as stay-at-home househusband managing state dinners and girl scout meet`n`greets, yeah what could possibly go wrong?

 

[saintfool]

It's charming for sure, and I love intellectual integrity, but... a US Senator who gets nervous-sick on talk shows? Just surprising I guess.

she was more or less a civilian and a policy wonk back in 2009. while she had a public profile, i don't know that it was truly well-known beyond her policy nerd clique. it certainly wasn't a national stage.

 

[Hilts]

Saints, Webb is running. Actually I think he's really running for VP. Warren won't run.

Look I get that the inevitability of Hillary is boring, but it's going to be a boring election anyhow . Hillary will win the nomination easily and she'll win the presidency easily. It will be a victory for the establishment all the way. Since most politically minded people in this forum are either conservatives, anti-establishment independents, or anti-establishment progressives, I know that's an outcome that will be very unpopular here which is why you desperately cling to any alternative. But in all likelihood our next First Lady will be named Bill.

It seems she's inevitable until she starts campaigning and reminding people she just isn't that likable. I think there's a chance another Democrat can steal the nomination. Whether Warren is that person remains to be seen, but she's got some views I can easily support.

 

[pantagrapher]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/elizabeth-warren-jon-stewart_n_5170325.html

She had such a bad case of nerves before the 2009 broadcast that Warren threw up. Twice.

"I was miserable. I had stage fright -- gut-wrenching, stomach-turning, bile-filled stage fright. And I was stuck in a gloomy little bathroom, about to go on The Daily Show," the Massachusetts Democrat recalls in her new book, A Fighting Chance, due out next week.

"I was having serious doubts about going through with this. I had talked to reporters and been interviewed plenty of times, but this was different. At any second, the whole interview could turn into a giant joke -- and what if the joke turned on the work I was trying to do?"

"For the zillionth time, I asked myself why on God's green earth I had agreed to sit down with Jon Stewart," Warren writes.

Wow. A US Senator.

I know, right? One that's actually honest.

It's charming for sure, and I love intellectual integrity, but... a US Senator who gets nervous-sick on talk shows? Just surprising I guess.

It happens.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/elizabeth-warren-jon-stewart_n_5170325.html

She had such a bad case of nerves before the 2009 broadcast that Warren threw up. Twice.

"I was miserable. I had stage fright -- gut-wrenching, stomach-turning, bile-filled stage fright. And I was stuck in a gloomy little bathroom, about to go on The Daily Show," the Massachusetts Democrat recalls in her new book, A Fighting Chance, due out next week.

"I was having serious doubts about going through with this. I had talked to reporters and been interviewed plenty of times, but this was different. At any second, the whole interview could turn into a giant joke -- and what if the joke turned on the work I was trying to do?"

"For the zillionth time, I asked myself why on God's green earth I had agreed to sit down with Jon Stewart," Warren writes.

Wow. A US Senator.

I know, right? One that's actually honest.

It's charming for sure, and I love intellectual integrity, but... a US Senator who gets nervous-sick on talk shows? Just surprising I guess.

It happens.

Twitter exploded during Sen. Marco Rubio's Republican response to the State of the Union, as the Florida senator appeared a little sweaty and dry-mouthed at mid-speech, taking an awkward swig from a bottle of water that had been placed off-camera. Rubio handled the hullabaloo with some humor, later tweeting a picture of the water bottle.

Yikes. Also another Senator who might drop a shoe into the 2016 race.

 

[saintfool]

Saints, Webb is running. Actually I think he's really running for VP. Warren won't run.

Look I get that the inevitability of Hillary is boring, but it's going to be a boring election anyhow . Hillary will win the nomination easily and she'll win the presidency easily. It will be a victory for the establishment all the way. Since most politically minded people in this forum are either conservatives, anti-establishment independents, or anti-establishment progressives, I know that's an outcome that will be very unpopular here which is why you desperately cling to any alternative. But in all likelihood our next First Lady will be named Bill.

It seems she's inevitable until she starts campaigning and reminding people she just isn't that likable. I think there's a chance another Democrat can steal the nomination. Whether Warren is that person remains to be seen, but she's got some views I can easily support.

people keep saying that but it's not coming from the Dem camp. For someone that is a political neophyte, she seems to be doing well compared to an established Clinton "brand".

From 538 earlier this year:

One way we know Warren isn’t the 2008 Obama is the thermometer test. It’s a good way to test a relatively unknown potential candidate’s likability. It asks people (not counting those who don’t yet have an opinion) on a scale from 0 to 100 how they feel about a person. Warren’s average temperature among Democrats nationally was 63.9 in a Quinnipiac University survey conducted in March; that’s behind Clinton’s 78.7.

 

[pantagrapher]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/elizabeth-warren-jon-stewart_n_5170325.html

She had such a bad case of nerves before the 2009 broadcast that Warren threw up. Twice.

"I was miserable. I had stage fright -- gut-wrenching, stomach-turning, bile-filled stage fright. And I was stuck in a gloomy little bathroom, about to go on The Daily Show," the Massachusetts Democrat recalls in her new book, A Fighting Chance, due out next week.

"I was having serious doubts about going through with this. I had talked to reporters and been interviewed plenty of times, but this was different. At any second, the whole interview could turn into a giant joke -- and what if the joke turned on the work I was trying to do?"

"For the zillionth time, I asked myself why on God's green earth I had agreed to sit down with Jon Stewart," Warren writes.

Wow. A US Senator.

I know, right? One that's actually honest.

It's charming for sure, and I love intellectual integrity, but... a US Senator who gets nervous-sick on talk shows? Just surprising I guess.

It happens.

Twitter exploded during Sen. Marco Rubio's Republican response to the State of the Union, as the Florida senator appeared a little sweaty and dry-mouthed at mid-speech, taking an awkward swig from a bottle of water that had been placed off-camera. Rubio handled the hullabaloo with some humor, later tweeting a picture of the water bottle.

Yikes. Also another Senator who might drop a shoe into the 2016 race.

I think there's extra pressure on a politician who has big aspirations. One bad day in front of the camera can sink you. Just ask Howard Dean.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

wut

I'm laughing at her being nervous about going on Jon Stewart, as if the kids' gloves weren't warmed, dried, and even laced up for the host when she was on.

I crossed out your quote because I didn't want to involve your comment in my ridicule of her, but I was too lazy to find the original quote from WidBill83 that was back in June.

Click on the little arrow over to the right of the headers preceding a quoted post.

Like where it says pantagrapher, on 12 Dec 2014 - 05:59 AM, said: [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]... to the far right of that, there's a little arrow that links back to that post.[/SIZE]

 

[urbanhack]

Warren won't run for President this time around. However, her backers might push for her to be Senate Majority Leader in 2017. I doubt that will happen either.

"Inconceivable", right?

I think this little government shutdown fiasco is all about her running for president. This is a shot across the Clintons' bow and they weren't even looking.

There is no substance to being opposed to what was put in the bill at the last minute?? It's ####### ridiculous.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Warren won't run for President this time around. However, her backers might push for her to be Senate Majority Leader in 2017. I doubt that will happen either.

"Inconceivable", right?

I think this little government shutdown fiasco is all about her running for president. This is a shot across the Clintons' bow and they weren't even looking.

There is no substance to being opposed to what was put in the bill at the last minute?? It's ####### ridiculous.

Last time Democrats broke from the President in this way was.... when again?

 

[rockaction]

wut

I'm laughing at her being nervous about going on Jon Stewart, as if the kids' gloves weren't warmed, dried, and even laced up for the host when she was on.

I crossed out your quote because I didn't want to involve your comment in my ridicule of her, but I was too lazy to find the original quote from WidBill83 that was back in June.

Click on the little arrow over to the right of the headers preceding a quoted post.

Like where it says pantagrapher, on 12 Dec 2014 - 05:59 AM, said: [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]... to the far right of that, there's a little arrow that links back to that post.[/SIZE]

Thank you. There's a bunch of logistical stuff on the board I probably could take advantage of and don't understand, even though I've read the FAQs. That will help a bunch.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And here comes the buzz right on cue:

Elizabeth Warren Start Rises Amid ConfrontationAs this week made clear, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren is taking aggressive steps to push the Democratic Party and President Obama to the left, in effect trying to be the true leader of the party even as Obama remains in office and Hillary Clinton is heavily favored to be the Democrats' next presidential nominee.

The first-term senator's decision to forcefully urge other Democrats to oppose a government funding bill because it would weaken a plank of the Dodd-Frank bill that regulates Wall Street is a direct confrontation with her party's leadership: top Senate Democrats negotiated the compromise that Warren is blasting, and it was endorsed by Obama. Most House Democrats, following Warren's lead, opposed the legislation, nearly scuttling it on Thursday.

The bill, which funds the government for the next year, narrowly passed the House, just hours before funding ran out, and is expected to be approved by the Senate. But her role in leading the opposition illustrated the rapidly-rising influence of Warren, who is now battling with the Obama White House on key issues, taking an official leadership post in the Senate and being strongly urged to run against Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Senator Warren, we're ready to show you that you have the support needed to enter--and win--this presidential race

Her campaign against this bill, which would relax some regulations on derivatives, is one of a series of moves Warren has made over the last month to urge Democrats to shift to the left, not the political center, in the wake of the drubbing the party took in last month's elections. Warren is also leading the opposition to Antonio Weiss, President Obama's choice to be the under secretary for domestic finance at the Treasury Department, arguing that Weiss will too closely follow the views of Wall Street since he is currently the head of global investment banking at Lazard.

She is publicly urging President Obama to be cautious about reaching agreements with the newly-empowered Republicans on Capitol Hill.

"The solution isn't for the president to cut deals — any deals — just to show he can do business," she wrote in a recent op-ed in the Washington Post.

Some have compared Warren to Texas Republican Ted Cruz, another freshman senator who has also implored his party that not all compromises are the right policy.

But Warren is unlikely to lead a government shutdown over the weakening of Dodd-Frank, as Cruz did last year to block the implementation of Obamacare. And the other key difference is that unlike Cruz, who is preparing for a presidential campaign, Warren probably won't run in 2016.


Her supporters are begging Warren to enter the race, to give the populist wing of the Democratic Party a chance to either block Hillary Clinton's likely nomination or force Clinton to confront directly her differences with Warren on stage in debates during the primary.A group of 300 former Obama staffers released a letter this week urging Warren to run.

"We'll host an Iowa launch event in Des Moines, where the road to the White House begins. We'll go all in. Hire staff. Open offices. Run ads in major media outlets. Mobilize an army of volunteers. Reach as many voters as we can. Senator Warren, we're ready to show you that you have the support needed to enter--and win--this presidential race," wrote the leaders of the liberal group MoveOn.org this week, in an op-ed published in the Huffington Post, as they announced their "Run Warren Run" movement to draft her.

Warren has said repeatedly again she won't run for president and has eschewed the repeated visits to Iowa and New Hampshire and other moves that would signal she is seriously considering such a campaign. A presidential run would have obvious challenges for Warren, who has much less electoral experience than Obama did when he successfully challenged Clinton in 2008. (Warren, a longtime law professor, had never served in elective office before entering the Senate in 2013.)

But Warren is making a shift in an attempt to elevate herself politically, even if she opts against a presidential run. She has been a favorite of liberals since her Senate campaign, because of her populist rhetoric and sharp questioning of witnesses at congressional hearings, which have turned into popular viral videos. But she mostly focused on giving speeches about the high costs of student loans and other economic issues in her first 22 months in the Senate, not trying to use her grassroots popularity to shape the broader Democratic Party.

Those days of limited ambition for Warren seem to be over. Last month, she accepted a newly-created post in which Warren is supposed to be a "strategic policy adviser" for Senate Democrats, a job which has not been completely defined but ensures she will regularly offering advice to Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid. She wrote the Post op-ed only a few days after the election, in a clear attempt to influence the party's direction.

MoveOn.org ✔ @MoveOn Follow

What is #RunWarrenRun all about? @elizabethforma sums quite a bit of it up right here. #p2

And there are signs her new approach is already working. Illinois Sen. **** Durbin, a longtime Obama ally, has said he too will oppose Weiss' nomination, and many other Senate Democrats are also considering voting down Weiss. That would be a huge victory for Warren over Obama and his team, who are actively trying to build support for Weiss.

Warren's attacks on the government funding bill seemed to embolden other Democrats, with even House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi following Warren's lead and also becoming a very strong opponent of the provision.

Warren has not indicated this publicly, but her moves suggest her role in 2015 will be holding Obama accountable to the political left. The president has talked about reaching compromises with Republicans on reducing corporate tax rates and enacting free trade agreements, both goals Warren is skeptical of.

And Warren could be headed toward a confrontation with Clinton as well. Whatever stance Warren takes in Congress, Clinton will be asked by reporters on the campaign trail if she agrees with it. And the liberals in the Democratic Party will be expecting that the answer from Clinton is yes.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/elizabeth-warren-start-rises-amid-confrontation-n267251

 

[cstu]

Her campaign against this bill, which would relax some regulations on derivatives

What could go wrong?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Warren won't run for President this time around. However, her backers might push for her to be Senate Majority Leader in 2017. I doubt that will happen either.

"Inconceivable", right?

I think this little government shutdown fiasco is all about her running for president. This is a shot across the Clintons' bow and they weren't even looking.

There is no substance to being opposed to what was put in the bill at the last minute?? It's ####### ridiculous.

Last time Democrats broke from the President in this way was.... when again?

The president didn't draft the budget. In fact he's said he doesn't like elements of it. He clearly is agreeing to it only because he no longer has the political clout to oppose it after the midterm elections.

She's breaking from the GOP House and the awful legislation they drafted and passed, not the president.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Warren won't run for President this time around. However, her backers might push for her to be Senate Majority Leader in 2017. I doubt that will happen either.

"Inconceivable", right?

I think this little government shutdown fiasco is all about her running for president. This is a shot across the Clintons' bow and they weren't even looking.

There is no substance to being opposed to what was put in the bill at the last minute?? It's ####### ridiculous.

Last time Democrats broke from the President in this way was.... when again?

The president didn't draft the budget. In fact he's said he doesn't like elements of it. He clearly is agreeing to it only because he no longer has the political clout to oppose it after the midterm elections.

She's breaking from the GOP House and the awful legislation they drafted and passed, not the president.

Gosh, it sure sounds like the President compromised to get a bill passed.

That's good, right, we want that?

 

[FlapJacks]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/elizabeth-warren-jon-stewart_n_5170325.html

She had such a bad case of nerves before the 2009 broadcast that Warren threw up. Twice.

"I was miserable. I had stage fright -- gut-wrenching, stomach-turning, bile-filled stage fright. And I was stuck in a gloomy little bathroom, about to go on The Daily Show," the Massachusetts Democrat recalls in her new book, A Fighting Chance, due out next week.

"I was having serious doubts about going through with this. I had talked to reporters and been interviewed plenty of times, but this was different. At any second, the whole interview could turn into a giant joke -- and what if the joke turned on the work I was trying to do?"

"For the zillionth time, I asked myself why on God's green earth I had agreed to sit down with Jon Stewart," Warren writes.

Wow. A US Senator.

wow can we get past this? Marco Rubio was assailed for drinking a sip of water. Hillary gets assailed for "cankles." Rick Perry had a mental block in a debate and Howard dean say "woooo!"

can we get to the point where we stop using these trivial human moments as a way to "disqualify" people?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Warren won't run for President this time around. However, her backers might push for her to be Senate Majority Leader in 2017. I doubt that will happen either.

"Inconceivable", right?

I think this little government shutdown fiasco is all about her running for president. This is a shot across the Clintons' bow and they weren't even looking.

There is no substance to being opposed to what was put in the bill at the last minute?? It's ####### ridiculous.

Last time Democrats broke from the President in this way was.... when again?

The president didn't draft the budget. In fact he's said he doesn't like elements of it. He clearly is agreeing to it only because he no longer has the political clout to oppose it after the midterm elections.

She's breaking from the GOP House and the awful legislation they drafted and passed, not the president.

Gosh, it sure sounds like the President compromised to get a bill passed.

That's good, right, we want that?

Depends on the content of the bill I suppose. Not sure why you're changing the subject, though. She didn't break from the President. If anything he might be secretly pleased that someone is calling out this crap legislation since he can't do it more forcefully.

 

[cstu]

wow can we get past this? Marco Rubio was assailed for drinking a sip of water. Hillary gets assailed for "cankles." Rick Perry had a mental block in a debate and Howard dean say "woooo!"

can we get to the point where we stop using these trivial human moments as a way to "disqualify" people?

It is time to elect a world leader, and your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three leading candidates:

Candidate A: Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologers. He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B: He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.

Candidate C: He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and hasn't had any extra-marital affairs.

Which of these candidates would be your choice?

And the candidates are:

Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt

Candidate B is Winston Churchill

Candidate C is Adolf Hitler

So...what makes a leader a good leader??

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/elizabeth-warren-jon-stewart_n_5170325.html

She had such a bad case of nerves before the 2009 broadcast that Warren threw up. Twice.

"I was miserable. I had stage fright -- gut-wrenching, stomach-turning, bile-filled stage fright. And I was stuck in a gloomy little bathroom, about to go on The Daily Show," the Massachusetts Democrat recalls in her new book, A Fighting Chance, due out next week.

"I was having serious doubts about going through with this. I had talked to reporters and been interviewed plenty of times, but this was different. At any second, the whole interview could turn into a giant joke -- and what if the joke turned on the work I was trying to do?"

"For the zillionth time, I asked myself why on God's green earth I had agreed to sit down with Jon Stewart," Warren writes.

Wow. A US Senator.

wow can we get past this? Marco Rubio was assailed for drinking a sip of water. Hillary gets assailed for "cankles." Rick Perry had a mental block in a debate and Howard dean say "woooo!"

can we get to the point where we stop using these trivial human moments as a way to "disqualify" people?

I think the Rick Perry thing was bad.

I'll throw another one out there: Richard Nixon vs Jack Kennedy. You know what as it turns out Nixon wasn't ready for prime time. Rubio can't get up the gumption to speak to the American public for a SOTU address that no one is watching, but what happens when he has to lead the peopel with a speech on tv when we're in a crisis? - I wouldn't write this stuff off altogether.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Warren won't run for President this time around. However, her backers might push for her to be Senate Majority Leader in 2017. I doubt that will happen either.

"Inconceivable", right?

I think this little government shutdown fiasco is all about her running for president. This is a shot across the Clintons' bow and they weren't even looking.

There is no substance to being opposed to what was put in the bill at the last minute?? It's ####### ridiculous.

Last time Democrats broke from the President in this way was.... when again?

The president didn't draft the budget. In fact he's said he doesn't like elements of it. He clearly is agreeing to it only because he no longer has the political clout to oppose it after the midterm elections.

She's breaking from the GOP House and the awful legislation they drafted and passed, not the president.

Gosh, it sure sounds like the President compromised to get a bill passed.

That's good, right, we want that?

Depends on the content of the bill I suppose. Not sure why you're changing the subject, though. She didn't break from the President. If anything he might be secretly pleased that someone is calling out this crap legislation since he can't do it more forcefully.

Ok, the president wanted the bill passed, I can't even remember a revolt by Democrats against any bill that the president even said he would "sign" (if not outright "avidly support"). Hell Pelosi went back on her own bill that she sponsored and put up for vote. Lots of cognitive dissonance going on here.

Democrats getting awfully teaparty'ish & Cruzish btw.

 

[Jackstraw]

Her campaign against this bill, which would relax some regulations on derivatives

What could go wrong?

Casino's open! Wheeeeeeeeee!

 

[CletiusMaximus]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/elizabeth-warren-jon-stewart_n_5170325.html

She had such a bad case of nerves before the 2009 broadcast that Warren threw up. Twice.

"I was miserable. I had stage fright -- gut-wrenching, stomach-turning, bile-filled stage fright. And I was stuck in a gloomy little bathroom, about to go on The Daily Show," the Massachusetts Democrat recalls in her new book, A Fighting Chance, due out next week.

"I was having serious doubts about going through with this. I had talked to reporters and been interviewed plenty of times, but this was different. At any second, the whole interview could turn into a giant joke -- and what if the joke turned on the work I was trying to do?"

"For the zillionth time, I asked myself why on God's green earth I had agreed to sit down with Jon Stewart," Warren writes.

Wow. A US Senator.

wow can we get past this? Marco Rubio was assailed for drinking a sip of water. Hillary gets assailed for "cankles." Rick Perry had a mental block in a debate and Howard dean say "woooo!"

can we get to the point where we stop using these trivial human moments as a way to "disqualify" people?

There is no chance we'll get past the phenomenon of superficial appearances dominating over substance. We're moving further in that direction with every election and will only continue further down that path.

 

[Hilts]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/elizabeth-warren-jon-stewart_n_5170325.html

She had such a bad case of nerves before the 2009 broadcast that Warren threw up. Twice.

"I was miserable. I had stage fright -- gut-wrenching, stomach-turning, bile-filled stage fright. And I was stuck in a gloomy little bathroom, about to go on The Daily Show," the Massachusetts Democrat recalls in her new book, A Fighting Chance, due out next week.

"I was having serious doubts about going through with this. I had talked to reporters and been interviewed plenty of times, but this was different. At any second, the whole interview could turn into a giant joke -- and what if the joke turned on the work I was trying to do?"

"For the zillionth time, I asked myself why on God's green earth I had agreed to sit down with Jon Stewart," Warren writes.

Wow. A US Senator.

wow can we get past this? Marco Rubio was assailed for drinking a sip of water. Hillary gets assailed for "cankles." Rick Perry had a mental block in a debate and Howard dean say "woooo!"

can we get to the point where we stop using these trivial human moments as a way to "disqualify" people?

 

[Hilts]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/18/elizabeth-warren-jon-stewart_n_5170325.html

She had such a bad case of nerves before the 2009 broadcast that Warren threw up. Twice.

"I was miserable. I had stage fright -- gut-wrenching, stomach-turning, bile-filled stage fright. And I was stuck in a gloomy little bathroom, about to go on The Daily Show," the Massachusetts Democrat recalls in her new book, A Fighting Chance, due out next week.

"I was having serious doubts about going through with this. I had talked to reporters and been interviewed plenty of times, but this was different. At any second, the whole interview could turn into a giant joke -- and what if the joke turned on the work I was trying to do?"

"For the zillionth time, I asked myself why on God's green earth I had agreed to sit down with Jon Stewart," Warren writes.

Wow. A US Senator.

wow can we get past this? Marco Rubio was assailed for drinking a sip of water. Hillary gets assailed for "cankles." Rick Perry had a mental block in a debate and Howard dean say "woooo!"

can we get to the point where we stop using these trivial human moments as a way to "disqualify" people?

There is no chance we'll get past the phenomenon of superficial appearances dominating over substance. We're moving further in that direction with every election and will only continue further down that path.

We've always done this. It's not a new phenomenon.

 

[saintfool]

Her campaign against this bill, which would relax some regulations on derivatives

What could go wrong?

Interesting that Paul Vohlker is not opposed to this now, apparently. I heard that he's fine with it because of the V-Rule means that they're better capitalized now.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Warren won't run for President this time around. However, her backers might push for her to be Senate Majority Leader in 2017. I doubt that will happen either.

"Inconceivable", right?

I think this little government shutdown fiasco is all about her running for president. This is a shot across the Clintons' bow and they weren't even looking.

There is no substance to being opposed to what was put in the bill at the last minute?? It's ####### ridiculous.

Last time Democrats broke from the President in this way was.... when again?

The president didn't draft the budget. In fact he's said he doesn't like elements of it. He clearly is agreeing to it only because he no longer has the political clout to oppose it after the midterm elections.

She's breaking from the GOP House and the awful legislation they drafted and passed, not the president.

Gosh, it sure sounds like the President compromised to get a bill passed.

That's good, right, we want that?

Depends on the content of the bill I suppose. Not sure why you're changing the subject, though. She didn't break from the President. If anything he might be secretly pleased that someone is calling out this crap legislation since he can't do it more forcefully.

Ok, the president wanted the bill passed, I can't even remember a revolt by Democrats against any bill that the president even said he would "sign" (if not outright "avidly support"). Hell Pelosi went back on her own bill that she sponsored and put up for vote. Lots of cognitive dissonance going on here.

Democrats getting awfully teaparty'ish & Cruzish btw.

Knock it off. The president wanted a budget passed. He didn't want the Citibank provision tacked onto it, nor did he want the expanded election spending tacked onto it, nor did he want the DC pot override tacked onto it. He said as much. You're smart enough to understand that. And there's been no "revolt." People have railed against those three elements of the larger budget, because they're terrible. They're in there because the GOP wanted them in there and had the votes and clout to get them in there. Anyone who opposes those turds is fighting the good fight. I'm pretty sure Obama is happy they're doing so, even if he publicly has to say they should swallow those turds to get the budget passed.

I don't know what it means to be "teaparty'ish," but the difference between these battles and what Cruz fought should be obvious. Just in case it's not- Cruz fought enacted federal standalone legislation by demanding it be reversed via the budget process and then throwing a hissy fit about it. People who opposed his position did so on the merits of the legislation/policies he fought, in addition to opposing his tactics, i.e. his willingness to shut down the government to get his way. There is no duly enacted legislation being rolled back here. The Citibank provision, the expanded election spending, and the DC pot override are all new initiatives, not reversals of existing federal law. Also, nobody is willing to stand up and back those new initiatives publicly except for the one guy who pushed the DC pot override. It's chicken#### politics and everyone knows it. Warren should be commended for calling it out.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

WASHINGTON — Despite reservations, President Obama would sign a proposed $1.1 trillion spending bill in order to keep the government open, his spokesman said Thursday.

While congressional Democrats and White House officials have objected to parts of the plan, presidential spokesman Josh Earnest said passage would "provide certainty to our economy."

Earnest praised the plan because it includes money to stop the spread of Ebola and to fight the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. He also noted that it contains sufficient financing for early childhood development, efforts to address climate change, and agencies that regulate financial transactions, Earnest said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/11/obama-congress-spending-bill-government-shutdown/20250383/

 

[TobiasFunke]

WASHINGTON — Despite reservations, President Obama would sign a proposed $1.1 trillion spending bill in order to keep the government open, his spokesman said Thursday.

While congressional Democrats and White House officials have objected to parts of the plan, presidential spokesman Josh Earnest said passage would "provide certainty to our economy."

Earnest praised the plan because it includes money to stop the spread of Ebola and to fight the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. He also noted that it contains sufficient financing for early childhood development, efforts to address climate change, and agencies that regulate financial transactions, Earnest said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/11/obama-congress-spending-bill-government-shutdown/20250383/

I honestly can't tell if you're being disingenuous out of boredom on a Friday afternoon or if you're really this stupid.

You've never seemed stupid before, so I'm gonna assume it's the former. I can respect that.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

WASHINGTON — Despite reservations, President Obama would sign a proposed $1.1 trillion spending bill in order to keep the government open, his spokesman said Thursday.

While congressional Democrats and White House officials have objected to parts of the plan, presidential spokesman Josh Earnest said passage would "provide certainty to our economy."

Earnest praised the plan because it includes money to stop the spread of Ebola and to fight the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. He also noted that it contains sufficient financing for early childhood development, efforts to address climate change, and agencies that regulate financial transactions, Earnest said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/11/obama-congress-spending-bill-government-shutdown/20250383/

I honestly can't tell if you're being disingenuous out of boredom on a Friday afternoon or if you're really this stupid.

You've never seemed stupid before, so I'm gonna assume it's the former. I can respect that.

Tobias, you're charitable as always, I appreciate it, have a great weekend.

 

[TobiasFunke]

WASHINGTON — Despite reservations, President Obama would sign a proposed $1.1 trillion spending bill in order to keep the government open, his spokesman said Thursday.

While congressional Democrats and White House officials have objected to parts of the plan, presidential spokesman Josh Earnest said passage would "provide certainty to our economy."

Earnest praised the plan because it includes money to stop the spread of Ebola and to fight the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. He also noted that it contains sufficient financing for early childhood development, efforts to address climate change, and agencies that regulate financial transactions, Earnest said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/11/obama-congress-spending-bill-government-shutdown/20250383/

I honestly can't tell if you're being disingenuous out of boredom on a Friday afternoon or if you're really this stupid.

You've never seemed stupid before, so I'm gonna assume it's the former. I can respect that.

Tobias, you're charitable as always, I appreciate it, have a great weekend.

 

[timschochet]

So apparently progressives are upset at this budget because it loosens some of the restrictions on big banks that Dodd/Frank put in place.

Meanwhile, conservatives are annoyed at this budget because it funds Obama's new illegal immigration executive order- which the GOP leadership swore it would not do- and also continues to fund Obamacare.

As per usual, both extremes are angry whenever the moderates try to forge a bipartisan agreement.

 

[TobiasFunke]

So apparently progressives are upset at this budget because it loosens some of the restrictions on big banks that Dodd/Frank put in place.

Meanwhile, conservatives are annoyed at this budget because it funds Obama's new illegal immigration executive order- which the GOP leadership swore it would not do- and also continues to fund Obamacare.

As per usual, both extremes are angry whenever the moderates try to forge a bipartisan agreement.

Those on the left are mad about the three things- the restrictions you mention (really more about who has to bail them out if they fail), a massive increase in individual campaign limits, and the attempted rejection of DC pot laws.

As I mentioned before, the big difference is that there are people who will speak publicly on behalf of Obama's immigration order and the policy behind it as well as Obamacare and would have adopted/did adopt them as standalone policies. Nobody is willing to do that with the three GOP-backed items I mentioned above except the one guy w/r/t the weed rollback. Those are being hidden in an omnibus budget measure out of cowardice.

 

[saintfool]

So apparently progressives are upset at this budget because it loosens some of the restrictions on big banks that Dodd/Frank put in place.

Meanwhile, conservatives are annoyed at this budget because it funds Obama's new illegal immigration executive order- which the GOP leadership swore it would not do- and also continues to fund Obamacare.

As per usual, both extremes are angry whenever the moderates try to forge a bipartisan agreement.

Those on the left are mad about the three things- the restrictions you mention (really more about who has to bail them out if they fail), a massive increase in individual campaign limits, and the attempted rejection of DC pot laws.

As I mentioned before, the big difference is that there are people who will speak publicly on behalf of Obama's immigration order and the policy behind it as well as Obamacare and would have adopted/did adopt them as standalone policies. Nobody is willing to do that with the three GOP-backed items I mentioned above except the one guy w/r/t the weed rollback. Those are being hidden in an omnibus budget measure out of cowardice.

this is the more important issue to me rather than the banking regulatory changes. going from $100k limit to $800k is pretty outrageous, as if there wasn't *ENOUGH* money in elections. this just makes it somehow worse.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJpTxONxvoo&list=UUTH9zV8Imw09J5bOoTR18_A

 

[johnnycakes]

Whoa.

We believed in an unlikely candidate who no one thought had a chance.

We worked for him — and against all odds, we won in Iowa.

We organized like no campaign had organized before — and won the Democratic primary.

We built a movement — and the country elected the first-ever African American president.

We know that the improbable is far from impossible.

Now, former staffers from President Obama’s campaigns, along with former staffers from OFA, are joining with the thousands of Americans who are calling on Elizabeth Warren to run for president in 2016.

Rising income inequality is the challenge of our times, and we want someone who will stand up for working families and take on the Wall Street banks and special interests that took down our economy.

We urge Elizabeth Warren to run for president in 2016. Signed,A whole bunch of big shots.

 

[Soonerman]

Ted Cruz threatens a government shutdown = terrorist

Elizabeth Warren threatens a government shutdown = hero

 

[Slapdash]

Her campaign against this bill, which would relax some regulations on derivatives

What could go wrong?

Casino's open! Wheeeeeeeeee!

It never closed. We haven't even implemented large parts of that already watered down Dodd Frank bill.

 

[Slapdash]

Rolling back regulation in exchange for keeping the government open. Hostage taking is the new normal.

 

[timschochet]

Ted Cruz threatens a government shutdown = terrorist

Elizabeth Warren threatens a government shutdown = hero

As far as I'm concerned , both deserve equal criticism for this.

 

[jonessed]

Rolling back regulation in exchange for keeping the government open. Hostage taking is the new normal.

It always has been.

 

[timschochet]

Rolling back regulation in exchange for keeping the government open. Hostage taking is the new normal.

It always has been.

Exactly right except that most of us wouldn't term late additions to budget bills as "hostage taking". That's not new either , unfortunately.

 

[timschochet]

What's cracks me up is people calling Warren brave for speaking out about this. Like the time when Obama, as a Senator, voted against the debt ceiling, Warren knew she could speak out because she knew the bill would pass. Thus she protects her image as a heroine to the left without threatening the process in any way. Brave? It's politics 101.