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If you had to start a Dynasty team today with a WR (1 Viewer)

Please pick one WR

  • Andre Johnson WR Hou

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  • Larry Fitzgerald WR Ari

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  • Calvin Johnson WR Det

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  • Brandon Marshall WR Mia

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  • Dez Bryant WR Dal

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CaptainCrunch

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If you were starting a Dynasty team today and had to go with one WR- who would you chose? Assume 16 team league PPR league, start 2 WR and 1 Flex.

Andre Johnson - physical beast and producer, but may be the oldest of this group and Schaub is a bit fragile

Larry Fitzgerald - may be equally talented as Johnson but Leinart is a bit of an unknown and no Boldin now

Calvin Johnson- came back to earth last year with some nagging injuries, but Detroit looks to be on the upswing and added other weapons

Brandon Marshall- young, talented QB to gel with- will the change of scenario do him good- possible suspension risk

Dez Bryant- probably not, but the guy looks like an amazing talent, in a great situation, and is the youngest of this group

Who would you go with and why?

 
Calvin for me. I'm a believer in Stafford, I think he and Calvin will become one of the most dangerous duos in the league for a long time.

 
I voted Andre Johnson, but I rolled the dice with Calvin this year in a startup. I'm hoping with all the new weapons they have now that he stays healthy and grows with Stafford.

Funny...no votes for Dez even though he walks on water (I have him in one of my leagues as well).

 
I voted other: Vincent Jackson...but I couldn't fault anyone for taking a couple of those others, like Fitz.

 
I voted other: Vincent Jackson...but I couldn't fault anyone for taking a couple of those others, like Fitz.
Hmmm...darkhorse. He is never in the topic of discussion when talking about stud dynasty WRs. However, he is 6'5" and 200+ lbs and the #1 WR on his team...which happens to be a good team in a horribly weak division.
 
If your gonna put Dez up there you should include Crabtree.

CJ > Fitz > AJ > Marshall > Crabtree >>>> Dez

At least that is my top 5 rankings.

 
I loaded up on WRs a few years ago in my dynasty and am fortunate enough to have Fitz, AJ, and Calvin.

The only one I won't trade is Fitzgerald. He's just one of the most talented receivers I've ever seen, and he's actually performed better with Boldin out of the lineup in the past.

 
In a redraft league I would probably take Andre Johnson as the WR1 this year. I wouldn't take him there in dynasty though because he's nearing the dreaded 30 and his trade value will definitely suffer as a consequence. Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, and Chad Ochocinco are elite talents, but their trade value doesn't reflect it because they're 30+. That will be Andre soon. If all you want is production he might be the choice, but I think other options offer comparable production with a longer shelf life.

Calvin Johnson is one of the elite deep threats in the NFL because of his height and straight-line speed, but I think other aspects of his game are overrated. He's a lanky, loping runner with mediocre change of direction and functional strength. I don't consider him a great possession WR and for all of his athletic gifts, 17 WRs outscored him on a ppg basis last season. Some of the blame should fall on his supporting cast and his 2008 season proves that he's capable of elite numbers, but I'm not sure that he's quite as good as his reputation would indicate. Don't get me wrong, I don't have any problem with anyone ranking him as the dynasty WR1, but I think the legend of Calvin Johnson might exceed the reality (and now that I've said this he'll probably catch 100 balls for 1500 yards this year).

My pick would be Larry Fitzgerald because he combines the best aspects of Andre and Calvin from a value standpoint. He has the proven, consistent elite production of Andre to go along with the youth of Calvin (he's a couple years older than CJ, but a couple years younger than AJ). You can use him for the next several years and, if you're paranoid of rostering old players like me, you can still trade him a couple years down the road for top value.

Brandon Marshall would be my WR4 if not for his hip problems. I think Dez Bryant is an elite, can't-miss talent, but until he produces some results on the field I can't really justify ranking him higher than WR5-6 in dynasty leagues. The dark horse might be Michael Crabtree, whose college dominance and rookie production are eerily similar to that of Larry Fitzgerald. He's the anti-Calvin in some respects because his physical traits are middling, but his football intangibles are off the charts and he's exceptional in all of the subtle areas where I think Calvin's talents are overrated (quickness out of breaks, consistency, playing strength).

Anyhow, my answer is Fitz at WR1. I wouldn't really consider anyone else. Having said that, I think Dez Bryant might be the guy to own 2-3 years from now. I :blackdot: Dez.

 
Lol EBF good post.

Seems you convinced everyone to go with Fitz, and if I had the 5th pick in a startup dynasty I can honestly say I would be scrambling around trying to figure out who to take between CJ and Fitz. Its just sooooo close.

 
Be AJ for me and not really that close. As far as safety and production he's head and shoulders above anyone else. Imo he's the kind of talent who can play at an elite level until he's 34-35. How far are we going to look ahead in a dynasty cause thats 7 years.

 
Crabtree should be on the list. He's definitely on the rise. Bryant will be better than all of them however. Redo this poll next year and see the results.

 
JohnnyU said:
Crabtree should be on the list. He's definitely on the rise. Bryant will be better than all of them however. Redo this poll next year and see the results.
Until next offseason when you are touting Green, Floyd, Baldwin as the best.
 
JohnnyU said:
Crabtree should be on the list. He's definitely on the rise. Bryant will be better than all of them however. Redo this poll next year and see the results.
Until next offseason when you are touting Green, Floyd, Baldwin as the best.
:kicksrock: lolI find it interesting that after you bashed Crabtree for 6 months last season as the second coming of a booger stuck to a turd that you now like him. What happened? Any chance you somehow own him on a team, that's the only way I could see this 180 degree about face, correct me if i'm wrong.
 
JohnnyU said:
Crabtree should be on the list. He's definitely on the rise. Bryant will be better than all of them however. Redo this poll next year and see the results.
I agree,Not so sure about Dez he has Austin to take catches away. Crabtree and Marshall are on running teams but have little competition.
 
I'd pick Fitz here. As was stated earlier, he has the perfect blend of age, production and talent. There are long-term question marks at quarterback in Arizona, and it is reasonable to expect a step back with Warner no longer in town; but he has produced with lesser quarterbacks before (I believe there was a John Navarre/Jeff Blake duo before Warner arrived) and I expect him to keep on churning out Top 5 seasons.

There are plenty of viable options though...it really is the era of studly receivers.

 
If Dez makes the list it seems guys like Austin, Jackson & Rice should make it. I'd even take Nicks before him, I just couldn't start a team with a rookie.

 
JohnnyU said:
Crabtree should be on the list. He's definitely on the rise. Bryant will be better than all of them however. Redo this poll next year and see the results.
Until next offseason when you are touting Green, Floyd, Baldwin as the best.
:thumbup: lolI find it interesting that after you bashed Crabtree for 6 months last season as the second coming of a booger stuck to a turd that you now like him. What happened? Any chance you somehow own him on a team, that's the only way I could see this 180 degree about face, correct me if i'm wrong.
No, I just own him in one league, so I'm not going crazy for Crabtree. I'm in a wait and see mode with Crabs. I had concerns about the system he played in and his character. I feel a little better about his skills, but I have concerns about his character, as I do with Dez as well.
 
JohnnyU said:
Crabtree should be on the list. He's definitely on the rise. Bryant will be better than all of them however. Redo this poll next year and see the results.
Until next offseason when you are touting Green, Floyd, Baldwin as the best.
Coming from the rookie king himself. At least I have a title in HA1 since it's short inception :thumbup: All you've had is draft picks. Now I'm in rebuilding mode that should be complete after next year's draft. Having said that, your team should be pretty good this year after having all those draft picks the last 2 years.As for Green, Floyd, and Baldwin, I am very high on Green and Floyd, but Baldwin has off the field issues I'd rather stay away from. I'm sure Green, Floyd, and maybe Julio Jones will be pretty good too. That doesn't mean they will be better than Dez, or a couple of the WRs from last year's draft, but all reports say it will be a very good draft for WRs.

 
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Glad to see Dez falling by the wayside. He was only a few votes behind the top 3 when I voted. Anyone that would take an unproven rookie, at any position, #1 in a dynasty is a fool.

 
Glad to see Dez falling by the wayside. He was only a few votes behind the top 3 when I voted. Anyone that would take an unproven rookie, at any position, #1 in a dynasty is a fool.
Funny thing is he won't be an unproven rooooookie this time next yar. Who will be the fool then? :lmao:
 
Interesting to see the extreme love for Fitz.

I think his numbers will be down considerably what with Matt Leinart

and/or Derek Anderson now barking out the signals.

 
I voted other: Vincent Jackson...but I couldn't fault anyone for taking a couple of those others, like Fitz.
I passed up Fitzgerald for him. I like him that much now if he could only stop doing stupid things!I like Marshall #1 personally hopefully he stops doing stupid stuff as well since both are on my dynasty team!
 
I voted for Calvin, but it was close between him and Desean Jackson. My dynasty leagues are all score for return yardage, and Jackson easily finished as the #1 WR last year, and he is the youngest of the bunch.

 
I voted other: Vincent Jackson...but I couldn't fault anyone for taking a couple of those others, like Fitz.
Hmmm...darkhorse. He is never in the topic of discussion when talking about stud dynasty WRs. However, he is 6'5" and 200+ lbs and the #1 WR on his team...which happens to be a good team in a horribly weak division.
Whether he's in the discussion or not tends to depend on who you're discussing with.Anyway, anyone who's read the dynasty superthread in the past 2 days knows my feelings on the topic- it's Fitzgerald, and it's not really that close. Larry Fitzgerald just finished his 26-year-old season, while Brandon Marshall will be entering his 26-year-old season this year. Brandon Marshall could go for 3,000 yards and 30 TDs this season... and Larry Fitzgerald will *STILL* have scored more fantasy points than him through age 26. Only one other receiver in NFL history has had Fitzgerald's combination of youth (27), production (1,000 career fantasy points), and talent (4 pro bowls, two All Pros, and the greatest postseason in history)- and that receiver was Randy Moss. By the time Marvin Harrison had scored 1,000 fantasy points, he was THIRTY. Plus, he's a hard worker and a high-character guy (unlike a certain other young receiver who catches a lot of passes), and he has no major health concerns. If any receiver in the league today could keep producing to age 36 or 37, it's Fitzgerald.

 
In PPR Marshall enters the discussion, but I had to go with Fitz because of the hip, new team, and other uncertainty about Marshall. The only ? with Fitz is Leinart--and that could be a very big one. But AJ is the eldest of the group. Crabtree showed flashes but he doesn't strike me as a top 3 talent. Dez hasn't shown anything yet. Calvin has had enough time to show what he can do and he has one great year--that isn't WR1 worthy.

 
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Voted other - DeSean Jackson

Reason being - if I had to draft a WR as my first overall pick for a dynasty team, I'd like it to be a fairly young one with incredibly high upside on a team that is pass happy. Sidney Rice or Hakeem Nicks sort of fit into this mold also. I'd want this WR to be a lock on my team for at least 5-7 years....can't say that about the other WR's listed in the poll.

I just don't think Calvin is all that special, but I could be wrong. Fitz and Andre are getting older and I don't envision either of them being that studly for the next 5-7 years. 4 years ago they would have been my top two choices.

renesauz's choice of Vincent Jackson is interesting, but not one I'd make. Too much uncertainty surrounding him. This is more a condemnation of his on-field production rather than his off-field troubles, but those off-field issues play into the thought process for me.

Interesting poll, because to me, I'd rather draft a RB to start off a brand new dynasty team instead of a WR.

 
Voted other - DeSean Jackson

Reason being - if I had to draft a WR as my first overall pick for a dynasty team, I'd like it to be a fairly young one with incredibly high upside on a team that is pass happy. Sidney Rice or Hakeem Nicks sort of fit into this mold also. I'd want this WR to be a lock on my team for at least 5-7 years....can't say that about the other WR's listed in the poll.
Interesting. Considering that DeSean Jackson had to absolutely smash the NFL record for big plays just to be a top 5 WR last year, I would say he's one of the least likely to be a "lock" for the next 5-7 years. Assuming DeSean regresses on the big plays front (and as history has shown us with every player that has ever smashed a record, he will), he will have to seriously improve in every other aspect of his game to remain in that position.
 
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I'd go Andre, Calvin, then Larry to start a dynasty league. I think I'm partial to Andre just because of the freakish catches I've witnessed in real time (okay, almost real time, can't ignore tape delay on the broadcast). Obviously, there's equal highlights for Calvin and Larry...

Last year I would have said Larry, Andre, Calvin, but Fitzgerald saw a decline in yd/c last season and this season the QB situation is iffy. I'm hearing good things about Leinart, but we'll see...

And citing some fantasy scoring stats: Last year (based on standard scoring 10yds=1, TD=6) here were the points per game averages:

Andre: 12.81

Larry: 11.25

Calvin: 9.41

 
Voted other - DeSean Jackson

Reason being - if I had to draft a WR as my first overall pick for a dynasty team, I'd like it to be a fairly young one with incredibly high upside on a team that is pass happy. Sidney Rice or Hakeem Nicks sort of fit into this mold also. I'd want this WR to be a lock on my team for at least 5-7 years....can't say that about the other WR's listed in the poll.

I just don't think Calvin is all that special, but I could be wrong. Fitz and Andre are getting older and I don't envision either of them being that studly for the next 5-7 years. 4 years ago they would have been my top two choices.
Two questions for you:1) Would you still consider Sidney Rice in that mold if Brett Favre isn't on the team?

2) Do you really think Calvin isn't that special, or do you think impression results from the team he's on?

 
Voted other - DeSean Jackson

Reason being - if I had to draft a WR as my first overall pick for a dynasty team, I'd like it to be a fairly young one with incredibly high upside on a team that is pass happy. Sidney Rice or Hakeem Nicks sort of fit into this mold also. I'd want this WR to be a lock on my team for at least 5-7 years....can't say that about the other WR's listed in the poll.

I just don't think Calvin is all that special, but I could be wrong. Fitz and Andre are getting older and I don't envision either of them being that studly for the next 5-7 years. 4 years ago they would have been my top two choices.
Two questions for you:1) Would you still consider Sidney Rice in that mold if Brett Favre isn't on the team?

2) Do you really think Calvin isn't that special, or do you think impression results from the team he's on?
1) Honestly not sure at all, but I have this gut feeling that he will be special no matter who is tossing him the rock.2) Eh, I guess it has a little something to do with the team, but I've seen other WR's excel on poor teams.....Andre Johnson in Houston is one example. Like I stated, I could be wrong on Calvin but he hasn't shown me much to consider him as my top pick in a dynasty start-up.

 
Okay, new guy here that has never done a dynasty league but has an interest in such so trying to learn.

I voted for Dez Bryant and yes I know that at this point he is totally unproven and perhaps a total crapshoot BUT if the gamble were to payoff as to the hype could he possibly actually be one that could anchor a team for a long time?

Part of my reasons for making the pick I did over other previously proven receivers is he will be playing for the Cowboys and Jerry Jones is well known for spending the dollars to have quite a few weapons on the field at any given time. Miles Austin will be the one that pulls the double coverage and Whitten and Williams cannot be forgotten not to mention Felix Jones by the opposing defenses. Therefore as Bryant is in his learning curve in the NFL he likely will be facing the lesser backs in coverage at first anyway to increase the chances of having rookie upside.

Also have to take into consideration that although not the best but having a very solid Romo delivering the ball would have to be considered an upside as well. If Bryant and Romo were to develop a good chemistry between them wouldn't the possibility exist if all the hype about Bryants abilities pan out that we would be looking at a possible combination that would equal perhaps that of Romo and TO from a few years ago and that was great matchup to own part of a few years ago?

I do realize that that everything I have posted is nothing but unconfirmed speculation on what ifs but am I correct that an anchor for a dynasty team would be that over achieving player that week in and week out exceed expectations and does so for a number of years?

So rolling the dice on such expectations while risky at best could it not also if that gamble paid off end up being exactly what you could build a powerhouse team around for years to come?

Like I said trying to learn here.

 
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1) Honestly not sure at all, but I have this gut feeling that he will be special no matter who is tossing him the rock.2) Eh, I guess it has a little something to do with the team, but I've seen other WR's excel on poor teams.....Andre Johnson in Houston is one example. Like I stated, I could be wrong on Calvin but he hasn't shown me much to consider him as my top pick in a dynasty start-up.
I like both those answers. I watched a lot of Minnesota last year, and I definitely put Sidney Rice in that 'freak' category. Dude catches everything, especially when it counts. I barely knew his name before Favre came to town, but I believe that if anyone can put the ball in his direction, he would hold up his end of the bargain.My big problem with Calvin is that I don't trust him to stay healthy and I agree he wouldn't be my top pick either, but he still fits in the low end of the top tier of WR.
 
Okay, new guy here that has never done a dynasty league but has an interest in such so trying to learn.I voted for Dez Bryant and yes I know that at this point he is totally unproven and perhaps a total crapshoot BUT if the gamble were to payoff as to the hype could he possibly actually be one that could anchor a team for a long time?Part of my reasons for making the pick I did over other previously proven receivers is he will be playing for the Cowboys and Jerry Jones is well known for spending the dollars to have quite a few weapons on the field at any given time. Miles Austin will be the one that pulls the double coverage and Whitten and Williams cannot be forgotten not to mention Felix Jones by the opposing defenses. Therefore as Bryant is in his learning curve in the NFL he likely will be facing the lesser backs in coverage at first anyway to increase the chances of having rookie upside.Also have to take into consideration that although not the best but having a very solid Romo delivering the ball would have to be considered an upside as well. If Bryant and Romo were to develop a good chemistry between them wouldn't the possibility exist if all the hype about Bryants abilities pan out that we would be looking at a possible combination that would equal perhaps that of Romo and TO from a few years ago and that was great matchup to own part of a few years ago?I do realize that that everything I have posted is nothing but unconfirmed speculation on what ifs but am I correct that an anchor for a dynasty team would be that over achieving player that week in and week out exceed expectations and does so for a number of years?So rolling the dice on such expectations while risky at best could it not also if that gamble paid off end up being exactly what you could build a powerhouse team around for years to come?Like I said trying to learn here.
Welcome to Footballguys. There are couple things in play, imo. There is the value segment. Even if you think Dez will be the top fantasy WR by 2011, a WR like Calvin or Fitz is worth more. So, you could move Calvin/Fitz for Dez and a whole lot more. The other component for me is the expected production. Many use differing "windows" of time to determine value. What I mean by that is some owners look only a couple years down the road while others look five or six years away (esp with WRs). This "window" is why many choose Calvin or Fitz over Andre Johnson or even an older guy like Wayne. A stud young WR is a player that can anchor your dynasty team (esp in PPR leagues) for many years. I like Dez and think he can be a stud WR for many years. If you like him a ton, this might be the time to buy before he gets to the level you think he will attain.
 
I ruled out Bryant just because he has.t proven a thing yet and couldn;t pick him over proven star WRs. Being the youngest though he coukd have the most upside.

Andre Johnson is the oldest but of the remaining players has the best presnt QB situation IMO. However, If I'm looking at a six year window, at age 29 this season I'm going to rule Johnson out though ironically I rate him the WR that gives me the best chance to win this year and probably next year too.

Marshall is age 26 this year. I rule him out as he has uncertainty at QB but mostly because of the knucklehead factor. The other WRs have much less risk. Will changing his environment result in changing his spots?

Calvin is at age 25 this season and has the most physical talent IMO but has had the most injuries. PLaying on some of the worst teams in NFL history has restricted his production. The Lions to me appear headed in the right direction. There is uncertainty and inexperience at QB but I believe in Stafford and see him developing into a top QB. Johnson is probably a year away from top shelf production as Detroit needs more OL and further QB improvement.

Fitz will be at age 27 this season and gives you the best blend of proven production and youth and would be my pick followed by Andre Johnson and then Calvin.

A troubled spot though is that I think Leinart isn't ll that. good and Derek Anderson has proven he is inaccurate as the backup QB.

 
1) Honestly not sure at all, but I have this gut feeling that he will be special no matter who is tossing him the rock.

2) Eh, I guess it has a little something to do with the team, but I've seen other WR's excel on poor teams.....Andre Johnson in Houston is one example. Like I stated, I could be wrong on Calvin but he hasn't shown me much to consider him as my top pick in a dynasty start-up.
I like both those answers. I watched a lot of Minnesota last year, and I definitely put Sidney Rice in that 'freak' category. Dude catches everything, especially when it counts. I barely knew his name before Favre came to town, but I believe that if anyone can put the ball in his direction, he would hold up his end of the bargain.My big problem with Calvin is that I don't trust him to stay healthy and I agree he wouldn't be my top pick either, but he still fits in the low end of the top tier of WR.
I totally agree with this statement......and, I agree because I absolutely do recognize the talent that is Calvin Johnson. I certainly wouldn't kick him to the curb if I owned him on any of my fantasy teams. The potential to produce big-time is sitting right there.
 
Okay, new guy here that has never done a dynasty league but has an interest in such so trying to learn.I voted for Dez Bryant and yes I know that at this point he is totally unproven and perhaps a total crapshoot BUT if the gamble were to payoff as to the hype could he possibly actually be one that could anchor a team for a long time?Part of my reasons for making the pick I did over other previously proven receivers is he will be playing for the Cowboys and Jerry Jones is well known for spending the dollars to have quite a few weapons on the field at any given time. Miles Austin will be the one that pulls the double coverage and Whitten and Williams cannot be forgotten not to mention Felix Jones by the opposing defenses. Therefore as Bryant is in his learning curve in the NFL he likely will be facing the lesser backs in coverage at first anyway to increase the chances of having rookie upside.Also have to take into consideration that although not the best but having a very solid Romo delivering the ball would have to be considered an upside as well. If Bryant and Romo were to develop a good chemistry between them wouldn't the possibility exist if all the hype about Bryants abilities pan out that we would be looking at a possible combination that would equal perhaps that of Romo and TO from a few years ago and that was great matchup to own part of a few years ago?I do realize that that everything I have posted is nothing but unconfirmed speculation on what ifs but am I correct that an anchor for a dynasty team would be that over achieving player that week in and week out exceed expectations and does so for a number of years?So rolling the dice on such expectations while risky at best could it not also if that gamble paid off end up being exactly what you could build a powerhouse team around for years to come?Like I said trying to learn here.
Welcome to Footballguys. There are couple things in play, imo. There is the value segment. Even if you think Dez will be the top fantasy WR by 2011, a WR like Calvin or Fitz is worth more. So, you could move Calvin/Fitz for Dez and a whole lot more. The other component for me is the expected production. Many use differing "windows" of time to determine value. What I mean by that is some owners look only a couple years down the road while others look five or six years away (esp with WRs). This "window" is why many choose Calvin or Fitz over Andre Johnson or even an older guy like Wayne. A stud young WR is a player that can anchor your dynasty team (esp in PPR leagues) for many years. I like Dez and think he can be a stud WR for many years. If you like him a ton, this might be the time to buy before he gets to the level you think he will attain.
I would like to get into a dynasty league but need to learn a lot more about the format, I like the idea of building and retaining a team over a long time frame. At what I know about the format now I probably would pull the trigger on Dez even though I know that his production this year would not be on par with the current elites. Even though it is a gamble with his abilities I think it will be likely or possible by next year he will be putting up top 10 numbers at least.One thing that makes me lean this way is the surrounding cast of team members, with other Cowboy receivers being a legit threat it will be hard for opposing defenses to totally concetrate on shutting down one aspect of the receiving corps. I also like the fact that Romo is in the top 5 or so as far as an elite QB and this tandem should be together for many years to come.Fitz this year with Bolden being gone taking away some of the defensive pressure and with Warner retiring I would think if anything would see a possible regression in his numbers, not because he is not as good but the supporting staff around him is not as good. CJ, well I am just not sold on his current situation and supporting cast may ever develop to the level to open up the same potentials as Dez has surrounding him in Dallas.Maybe I am looking at this wrong but yes I am drinking the Dez kool-aid! Thanks for the welcome as well!
 
Surely this poll is on the assumption that you can only get these guys in the 1st/early 2nd round of drafts. You could potentially draft Fitz and then get Dez later, Dez shouldn't be on this poll.

 

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