BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Colin Cowherd said this morning if the Bears win on Sunday they will be the worst Super Bowl team ever with the 2006 Bears team a close second!
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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If Bears Win-Worst Super Bowl Team Ever? (1 Viewer)
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two_dollars
Footballguy
Colin Cowherd is an idiot.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
boubucarow
Footballguy
I would rather be the Worst Super Bowl Team Ever than teams that were eliminated by the Worst Super Bowl Team Ever.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
It's not even close, and Colin doesn't even have to look back very far to find other examples.
The 2007 Giants (yes, the ones who actually won the game and beat the undefeated Pats) were worse than the Bears by just about every measure. They were 14th in points scored, 17th in points allowed, only had a 22 point differential, and had a -9 in takeaway/giveaway.
The 2007 Giants (yes, the ones who actually won the game and beat the undefeated Pats) were worse than the Bears by just about every measure. They were 14th in points scored, 17th in points allowed, only had a 22 point differential, and had a -9 in takeaway/giveaway.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Colin Cowherd is the sports reporter equivalent of a shock jock.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Bears have a very good defense, a solid running game and a QB that is fantastic when he's on (but a bit erratic). Are they an "elite" team no, but they've been under-rated all year and are a very good team in a "weak" NFC.
These teams are all aruguably "worse" (and some its not really even arguable):
2008-2009 Arizona
2006-2007 Chicago
2005-2006 Seattle
2004-2005 Carolina
2000-2001 New York
1994-1995 San Diego
1982-1983 Miami
1980-1981 Philadelphi
1979-1980 LA Rams
These teams are all aruguably "worse" (and some its not really even arguable):
2008-2009 Arizona
2006-2007 Chicago
2005-2006 Seattle
2004-2005 Carolina
2000-2001 New York
1994-1995 San Diego
1982-1983 Miami
1980-1981 Philadelphi
1979-1980 LA Rams
Doug B
Footballguy
The 2010 Bears have done great since mid-season, but someone needs to explain what was going on before Halloween. I can see people thinking their September-October quality of play was the "real Bears" and that everything since has been "getting the breaks", "lucking out", etc.
Colin Cowherd was pretty young when this happened, but he may have forgotten that a mediocre 9-7 team made the Super Bowl one time (the 1979 Rams). Also, people forget because of their all-time defense, but the 2000 Ravens were essentially half a team -- if that defense had played that season even 10% worse, Baltimore wouldn't have had the offensive firepower to break 6 wins.
Colin Cowherd was pretty young when this happened, but he may have forgotten that a mediocre 9-7 team made the Super Bowl one time (the 1979 Rams). Also, people forget because of their all-time defense, but the 2000 Ravens were essentially half a team -- if that defense had played that season even 10% worse, Baltimore wouldn't have had the offensive firepower to break 6 wins.
dehaven123
Footballguy
'85 Pats?
Shutout
Footballguy
no, that was just how AWESOME the '85 Bears were. They made everyone look that bad.Sounds like Colin Cowherd is either anti-Bears or the only game he watched of them this season was the Sunday night game against the Giants and the memory stuck. They are not the same team as they were then.'85 Pats?
mcjc4
Footballguy
I have to agree, 10-6 Giants were not a better team than this years Bears. I hate the Bears, but the fact is they are very balanced when Cutler plays within himself. Their special teams gives them ridiculous field position and their defense gets turnovers almost every game. Nothing spectacular stands out other than Hester on punts, but when its all over they win. There is nobody left out of the 4 teams that I say are heads above this team. Did I mention I hate the Bears?
that's who I was thing of, tooI'm still mad that the fridge got a rushing TD instead of Walter Payton'85 Pats?
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Doug B
Footballguy
They were the NFC #1 seed that year, and had a lot of great pieces in place. They led the NFL in points allowed and in point differential. Ron Jaworski had his career season and was a Pro-Bowler that year.
Doug B
Footballguy
That was actually a very good team with solid players throughout the roster. Their window was very short, however. Can't remember what happened to Tony Eason, but he was a budding star at the time.'85 Pats?
two_dollars
Footballguy
We REALLY wanted Miami again..That was actually a very good team with solid players throughout the roster. Their window was very short, however. Can't remember what happened to Tony Eason, but he was a budding star at the time.'85 Pats?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
There were a lot of double-digit underdogs, I don't see that kind of spread with the Bears this year.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Who did the Giants play that year on their way to the SB vs who the Bears have played. Both regular season and post season?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I guess my memory failed me a bit on that one (I was pretty young). I thought I remembered them being a mediocre team that snuck through.They were the NFC #1 seed that year, and had a lot of great pieces in place. They led the NFL in points allowed and in point differential. Ron Jaworski had his career season and was a Pro-Bowler that year.
by_the_sea_wannabe
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That Charger team that got waxed by SF would probably get my vote.
Considering both the Bears and the Packers were beaten by the Deadskins this year, either should qualify as the worst Super Bowl team ever!
That's just silly. Chicago's a good team. Execellent D and special teams, Cutler's above average, they could really use a consistent game-breaking receiver. But they qualify as a decent SB team.
That's just silly. Chicago's a good team. Execellent D and special teams, Cutler's above average, they could really use a consistent game-breaking receiver. But they qualify as a decent SB team.
But they had a QB who could win the Big Game and a defense that could completely dominate the best offense ever. This Bears team couldn't beat the 2011 Giants never mind the 2007 Giants
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Eli couldn't "win the big game" until he won that particular big game. So shouldn't we wait to see what Cutler does this weekend, and then in the Super Bowl IF he wins the NFC before saying he can't "win the big game?"
Tampa, Dallas (13-3) and Greenbay (14-3) all on the road before Beating the Undefeated Pats (18-0) They went 12 - 4 the following year Losing 3 of their last 4 games after they had been depleted by injuries
Fensalk
Footballguy
How are the 2005 Seahawks on here? They were 13-3, had HFA, had the #1 offense and the #7 defense.
DoubleG
Footballguy
I agree with sho nuff...and my brain exploded after I typed that.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Especially this week.I stream 540 ESPN Milwaukee much of the day.After Mike and Mike, Cowherd is on from 9-10 and I generally pull the earphones off and they sit on my desk for an hour so I just don't have to hear his nasally annoying idiot voice spewing the crap he does.Have never liked him. Gave him a chance years ago after Kornheiser left radio. Couldnt stand him though.I agree with sho nuff...and my brain exploded after I typed that.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Bears are 11-5 and have the #4 defense (their offense is mediocre statistically). I don't think that Seattle team was bad, but I think that this Chicago team is at least arguably better - once they turned things around.I was only listing a few team where I thought an argument could be made - maybe I should have left off that Seattle team, but I never really thought of them as a "great" team. Sure they were 13-3, but the NFC West was very weak that year as well, the other three teams were a combined 15-33. Shaun Alexander did have a great season that year though and they had a solid defense, so I probably would say that they could beat this year's Bear's team.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
David Yudkin
Footballguy
According to PFR, here were the SRS scores for all the SB teams (based on points differential, margin of victory, SOS, offensive stats and defensive stats) with the 4 remaining teams from this season included.
2007 NEP 20.1
1968 BAL 17.9
1969 MIN 17.6
1991 WAS 16.6
1985 CHI 15.9
1996 GBP 15.3
1967 OAK 15.3
1975 PIT 14.2
1983 WAS 13.9
1966 GBP 13.5
2001 STL 13.4
1973 MIA 13.2
2004 NEP 12.8
1984 SFO 12.7
1999 STL 11.9
1979 PIT 11.9
1969 KCC 11.9
1994 SFO 11.6
1977 DEN 11.3
1978 DAL 11
1972 MIA 11
1966 KCC 11
2010 GBP 10.9
2009 NOS 10.8
1997 DEN 10.7
1989 SFO 10.7
2002 OAK 10.6
1984 MIA 10.6
2010 PIT 10.2
1998 ATL 10
1992 DAL 9.9
1971 DAL 9.9
2008 PIT 9.8
1995 DAL 9.7
1980 PHI 9.7
1993 DAL 9.6
1967 GBP 9.4
1989 DEN 9.3
1976 MIN 9.3
2005 SEA 9.1
1986 NYG 9
1998 DEN 8.9
2002 TBB 8.8
1990 BUF 8.6
1973 MIN 8.6
1976 OAK 8.5
1978 PIT 8.2
2000 BAL 8
1982 MIA 8
2006 CHI 7.9
1968 NYJ 7.9
2005 PIT 7.8
1977 DAL 7.8
1997 GBP 7.7
1990 NYG 7.7
1971 MIA 7.7
1982 WAS 7.4
1970 DAL 7
2003 NEP 6.9
1974 PIT 6.8
2010 NYJ 6.5
1983 RAI 6.3
1972 WAS 6.3
1981 SFO 6.2
1988 CIN 6.1
1974 MIN 6.1
2009 IND 5.9
2006 IND 5.9
1985 NEP 5.8
2004 PHI 5.6
1981 CIN 5.5
1986 DEN 5.2
1996 NEP 5.1
1993 BUF 4.8
1988 SFO 4.8
1995 PIT 4.6
1987 DEN 4.4
2001 NEP 4.3
1992 BUF 4.3
1980 OAK 4.2
2010 CHI 4.1
1975 DAL 4.1
1987 WAS 3.7
1994 SDC 3.6
1991 BUF 3.6
2007 NYG 3.3
2000 NYG 2.4
1999 TEN 1
1970 BAL 0.4
1979 RAM -0.6
2003 CAR -0.9
2008 ARI -1.9
2007 NEP 20.1
1968 BAL 17.9
1969 MIN 17.6
1991 WAS 16.6
1985 CHI 15.9
1996 GBP 15.3
1967 OAK 15.3
1975 PIT 14.2
1983 WAS 13.9
1966 GBP 13.5
2001 STL 13.4
1973 MIA 13.2
2004 NEP 12.8
1984 SFO 12.7
1999 STL 11.9
1979 PIT 11.9
1969 KCC 11.9
1994 SFO 11.6
1977 DEN 11.3
1978 DAL 11
1972 MIA 11
1966 KCC 11
2010 GBP 10.9
2009 NOS 10.8
1997 DEN 10.7
1989 SFO 10.7
2002 OAK 10.6
1984 MIA 10.6
2010 PIT 10.2
1998 ATL 10
1992 DAL 9.9
1971 DAL 9.9
2008 PIT 9.8
1995 DAL 9.7
1980 PHI 9.7
1993 DAL 9.6
1967 GBP 9.4
1989 DEN 9.3
1976 MIN 9.3
2005 SEA 9.1
1986 NYG 9
1998 DEN 8.9
2002 TBB 8.8
1990 BUF 8.6
1973 MIN 8.6
1976 OAK 8.5
1978 PIT 8.2
2000 BAL 8
1982 MIA 8
2006 CHI 7.9
1968 NYJ 7.9
2005 PIT 7.8
1977 DAL 7.8
1997 GBP 7.7
1990 NYG 7.7
1971 MIA 7.7
1982 WAS 7.4
1970 DAL 7
2003 NEP 6.9
1974 PIT 6.8
2010 NYJ 6.5
1983 RAI 6.3
1972 WAS 6.3
1981 SFO 6.2
1988 CIN 6.1
1974 MIN 6.1
2009 IND 5.9
2006 IND 5.9
1985 NEP 5.8
2004 PHI 5.6
1981 CIN 5.5
1986 DEN 5.2
1996 NEP 5.1
1993 BUF 4.8
1988 SFO 4.8
1995 PIT 4.6
1987 DEN 4.4
2001 NEP 4.3
1992 BUF 4.3
1980 OAK 4.2
2010 CHI 4.1
1975 DAL 4.1
1987 WAS 3.7
1994 SDC 3.6
1991 BUF 3.6
2007 NYG 3.3
2000 NYG 2.4
1999 TEN 1
1970 BAL 0.4
1979 RAM -0.6
2003 CAR -0.9
2008 ARI -1.9
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Pipes
Footballguy
And the whole premiss that so and so is the worst Superbowl winner ever. I'd love to be a fan of the team that was the worst champ ever...in any sport.
first Brady Patriots team and most recent Giants team were pretty bad. Cardinals 2008 defense was also really really awful. Jake Delhomme and the Panthers were also likely worse.
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Flash
Footballguy
MarshallRob
Footballguy
How did Cleveland do in that Super Bowl?
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
It would be a true credit to the coaching staff
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That really confuses you?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Went back a year too far.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Well you say you think the Bears are arguably better, have the #4 defense and then say that Seattle team could beat this Bears team.That really confuses you?
dehaven123
Footballguy
I'm sure your right.I might have only focused on the SB results in hindsight.That was actually a very good team with solid players throughout the roster. Their window was very short, however. Can't remember what happened to Tony Eason, but he was a budding star at the time.'85 Pats?
God that was an awful game.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Any SB with Tony Eason as a qb is one of the worst.no, that was just how AWESOME the '85 Bears were. They made everyone look that bad.Sounds like Colin Cowherd is either anti-Bears or the only game he watched of them this season was the Sunday night game against the Giants and the memory stuck. They are not the same team as they were then.'85 Pats?
dehaven123
Footballguy
Maybe i'll rethink it a bit...I'm changing my vote to the '94 Chargers w/ Mr Stan Humphries at the helm.Maybe the Cards from a couple yrs back come in high on the list tothat's who I was thing of, tooI'm still mad that the fridge got a rushing TD instead of Walter Payton'85 Pats?
r, maybe the WC Bills team.or, any AFC team in the 80's.I'm confused now... 
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I say the Cardinals were the worst team. I'm glad they went because they sure made the Super Bowl fun to watch, though. Very, very close game.
Runningman
Footballguy
most agree with that. When he goes off on his "worldly" rants it is just boring.two_dollars said:
Runningman
Footballguy
My vote would be for the 94 Chargers. Then the Cardinals probably. And it is tough to say but you would have to examine some of the Denver Bronco teams that went as well. The team that lost to the Giants was pretty weak.dehaven123 said:Maybe i'll rethink it a bit...I'm changing my vote to the '94 Chargers w/ Mr Stan Humphries at the helm.Maybe the Cards from a couple yrs back come in high on the list toomahabrad said:that's who I was thing of, tooI'm still mad that the fridge got a rushing TD instead of Walter Paytondehaven123 said:'85 Pats?two_dollars said:
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
The Seahawks went 13-3 that year, Alexander ran for 1800+ rushing yards, Hasselbeck had a 98.2 QB rating on the season, and they had a top 5 rushing defense. They weren't even the worst team to make the superbowl that season. As for the current Bears, I'm not so sure about the worst ever, but it's somewhat close. I'd say they've had one of the easiest paths to make it to this point in the playoffs of all time at least.Dr. Octopus said:
otello
Footballguy
The Raiders - a wild card team that year - would have been worse. No, I'm not still bitter.Dr. Octopus said:I guess my memory failed me a bit on that one (I was pretty young). I thought I remembered them being a mediocre team that snuck through.Doug B said:Dr. Octopus said:They were the NFC #1 seed that year, and had a lot of great pieces in place. They led the NFL in points allowed and in point differential. Ron Jaworski had his career season and was a Pro-Bowler that year.
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