If the Saints don't win the Super Bowl this year... (1 Viewer)

[Yogibear]

I truly believe the Saints are better going into this year's playoffs than they were going into the playoffs the year they won Super Bowl XLIV.  And, of course, the main reason, is Drew Brees.  Like I said on another forum, he should be the LOGICAL choice this year for MVP.  Yes, Patrick Mahomes had more TD passes, but the Saints had 13 wins while the Chiefs had only 12.  And, yes, Dee Ford had 13 sacks while Cameron Jordan only had 12, but Dee Ford had his coming-out party this year, while Cameron Jordan has been getting sacks on a more consistent basis year in, year out.  The same could be said of Drew Brees: he has been a more consistent passer year in, year out while Patrick Mahomes's moment in the sun might just be this year.  And that's all the more reason why the Saints should be the odds-on-favorites to win Super Bowl LIII, hands down!

 

[Deamon]

And that's all the more reason why the Saints should be the odds-on-favorites to win Super Bowl LIII, hands down!

They are.

 

[Insein]

But Mahomes should still be MVP.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

They are.

I like the saints a lot. But I would still take the field against them. 

 

[JuniorNB]

Home field throughout plus a very familiar dome for the Super Bowl. They are absolutely the favorites. 

 

[Deamon]

I like the saints a lot. But I would still take the field against them. 

I don't think anyone would bet the SB favorite over the field any year.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I don't think anyone would bet the SB favorite over the field any year.

I was just responding to the phrase "odds on favorite" .

Odds on by definition means better than the field.

 

[Deamon]

I was just responding to the phrase "odds on favorite" .

Odds on by definition means better than the field.

It does?  I'd say Odds on favorite just means the team most likely to win.  Could be wrong though.

 

[menobrown]

They are  favorites  but the offense kind of sputtered a bit since the Dallas game and for sure think Mahomes should be the MVP.

 

[Insein]

It does?  I'd say Odds on favorite just means the team most likely to win.  Could be wrong though.

No he's right. If say NO was 51% favored to win and the field 49%, they'd be odds on favorites.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It does?  I'd say Odds on favorite just means the team most likely to win.  Could be wrong though.

Close, favorite means most likely (like saints), odds on means better than the field.

5-2 vs 4-5

 

[Steeler]

Drew Brees: he has been a more consistent passer year in, year out

The MVP is for this season so this isn't a very compelling argument.

 

[Yogibear]

The MVP is for this season so this isn't a very compelling argument.

Well, another reason Drew Brees should win MVP is because the Saints clinched home field advantage ONE WEEK BEFORE the Chiefs did.

 

[Insein]

Well, another reason Drew Brees should win MVP is because the Saints clinched home field advantage ONE WEEK BEFORE the Chiefs did.

That's a pretty terrible reason also. 

 

[Yogibear]

The point I'm trying to make is it'll be an absolute crime if the Saints don't win Super Bowl LIII and Drew Brees DOES NOT win MVP.  And I believe everyone in New Orleans can speak for that, and I'm not from New Orleans!

 

[DocHolliday]

Mahomes should win MVP and I hate the Chiefs.   

 

[fantasycurse42]

Nick Foles is the 2018 MVP.

He already won the Super Bowl this year, won 80% of the games he started this season, and brought his team back from the brink of elimination. 

Brees didn’t even play week 17, completely healthy and just sat. Meanwhile, BDN was completing the end of a dream regular season march from the brink of elimination.

It’ll be a shame if they don’t give Nick the MVP.

 

[ShamrockPride]

The point I'm trying to make is it'll be an absolute crime if the Saints don't win Super Bowl LIII and Drew Brees DOES NOT win MVP.  And I believe everyone in New Orleans can speak for that, and I'm not from New Orleans!

You don't say...

 

[fred_1_15301]

That's a pretty terrible reason also. 

Stinky bait

 

[flapgreen]

No

 

[flapgreen]

The point I'm trying to make is it'll be an absolute crime if the Saints don't win Super Bowl LIII and Drew Brees DOES NOT win MVP.  And I believe everyone in New Orleans can speak for that, and I'm not from New Orleans!

A crime if they don't win the Super Bowl?

 

[Yogibear]

It will DEFINITELY be a crime if Drew Brees doesn't win MVP, that's for sure.  Not saying the Saints are going to win the Super Bowl, but if Drew Brees IS NOT named MVP, then the Associated Press needs to have their heads examined.

 

[Shawnky]

Screw the MVP.  It's a Lombardi or bust.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Brees had an excellent year, it would be MVP-caliber most years. He and the Saints are SB favorites. He's had a HOF career. None of that means he should win the MVP over the most exciting young player in the league who just threw for 5,000/50 in spectacular fashion. It's not a lifetime achievement award, he doesn't deserve it more because he's getting old. He's been incredibly consistent, he has a great shot at it next year for sure. 

 

[Deamon]

The point I'm trying to make is it'll be an absolute crime if the Saints don't win Super Bowl LIII

Not saying the Saints are going to win the Super Bowl

 

[Yogibear]

Actually, to tell you the truth, the citizens of New Orleans can thank the Steelers for basically giving Drew Brees the MVP award two weeks ago, if anyone wants to look at it from another perspective.

 

[coyote5]

Weird thread.  I'm still waiting to hear what will happen if the Saints don't win the Super Bowl this year as teased in the thread title.  Click bait!

 

[Raging weasel]

.....they can try again next year.

 

[unckeyherb]

Nick Foles is the 2018 MVP.

He already won the Super Bowl this year, won 80% of the games he started this season, and brought his team back from the brink of elimination. 

Brees didn’t even play week 17, completely healthy and just sat. Meanwhile, BDN was completing the end of a dream regular season march from the brink of elimination.

It’ll be a shame if they don’t give Nick the MVP.

This guys gets it. 

 

[Yogibear]

It would be a crime if Foles doesn't win.  An absolute crime!

Me and the entire city of Philadelphia think that.  And I'm not from Philadelphia!

Wait until the Eagles land in Chicago on Sunday is all I've got to say about this.

 

[FF Ninja]

Brace yourself for no SB... like you said, they are better than the Saints team that won the Super Bowl, but that's the same reason they are unlikely to win this year. The best team rarely wins with 1 game playoffs. I think we all know the Saints weren't the best team in the NFL when they won the SB, but such is the nature of 1 game playoffs. Even if the best team in the NFL has a 75% chance of winning against other playoff caliber teams (75% is pretty generous), the odds of winning 3 games in a row against playoff caliber teams is 75%^3= 42%. But 42% is relatively great when you consider there are 12 teams competing. I'm just pointing out why the logic is flawed to think something along the lines of "this team is better than the SB team, so they really should win the SB this year."

 

[Dizzy]

I believe that the 2018 MVP will be Mahomes... Drew Brees may get enough sentimental consideration to win it.

I would be nervous about how they have played since the Dallas game. Seems like take out M. Thomas and the passing game has problems.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Weird thread.  I'm still waiting to hear what will happen if the Saints don't win the Super Bowl this year as teased in the thread title.  Click bait!

it'll be an absolute crime

 

[Interseptopus]

Weird thread.  I'm still waiting to hear what will happen if the Saints don't win the Super Bowl this year as teased in the thread title.  Click bait!

Fake News

 

[Shawnky]

I believe that the 2018 MVP will be Mahomes... Drew Brees may get enough sentimental consideration to win it.

I would be nervous about how they have played since the Dallas game. Seems like take out M. Thomas and the passing game has problems.

Like if you took out Hill or Kelce.

 

[devouredbychaos]

Brace yourself for no SB... like you said, they are better than the Saints team that won the Super Bowl, but that's the same reason they are unlikely to win this year. The best team rarely wins with 1 game playoffs. I think we all know the Saints weren't the best team in the NFL when they won the SB, but such is the nature of 1 game playoffs. Even if the best team in the NFL has a 75% chance of winning against other playoff caliber teams (75% is pretty generous), the odds of winning 3 games in a row against playoff caliber teams is 75%^3= 42%. But 42% is relatively great when you consider there are 12 teams competing. I'm just pointing out why the logic is flawed to think something along the lines of "this team is better than the SB team, so they really should win the SB this year."

Exactly what I came here to say. I mean, did anyone see the Patriots losing in 2007? I can see any of the remaining teams in the NFC or the AFC knocking off the Saints. You can be the best team all season long, but it means nothing in the playoffs. This has been proven many a time. 

 

[FF Ninja]

Exactly what I came here to say. I mean, did anyone see the Patriots losing in 2007? I can see any of the remaining teams in the NFC or the AFC knocking off the Saints. You can be the best team all season long, but it means nothing in the playoffs. This has been proven many a time. 

It's just that 1 game playoffs are inherently unjust. Very unfortunate that football is such a grueling sport that only 1 game can be played per week.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It's just that 1 game playoffs are inherently unjust. Very unfortunate that football is such a grueling sport that only 1 game can be played per week.

I feel the same way about ff. Spend over 10 weeks building a team to get knocked out in one bad week.

 

[IheartGuinness]

The bears are going to win the Super Bowl. 

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The bears are going to win the Super Bowl. 

Vegas paying around 8-1 right now. I can think of worse bets than going with a dominant defense.

 

[Dizzy]

Like if you took out Hill or Kelce.

Not so sure that's accurate, but we'll see I guess... maybe in the Super Bowl.

 

[Shawnky]

Not so sure that's accurate, but we'll see I guess... maybe in the Super Bowl.

Not following.  It's the same situation you presented involving Brees.

 

[flapgreen]

It will DEFINITELY be a crime if Drew Brees doesn't win MVP, that's for sure.  Not saying the Saints are going to win the Super Bowl, but if Drew Brees IS NOT named MVP, then the Associated Press needs to have their heads examined.

YOU should have your head examined. It's a close race. 

 

[flapgreen]

Vegas paying around 8-1 right now. I can think of worse bets than going with a dominant defense.

100-1 before the season. 

 

[Dizzy]

Not following.  It's the same situation you presented involving Brees.

I was referring to teams taking a dedicated bracket approach on Mike Thomas and forcing other receivers to beat them... seems like there is nobody to step up and consistently make plays out wide for NOS. KCC seems (to me) to either be much deeper at the position, or QB/scheme just better at getting them involved to keep the offense running efficiently.

 

[Shawnky]

I was referring to teams taking a dedicated bracket approach on Mike Thomas and forcing other receivers to beat them... seems like there is nobody to step up and consistently make plays out wide for NOS. KCC seems (to me) to either be much deeper at the position, or QB/scheme just better at getting them involved to keep the offense running efficiently.

Kamara.  It's no different than '09.  Who else was there other than Colston and Bush?  

 

[Dizzy]

Kamara.  It's no different than '09.  Who else was there other than Colston and Bush?  

OK, I'm not 'spainin' this well. In 2018, since the Dallas game, it looks - to me - like the Saints offense bogs down when M. Thomas is doubled/bracketed.

 

[DocHolliday]

The bears are going to win the Super Bowl. 

Wouldn't surprise me.  The Bears have a fantastic D and great running game. 

 

[joey]

I’m just happy Yogi Bear started a thread besides his annual NFL Network Top 100 Players thread.  

 

[-OZ-]

Nick Foles is the 2018 MVP.

He already won the Super Bowl this year, won 80% of the games he started this season, and brought his team back from the brink of elimination. 

Brees didn’t even play week 17, completely healthy and just sat. Meanwhile, BDN was completing the end of a dream regular season march from the brink of elimination.

It’ll be a shame if they don’t give Nick the MVP.

Foles is JAG.

unfortunately, I kind of mean that. I think he'll be the starter in Jacksonville next year and as a Titans fan I hate that.