"If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, its yo (2 Viewers)

[Ray Karpis]

Pics in the hotel room or no one is buying it.

I'm not buying this latest update anyway. Seems too forced. Or maybe I've lost the ability to suspend disbelief.

I agree, but just on the off-chance...pics would be nice.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

So...EvilGrin...any plans for 16 when he gets Coralyssa alone in a hotel room?

Here's what you do.1) Begin texting her a lot. Abandon all dignity. "I'm so sorry, I was confused and not sure how to respond to you." "I'll do ANYTHING you want to spend more time with you. Just hurry back." Anything - whatever gets her to see you again after she's done with PT. CHECK. Dignity abandoned.

2) Get an STD test done while she's gone. You'll need a clean bill of health to show her when she gets back. Not necessary, I guess.

3) When she returns, invite her over and tell her that you had a lot of time to soul-search and you now realize that most of what went down was your own fault. Vow to be a better boyfriend. Tell her you want to marry her and make her happy for the rest of her life if she wants, but that she can have all the time she needs. Be shameless. Also not necessary

4) When you've sufficiently convinced her that you'll be her life-long doormat, commence seduction. Get to the physical act of love. Use a condom that you've pre-swabbed with just a bit of menthol rub. Right as your humping is about to reach its crescendo, unleash the beast, remove your jimmy hat, and project your bliss in her hair. As she recoils, attempting to process this turn of events, grab all her clothes, run to the front door, and fire them out on to the lawn. Follow steps 4-5 as detailed.

5) Return to her, strap a pair of boxers on and exclaim, in your best Andrew "Dice" Clay voice...

"NOW GET THE F### OUT OF HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Send her out on to the front lawn nude with a head full of your conditioner. A gentle kick in the tuchus on her way out the door will serve as a punctuation mark. Right before you slam the door, tell her that the VD test results were a fake and that you've been banging hookers and the dog. In fact, tell her you poked the dog right before her and didn't wash up in between. Have at least that one picture I recommended where it appears as if you're railing your furry friend and text that to her about an hour after you kick her out.

Results :

You finally and permanently gain hand in the post break-up relationship.

You will become an absolute legend both here and among your RL friends.

You will regain all your dignity and self-confidence.

You will assure Alyssa will never talk to you again, so you don't have to avoid her.

You get one last bout of sex with her.

She'll think she has some weird Hawaiian or canine VD for weeks afterward. The menthol on the rubber will add a decidedly visceral component to this fear.

There's no downside. She's walked on you long enough. It's time to become the darkest chapter in her diary.

Replace "front lawn" with "hallway" and the rest is pretty much the same. Except maybe the part about ####ing the dog, that part might be in poor taste now. However, if you do want to go for maximum depravity, you can leave that part in.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I see our boy is back to paying hookers.

 

[Ray Karpis]

In fact, tell her you poked the dog right before her and didn't wash up in between.

You sick, sick *******.

 

[The Z Machine]

You're a GD fool.

I actually think he did okay. He was assertive, and seems like he is actually in a decent place for a hate-bang of his ex. I think it could be therapeautic for him.

You're a GD fool too.

 

[McGarnicle]

Make sure you check her box for razor blades first.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Way to make a woman have reluctant consensual sex with you thanks to guilt and emotional manipulation! You two are on the fast track to marriage.

Sorry but this latest turn disgusts me. I mean...you've gone down some dirty roads before but it's mostly been crappy breakups and perverted adventures in becoming a whore. Aka typical 20-something stuff.

Alyssa clearly has some issues. Perhaps she has Borderline Personality Disorder (sounds crazy enough). Maybe she's just really immature and needy. Whatever her problem, it's clear she does not want anything to do with you physically at this time. Yet you're forcing her to #### you just so you'll continue to talk to you? Do not go down this road. I'm no fan of her or her actions. She's done a lot of crappy stuff to you and deserves plenty of heartache. And you deserve better. You had a lot of hurt and still love her. I get it. But you're starting to take this revenge manipulation too far. Taking her to some crappy hotel for a mid-day screw just so you won't tell her to go away is a revolting move. I really, really, REALLY hope you reconsider.

If you will at some point rebuild things with her you won't want this to be how it's done. And if you do move on (as you should), don't let this become a memory you'll regret (or worse, one you'll enjoy). You've treated her like crap long enough. Further piling on won't make the hurt go away.

 

[McGarnicle]

Way to make a woman have reluctant consensual sex with you thanks to guilt and emotional manipulation! You two are on the fast track to marriage.

Sorry but this latest turn disgusts me. I mean...you've gone down some dirty roads before but it's mostly been crappy breakups and perverted adventures in becoming a whore. Aka typical 20-something stuff.

Alyssa clearly has some issues. Perhaps she has Borderline Personality Disorder (sounds crazy enough). Maybe she's just really immature and needy. Whatever her problem, it's clear she does not want anything to do with you physically at this time. Yet you're forcing her to #### you just so you'll continue to talk to you? Do not go down this road. I'm no fan of her or her actions. She's done a lot of crappy stuff to you and deserves plenty of heartache. And you deserve better. You had a lot of hurt and still love her. I get it. But you're starting to take this revenge manipulation too far. Taking her to some crappy hotel for a mid-day screw just so you won't tell her to go away is a revolting move. I really, really, REALLY hope you reconsider.

If you will at some point rebuild things with her you won't want this to be how it's done. And if you do move on (as you should), don't let this become a memory you'll regret (or worse, one you'll enjoy). You've treated her like crap long enough. Further piling on won't make the hurt go away.

21:00 = 9:00PM

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Way to make a woman have reluctant consensual sex with you thanks to guilt and emotional manipulation! You two are on the fast track to marriage.

Sorry but this latest turn disgusts me. I mean...you've gone down some dirty roads before but it's mostly been crappy breakups and perverted adventures in becoming a whore. Aka typical 20-something stuff.

Alyssa clearly has some issues. Perhaps she has Borderline Personality Disorder (sounds crazy enough). Maybe she's just really immature and needy. Whatever her problem, it's clear she does not want anything to do with you physically at this time. Yet you're forcing her to #### you just so you'll continue to talk to you? Do not go down this road. I'm no fan of her or her actions. She's done a lot of crappy stuff to you and deserves plenty of heartache. And you deserve better. You had a lot of hurt and still love her. I get it. But you're starting to take this revenge manipulation too far. Taking her to some crappy hotel for a mid-day screw just so you won't tell her to go away is a revolting move. I really, really, REALLY hope you reconsider.

If you will at some point rebuild things with her you won't want this to be how it's done. And if you do move on (as you should), don't let this become a memory you'll regret (or worse, one you'll enjoy). You've treated her like crap long enough. Further piling on won't make the hurt go away.

21:00 = 9:00PM

Damn military time. Point still stands. Do not take the manipulation to the level of forcing a woman to #### you simply because she's too scared/insecure to have you leave.

 

[McGarnicle]

Way to make a woman have reluctant consensual sex with you thanks to guilt and emotional manipulation! You two are on the fast track to marriage.

Sorry but this latest turn disgusts me. I mean...you've gone down some dirty roads before but it's mostly been crappy breakups and perverted adventures in becoming a whore. Aka typical 20-something stuff.

Alyssa clearly has some issues. Perhaps she has Borderline Personality Disorder (sounds crazy enough). Maybe she's just really immature and needy. Whatever her problem, it's clear she does not want anything to do with you physically at this time. Yet you're forcing her to #### you just so you'll continue to talk to you? Do not go down this road. I'm no fan of her or her actions. She's done a lot of crappy stuff to you and deserves plenty of heartache. And you deserve better. You had a lot of hurt and still love her. I get it. But you're starting to take this revenge manipulation too far. Taking her to some crappy hotel for a mid-day screw just so you won't tell her to go away is a revolting move. I really, really, REALLY hope you reconsider.

If you will at some point rebuild things with her you won't want this to be how it's done. And if you do move on (as you should), don't let this become a memory you'll regret (or worse, one you'll enjoy). You've treated her like crap long enough. Further piling on won't make the hurt go away.

21:00 = 9:00PM

Damn military time. Point still stands. Do not take the manipulation to the level of forcing a woman to #### you simply because she's too scared/insecure to have you leave.

I agree it's a stupid move on many levels. I don't understand it, then again I wouldn't tolerate a woman calling/texting me repeatedly either. I think professional help could benefit both of them.

 

[Zow]

Respectfully disagree, Dr. A. He's not making her do anything. She's trying to use him to him to fill an emotional void, he's merely saying she can do that if she fills his sexual void.

I'm thinking the emotion-less banging will be good for him because they'll both see each other in a different light and can then move on.

 

[Gr00vus]

Respectfully disagree, Dr. A. He's not making her do anything. She's trying to use him to him to fill an emotional void, he's merely saying she can do that if she fills his sexual void.

I'm thinking the emotion-less banging will be good for him because they'll both see each other in a different light and can then move on.

Here's an even better idea - never have anything to do with her again and move on. He just broke his maiden on scoring a non-busted, non-contraband-dealing, not-for-pay sexisode and you're telling him to go back with the chick who cheated on him to get closure? Idiot.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Way to make a woman have reluctant consensual sex with you thanks to guilt and emotional manipulation! You two are on the fast track to marriage. Sorry but this latest turn disgusts me. I mean...you've gone down some dirty roads before but it's mostly been crappy breakups and perverted adventures in becoming a whore. Aka typical 20-something stuff. Alyssa clearly has some issues. Perhaps she has Borderline Personality Disorder (sounds crazy enough). Maybe she's just really immature and needy. Whatever her problem, it's clear she does not want anything to do with you physically at this time. Yet you're forcing her to #### you just so you'll continue to talk to you? Do not go down this road. I'm no fan of her or her actions. She's done a lot of crappy stuff to you and deserves plenty of heartache. And you deserve better. You had a lot of hurt and still love her. I get it. But you're starting to take this revenge manipulation too far. Taking her to some crappy hotel for a mid-day screw just so you won't tell her to go away is a revolting move. I really, really, REALLY hope you reconsider. If you will at some point rebuild things with her you won't want this to be how it's done. And if you do move on (as you should), don't let this become a memory you'll regret (or worse, one you'll enjoy). You've treated her like crap long enough. Further piling on won't make the hurt go away.

I gotta agree with this.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Stayed at work a little longer than expected and traffic is just brutal at this time, so I'm a little pressed for time. Hopefully I can catch you guys up on everything.The last time you guys heard about Alyssa was last week after the dog died and we dropped off the body. We parted ways at the vet's office and that was that. Well.... starting that night I started receiving texts from her about missing the dog, feeling sad, etc. I didn't answer any because I didn't want to be her shoulder to cry on. However, that didn't last very long sadly. The day after I was canceled from work and left home alone because everyone had gone to work. I'm not used to being home alone and with the dog death still weighing on me I cracked. Alyssa had been texting me that morning about being unable to sleep and crying uncontrollably. I didn't want to be alone and I knew how hard she would take all of this so I texted her: "I'll pick you up at 1300 and we'll go for a hike." She replied... "OK."I picked her up and we went hiking and afterwards treated ourselves to a happy hour. During our time together, I purposely kept our interactions platonic. I didn't reach for her hand, hold her waist, etc. I was friendly, but distant. In my mind I just wanted someone there to grieve with. After we ate I dropped her off at her place and with the car still running she turned to me and just said, "Thank you." She stepped out of the car and left the car without looking back. She didn't reach over to give me a hug, a kiss, or anything like that. At that moment I realized, that she couldn't/didn't want to give me any physical support/connection. So I just said "Bye" and just drove away. I knew she would probably text me later that night so I wanted her to understand that that was the last time I would be her shoulder to cry on. Just like I expected she texted me saying how she was thankful for what I did but that she was still sad and crying. I sent her a text back that read:"You're welcome. I know this is tough but you'll get through this. Just rely on your friends, family, and boyfriend. Today showed you can't give me the physical attention I deserve and I'm not just going to be the shoulder your cry on when things go bad. That's what you're boyfriend is supposed to do. So take care Alyssa. Good bye."After that she sent some message about understanding my position, thanking me, and telling me how great a guy I was. I ignored it and didn't reply... and I didn't reply for the following two days when she kept bombarding me with messages about how she wanted to work things out, but just couldn't stop imagining all the dirty stuff I had been doing with all the girls I had been banging while we were apart. There was even a period where she called 25 times in a day, but I ignored her and just continued living my life. I had tasted the success of hooking up in Vegas and I knew there were plenty of women that would be attracted to me and what I had to offer. Eventually it stopped and there was no contact from her until last night when she texted:"Can we please just meet each other one more time to say goodbye? If I had know that was the last time I would see you I would have given you a hug. I just want to hug you one more time."I ignored that message, but then it was followed by a couple more messages requesting we meet to end things on "good terms."Eventually, I fired back the text..."I'll only meet you if you agree that our last hug will be the morning after we spend the night together in a hotel."At first she was reluctant and demanded that we just have dinner. I stood firm and said I couldn't just say good bye in public because there were things that I needed to say in private and with her undivided attention. "But what do I tell PT?" she asked."Why do you have to tell him anything?" I sent back to her.She didn't reply for the longest time, but the pace and the exchanges I knew she wanted to meet. One thing I have learned since being single is to be assertive with women and that they respond when you TELL them what to do...so I texted her:"I'll pick you up tomorrow at 2100 after work. We'll have dinner and then check into a hotel room nearby." She instantly replies: "K"And that's where I'm at right now. Not sure what's gonna happen or why I even agreed to see her again, but I'm prepared for this to be the final "good bye".

Now you're just pandering to your readers.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Respectfully disagree, Dr. A. He's not making her do anything. She's trying to use him to him to fill an emotional void, he's merely saying she can do that if she fills his sexual void.

I'm thinking the emotion-less banging will be good for him because they'll both see each other in a different light and can then move on.

Woz, you're a nice guy but over the years (here and :e:lsewhere) you have shown yourself to be a real sick ******* when it comes to handling women. Even on a board chock full of chauvinistic knuckleheads and immature, perverted sob's you stand out as being particularly clueless and deranged. It's a fascinating combination. Heaven forbid should I ever have a daughter but you are not the kind of man I would ever want her to date and you are probably the last person on this board whose dating advice anyone should take. Kudos to you for finding women that are into your scene but if the stories you've shared are accurate you have absolutely no clue how to handle and treat most women. It wouldn't be emotionless sex. Maybe it would be for one of them. Though I doubt that. But whatever. Folks regularly have sex they later regret. No big deal if they both want it. But this girl has issues. At one point we thought she was a manipulative skank. She still is but she's also become a slightly sympathetic figure. Anyone who is going through the ringer like she and coming back for more has issues. The girl isn't right in the head. Whether that's from a lack of maturity/experience or because she has some emotional demons isn't something we can know. But that girl ain't right.

It IS forcing her to have sex. She clearly has major problems. This isn't grabbing some drunken barfly with daddy issues. This girl doesn't even want to touch #16's hand but because of her issues she can't/won't stop chatting with him. And she's willing to spread her legs just so he'll continue to respond to 1 out of 10 of her texts?

#16 should have cut ties long ago. But he didn't. He continued to fight for her. Dumb but understandable. Then he kind of got her. She's continued to bang the Cruiser while carrying on with our hero. Maybe if she had cut ties completely with him and took things slowly with Mr. Crackin' it would be justified. She's definitely manipulated 16 but this latest move is imo a step too far. Either have the balls to end it once and for all or have the balls to accept what you are and let her wear the pants/boss you around. Forcing her into sex with you is extraordinarily creepy and gross.

If he goes through with it it'll be by far the most reprehensible thing he's done yet. It's a horrifyingly bad decision for oh so many reasons. The fact you think it's a good idea absolutely confirms the fact this is an awful decision and completely despicable.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

I think I agree with Dr. A.

 

[jwp]

Why should 16 or anybody feel sorry for her?

 

[Zow]

Respectfully disagree, Dr. A. He's not making her do anything. She's trying to use him to him to fill an emotional void, he's merely saying she can do that if she fills his sexual void.

I'm thinking the emotion-less banging will be good for him because they'll both see each other in a different light and can then move on.

Woz, you're a nice guy but over the years (here and :e:lsewhere) you have shown yourself to be a real sick ******* when it comes to handling women. Even on a board chock full of chauvinistic knuckleheads and immature, perverted sob's you stand out as being particularly clueless and deranged. It's a fascinating combination. Heaven forbid should I ever have a daughter but you are not the kind of man I would ever want her to date and you are probably the last person on this board whose dating advice anyone should take. Kudos to you for finding women that are into your scene but if the stories you've shared are accurate you have absolutely no clue how to handle and treat most women. It wouldn't be emotionless sex. Maybe it would be for one of them. Though I doubt that. But whatever. Folks regularly have sex they later regret. No big deal if they both want it. But this girl has issues. At one point we thought she was a manipulative skank. She still is but she's also become a slightly sympathetic figure. Anyone who is going through the ringer like she and coming back for more has issues. The girl isn't right in the head. Whether that's from a lack of maturity/experience or because she has some emotional demons isn't something we can know. But that girl ain't right.

It IS forcing her to have sex. She clearly has major problems. This isn't grabbing some drunken barfly with daddy issues. This girl doesn't even want to touch #16's hand but because of her issues she can't/won't stop chatting with him. And she's willing to spread her legs just so he'll continue to respond to 1 out of 10 of her texts?

#16 should have cut ties long ago. But he didn't. He continued to fight for her. Dumb but understandable. Then he kind of got her. She's continued to bang the Cruiser while carrying on with our hero. Maybe if she had cut ties completely with him and took things slowly with Mr. Crackin' it would be justified. She's definitely manipulated 16 but this latest move is imo a step too far. Either have the balls to end it once and for all or have the balls to accept what you are and let her wear the pants/boss you around. Forcing her into sex with you is extraordinarily creepy and gross.

If he goes through with it it'll be by far the most reprehensible thing he's done yet. It's a horrifyingly bad decision for oh so many reasons. The fact you think it's a good idea absolutely confirms the fact this is an awful decision and completely despicable.

Those being?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

It's a horrifyingly bad decision for oh so many reasons.

Those being?

The main one being he's emotionally manipulating some mentally unbalanced girl into having sex with him when she CLEARLY does not want to. I cannot imagine how you could look yourself in the mirror the next morning. That is a big enough reason I shouldn't need to list any others. But since you insist, away we go.

No way that would be emotionless sex. Not buying it. He'd get re-attached. Or she'd be stuck on him harder than she currently is while he wants to move on. Maybe she tells folks they had this forced sex and his friends/family never quite look at him the same way. They end up getting back together with that awkward cloud hanging over their heads. She gets pregnant. He gets an std. Maybe they get another dog when he just got rid of the last one. Bottom line, it would drag out a chapter of his life that has gone on entirely too long. While that's great for our entertainment it's a TERRIBLE real life decision.

There is the smallest of benefits that come from this and numerous pitfalls to this maneuver. If you're so pathetically hopeless and desperate for sex you might take what you can get. #16 has options. Hold yourself to a higher standard. Take the slightly higher road and avoid being disgusted by what you see in the mirror. He makes solid money and is a nice guy. He has other options. He needs to exercise them. Not get dragged back into this quagmire.

 

[Zow]

oh ok

 

[DrJ]

It's a horrifyingly bad decision for oh so many reasons.

Those being?

The main one being he's emotionally manipulating some mentally unbalanced girl into having sex with him when she CLEARLY does not want to. I cannot imagine how you could look yourself in the mirror the next morning. That is a big enough reason I shouldn't need to list any others. But since you insist, away we go.

No way that would be emotionless sex. Not buying it. He'd get re-attached. Or she'd be stuck on him harder than she currently is while he wants to move on. Maybe she tells folks they had this forced sex and his friends/family never quite look at him the same way. They end up getting back together with that awkward cloud hanging over their heads. She gets pregnant. He gets an std. Maybe they get another dog when he just got rid of the last one. Bottom line, it would drag out a chapter of his life that has gone on entirely too long. While that's great for our entertainment it's a TERRIBLE real life decision.

There is the smallest of benefits that come from this and numerous pitfalls to this maneuver. If you're so pathetically hopeless and desperate for sex you might take what you can get. #16 has options. Hold yourself to a higher standard. Take the slightly higher road and avoid being disgusted by what you see in the mirror. He makes solid money and is a nice guy. He has other options. He needs to exercise them. Not get dragged back into this quagmire.

You're reading way too much into this.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If this was happening in real life, I would agree with Dr. Awesome. But since this is actually happening inside the literary imagination of No 16, who still gets very high marks from me based on the overall quality of work in this thread, I'm willing to roll with it.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

This is like a white trash soap opera.

 

[Samuel L Bronkowitz]

Oh dear. I don't even know where to begin, but Dr A caught most of it. A grudge #### is fine but the way you're going about it.....just reeks of 'bad idea jeans'.

 

[Henry Ford]

Respectfully disagree, Dr. A. He's not making her do anything. She's trying to use him to him to fill an emotional void, he's merely saying she can do that if she fills his sexual void.

I'm thinking the emotion-less banging will be good for him because they'll both see each other in a different light and can then move on.

Before you decide if you support it you should decide whether it's a hate #### or emotionless banging.

 

[xulf]

She wont bang him. She will start crying before it happens. You cant bang a crying chick.

 

[Henry Ford]

She wont bang him. She will start crying before it happens. You cant bang a crying chick.

Are you really putting your money on 16 not being able to have sex with her while she's crying?

 

[identikit]

This is like a white trash soap opera.

With subtitles.

 

[Bill Brasky]

This is like a white trash soap opera.

yellow trash?

 

[Controller]

I just saw a young lass in Starbucks this morning - she had a nice tan, and was wearing a coral dress/outfit thing that was quite attractive. Maybe 16 is on to something here...

 

[sbonomo]

This is like a white trash soap opera.

yellow trash?

 

[cstu]

as Positive K once said, what's her man got to do with him?

Wow, a Postive K reference. Well done.

 

[cstu]

So.... slightly less than one week. That's how long you can live without the FFA's attention. Totally healthy.

Sit back and enjoy the show or get out of the way already.

Some people on here are actually interested in living vicariously through this guy? 108 pages and a few nekkid photos. A lot of desperate souls around here.

You don't know the half of it...

 

[cstu]

Respectfully disagree, Dr. A. He's not making her do anything. She's trying to use him to him to fill an emotional void, he's merely saying she can do that if she fills his sexual void.

I'm thinking the emotion-less banging will be good for him because they'll both see each other in a different light and can then move on.

Woz, you're a nice guy but over the years (here and :e:lsewhere) you have shown yourself to be a real sick ******* when it comes to handling women. Even on a board chock full of chauvinistic knuckleheads and immature, perverted sob's you stand out as being particularly clueless and deranged. It's a fascinating combination. Heaven forbid should I ever have a daughter but you are not the kind of man I would ever want her to date and you are probably the last person on this board whose dating advice anyone should take. Kudos to you for finding women that are into your scene but if the stories you've shared are accurate you have absolutely no clue how to handle and treat most women. It wouldn't be emotionless sex. Maybe it would be for one of them. Though I doubt that. But whatever. Folks regularly have sex they later regret. No big deal if they both want it. But this girl has issues. At one point we thought she was a manipulative skank. She still is but she's also become a slightly sympathetic figure. Anyone who is going through the ringer like she and coming back for more has issues. The girl isn't right in the head. Whether that's from a lack of maturity/experience or because she has some emotional demons isn't something we can know. But that girl ain't right.

It IS forcing her to have sex. She clearly has major problems. This isn't grabbing some drunken barfly with daddy issues. This girl doesn't even want to touch #16's hand but because of her issues she can't/won't stop chatting with him. And she's willing to spread her legs just so he'll continue to respond to 1 out of 10 of her texts?

#16 should have cut ties long ago. But he didn't. He continued to fight for her. Dumb but understandable. Then he kind of got her. She's continued to bang the Cruiser while carrying on with our hero. Maybe if she had cut ties completely with him and took things slowly with Mr. Crackin' it would be justified. She's definitely manipulated 16 but this latest move is imo a step too far. Either have the balls to end it once and for all or have the balls to accept what you are and let her wear the pants/boss you around. Forcing her into sex with you is extraordinarily creepy and gross.

If he goes through with it it'll be by far the most reprehensible thing he's done yet. It's a horrifyingly bad decision for oh so many reasons. The fact you think it's a good idea absolutely confirms the fact this is an awful decision and completely despicable.

It isn't forcing her to have sex - this is her way of manipulating him into staying on her string. She obviously isn't physically attracted to him anymore but she still wants to have a hold on him. So what if she decides to #### a guy again who she's probably done 1000 times if it means she's keeps him on the leash.Sincerely,

Been there, done that

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I was hoping this was bumped with an update of how the hotel room thing played out.

 

[Tick]

Screw that. You're out somewhere and a girl is flirting and acting single, she's single. Maybe she's having issues in her relationship, maybe he's a loser or cheated on her already, I really don't care. I'm trying to get laid. If she's committed to someone, that's between her and her conscience and the other dude. Now if she's wearing a ring, that's a whole other story.

meh, what happens in vegas stays in vegas. not like they were going to continue hooking up afterwards.

Never blame the other dude. It's your girl who's cheating.

If he didnt someone else would have. Girl was obviously looking to party.

These are all basically the same comment so I'll just reply to them all at once.Regardless of how you rationalize it, 16 is helping someone do exactly what was done to him and it's wrong. Outside of instances where you're defending yourself or others, knowingly doing something that could hurt another individual is wrong and there's no exception to that. Now I know women are going to cheat and men are going to be happy to help them do so but that doesn't make it right or even OK. It's even worse considering why this thread was created in the first place and how much pain he clearly went, and is still going, through.##### move 16.

My point is that there's no reason to get mad at the other guy, not that the other guy is right. If a friend or acquaintance of mine is boning some married woman, I lose a lot of respect for the person... but I'm not mad at him, just disappointed. That's how dudes should see the other guy in my opinion. It's your girl who's 95% of the problem, so don't focus on the 5% guy.

 

[Zasada]

I never understood the hate for people who sleep with married people.

It's not like they made any promises to the other person's spouse. No assumption of fidelity, no offers of love to the spouse. It's the married person's fault.

It's like blaming McDonald's when I stray from my diet. Damn them for serving me a Big Mac when I asked for it!

A cheating spouse will find someone to cheat with. Blame the cheater.

This whole blaming 16 for "doing something to someone that was done to him" is crap. Should he blame the PT for his ex's cheating? Of course not. Blame the ex! The PT has offered no loyalty to 16, made no promises, and professed no love (although that would make for a very interesting turn of events). It was his ex that did all that. Pretty cut and dried to me.

This falls under the continuous trend of "nothing is ever my fault" prevalent today. It's the fast food companies' fault for making people fat. It's the school's fault for misbehaving kids. It's society's fault for creating criminals. Take some freakin' responsibility for your actions. YOU cheated. It's YOUR fault. Not the person that you boned.

/shrug

 

[trogg78]

I never understood the hate for people who sleep with married people.

It's not like they made any promises to the other person's spouse. No assumption of fidelity, no offers of love to the spouse. It's the married person's fault.

It's like blaming McDonald's when I stray from my diet. Damn them for serving me a Big Mac when I asked for it!

A cheating spouse will find someone to cheat with. Blame the cheater.

This whole blaming 16 for "doing something to someone that was done to him" is crap. Should he blame the PT for his ex's cheating? Of course not. Blame the ex! The PT has offered no loyalty to 16, made no promises, and professed no love (although that would make for a very interesting turn of events). It was his ex that did all that. Pretty cut and dried to me.

This falls under the continuous trend of "nothing is ever my fault" prevalent today. It's the fast food companies' fault for making people fat. It's the school's fault for misbehaving kids. It's society's fault for creating criminals. Take some freakin' responsibility for your actions. YOU cheated. It's YOUR fault. Not the person that you boned.

/shrug

I could really care less, but it certainly says a lot about the value he puts on committed relationships whether it's the relationship he is in, or someone else is in. So what if she cheats with someone else. It still says a lot about him as a person as will likely result in more failure in future relationships.

 

[trogg78]

You really can't ignore the fact that most the woman he's involved with are cheaters. He has no clue what an honest woman is and most likely will never attract one.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I never understood the hate for people who sleep with married people.

It's not like they made any promises to the other person's spouse. No assumption of fidelity, no offers of love to the spouse. It's the married person's fault.

It's like blaming McDonald's when I stray from my diet. Damn them for serving me a Big Mac when I asked for it!

A cheating spouse will find someone to cheat with. Blame the cheater.

This whole blaming 16 for "doing something to someone that was done to him" is crap. Should he blame the PT for his ex's cheating? Of course not. Blame the ex! The PT has offered no loyalty to 16, made no promises, and professed no love (although that would make for a very interesting turn of events). It was his ex that did all that. Pretty cut and dried to me.

This falls under the continuous trend of "nothing is ever my fault" prevalent today. It's the fast food companies' fault for making people fat. It's the school's fault for misbehaving kids. It's society's fault for creating criminals. Take some freakin' responsibility for your actions. YOU cheated. It's YOUR fault. Not the person that you boned.

/shrug

I could really care less, but it certainly says a lot about the value he puts on committed relationships whether it's the relationship he is in, or someone else is in. So what if she cheats with someone else. It still says a lot about him as a person as will likely result in more failure in future relationships.

 

[trogg78]

I never understood the hate for people who sleep with married people.

It's not like they made any promises to the other person's spouse. No assumption of fidelity, no offers of love to the spouse. It's the married person's fault.

It's like blaming McDonald's when I stray from my diet. Damn them for serving me a Big Mac when I asked for it!

A cheating spouse will find someone to cheat with. Blame the cheater.

This whole blaming 16 for "doing something to someone that was done to him" is crap. Should he blame the PT for his ex's cheating? Of course not. Blame the ex! The PT has offered no loyalty to 16, made no promises, and professed no love (although that would make for a very interesting turn of events). It was his ex that did all that. Pretty cut and dried to me.

This falls under the continuous trend of "nothing is ever my fault" prevalent today. It's the fast food companies' fault for making people fat. It's the school's fault for misbehaving kids. It's society's fault for creating criminals. Take some freakin' responsibility for your actions. YOU cheated. It's YOUR fault. Not the person that you boned.

/shrug

I could really care less, but it certainly says a lot about the value he puts on committed relationships whether it's the relationship he is in, or someone else is in. So what if she cheats with someone else. It still says a lot about him as a person as will likely result in more failure in future relationships.

I can "not care" and still have an opinion.

 

[Keerock]

I never understood the hate for people who sleep with married people.

It's not like they made any promises to the other person's spouse. No assumption of fidelity, no offers of love to the spouse. It's the married person's fault.

It's like blaming McDonald's when I stray from my diet. Damn them for serving me a Big Mac when I asked for it!

A cheating spouse will find someone to cheat with. Blame the cheater.

This whole blaming 16 for "doing something to someone that was done to him" is crap. Should he blame the PT for his ex's cheating? Of course not. Blame the ex! The PT has offered no loyalty to 16, made no promises, and professed no love (although that would make for a very interesting turn of events). It was his ex that did all that. Pretty cut and dried to me.

This falls under the continuous trend of "nothing is ever my fault" prevalent today. It's the fast food companies' fault for making people fat. It's the school's fault for misbehaving kids. It's society's fault for creating criminals. Take some freakin' responsibility for your actions. YOU cheated. It's YOUR fault. Not the person that you boned.

/shrug

I could really care less, but it certainly says a lot about the value he puts on committed relationships whether it's the relationship he is in, or someone else is in. So what if she cheats with someone else. It still says a lot about him as a person as will likely result in more failure in future relationships.

I can "not care" and still have an opinion.

But can you "not care" any less?

 

[trogg78]

I don't care in the sense that I have no interest in "fixing" #16, like many others. It's much more entertaining watching him peruse "unavailable" women.

 

[Keerock]

:whoosh: I give up

 

[trogg78]

I never understood the hate for people who sleep with married people.

It's not like they made any promises to the other person's spouse. No assumption of fidelity, no offers of love to the spouse. It's the married person's fault.

It's like blaming McDonald's when I stray from my diet. Damn them for serving me a Big Mac when I asked for it!

A cheating spouse will find someone to cheat with. Blame the cheater.

This whole blaming 16 for "doing something to someone that was done to him" is crap. Should he blame the PT for his ex's cheating? Of course not. Blame the ex! The PT has offered no loyalty to 16, made no promises, and professed no love (although that would make for a very interesting turn of events). It was his ex that did all that. Pretty cut and dried to me.

This falls under the continuous trend of "nothing is ever my fault" prevalent today. It's the fast food companies' fault for making people fat. It's the school's fault for misbehaving kids. It's society's fault for creating criminals. Take some freakin' responsibility for your actions. YOU cheated. It's YOUR fault. Not the person that you boned.

/shrug

I could really care less, but it certainly says a lot about the value he puts on committed relationships whether it's the relationship he is in, or someone else is in. So what if she cheats with someone else. It still says a lot about him as a person as will likely result in more failure in future relationships.

I can "not care" and still have an opinion.

But can you "not care" any less?

Boobs.

 

[Keerock]

I never understood the hate for people who sleep with married people.

It's not like they made any promises to the other person's spouse. No assumption of fidelity, no offers of love to the spouse. It's the married person's fault.

It's like blaming McDonald's when I stray from my diet. Damn them for serving me a Big Mac when I asked for it!

A cheating spouse will find someone to cheat with. Blame the cheater.

This whole blaming 16 for "doing something to someone that was done to him" is crap. Should he blame the PT for his ex's cheating? Of course not. Blame the ex! The PT has offered no loyalty to 16, made no promises, and professed no love (although that would make for a very interesting turn of events). It was his ex that did all that. Pretty cut and dried to me.

This falls under the continuous trend of "nothing is ever my fault" prevalent today. It's the fast food companies' fault for making people fat. It's the school's fault for misbehaving kids. It's society's fault for creating criminals. Take some freakin' responsibility for your actions. YOU cheated. It's YOUR fault. Not the person that you boned.

/shrug

I could really care less, but it certainly says a lot about the value he puts on committed relationships whether it's the relationship he is in, or someone else is in. So what if she cheats with someone else. It still says a lot about him as a person as will likely result in more failure in future relationships.

I can "not care" and still have an opinion.

But can you "not care" any less?

Boobs.

I like boobs.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Take some freakin' responsibility for your actions.

I'm pretty sure absolutely everything else you said in your post contradicted this single statement.

 

[jamny]

If you knowingly bang a married woman it does say something about your character.

 

[Zasada]

Take some freakin' responsibility for your actions.

I'm pretty sure absolutely everything else you said in your post contradicted this single statement.

And that's where you'd be wrong. Pointing the finger at the single guy who slept with the married woman is just an attempt to deflect blame from the married woman so that it can be overlooked. The shirking of responsibility lies with the person that pledged fidelity to their spouse, not the person who's leg she humped in an effort to cheat.

 

[Copeman]

If you knowingly bang a married woman it does say something about your character.