If you were the Eagles... (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

As we've discussed, Joe Banner has officially acknowledged that CB Lito Sheppard is available and that inquiries have been coming in with regularity. The fact he's publicly admitted the willingness to move Lito, in my mind, means they've all but decided to part ways with the talented, oft-injured CB before training camp.

In the meantime, there are a number of other high profile players who have either indicated they are available in trade OR where the rumors just won't go away.

So I'm curious, if you were Andy Reid and theoretically ALL of the aforementioned deals were on the table; which would you pick. Again, this isn't about "I don't think that deal would actually happen" or "Lito isn't worth Player X"...this is purely hypothetical. IF you could have any of the poll choices for Sheppard, which would you choose. Also assume that, if you're acquiring a player, you would also have to factor in signing them to a long-term deal that would cost market rates for elite players at their position.

 

[Nagle2998]

It would depend on what you had to add into the deal but I would go after Allen who will make every player on that defense better. You put Allen and Cole next to each other and Qb's will have no time at all to throw and both are also good at stopping the run for their size.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I'd have to say that an impact WR would mean the most to the Eagles.

They could use Allen, sure - but the ripple effect from having a #1 WR would be huge.

Reggie Brown shifts to #2.

Kevin Curtis moves to the slot.

Defenses would have significant worries.

So I would rank them:

CJ

RoyW

Allen

.....

Draft implications (the Eagles already have 10 picks and they have an aging team - they need talent now, not future prospects).

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Allen

Williams

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keep Lito

Chad

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move into top 10

2nd rounder in 08 or 09

 

[Jason Wood]

I would opt for Allen. He's a pass rushing end that's not a liability against the run. Put him with Cole, given our DE depth and Samuel and Brown at corner, the defense would potentially be the best under Jim Johnson and, as a result, the team wouldn't have to score 30 a game to win. Plus, despite what our record has been in the past (Pinkston, Mitchell), I think it's far easier to get a WR that can make a difference on this team at 1.19 than it would be a 2-way defensive end.



But truth is, I would jump for joy if we got ANY starting caliber player of consequence for Lito.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I voted for "Moving from 1.19 into the top 10 this year" with the selfish reason of hoping they trade with the Bills to move up in the top 11

It makes all the sense in the world for the Bills, but not sure how good of a deal it would be for the Eagles.

 

[Polish Hammer]

I would opt for Allen. He's a pass rushing end that's not a liability against the run. Put him with Cole, given our DE depth and Samuel and Brown at corner, the defense would potentially be the best under Jim Johnson and, as a result, the team wouldn't have to score 30 a game to win. Plus, despite what our record has been in the past (Pinkston, Mitchell), I think it's far easier to get a WR that can make a difference on this team at 1.19 than it would be a 2-way defensive end.But truth is, I would jump for joy if we got ANY starting caliber player of consequence for Lito.

Jason took the words out of my mouth. Unlike many fantasy football fans, I enjoy seeing a team built around defense. If they were to get Allen, improve the DT depth just a little, and get a safety to groom a year or two under Dawkins, this defense could be scary good for the next 5 years (assuming progression with the LBs and DTs). That shortens the field and makes success for the offense easier.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I would opt for Allen. He's a pass rushing end that's not a liability against the run. Put him with Cole, given our DE depth and Samuel and Brown at corner, the defense would potentially be the best under Jim Johnson and, as a result, the team wouldn't have to score 30 a game to win. Plus, despite what our record has been in the past (Pinkston, Mitchell), I think it's far easier to get a WR that can make a difference on this team at 1.19 than it would be a 2-way defensive end.But truth is, I would jump for joy if we got ANY starting caliber player of consequence for Lito.

Jason took the words out of my mouth. Unlike many fantasy football fans, I enjoy seeing a team built around defense. If they were to get Allen, improve the DT depth just a little, and get a safety to groom a year or two under Dawkins, this defense could be scary good for the next 5 years (assuming progression with the LBs and DTs). That shortens the field and makes success for the offense easier.

Football is won up front with the big boys.

 

[johnnyshaka]

I would opt for Allen. He's a pass rushing end that's not a liability against the run. Put him with Cole, given our DE depth and Samuel and Brown at corner, the defense would potentially be the best under Jim Johnson and, as a result, the team wouldn't have to score 30 a game to win. Plus, despite what our record has been in the past (Pinkston, Mitchell), I think it's far easier to get a WR that can make a difference on this team at 1.19 than it would be a 2-way defensive end.But truth is, I would jump for joy if we got ANY starting caliber player of consequence for Lito.

I think Allen would be the way to go...young, proven stud that would significantly upgrade our defense.However, I don't think he'll come cheap and therefore you can kiss at least 1.19 and Lito goodbye and likely another pick or two more, as well. But, if we could work out a multi-year deal I think it could pay dividends down the road.

 

[Jason Wood]

I would opt for Allen. He's a pass rushing end that's not a liability against the run. Put him with Cole, given our DE depth and Samuel and Brown at corner, the defense would potentially be the best under Jim Johnson and, as a result, the team wouldn't have to score 30 a game to win. Plus, despite what our record has been in the past (Pinkston, Mitchell), I think it's far easier to get a WR that can make a difference on this team at 1.19 than it would be a 2-way defensive end.But truth is, I would jump for joy if we got ANY starting caliber player of consequence for Lito.

I think Allen would be the way to go...young, proven stud that would significantly upgrade our defense.However, I don't think he'll come cheap and therefore you can kiss at least 1.19 and Lito goodbye and likely another pick or two more, as well. But, if we could work out a multi-year deal I think it could pay dividends down the road.

As Jeff noted, the Eagles have 10 picks and realistically only four or five even have a shot at making the roster. So clearly they will be looking to leverage those picks by either moving up this year, or stockpiling higher picks for 2009. With that in mind, I actually wouldn't mind giving up 1.19 and Lito for Allen IF he was able to agree to a long-term extension. I wouldn't be as keen on giving up 1.19 and Lito for either wideout though.

 

[cacksman]

Allen. But it would take a lot more than just Lito to land him.

 

[scratcher]

Any of the options other than moving up in the round is fine by me. I think there is still nice talent at 19 and I would really like to see something tangible for our probowl corner. CJ has again gone out to say he will not participate in any training camps and would like to be traded by draft time... I'm not sure if he's going to be TO#2 but I'm willing to take the chance. Win now baby!

 

[Deranged Hermit]

The question is kinda flawed. Most Eagles fans would rather have Allen, all things being equal. I know I would. The problem is, it's not equal. If you get Allen for less than Lito, a first and a third, I'd be stunned. Conversely, Johnson could be had for maybe Lito and a second. THAT I would rather have.

I look at it like this, would you rather have:

A) Williams, Otah or Cherilus, Chad Johnson and a Safety (say the guy from Notre Dame)

or

B) Allen and Manningham (or another 2nd tier WR like Doucet or whoever)

I like option A myself....

 

[Polish Hammer]

The question is kinda flawed. Most Eagles fans would rather have Allen, all things being equal. I know I would. The problem is, it's not equal. If you get Allen for less than Lito, a first and a third, I'd be stunned. Conversely, Johnson could be had for maybe Lito and a second. THAT I would rather have.

I look at it like this, would you rather have:

A) Williams, Otah or Cherilus, Chad Johnson and a Safety (say the guy from Notre Dame)

or

B) Allen and Manningham (or another 2nd tier WR like Doucet or whoever)

I like option A myself....

Is the bolded statement based on your inside source? Being that Allen is now actively being shopped (like Lito) do you know if we are involved at all?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

The question is kinda flawed. Most Eagles fans would rather have Allen, all things being equal. I know I would. The problem is, it's not equal. If you get Allen for less than Lito, a first and a third, I'd be stunned. Conversely, Johnson could be had for maybe Lito and a second. THAT I would rather have.

I look at it like this, would you rather have:

A) Williams, Otah or Cherilus, Chad Johnson and a Safety (say the guy from Notre Dame)

or

B) Allen and Manningham (or another 2nd tier WR like Doucet or whoever)

I like option A myself....

Is the bolded statement based on your inside source? Being that Allen is now actively being shopped (like Lito) do you know if we are involved at all?

Totally speculation on my part. I know the Eagles inquired about Allen months ago and were told that he was not available. Of course Lito wasn't for trade back than either . I'm sure the Eagles will make another run at him now that he is on the block.Were I the Eagles, I would trade a first and third for Allen, than package Lito and their 2nd to move to the late first (SD?) and snatch Hardy, Sweed, Jackson, whoever. I'll bet one of those WR will be there.

JMHO though.....

 

[johnnyshaka]

Were I the Eagles, I would trade a first and third for Allen, than package Lito and their 2nd to move to the late first (SD?) and snatch Hardy, Sweed, Jackson, whoever. I'll bet one of those WR will be there.JMHO though.....

I like where you are heading with this but, again, I think Allen is going to command more. I like Lito and a pick to the Chargers but I'd be leaning towards taking Kenny Phillips instead of receiver.

 

[brock]

trading lito for any player that could start or any draft pick would be the wise move.

the other thing worth looking into would be swapping locations with pitt. pitt is a city that knows how to win the big ones.

 

[Jason Wood]

The question is kinda flawed. Most Eagles fans would rather have Allen, all things being equal. I know I would. The problem is, it's not equal. If you get Allen for less than Lito, a first and a third, I'd be stunned. Conversely, Johnson could be had for maybe Lito and a second. THAT I would rather have.I look at it like this, would you rather have:A) Williams, Otah or Cherilus, Chad Johnson and a Safety (say the guy from Notre Dame)orB) Allen and Manningham (or another 2nd tier WR like Doucet or whoever)I like option A myself....

LOL...there's always a critic.DH, this is a little light fantasy poll to while the day away. I realize that to make any of these deals work, it would require a lot of other variables. Not the point of the poll. Jeesh

 

[Deranged Hermit]

The question is kinda flawed. Most Eagles fans would rather have Allen, all things being equal. I know I would. The problem is, it's not equal. If you get Allen for less than Lito, a first and a third, I'd be stunned. Conversely, Johnson could be had for maybe Lito and a second. THAT I would rather have.I look at it like this, would you rather have:A) Williams, Otah or Cherilus, Chad Johnson and a Safety (say the guy from Notre Dame)orB) Allen and Manningham (or another 2nd tier WR like Doucet or whoever)I like option A myself....

LOL...there's always a critic.DH, this is a little light fantasy poll to while the day away. I realize that to make any of these deals work, it would require a lot of other variables. Not the point of the poll. Jeesh

In that case, I'd rather have Allen. No question......

 

[BigSteelThrill]

How many strikes against Jared Allen?

 

[phillyfan72]

I'd have to say that an impact WR would mean the most to the Eagles.They could use Allen, sure - but the ripple effect from having a #1 WR would be huge.Reggie Brown shifts to #2.Kevin Curtis moves to the slot.Defenses would have significant worries.So I would rank them:CJRoyWAllen.....Draft implications (the Eagles already have 10 picks and they have an aging team - they need talent now, not future prospects).

I have to agree with Jeff, except I would flip flop Roy W and CJ. Allen would be nice, but the D isn't the problem and now that we have a "shutdown" corner in Samuel, the D should be improved. A #1 WR is sorely lacking and Roy would fit very nicely. CJ would just be TO part deux, look what he's doing in Cincy right now.

 

[FUBAR]

I'd have to say that an impact WR would mean the most to the Eagles.They could use Allen, sure - but the ripple effect from having a #1 WR would be huge.Reggie Brown shifts to #2.Kevin Curtis moves to the slot.Defenses would have significant worries.So I would rank them:CJRoyWAllen.....Draft implications (the Eagles already have 10 picks and they have an aging team - they need talent now, not future prospects).

I have to agree with Jeff, except I would flip flop Roy W and CJ. Allen would be nice, but the D isn't the problem and now that we have a "shutdown" corner in Samuel, the D should be improved. A #1 WR is sorely lacking and Roy would fit very nicely. CJ would just be TO part deux, look what he's doing in Cincy right now.

I also agree, but (and I may be wrong) IMO Curtis as the #2, Brown in the slot works better.

 

[Bri]

Pats need to replace Asante and have a collection of good leaders that have been there. I think it'd be wise to look for a veteran leader from the Pats, see if they'd deal.

 

[NorrisB]

CJ is under contract until 2011' and the last thing the Bengals need is a DB with J. Joseph and L. Hall I dont see the Lions parting with their receivers with MM's hard on for them. The Chiefs would re-sign Allen for before trading him for a slightly above average DB like Lito. I think a second rounder is the best eagle fans can hope for and like patrick surtain theyd probably have to sweetin the deal just to get the second.

 

[jurb26]

I would go after Roy Williams first and for most, no question about it. Upper echelon WRs are hard to find. They have been extremely hard for Philly to draft for whatever reason. Philly seems to draft awful strong with guys at the LOS. After that I would seek Allen, then moving up in the draft and lastly Johnson.

 

[massraider]

Chad Johnson.

In general, I'd take Jared Allen, but Philly can always produce a pass rush, it seems. Add in the booze problems, and the fact that the Eagles would have to sweeten the pot (pretty significantly, perhaps), and I'd take Chad.

ROY? Nah, I like Chad's production better, and Chad is gonna be easier to get, being as noisy as he is. And I completely believe the stories that Roy wants to play in, or closer to, Texas.

Getting McNabb a stud WR would make Curtis a lot more dangerous, and maybe even open it up for LJ Smith. I think a top WR would have more of an impact for that team than any other position.

 

[RC94]

Allen by far IMO.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Its interesting to see that Lito Sheppards perceived value is all over the board. I think the Eagles are committed to trading him but his value is going to decrease not increase leading up to the draft. I think Philly ultimately settles for a late 2nd for Lito. These player for player deals are too hard to execute especially where Philly would have to package Lito plus picks to get Allen, Johnson or Williams. The rumored deal Lito, Reggie Brown and a #4 for Chad Johnson sounds interesting. But as said, the Bengals dont really need a disgruntled CB when they have 2 #1 picks at CB already.

 

[renesauz]

Were I the Eagles, I would trade a first and third for Allen, than package Lito and their 2nd to move to the late first (SD?) and snatch Hardy, Sweed, Jackson, whoever. I'll bet one of those WR will be there.JMHO though.....

I love this thought.Voted for Williams as The Eagles are pretty solid on the line IMO, but a top notch Wr would do wonders for the offense. I like CJ, but his attitude makes me nervous...we don't need another TO.

 

[massraider]

Its interesting to see that Lito Sheppards perceived value is all over the board. I think the Eagles are committed to trading him but his value is going to decrease not increase leading up to the draft.

Why is that?

 

[Pat Patriot]

Its interesting to see that Lito Sheppards perceived value is all over the board. I think the Eagles are committed to trading him but his value is going to decrease not increase leading up to the draft.

Why is that?

I believe it is because there are so many quality CB's in the draft and because the Eagles seem so committed to get rid of him.

 

[massraider]

Its interesting to see that Lito Sheppards perceived value is all over the board. I think the Eagles are committed to trading him but his value is going to decrease not increase leading up to the draft.

Why is that?

I believe it is because there are so many quality CB's in the draft and because the Eagles seem so committed to get rid of him.

I think there'll be a market for Lito. I don't really see the Eagles being in a weakened position to trade him. They want to move him, and teams know this, but they also know there's 31 other teams that may move for him. Unlike the Raiders/Moss thing, where the Raiders had serious limitations in trading him. Teams know the Eagles wouldn't mind moving him, but they can't lowball the Eagles, IMO, because teams know they might not get him. The list of teams that could use Lito is pretty long.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Its interesting to see that Lito Sheppards perceived value is all over the board. I think the Eagles are committed to trading him but his value is going to decrease not increase leading up to the draft. I think Philly ultimately settles for a late 2nd for Lito. These player for player deals are too hard to execute especially where Philly would have to package Lito plus picks to get Allen, Johnson or Williams. The rumored deal Lito, Reggie Brown and a #4 for Chad Johnson sounds interesting. But as said, the Bengals dont really need a disgruntled CB when they have 2 #1 picks at CB already.

If this is going to happen, it would be after the draft to spread out the cap hit. Ironically enough, Brown's cap hit would be just as much as Johnson.

 

[Zoomanji]

CJ is under contract until 2011' and the last thing the Bengals need is a DB with J. Joseph and L. Hall I dont see the Lions parting with their receivers with MM's hard on for them. The Chiefs would re-sign Allen for before trading him for a slightly above average DB like Lito. I think a second rounder is the best eagle fans can hope for and like patrick surtain theyd probably have to sweetin the deal just to get the second.

Relax, we know you don't want another CB But there are some flaws here1- MM isn't in Det anymore and the Roy rumor is already out there because he is a FA next year. EDIT- Thought you meant Mike Martz not Matt Millen but he'll probably get another WR in the 2nd anyway 2- The whole "Allen is gonna cost a lot" is flawed thinking by everyone. They are now actively shopping him which means they don't want to resign him and now that all the NFL teams know this his price will go down. They will be probably get a 1st and 2nd for him. You can't leverage when everyone knows you want a player gone. That's the same thing that will happen to Cincy when they finally do trade CJ. They'll be lucky to get a 2nd for him.3- Lito is better and younger than Surtain but I agree they'll get a mid to late 2nd or add him to a pick to move up.