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Just curious because I'm not going to look it up --- did Dan Snyder ever get an F in that survey? Thanks.
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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (3 Viewers)
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Just curious because I'm not going to look it up --- did Dan Snyder ever get an F in that survey? Thanks.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Dart is moving up and hype building - may pull a Pennix/Bo Nix and go much higher than previously thought. Jets sitting in a good spot to land him at #7 if h grades out as a franchise QB - seemed ridiculous a few wees ago but they are dying for a QB and not sure they can risk trading down and getting leapt over. If they did go that route they should follow the Falcons blueprint and go with Tyrod most of the season to let him learn and get his feet wet last few games - or until tyrod inevitably gets injured!
How would you feel if they took him at #7 - Id be ok with it - need youth/hope at QB and reading about alternatives like Fields, Mariotta, Kirk, etc - feels like a wasted season if not developing a new young QB.
How would you feel if they took him at #7 - Id be ok with it - need youth/hope at QB and reading about alternatives like Fields, Mariotta, Kirk, etc - feels like a wasted season if not developing a new young QB.
sheerterror
Footballguy
The new regime gets/deserves the benefit of the doubt from us - they've done no wrong [yet] to be dumped into the 'same ol Jets' category as, well, everyone else. So with that said, if they evaluate Dart and determine that he's worth taking 7th overall despite their awareness that it could set back or even doom the Glenn-Mougey combo, I'd be totally fine with it.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed - wouldn't mind a bridge QB and then draft Dart and let him sit a year (or put him in if he's got enough promise). Scary that this regime seems like it may know what it's doing - unchartered territory for us fans.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Thanks JD. Quite the legacy you have left behind. In his last season, he p'd away draft picks (Reddick and Adams) and cap space.
We still have no QB and a bunch of roster holes. I hope you never get a chance to be GM again. One great draft with 4 high draft picks and complete garbage otherwise. Saleh and Ulbrich were the perfect court jesters for this fraudster scallywag.
We still have no QB and a bunch of roster holes. I hope you never get a chance to be GM again. One great draft with 4 high draft picks and complete garbage otherwise. Saleh and Ulbrich were the perfect court jesters for this fraudster scallywag.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
JD was bad - no doubt - but close to a zero chance that JD had enough clout to pull that deal as he was close to being fired. That was a delusional Woody/Rodgers call thinking Adams could save the season when it was clearly gone.
RC94
Footballguy
Agreed. He essentially lost his job early in the season. He was pretty terrible overall and I agree with @NYRAGE about his overall legacy, but he wasn't really involved with any of the moves from this season including Adams and firing Saleh. He did do the Reddick trade (and decided to let Franklin-Myers leave), though, and that never seemed to be good moves.
Basically, I don't think JD can be blamed or given any credit for the main things that happened this season from the point when Saleh was fired, but he was responsible for the things that came before then.
rockaction
Footballguy
I thought JD was okay. He's the reason we had all those picks in that draft that he killed. He messed up on Becton over two surer things and other parts, but he can't be blamed for the Adams trade or even letting Franklin-Myers walk. We'll never know the level of Woody and Brick's interference with him.
That's why it's hard to judge Jets GMs. The owner got an "F" from the players. A dead "F". He has his kids giving out game balls in the locker room.
Total dysfunction. It doesn't get any better when he dies, either.
That's why it's hard to judge Jets GMs. The owner got an "F" from the players. A dead "F". He has his kids giving out game balls in the locker room.
Total dysfunction. It doesn't get any better when he dies, either.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I know Woody has been considered a bad owner for some time but besides maybe Tebow I dont recall him meddling and being involved like he has been this past season. I am willing to write it off as losing his mind that the Rodgers experiment was such a disaster and he kept Saleh a year too long.
As bad as Woody is perceived they still land solid FAs and just put together a pretty solid coaching staff/front office - if they finally find a QB and the coaching staff/Front office is decent I can definitely see Woody staying in the background like Dolan. Hes getting old and wants to win bad - Dolan was way worse than Woody.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
interesting note in the Geno trade - despite reporting at the time it seems the Jets sent the Raiders the late 3rd rd pick from the Lions for Devante and not their own high 3rd. Not sure how that could get screwed up so bad - maybe the local reporters could stop trying for clicks and concentrate on real news like this. Gives the Jets a high 3rd rder to use or deal.
Trade was still awful but at least not as awful - also Raiders now out of QB market which makes QB in play at #7 more possible,
Trade was still awful but at least not as awful - also Raiders now out of QB market which makes QB in play at #7 more possible,
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, it's the pick the Lions sent the Jets, which is a late third. I don't think the Adams trade was bad at all. You're in it to win it, you do it. The problem was that they did it too late.
What I want to know is why the Jets didn't send their other third for Geno. It would seem that unless you have an agreement with Fields in place, then you'd want to improve your team for a third like Las Vegas just did.
Who are they going to have play QB that's better than Geno? I find it hard to believe they have one signed or in mind already.
rockaction
Footballguy
The Jets picks, according to Tankathon:
7, 42, 73, 109, 146, 157, 188, 209
Which they'll need. Have you looked at ourlads.com's depth chart and gotten a gander at the free agent status of the Jets' secondary? Hoo boy. Their entire secondary besides Sauce are free agents. Two deep at every position other than his.
7, 42, 73, 109, 146, 157, 188, 209
Which they'll need. Have you looked at ourlads.com's depth chart and gotten a gander at the free agent status of the Jets' secondary? Hoo boy. Their entire secondary besides Sauce are free agents. Two deep at every position other than his.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’d prefer for them to pass on QB in this draft - I’d hope they already have Fields in place by then as well.
What they do in free agency will be telling, and as I said I’ll put some trust into the new regime for now to get it right. If that involves Dart, I’m on board. Right now, I’m hesitant on going that route.
rockaction
Footballguy
Fields and Taylor sounds an awful lot like the Fields and Russ tandem that Pittsburgh ran out there last year to little success. And we don't have Pittsburgh's defense. I'm not sure how this all works if they sign Fields.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
At least Fields is young with upside. It would allow them the possibility to either draft a mid rd/day 2 QB to develop or even punt for a year to see if Fields can take the next step. Much better than a season of Tyrod IMO.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
They were 4-2 with Fields starting. I’m looking at the NFL landscape and the final four teams had Hurts-Daniels-Allen-Mahomes - strong mobile QBs are the prototype now.
It also reunites Fields and Wilson. I think the Jets arguably have better offensive weapons than the Steelers.
I don’t think Fields comes without any risk - but let’s face any choice they make at the position comes with risk.
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
FA hits tomorrow - whats the predictions?
Obviously the big fish is at QB but expecting to see WR, DL, LB and Safety as well - not expecting any big splash paydays but rather some bargain shopping with a sprinkle of tier 2 talent. Keep an eye on the connections: Det, Den, Car, SF FAs.
Obviously the big fish is at QB but expecting to see WR, DL, LB and Safety as well - not expecting any big splash paydays but rather some bargain shopping with a sprinkle of tier 2 talent. Keep an eye on the connections: Det, Den, Car, SF FAs.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don’t think they jump in early but if they do I would imagine it’s a QB they like. It’s not really a great free agent market but they do need to add a veteran WR to take some pressure from Wilson. I know he’s old but a guy like Kennan Allen would work. I have to admit, I haven’t really looked at a free agent list.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
- Tee Higgins, Cincinnati Bengals
- Chris Godwin, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
- Amari Cooper, Buffalo Bills
- Stefon Diggs, Houston Texans
- DeAndre Hopkins, Kansas City Chiefs
- Diontae Johnson, Baltimore Ravens
- Darius Slayton, New York Giants
- Keenan Allen, Chicago Bears
- Demarcus Robinson, Los Angeles Rams
- Joshua Palmer, Los Angeles Chargers
Not an attractive list. I’ve read the Patriots are ready to overpay for Godwin and Higgins is staying in Cincinnati.
Chemical X
Footballguy
JD makes John Idzik look like Mike McCagnan
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I laughed! I would say JD was the clear best out of the 3 but pretty low bar! Really hoping this regime is the real deal....
TLEF316
Footballguy
Lot more than I think most expected. But for a 25 year old starter with some possible untapped upside, I get it.
The issue is that I'm guessing quincy Williams ain't showing up to camp when the guy next to him (who isn't as good a player) is making 2.5x more than him.
And are you really gonna pay 2 lbs 30mil?
The issue is that I'm guessing quincy Williams ain't showing up to camp when the guy next to him (who isn't as good a player) is making 2.5x more than him.
And are you really gonna pay 2 lbs 30mil?
rockaction
Footballguy
So this is how they afford that. From ESPN:
"The move casts further doubt on the future on former Pro Bowl middle linebacker C.J. Mosley, 32, who counts $12.8 million on the cap and could be released."
Sorry, C.J., you were game (mostly). It just didn't work out.
"The move casts further doubt on the future on former Pro Bowl middle linebacker C.J. Mosley, 32, who counts $12.8 million on the cap and could be released."
Sorry, C.J., you were game (mostly). It just didn't work out.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Such a strange career arc. He was awesome in Baltimore and they couldn't afford to keep him when he became a FA. The Jets paid him a gazillion dollars. Then it seemed like he got hurt and fell off of the map.
rockaction
Footballguy
He got hurt (like you said) and then was a COVID opt-out. That's why I said he was mostly game. It was subtle snark there and I didn't expect anybody to catch it, but now that I am saying that by way of explanation why he made a splash with B'More but not the Jets, that's why. By the time he started playing in earnest for the Jets, he was 29 or something.
eta* He was a second-team All-Pro in 2022. That's why I'm complimentary for the most part about his performance. He really wasn't bad—he was just too much money for an inside linebacker who was aging. That All-Pro year came at the age of thirty, so take it all for what it's worth. But he indeed was 29 by the time his career really got going for the Jets. He only got two games in the year he was 27 and missed the whole rest of that year plus the next.
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zamboni
Footballguy
More than I would have thought, but it's a need they have to address and that's the market.
As for FA, I do think they need to move sooner rather than later on QB given that Cleveland, Tennessee, the Giants, Seattle, and maybe even Indianapolis are in the mix, and the first two may not be gung ho on either of the rookies.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Pittsburgh and Seattle also.
zamboni
Footballguy
I have Seattle there, but yeah forgot about Pittsburgh. That's a fair amount of teams looking to fill a huge need.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Mosely is definitely a goner you would think - not a bust but certainly an overpay. It seemed they would always redo his contract and kick the inevitable down the road. He has been underperforming for years but at least contributed during his tenure - another lesson learned. Likely a post 6/1 cut to spread it out over 2 yrs.
zamboni
Footballguy
We have to stop signing Ravens guys whose best days were left behind in Baltimore.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
He would have gotten that in FA - he was going to be the top LB available. Not only is he solid but a rare draftee who recd a 2d contract with the Jets - thats important. They need to stop short arming home grown/developed players and keep them.
As for Q - dont think this is the end - but I could see an extension soon. Id have no problem locking him up with Sherwood - he was perhaps one of their best FA signings.
As of now they are $47M under the cap - after signing Sherwood depending on structure they are still likely $35M plus - cutting Rodgers and Mosely post 6/1 should add $15 - after Lazard and Greg Z are cut thats another $10M. So still something like $60M.
Id like to use some of that extending G Will and Sauce now - we see how it works waiting until last minute to extend franchise players. G Will gonna be at least $30M per yr and Sauce $20+ - Horn just signed for $25M per yr so market is set. They can structure it so it doesnt hit too bad until future yrs where cap is high and obligations low - $100M in space in 2026 and $200 in 2027.
Keeping Sherwood, Sauce and GWill as core sends a good message and solid foundation.
Ive seen reports that Fields contract would be somewhere 2 yrs $20M - I think thats low - I think closer to 2 yrs $30M at least...maybe $40M.
Would like to see Fields signed quick then pivot to tier 2 players like Slayton/Patrick at WR - then focus on Def with DL/CB focus.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Reddick $14MM to Tampa Bay - maybe we get a supplemental pick out of that.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
JD was banking on it - not sure how it factors in....assume it depends on if Jets sign DL. Contract way under what this knucklehead was pushing for - dumbest trade/holdout ever.
zamboni
Footballguy
So Jets for him to be the first guy signed.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Some of you guys are incredibly forgiving or just really want to blame Woody.
JD blew draft after draft except for the one year when he had a bunch of high picks. Year after year of getting the o-line wrong and drafting terrible WRs outside of Wilson. Speaking of Wilson, the other Wilson was a huge whiff at QB. Anyway, moving on...to JD's worst trade anyway....
What does it say about the NFL when a bum like Reddick (albeit the most selfless player of all time according to Ulbrich) gets $14m after completely dogging it last year?
Let's see what happens with Fields.
JD blew draft after draft except for the one year when he had a bunch of high picks. Year after year of getting the o-line wrong and drafting terrible WRs outside of Wilson. Speaking of Wilson, the other Wilson was a huge whiff at QB. Anyway, moving on...to JD's worst trade anyway....
What does it say about the NFL when a bum like Reddick (albeit the most selfless player of all time according to Ulbrich) gets $14m after completely dogging it last year?
Let's see what happens with Fields.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Not much sympathy here for JD - only positive ive seen lately was that he was better than Mac and Idzick lol. JD had some positives - Jamal trade, one monster draft class, Sherwood - but ultimately whiffed on OL, QB twice and couldnt put a winning team on fields for 5 yrs. Deserved to go
As for Reddick - if you recall he really wanted a multi year deal for $20M plus per yr - Id say he paid a price for his shenanigans.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
Speaks a lot about the entire coaching staff/organization when these guys are being signed away for big contracts. Just like with Becton, the talent may be there, but just need a better system.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Becton got an end of FA prove it 1 yr contract where he finally had to agree to not be a LT. The mistake on Becton was drafting him over Wirfs in the 1st place - letting him go not as much
As for Kinlaw - he was signed on a 1 yr $8M contract most thought was an overpay and was pretty lousy - SF fans think he stinks as well - not sure how he landed that kind of deal but I dont see that as a slight on the Jets.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Expected - Reed was done with this team and $16M per yr for a #2 CB is too much - Lions strike back at Jets for the coaching purge.
Moses getting a 3 yr deal at his age was a pass for me - Pats had the money to roll the dice.
Definitely moves OT and CB up as for need positions
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Darnold to Seattle.
Glad you got your bag, but good luck behind that o-line, Sammy.
Glad you got your bag, but good luck behind that o-line, Sammy.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes, baby!!!
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I wanted Fields over Zach originally. Only took a few years!
I know he has his warts but he is young, has upside and is on a reasonable deal where they can easily get out after a year. Im sure GWill is thrilled and will sign an extension. Also doesnt prevent them from drafting a QB if one looks like the real deal
I know he has his warts but he is young, has upside and is on a reasonable deal where they can easily get out after a year. Im sure GWill is thrilled and will sign an extension. Also doesnt prevent them from drafting a QB if one looks like the real deal
zamboni
Footballguy
Crazy, huh? I think a lot of us in Jets nation wanted Fields back then. What a whirlwind