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I was asked to take my niece into our home. UPDATE #59 (1 Viewer)

Lutherman2112

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I have made a couple of references to my alcoholic brother. He can't keep away from the sauce, drinks to point of blacking out, and now he has turned violent. I learned Sunday that my niece was removed from the home. A teacher questioned her about bruises on her arm Friday morning, asked about the injury, and my niece reported her father (my brother) gave her the bruises. Upon further examination by the school nurse, more bruises were discovered. Niece was removed from the home.

The domestic abuse shelter was full, the child foster home didn't have the room, and the only place available with space was the Salvation Army homeless shelter. My niece has special needs. She was born with hydrocephalus, and as a result she has low (but functional IQ) and physical difficulties. While she is 18 (will be 19 next month), she has yet to graduate high school; school recommended another year of part time school. All of her course work is practical work like managing money, working, etc. I have since learned that one of her advisers took temporary custody over the weekend.

I was contacted by the school resource officer (policeman assigned to the school), and was asked flat out if we could take my niece into our house. It can't happen today, or tomorrow as the court would have to act, so I scheduled an appointment first thing tomorrow morning. We will have a family discussion tonight, including my son at college via Skype. The high school administrators know I am a teacher, and CPS know me and that I have worked for a non-profit child welfare organization. Furthermore, my niece named me as a family member with which she would feel safe.

My instinct is to take her in, without a second thought. However, I must think of my family. I was one of two brothers that signed the paperwork that forced him into a 28 day program. He has been through 2 other rehabs. My parents are enablers that only want to protect him (I have yet to speak to them about this situation). My mom's health is declining, and there is no way my niece would be permitted to stay with them. My other brother (the one that signed the order with me for 28 day rehab) and his wife work out of town from time to time, so that isn't a good fit. So right now it's me or some other institutional element.

I am worried about the violent turn my brother has taken, and I worry his drunk ### would stumble over and cause trouble. My daughter just started counseling for anxiety disorder (my daughter and the niece get along fine). So many things I just can't name it all.

Just looking for input or commiseration...totally heartbroken and don't know what to do.

 
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Damn, how gut-wrenching.

Your niece is family too, and is the only innocent party here and moreover is still a child in all but age apparently. Take her in, even if it pisses off everyone else. It's the right thing to do.

 
Damn, how gut-wrenching.

Your niece is family too, and is the only innocent party here and moreover is still a child in all but age apparently. Take her in, even if it pisses off everyone else. It's the right thing to do.
This is my lean, but I'm not qualified to do more than wish Lutherman and his niece well.

 
Make sure your wife and immediate family are good with it. It seems you want to take her in and she would want to be taken in. If all agree, then do it.

 
I agree with the other who say to take her in. She is the one who needs help, and you seem to be in a position to do so. Let the chips fall where they may with the rest of the family, but this kid needs some love and support right now.

 
Damn, how gut-wrenching.

Your niece is family too, and is the only innocent party here and moreover is still a child in all but age apparently. Take her in, even if it pisses off everyone else. It's the right thing to do.
+1

I wouldn't think twice about it, and I know my wife and kids would be in agreement, as I'm sure yours will be as well. You are taking the right steps here by consulting your family first as it will impact all of you. But in the end, your niece is family, and family comes first. Give her the best stable environment you can to help her continue moving forward with her life. Good luck!

 
Take her in. I have a ex Brother in-law that was a boozer and pill-popper and abused my nieces for a period of months, I spoke to him with a friend of mine about it and that problem went away. In fact, he doesn't even see them now. :thumbup:

IMO you have to worry about your niece first, everything else will fall into place...or it won't. Who cares? Worry about her and your immediate family IMO, screw the rest of them. Especially the abusive brother.

 
Yeah, that's about as rough as it gets. I'm sorry. That said, I think in that position I'd take her in and make sure my brother understands that if he shows up on my property without calling ahead and getting permission, I'm going to shoot him.

 
Speaking from experience, my wife before we married took in her nephew, and her sister still to this day do not speak. She is in denial still today and not one thank you for helping out her son. However her son and my wife speak and he has the upmost respect for her decision. No ill feelings, probably more towards his mother but we have never had the full story talk with him.

This wasn't a physical abuse situation though, so that is a whole other level. But for her sake someone needs to take a stand. Sorry to hear.

 
There are a bunch of adults in this situation (legally adults, at least) and one child. The child's welfare comes before all of the adults.

 
Really no choice but to take her in, unless you can live with her ending up in a worse situation than she was in.

 
If your state's version of CPS, DES, whatever it is called has become involved they will take significant steps to ensure your and your niece's safety. Also, if he were to try anything in your care his legal consequences would be harsh.

I recognize the hesitation, but what you have to offer as family is likely way better than alternative third party placement. Do it.

 
When I was 5, my parents took in my Mom's nephew. Similar situation, except with cocaine instead of alcohol. Growing up I always referred to him as my older brother. His dad has since been released from prison, and is in a home now, needing around the clock care due to his failing body, and my older brother (technically my cousin, but whatever) and his dad have fixed their relationship. My Uncle even forgave my mom and dad a few years ago.

G'luck man, I hate that you're having to go through it, but it seems like you're leaning towards the correct decision. Hopefully your brother gets the help he needs and will be able to someday look back and thank you for doing all that you've done. Thoughts and prayers.

 
If your state's version of CPS, DES, whatever it is called has become involved they will take significant steps to ensure your and your niece's safety. Also, if he were to try anything in your care his legal consequences would be harsh.

I recognize the hesitation, but what you have to offer as family is likely way better than alternative third party placement. Do it.
This is true. From my experience, when we took in my cousin, and my uncle was released from prison, he showed up at the house once and was making death threats to my mom/dad for taking his son. I remember the cops being called and he had to go back to prison. I was only 8 or 9 at the time so I don't remember the specifics, but I remember him fighting my dad and the cops showing up, then we had to move after he went back to prison.

 
Such a tough one. I would take her in, but if your brother is a violent threat to your house and your daughter already has anxiety disorders it's even more complicated.

 
Thank you, all.

I've talked to several former coworkers in the nonprofit organization and received a great deal of input. While I worked with children/adolescents, I was completely unfamiliar with the process regarding a legal adult with developmental disabilities. Most likely, and I am not certain, my niece is under the guardianship of her parents, and all parties signed on to this knowing full well that a "re- determination of adulthood" would follow one year later.

I am definitely armed with more information regarding the process, as well as her current situation as an adult and student in the school.

Just read through my first post...sounded confusing. I am the youngest of 5; 3 brothers, one sister. 1 brother and sister live far away. Myself and two brothers live within 20-25 minutes of each other.

 
From A Few Good Men:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScXgjGagABU

If the rest of the family (especially your older brother) agree, I believe it's the right thing to take her in.
I can no longer take my abusive brother at his word. What he says sober, doesn't mean crap once he is in blackout mode.
Yup. The synonym for "addict" is "liar", and they are experts at it, and always honing their craft to cover up for the failings that would expose the addiction to others and force them to confront it.

You're a good man for tackling this.

 
Damn, how gut-wrenching.

Your niece is family too, and is the only innocent party here and moreover is still a child in all but age apparently. Take her in, even if it pisses off everyone else. It's the right thing to do.
Great post. My thoughts entirely.

Wishing you and yours the very best, Lutherman.

 
You seem to have a lot of compassion to offer in form of words, but words without action just means you don't believe in the words you say or you are a coward.

The right answer is obvious, you can lie to yourself, make up some moral reason not to do it, and then fight for your liberal beliefs on a forum and tell yourself what a great person you are for that, and maybe you'll even believe it, but deep down you'll be rotting away at your foundation if you don't do what is right.

this song fits this thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3q3DyGGNg

 
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You seem to have a lot of compassion to offer in form of words, but words without action just means you don't believe in the words you say or you are a coward.

The right answer is obvious, you can lie to yourself, make up some moral reason not to do it, and then fight for your liberal beliefs on a forum and tell yourself what a great person you are for that, and maybe you'll even believe it, but deep down you'll be rotting away at your foundation if you don't do what is right.

this song fits this thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3q3DyGGNg
You try so hard on this board. It's adorable.

 
Such a tough one. I would take her in, but if your brother is a violent threat to your house and your daughter already has anxiety disorders it's even more complicated.
Yeah, i think that is the main sticking point, not so much what the other family members think, if I'm reading it right. He's trying to protect his own children, too.

Can you get a restraining order against him? It seems like the right thing to do to take in the niece, but I would make sure that everything is in place to deter him and #### him up if he does do something.

 
You seem to have a lot of compassion to offer in form of words, but words without action just means you don't believe in the words you say or you are a coward.

The right answer is obvious, you can lie to yourself, make up some moral reason not to do it, and then fight for your liberal beliefs on a forum and tell yourself what a great person you are for that, and maybe you'll even believe it, but deep down you'll be rotting away at your foundation if you don't do what is right.

this song fits this thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3q3DyGGNg
#### off

 
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You seem to have a lot of compassion to offer in form of words, but words without action just means you don't believe in the words you say or you are a coward.

The right answer is obvious, you can lie to yourself, make up some moral reason not to do it, and then fight for your liberal beliefs on a forum and tell yourself what a great person you are for that, and maybe you'll even believe it, but deep down you'll be rotting away at your foundation if you don't do what is right.

this song fits this thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3q3DyGGNg
You try so hard on this board. It's adorable.
Trying hard is a quality trait to have. Are you the type of person that gives up easily?

 
johnjohn said:
You seem to have a lot of compassion to offer in form of words, but words without action just means you don't believe in the words you say or you are a coward.

The right answer is obvious, you can lie to yourself, make up some moral reason not to do it, and then fight for your liberal beliefs on a forum and tell yourself what a great person you are for that, and maybe you'll even believe it, but deep down you'll be rotting away at your foundation if you don't do what is right.

this song fits this thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3q3DyGGNg
Thank you. It's times like these that I am reminded about what is important in the world, and right now, I know you and your thoughts, aren't that important.

I don't mean to put you off as a human being; just one that could use a bit more development.

Take care, and God bless.

 
johnjohn said:
You seem to have a lot of compassion to offer in form of words, but words without action just means you don't believe in the words you say or you are a coward.

The right answer is obvious, you can lie to yourself, make up some moral reason not to do it, and then fight for your liberal beliefs on a forum and tell yourself what a great person you are for that, and maybe you'll even believe it, but deep down you'll be rotting away at your foundation if you don't do what is right.

this song fits this thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3q3DyGGNg
Thank you. It's times like these that I am reminded about what is important in the world, and right now, I know you and your thoughts, aren't that important.

I don't mean to put you off as a human being; just one that could use a bit more development.

Take care, and God bless.
The truth is mighty hurtful, so I don't hold a grudge towards you for insulting me.

 
T Bell said:
Damn, how gut-wrenching.

Your niece is family too, and is the only innocent party here and moreover is still a child in all but age apparently. Take her in, even if it pisses off everyone else. It's the right thing to do.
First post nailed my reaction too...

GL!

 
I agree with those that say you should take her in. I wish you the very best of luck.

Beyond that I want to add that it's threads like these, and the quality of the responses (johnjohn excepted-just ignore him) that make me continue to love this forum. There are so many kind, good, and thoughtful people here.

 
I agree with those that say you should take her in. I wish you the very best of luck.

Beyond that I want to add that it's threads like these, and the quality of the responses (johnjohn excepted-just ignore him) that make me continue to love this forum. There are so many kind, good, and thoughtful people here.
Tim, do you disagree with what I said or do you think it was just mean of me to say?

 
I can't add to what's been said - just good luck Lutherman - I hope you and your family can heal and your neice feels safe and loved.

 
I agree with those that say you should take her in. I wish you the very best of luck.

Beyond that I want to add that it's threads like these, and the quality of the responses (johnjohn excepted-just ignore him) that make me continue to love this forum. There are so many kind, good, and thoughtful people here.
Tim, do you disagree with what I said or do you think it was just mean of me to say?
Please, just stop.

 
I agree with those that say you should take her in. I wish you the very best of luck.

Beyond that I want to add that it's threads like these, and the quality of the responses (johnjohn excepted-just ignore him) that make me continue to love this forum. There are so many kind, good, and thoughtful people here.
Tim, do you disagree with what I said or do you think it was just mean of me to say?
You need to be banned. Rarely excellent, never contribute anything and post simply to troll.
 
I agree with those that say you should take her in. I wish you the very best of luck.

Beyond that I want to add that it's threads like these, and the quality of the responses (johnjohn excepted-just ignore him) that make me continue to love this forum. There are so many kind, good, and thoughtful people here.
Tim, do you disagree with what I said or do you think it was just mean of me to say?
You need to be banned. Rarely excellent, never contribute anything and post simply to troll.
Excuse me, I replied to the question he asked with how i really felt. He didn't like my answer and instead of saying I dont agree with that or ignoring it he insults me, yet I am the one that needs to be banned ? Where is your logic?

 
I agree with those that say you should take her in. I wish you the very best of luck.

Beyond that I want to add that it's threads like these, and the quality of the responses (johnjohn excepted-just ignore him) that make me continue to love this forum. There are so many kind, good, and thoughtful people here.
Tim, do you disagree with what I said or do you think it was just mean of me to say?
You need to be banned. Rarely excellent, never contribute anything and post simply to troll.
Excuse me, I replied to the question he asked with how i really felt. He didn't like my answer and instead of saying I dont agree with that or ignoring it he insults me, yet I am the one that needs to be banned ? Where is your logic?
Go away. This thread isn't about you and your opinion. To the OP, thoughts and prayers, genuinely.

 
I agree with those that say you should take her in. I wish you the very best of luck.

Beyond that I want to add that it's threads like these, and the quality of the responses (johnjohn excepted-just ignore him) that make me continue to love this forum. There are so many kind, good, and thoughtful people here.
Tim, do you disagree with what I said or do you think it was just mean of me to say?
You need to be banned. Rarely excellent, never contribute anything and post simply to troll.
Excuse me, I replied to the question he asked with how i really felt. He didn't like my answer and instead of saying I dont agree with that or ignoring it he insults me, yet I am the one that needs to be banned ? Where is your logic?
Go away. This thread isn't about you and your opinion.To the OP, thoughts and prayers, genuinely.
This thread is about everyone's opinion, thats what OP asked for "looking for input"

Once again, where is your logic ?

Edit- actually I am done replying to people trying to troll me, this is an important thread, and it should stay on track.

 
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Good Luck Lutherman. I take it you are in the same school zone? It seems like they are a valuable resource here as well.

 
I wouldn't think twice about it. It'll probably be hard and could harm your relationship with your brother, but his kid is the innocent here and you've got to do what right for her.

 
T Bell said:
Damn, how gut-wrenching.

Your niece is family too, and is the only innocent party here and moreover is still a child in all but age apparently. Take her in, even if it pisses off everyone else. It's the right thing to do.
I've been down this road with my niece. You are doing the right thing making it a family discussion and getting everybody on board. She will require more attention than your own kids and that can be an issue. Sounds like you have older kids where you can be totally open and honest about the situation. My niece was 4 and my boys around that age when we brought her in, but pm me if I can answer anything.3 years later my niece is back with her clean Mom and family relations stronger than before.

I'm not optimistic about the enablers. No words of wisdom, sorry.

Good luck and God bless you for doing the right thing.

 
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johnjohn said:
You seem to have a lot of compassion to offer in form of words, but words without action just means you don't believe in the words you say or you are a coward.

The right answer is obvious, you can lie to yourself, make up some moral reason not to do it, and then fight for your liberal beliefs on a forum and tell yourself what a great person you are for that, and maybe you'll even believe it, but deep down you'll be rotting away at your foundation if you don't do what is right.

this song fits this thread

You are a terrible poster.

 

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