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awesomeness
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Big Ben. With Brees as a close 2nd.
thatguy
Footballguy
I would guess that just two years ago Carson would have won this in a landslide and guys like Leinart and VY would have been in the discussion. Things change pretty quickly in this league.
There is of course still the one delusional Leinart advocate roaming these boards, but nonetheless, I think most at this point wonder whether or not he even has what it takes to be a serviceable NFL QB.
There is of course still the one delusional Leinart advocate roaming these boards, but nonetheless, I think most at this point wonder whether or not he even has what it takes to be a serviceable NFL QB.
MCguidance
Footballguy
I voted Big Ben.
Some thoughts:
I thought about Russell for a second, but haven't seen nearly enough of him yet to vote that way.
Hasselbeck was another one, but he is a bit of a graybeard.
If Garrard shows me something this year after an effective 07 campaign I'd think about him, too.
As a tandem Anderson/Quinn are intriguing, so maybe they would get my "other" vote in a year.
Matt Ryan could enter the discussion in a couple years.
And while I think Vince may be a winner, I wouldn't consider him at this point. Same goes for Leinart.
Some thoughts:
I thought about Russell for a second, but haven't seen nearly enough of him yet to vote that way.
Hasselbeck was another one, but he is a bit of a graybeard.
If Garrard shows me something this year after an effective 07 campaign I'd think about him, too.
As a tandem Anderson/Quinn are intriguing, so maybe they would get my "other" vote in a year.
Matt Ryan could enter the discussion in a couple years.
And while I think Vince may be a winner, I wouldn't consider him at this point. Same goes for Leinart.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Anyone who watches the Steelers consistently knows that the sack problem is far more of an o-line problem than a qb problem. Not only that but I'll take a few extra sacks along with Ben's propensity to create plays with his scrambling ability.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
What, no Philip Rivers option?
thatguy
Footballguy
What can I say, not a fan.But mostly, I just forgot about him.What, no Philip Rivers option?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
You have the "other" option available.But dang near noone would go with the Rivers option at this point.What can I say, not a fan.But mostly, I just forgot about him.What, no Philip Rivers option?
heidbrink
Footballguy
Interesting question. I voted Palmer even though he's longer in the tooth than your other options. Ben and Cutler are good, and as you pointed out, younger options. Between the two, I'd rather go with Ben for my new franchise. As far as really getting young. Guys in the "other" category could include youngsters such as Ryan and Russell... Also, Aaron Rodgers is missing from your list. I understand some would take him even with an older (perhaps better) option staring them in the face...
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Riffraff
Footballguy
Color me confused.
thatguy
Footballguy
Fixed it.
baconisgood
Footballguy
If the Question is which guy do I want as QB I take Brees, but if the question is which guy do I think has the best chance of being the next Brady/Peyton the its Ben.
thatguy
Footballguy
Right now the consensus opinion is that Brady and Peyton are in a tier unto themselves as the super-elite QBs in the NFL. The rest of these guys are all considered at least a tier or two below. So my question is which of them has the best chance to enter that top tier with Brady and Peyton. I guess I assumed, incorrectly I guess, that whoever that QB might be would also be the QB people would most want to start a franchise with. Care to explain the difference?
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I voted Cutler, but ben would be a close second.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
agreed. I dropped carson down for the injury, using inj's as tiebreakers for a pretty solid list of qbs.
Afro Samurai
Footballguy
Cutler.
If Brees were 4 inches taller he'd be Peyton Manning. But he gets too many passes swatted back in his face.
If Brees were 4 inches taller he'd be Peyton Manning. But he gets too many passes swatted back in his face.
switz
Footballguy
I think Trent Edwards is looking pretty good on his developmental path...
And Leinart. (Although he'd only get LHUCKS's vote.)
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Culter, Brees, Romo
SSOG
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Holding on too long is the price you pay for an 8.2 career y/a (4th best in NFL history), as well as being the active leader in yards per completion. He holds it to give his offense some time to develop. The sacks are the price you pay for having such a terrible pass-blocking Oline. The fact that he can lead the league in y/a and y/c behind that line is a testament to his toughness and his mobility.I thought long and hard on this one, and I eventually went with Roethlisberger over Cutler by the narrowest of margins. What decided me was the offensive line- Cutler hasn't even been hit through all of preseason and either game this season. Put Roethlisberger behind that kind of protection, and I think he'd be doing just as well, if not better.
thatguy
Footballguy
Yeah, I made what I considered to be a not-so-subtle reference to that early in the thread.Leinart simply does not belong in this discussion.
Chaka
Footballguy
I completely respect his guts and killer instinct but along with his high YPA/YPC he is also the youngest player in the top 20 of active players in taking sacks with 151 to date. Taking a sack is worse then throwing it out of bounds. You can't make big plays and win games for your team from a stretcher. In the long run he hurts his team more than helps it by exposing himself to more damage and negative plays.He still needs to learn the balance between going for big plays and taking big risks or his career will be over long before anyone else in this poll.
Roethlisberger also throws a lot of INTs (per attempt).
But he does have a ring.
But he does have a ring.
Chaka
Footballguy
So do Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams and Jim McMahon.
thatguy
Footballguy
Crazy how much two games can impact our collective perception... Big Ben was leading by a wide margin before I bumped this. Cutler, Romo, and Brees were in a deadlock for second...
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Look at the Cutler rocket take off!!!
heidbrink
Footballguy
I'm glad this thread floated back up because I want to officially change my vote to Cutler. Very impressed with his progress. He is the next BIG thing and gets the nod to lead my pretend franchise to the promised land. I'll take his two wideouts while I'm at it too.
thatguy
Footballguy
With Cutler having almost caught Big Ben now, it seems you're not alone in this sentiment. When I bumped this, Cutler had 21 votes to Big Ben's 46.The thing is, I think most Bronco fans who had watched Cutler's development from his rookie year, through last season, and into the pre-season, were aware of how special he is. But I think the rest of the football world is just now catching up with us.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Ben's actually gone 5 straight regular season games without an INT (108 attempts). If you remove his motorcyle/appendix season his career INT % is 3.1 instead of 3.7. More impressive is his TD % which moves from 5.9% to 7.0%.Roethlisberger and Cutler would be my clear 1-2 here, I'd only give Ben the edge due to his playoff/SB experience and overall record. They both possess all the tools you look for in a QB: size, athleticism, accuracy, arm strength, ability to extend plays in and out of the pocket, able to throw on the move, desire to work and win.
Rovers
Footballguy
OK, he's a post that can only be critisized for, never reaffirmed... because if I'm right, this thread will be dead for about 15 years. So, I say this fully knowing I will only take shots for it, and never be able to do the "I told you so" thing.
I honestly believe that Cutler, if he remains healthy and has a full career will be a HoF QB some day. At this stage in his career, he looks better than Manning, Favre and Brady did. Only Marino was better than him so soon. He would be my hands down pick, easilly. But, then again, I liked Cutler big time coming out of college, so I may be biased. Could be rose colored glasses, but it is what I believe will happen... Cutler... HoF.
(BTW, Jets fan here.... and I cried when they took a LT over Cutler)
I honestly believe that Cutler, if he remains healthy and has a full career will be a HoF QB some day. At this stage in his career, he looks better than Manning, Favre and Brady did. Only Marino was better than him so soon. He would be my hands down pick, easilly. But, then again, I liked Cutler big time coming out of college, so I may be biased. Could be rose colored glasses, but it is what I believe will happen... Cutler... HoF.
(BTW, Jets fan here.... and I cried when they took a LT over Cutler)
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Donovan McNabb.
I would just be smart enough to get him some top receiver help.
He took the Eagles to 4 straight NFC championships with the likes of Pinkston and Thrash... just think what he could have been, if during all that time he had true # 1 and # 2 WRs. Instead he was dealing with 3s and 4s.
I guess 'thatguy' is seeking some love for his man Cutler. No better than all the Brady fans coming up with these polls hoping to get him ranking high. And it is always best to these polls right after your target had a great game... and forget to add some others who likewise had great games... no since in the playing field being even.
Von
I would just be smart enough to get him some top receiver help.
He took the Eagles to 4 straight NFC championships with the likes of Pinkston and Thrash... just think what he could have been, if during all that time he had true # 1 and # 2 WRs. Instead he was dealing with 3s and 4s.
I guess 'thatguy' is seeking some love for his man Cutler. No better than all the Brady fans coming up with these polls hoping to get him ranking high. And it is always best to these polls right after your target had a great game... and forget to add some others who likewise had great games... no since in the playing field being even.
Von
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thatguy
Footballguy
No, I was actually just choosing sub-30 QBs. Hence, no Donavan. As I've mentioned there are a couple of guys, namely Rodgers and Rivers, that I forgot to include. They are the only two as far as I'm concerned.And I started this poll pre-season pal, before Cutler had done squat. I bumped it to see if two weeks had changed people's perception. I could care less which QB ends up winning, but nonetheless I do think the swing is interesting.
In the future, do try to read the whole thread and be sure of its details before making some smart ### unintelligent reply, k pumpkin?
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