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If Bob Kraft could only keep one of them... (1 Viewer)

Would he keep Brady or Belichick?

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Here's an interesting question: suppose Bill Bellichick had Brandon Jacobs, Kevin Jones, and Jerious Norwood on his fantasy football team this weekend, but he could only start two of them. What do you think he would do?

How about Tom Brady? What would HE do in that situation?

 
Here's an interesting question: suppose Bill Bellichick had Brandon Jacobs, Kevin Jones, and Jerious Norwood on his fantasy football team this weekend, but he could only start two of them. What do you think he would do?How about Tom Brady? What would HE do in that situation?
BB would start Brandon Jacobs and Jwood, he wouldn't trust Martz and his lack of a running game.Brady would probably start Jacobs and Kevin Jones because he went to college in Michigan and is a closet Lions homer.
 
Belichick without question. People say you can't win a SB without superior talent... how about the Pats circa '01/'02? That team had nothing, absolutely nothing, save for a Ty Law in his prime (keeping in mind, Tom Brady wasn't much more than a game manager back then). Best coaching job in history...

And yeah, BB's won a lot more with than without Brady, but Brady without Belichick is likely languishing at the bottom of a depth chart somewhere below some loser like Aaron Brooks, getting his 100th chance at being a starting QB... Brady's a good QB that's the product of a great system.

One more thing; why does everyone assume Belichick is some huge #######? You never hear him criticize, or whine, or show arrogance... he may be a little wooden, but is that really worthy of the hate he receives? People love Brett Favre with a passion, but he was a jackass for two years, holding GB hostage with his will I/won't I retire BS ("What are they gonna do, cut me?") There was a piece on espn page 2 about Belichick the other day, one portion described how he pulled over at the scene of a car accident, took charge, and likely saved a guy's life. He's a private, introverted guy who obviously lacks social skills, how does that make him evil?
You are joking...right? Maybe he won year's ago with the films he collected on other teams. Belichick is a good coach with one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. I am a 'Fins fan so it is not easy for me to write this about Brady.

Some would say Vinateiri was the MVP during the early SB years. They do have a great management plan, but I still go back to Belichick's record at Cleveland and with the Patriots before Brady took over.

I guess all of us non-Patriot fans can blame the Jets D for knocking Bledsoe out of the game.
:censored: If you're going to include Cleveland in your assessment of Belichick (where he had to run off Kozar and many other cancerous influences in the lockerroom in order to get them back to the playoffs, which he did) you also need to include the hardware he accumulated as defensive coordinator of the New York Giants.
1st of all, it is hard to argue with someone who does not know it is "KOSAR". Finally, you can not count wins as an assistant. If that is the case then you must think Dave Wannstedt is a great coach for winning SB's with the Cowboys when he was an assistant. Take Brady away and you have a slightly above average team.

 
Here's an interesting question: suppose Bill Bellichick had Brandon Jacobs, Kevin Jones, and Jerious Norwood on his fantasy football team this weekend, but he could only start two of them. What do you think he would do?How about Tom Brady? What would HE do in that situation?
:blackdot: Horrible.
 
:bs: If you're going to include Cleveland in your assessment of Belichick (where he had to run off Kozar and many other cancerous influences in the lockerroom in order to get them back to the playoffs, which he did) you also need to include the hardware he accumulated as defensive coordinator of the New York Giants.
1st of all, it is hard to argue with someone who does not know it is "KOSAR". Finally, you can not count wins as an assistant. If that is the case then you must think Dave Wannstedt is a great coach for winning SB's with the Cowboys when he was an assistant. Take Brady away and you have a slightly above average team.
Clearly mis-spelling KoSar makes all the difference in the world.Clearly the fact that the Giants were a defensive powerhouse is not relevant at all.Clearly the only thing that matters is BB's record (as a head coach only) prior to making Brady the starter in New England.Thank you for helping me to see the light.
 
Here's an interesting question: suppose Bill Bellichick had Brandon Jacobs, Kevin Jones, and Jerious Norwood on his fantasy football team this weekend, but he could only start two of them. What do you think he would do?How about Tom Brady? What would HE do in that situation?
Brady would start Tomlinson and Adrian Peterson. He's that good. Belichick would wait until after the games had been played, and start whoever did best, then say that it was a misunderstanding of the rules if he got caught.
 
Here's an interesting question: suppose Bill Bellichick had Brandon Jacobs, Kevin Jones, and Jerious Norwood on his fantasy football team this weekend, but he could only start two of them. What do you think he would do?How about Tom Brady? What would HE do in that situation?
hahahaha....now, that's a good post.I'd give you an opinion if I had one, but all 3 are sketchy, and I refuse to believe belichick would have jones and norwood on his roster --- that's stretching the fantasy in fantasy football a little thin.maybe I'd roll dice on jacobs, hoping his hammy is ok.
 
I would be stunned if anyone who has followed the Pats at all closely thinks the answer is not "keep Belichick"

That's pretty surely what Kraft would do, and he would be right to do so.

 
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I remember watching a preseason practice in '03 or '04... I turned to my brother and said "check this out.. he has Troy Brown playing as a defensive back". Before the end of the season, that preparation paid off as the Pats used Brown on both sides of the ball when injuries piled up and they won a SB. Thats one example of why I chose BB.

 
In the Greatest Draft Steals show on NFL Network, they mentioned it was someone else who identified Brady as being a guy who would be a good fit for the Patriots and was the primary reason for convincing them to go get him in the draft. I want to say it was their QB coach though I'm not positive on that. In any event, he probably deserves more credit for drafting Brady than does Belichick. And as the GM put it, if they'd been so smart in knowing how good he'd be they'd have taken him a lot earlier than that.
**** Rehbein, former NE Patriots' QB Coach, may he rest in peace.perhaps one of the most influential people in Tom Brady's career and New England's rise to NFL prominence yet nobody even knows who the guy is.What you have to give NE credit for is keeping Brady once they had him. In 2000, the Bledsoe, Michael Bishop QB "controversy"was pretty heated in NE with John Friesz firmly entrenched as the veteran backup.It was pretty unusual to keep 4 QBs on the active roster, but NE felt they saw something in Brady.After that first year, there were whispers about the young, 4th stringer who's work ethic was raved about by all the coaches.When the '01 season opened up, Brady was announced as the #2 guy (shocking some NE fans who expected Damon Huard to be #2).and FWIW, this question (Brady or Belichick) was part of a local NE TV Station poll over the weekend. If I can find it, I'll post it here.
 
Peeps are putting too much value on Brady here and not enough on what makes the machine run in NE.

The Evil Emperor is the easy choice here.

 
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I'd keep Belichick as he would be able to put just about anybody in there and produce a top notch team. He drafted Brady near the end of the draft, why couldn't he do it again?
First off, no he didn't. Second off, if it were that easy, why doesn't he just keep doing it at other positions? Or why not trade Brady for a king's ransom then just draft another 6th rounder / slash / future hall of famer?
In the Greatest Draft Steals show on NFL Network, they mentioned it was someone else who identified Brady as being a guy who would be a good fit for the Patriots and was the primary reason for convincing them to go get him in the draft. I want to say it was their QB coach though I'm not positive on that. In any event, he probably deserves more credit for drafting Brady than does Belichick. And as the GM put it, if they'd been so smart in knowing how good he'd be they'd have taken him a lot earlier than that.
The Patriots' organization has still proven to excel at evaluating talent so even in a world where Tom Brady was a total bust, I feel confident they would have just found and developed a different QB, possibly even one that we have long forgotten about.
 
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I'd keep Belichick as he would be able to put just about anybody in there and produce a top notch team. He drafted Brady near the end of the draft, why couldn't he do it again?
First off, no he didn't. Second off, if it were that easy, why doesn't he just keep doing it at other positions? Or why not trade Brady for a king's ransom then just draft another 6th rounder / slash / future hall of famer?
In the Greatest Draft Steals show on NFL Network, they mentioned it was someone else who identified Brady as being a guy who would be a good fit for the Patriots and was the primary reason for convincing them to go get him in the draft. I want to say it was their QB coach though I'm not positive on that. In any event, he probably deserves more credit for drafting Brady than does Belichick. And as the GM put it, if they'd been so smart in knowing how good he'd be they'd have taken him a lot earlier than that.
The Patriots' organization has still proven to excel at evaluating talent so even in a world where Tom Brady was a total bust, I feel confident they would have just found and developed a different QB, possibly even one that we have long forgotten about.
Again, if it were that easy, why not trade Tom Brady for a king's ransom and get a new QB. I'm sure Brady could be moved for 3 first rounders, which could be shipped for a dozen third rounders, which could become 36+ 6th rounders. That's 36 more Tom Brady's. Develop those guys, trade them for 3 firsts each, and suddenly you have 108 first round picks. Repeat, and you're looking at thousands of first round picks!Tom Brady was a fluke, just like Terrell Davis was a fluke, just like Rod Smith was a fluke, just like Joey Porter was a fluke, just like every other very late pick that went on to become an uberstud was a fluke. If the Patriots really were so good at identifying steals late in the draft, explain to me why the year after they drafted Tom Brady, their draft was Richard Seymour in the first, Matt Light in the second, and then SEVEN STRAIGHT PICKS spent on players who were out of football within 3 years. Seven picks, seven players, not a one still in the NFL four years later. It's hard to reconcile that with this mythical Patriot franchise who could just whip a replacement for Brady out of thin air with a mere 7th round draft pick.
 
If the Patriots really were so good at identifying steals late in the draft, explain to me why the year after they drafted Tom Brady, their draft was Richard Seymour in the first, Matt Light in the second, and then SEVEN STRAIGHT PICKS spent on players who were out of football within 3 years. Seven picks, seven players, not a one still in the NFL four years later. It's hard to reconcile that with this mythical Patriot franchise who could just whip a replacement for Brady out of thin air with a mere 7th round draft pick.
It's pretty simple. The Pats are too good for even an above average third rounder to make the team. As for why no other team signed them, it's because other teams can't evaluate talent as well as the Patriots, so they missed the boat on all that former-Patriot talent.
 
bostonfred said:
SSOG said:
If the Patriots really were so good at identifying steals late in the draft, explain to me why the year after they drafted Tom Brady, their draft was Richard Seymour in the first, Matt Light in the second, and then SEVEN STRAIGHT PICKS spent on players who were out of football within 3 years. Seven picks, seven players, not a one still in the NFL four years later. It's hard to reconcile that with this mythical Patriot franchise who could just whip a replacement for Brady out of thin air with a mere 7th round draft pick.
It's pretty simple. The Pats are too good for even an above average third rounder to make the team. As for why no other team signed them, it's because other teams can't evaluate talent as well as the Patriots, so they missed the boat on all that former-Patriot talent.
I agree with most of what you say here. I would say MOST other teams can't evaluate talent like the Pats. I find it interesting that all 22 of the Colts starters have played their entire career in the NFL with the Colts.That is what makes the Pats and Colts 2 of the elite teams year in and out.
 
bostonfred said:
SSOG said:
If the Patriots really were so good at identifying steals late in the draft, explain to me why the year after they drafted Tom Brady, their draft was Richard Seymour in the first, Matt Light in the second, and then SEVEN STRAIGHT PICKS spent on players who were out of football within 3 years. Seven picks, seven players, not a one still in the NFL four years later. It's hard to reconcile that with this mythical Patriot franchise who could just whip a replacement for Brady out of thin air with a mere 7th round draft pick.
It's pretty simple. The Pats are too good for even an above average third rounder to make the team. As for why no other team signed them, it's because other teams can't evaluate talent as well as the Patriots, so they missed the boat on all that former-Patriot talent.
If the Patriots were REALLY smart, they'd release all of their starters except for Brady at once so that the rest of the league went into a feeding frenzy trying to sign them all, destroying everyone else's salary cap. After that, they could just trade Tom Brady for 22 7th round picks and draft a whole new starting corps that was better than the one that they just released. That way, they'd still be able to dominate the NFL, but even moreso because the other team's salary caps would all be screwed. :thumbdown:
 
bostonfred said:
SSOG said:
If the Patriots really were so good at identifying steals late in the draft, explain to me why the year after they drafted Tom Brady, their draft was Richard Seymour in the first, Matt Light in the second, and then SEVEN STRAIGHT PICKS spent on players who were out of football within 3 years. Seven picks, seven players, not a one still in the NFL four years later. It's hard to reconcile that with this mythical Patriot franchise who could just whip a replacement for Brady out of thin air with a mere 7th round draft pick.
It's pretty simple. The Pats are too good for even an above average third rounder to make the team. As for why no other team signed them, it's because other teams can't evaluate talent as well as the Patriots, so they missed the boat on all that former-Patriot talent.
If the Patriots were REALLY smart, they'd release all of their starters except for Brady at once so that the rest of the league went into a feeding frenzy trying to sign them all, destroying everyone else's salary cap. After that, they could just trade Tom Brady for 22 7th round picks and draft a whole new starting corps that was better than the one that they just released. That way, they'd still be able to dominate the NFL, but even moreso because the other team's salary caps would all be screwed. :goodposting:
Not bad, but they're a step ahead of you. The Patriots are so good at evaluating talent that Oakland took their fourth round pick for Moss, because the Raiders know just how valuable the Patriots' late round picks are.
 
Could I have made the question any more simple?
it's clear, but it's also rediculous. brady and bb are friends and would never not be able to work together. silly thread with no point.
Then why click on my rEdiculous thread?
creature of habit i guess because i live in new england and am an avid pats fan. But there isnt a reason in the world that the two couldnt coexist. not one. can you name one?
Dude this is just for pretend, use your imagination. This is for fun only, don't get all worked up.
 

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