If anything breaks down in the contract talks between the Rams and Stafford this is my prediction were he would end up. I think reports yesterday that everyone expected things to get worked out between Rams and Stafford but seeing his wifes rant and this going on third off-season in a row of some contract drama with Stafford I'm not thinking of it as a done deal. Different regime but I believe reports I heard at the time that the Rams offered Stafford to the Jets when they decided to go with Rodgers.
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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (2 Viewers)
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
As a season ticket holder the prime time games are tough - crazy crowd, more drunks/non fans than usual, get home late, work exhaustion or conflicts, older members of our crew cant do prime time any more. Im more of a Sunday purist. We get there at 8:30am for a 1pm - tailgate before and sometimes after if its a close game - still get home before 7pm. Ill take that all year!
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I dont consider this realistic - think the Jets are done with expensive old QBs - especially if they need to trade for him. I agree with Doc that they explore the Fields type of QB route to compete with Tyrod. Maybe draft a QB to develop on day 2.
That's just weird to think if Stafford was available on a team with a lot of talent it would not be realistic.
And Fields is not going to be as cheap as you might think.
Bottom line is this team is NOT in rebuild mode, surprised you don't know that.
If Dart is your guy, you don’t trade down and mess around. You just take him.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yeah I'm a fan of the 1pm starts also for all the reasons you laid out. Even the 4:30 games are preferable to me over night games and I rarely go to the games in person.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
While this team isnt in a rip it down to the studs rebuild - I dont think they dive back into the trading for an old QB pool. Of course no one knows what direction the new regime will go - you can argue many sides. AG spoke of long term sustained success and cut bait with an old QB - Id be surprised if he doesnt go for a younger option
If you say you can argue many sides, which I believe is correct, and say we don't know what new regime will do, which I also agree with, then why label one road as "not realistic"? That seems contradictory to me.
You are referencing them going down the old QB pool road like it's been a common mistake. Is it not true their mistakes going down the young QB pool have not been far worse and costly mistakes?
Everyone would prefer to go younger but we can't just create QB's out of nowhere. There just are no good young QB's that look to be available right now.
There was a lot of discussion among the Jets' new brass on Aaron Rodgers the last couple weeks. They wanted to handle the situation with respect, which is why they flew Rodgers in—they wanted it to be in-person—late last week.
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
Just my opinion - I personally dont think its realistic to trade for an old QB after just sending off two 2d rders for Rodgers which ended in disaster. If Stafford was a FA then I might feel different but it would likely take a similar if not better pkg to land Stafford. No inside info here - just a guess after living and dying with this team for decades!
Jets have definitely not shown that they can draft and develop their own QB - but new regimes do like to take a swing at a young QB so I expect that to be a stronger possibility though not a great draft for it
Cant dismiss that AG came from Detroit where they turned Goff from a not very desirable option to a top QB - thats why I think Fields would be a more realistic target. He wont be cheap but certainly not top QB money. As you correctly state - not many good young QBs available at this time.
Bottom line is no one knows which way the new regime will go - however you have to respect the decisiveness so far. Seems like they have a plan - cant wait to see how it unfolds
There was a lot of discussion among the Jets' new brass on Aaron Rodgers the last couple weeks. They wanted to handle the situation with respect, which is why they flew Rodgers in—they wanted it to be in-person—late last week.
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As Breer said, there's no perfect way to handle these. But he should save his breath on the "respect" thing. That just feels like carrying water for his sources in NY. Making someone fly across the country is not respectful. They don't necessarily owe any respect but if they felt they did, the obvious move is to fly to him and let him know in person. Not making him fly across the country. Or better yet, just drop the talk of respect and do what they want to do.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Sigh........Quinnen Williams probably needs to look in the mirror before he goes mouthing off on twitter after this move was announced.
The main reason everyone lost their jobs and Rodgers is leaving is because the Defense (specifically his unit up front) got absolutely bullied up and down the field all season.....folding and giving up game winning drives in basically every single close game all year.
I like Q. He's good people. And I get being frustrated when after years of losing...the new regime makes what is probably a "win less now" move. But its just not the time to start yapping.
Could certainly see a few guys trying to engineer a move out of town rather than sticking around for a rebuild. And if that happens...so be it. We weren't winning with you anyway
The main reason everyone lost their jobs and Rodgers is leaving is because the Defense (specifically his unit up front) got absolutely bullied up and down the field all season.....folding and giving up game winning drives in basically every single close game all year.
I like Q. He's good people. And I get being frustrated when after years of losing...the new regime makes what is probably a "win less now" move. But its just not the time to start yapping.
Could certainly see a few guys trying to engineer a move out of town rather than sticking around for a rebuild. And if that happens...so be it. We weren't winning with you anyway
sheerterror
Footballguy
Rodgers has a house here. He's also happy to tell people to go screw if he doesn't want to do something, like show up for mini camp. If you think for a second that the poor guy didn't have stuff to do on the east coast and at his NJ mansion, and spent allllllll that time flying 5 hours on his private jet just to get fired, you're fooling yourself. But we get it. You love the guy.There was a lot of discussion among the Jets' new brass on Aaron Rodgers the last couple weeks. They wanted to handle the situation with respect, which is why they flew Rodgers in—they wanted it to be in-person—late last week.
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As Breer said, there's no perfect way to handle these. But he should save his breath on the "respect" thing. That just feels like carrying water for his sources in NY. Making someone fly across the country is not respectful. They don't necessarily owe any respect but if they felt they did, the obvious move is to fly to him and let him know in person. Not making him fly across the country. Or better yet, just drop the talk of respect and do what they want to do.
Rodgers has a house here. He's also happy to tell people to go screw if he doesn't want to do something, like show up for mini camp. If you think for a second that the poor guy didn't have stuff to do on the east coast and at his NJ mansion, and spent allllllll that time flying 5 hours on his private jet just to get fired, you're fooling yourself. But we get it. You love the guy.There was a lot of discussion among the Jets' new brass on Aaron Rodgers the last couple weeks. They wanted to handle the situation with respect, which is why they flew Rodgers in—they wanted it to be in-person—late last week.
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As Breer said, there's no perfect way to handle these. But he should save his breath on the "respect" thing. That just feels like carrying water for his sources in NY. Making someone fly across the country is not respectful. They don't necessarily owe any respect but if they felt they did, the obvious move is to fly to him and let him know in person. Not making him fly across the country. Or better yet, just drop the talk of respect and do what they want to do.
I suppose some people "love the guy". Although not many. Kind of an odd projection here though.I think I've been pretty consistent here saying I thought he was the Jets best option to win for 2025 but clearly the Jets have another idea. And seeing how things unfold is part of the attraction of the league. So we'll see.
That would make sense I think.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'll take Stafford. Sign me up.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'll take Geno Smith, for goodness' sake. I just want to win some games and watch football that is reasonable to watch. Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold before him weren't watchable football quarterbacks. (Please don't give me the Sam thing and regale me about his success under Kevin O'Connell—he was terrible when he was here and that pumpkin is out of the bag seeing what Aaron Glenn did to him.)
sheerterror
Footballguy
It's as odd a projection as you saying "I get that some people hate the guy" in 3 different posts, constantly inferring that Jet fans' opinions here on the situation was personal and not football related - simply because most of us wanted to move on from him and disagreed with your reasoning as to why you thought he would be best for our team in our current organizational state.Rodgers has a house here. He's also happy to tell people to go screw if he doesn't want to do something, like show up for mini camp. If you think for a second that the poor guy didn't have stuff to do on the east coast and at his NJ mansion, and spent allllllll that time flying 5 hours on his private jet just to get fired, you're fooling yourself. But we get it. You love the guy.There was a lot of discussion among the Jets' new brass on Aaron Rodgers the last couple weeks. They wanted to handle the situation with respect, which is why they flew Rodgers in—they wanted it to be in-person—late last week.
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As Breer said, there's no perfect way to handle these. But he should save his breath on the "respect" thing. That just feels like carrying water for his sources in NY. Making someone fly across the country is not respectful. They don't necessarily owe any respect but if they felt they did, the obvious move is to fly to him and let him know in person. Not making him fly across the country. Or better yet, just drop the talk of respect and do what they want to do.
I think I've been pretty consistent here saying I thought he was the Jets best option to win for 2025 but clearly the Jets have another idea. And seeing how things unfold is part of the attraction of the league. So we'll see.
Being the best option for 2025 doesn't equate to being the right decision for the long term of this stumbling, purgatory of an organization, especially with a brand new regime in place and a chance to rebuild the roster with tons of cap space and a top 10 draft pick.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
I didn't have a strong opinion one way or another on whether to keep Rodgers or not. He was likely the most talented on field option they could have under center in 2025, but would that have been the best option for the Jets over the next 2-3 years and the best fit for Rodgers to end his career? I think that is very debatable. I realize i'm not saying anything that hasn't already been said, but Engstrand comes from an offense that prioritizes short to medium passes in the middle of the field. That is not what AR likes to do. There is a reason the Jets had to go get Nate Hackett as OC in order to woo Rodgers here, he wasn't going to play in a new system if he could help it and I don't see him trying to do that moving forward unless he has no other options.
I also think there is a real concern if you are Aaron Glenn about the ability to put your stamp on this team right away with Rodgers as the QB. I'm not an AR hater, but he is a legend and a first ballot HOFer who happens to have a weekly spot on a national show where he isn't afraid to speak his mind. Whether he's trying to make himself a distraction or not everything he says is taken, dissected, twisted and amplified to the point where the Jets HC will need to constantly address it. Can a strong coach overcome those distractions? Sure he could, but should a first time head coach trying to change the culture of one of the most dysfunctional organizations in all of sports take that on for the off chance it all works perfectly and they can possibly get a WC spot? Especially considering your chosen OC is likely going to have to change his entire offensive philosophy to try and make it work? I can understand why Glenn would choose to go in a different direction.
I also think there is a real concern if you are Aaron Glenn about the ability to put your stamp on this team right away with Rodgers as the QB. I'm not an AR hater, but he is a legend and a first ballot HOFer who happens to have a weekly spot on a national show where he isn't afraid to speak his mind. Whether he's trying to make himself a distraction or not everything he says is taken, dissected, twisted and amplified to the point where the Jets HC will need to constantly address it. Can a strong coach overcome those distractions? Sure he could, but should a first time head coach trying to change the culture of one of the most dysfunctional organizations in all of sports take that on for the off chance it all works perfectly and they can possibly get a WC spot? Especially considering your chosen OC is likely going to have to change his entire offensive philosophy to try and make it work? I can understand why Glenn would choose to go in a different direction.
Balco
Footballguy
What’s the cap situation look like if they cut Rodgers?
I look at the Jets and see some very good pieces, but it’s weird, not sure if they should start a rebuild or be buyers.
I guess it all hinges on what they do at qb.
This looks like the worst qb rookie class since Kenny Picket was first qb taken. Would be a huge mistake for Jets to use an early pick (rounds 1-3) on a qb just because it’s a need. Keep drafting linemen - offensive and defensive (as an aside, it looks like d line is way to go in first and interior O line in 2-3 round range).
Following this team closely.
I look at the Jets and see some very good pieces, but it’s weird, not sure if they should start a rebuild or be buyers.
I guess it all hinges on what they do at qb.
This looks like the worst qb rookie class since Kenny Picket was first qb taken. Would be a huge mistake for Jets to use an early pick (rounds 1-3) on a qb just because it’s a need. Keep drafting linemen - offensive and defensive (as an aside, it looks like d line is way to go in first and interior O line in 2-3 round range).
Following this team closely.
It's as odd a projection as you saying "I get that some people hate the guy" in 3 different posts, constantly inferring that Jet fans' opinions here on the situation was personal and not football related - simply because most of us wanted to move on from him and disagreed with your reasoning as to why you thought he would be best for our team in our current organizational state.Rodgers has a house here. He's also happy to tell people to go screw if he doesn't want to do something, like show up for mini camp. If you think for a second that the poor guy didn't have stuff to do on the east coast and at his NJ mansion, and spent allllllll that time flying 5 hours on his private jet just to get fired, you're fooling yourself. But we get it. You love the guy.There was a lot of discussion among the Jets' new brass on Aaron Rodgers the last couple weeks. They wanted to handle the situation with respect, which is why they flew Rodgers in—they wanted it to be in-person—late last week.
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As Breer said, there's no perfect way to handle these. But he should save his breath on the "respect" thing. That just feels like carrying water for his sources in NY. Making someone fly across the country is not respectful. They don't necessarily owe any respect but if they felt they did, the obvious move is to fly to him and let him know in person. Not making him fly across the country. Or better yet, just drop the talk of respect and do what they want to do.
I think I've been pretty consistent here saying I thought he was the Jets best option to win for 2025 but clearly the Jets have another idea. And seeing how things unfold is part of the attraction of the league. So we'll see.
Being the best option for 2025 doesn't equate to being the right decision for the long term of this stumbling, purgatory of an organization, especially with a brand new regime in place and a chance to rebuild the roster with tons of cap space and a top 10 draft pick.
If "some" is the same as me or you personally, then
Absolutely. I'd guess this had a lot to do with it. A first ballot Hall Of Famer that isn't afraid to speak his mind would be a challenge for a rookie head coach. I can definitely see where Glenn would prefer another option.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Depends how they cut him -
for 2025 Jets are currently about $20M under cap. However, after cutting Adams, Lazard and Zeurlein they would be around $60M under.
From what I understand - if its a straight cut then they eat the entire $46M next year which would be quite a hit but possible if they just go with Tyrod and rip off the band aid.
More likely they make him a post 6/1 cut so they can spread out the hit. 2025 in that scenario would be around $14M in 2025 which I think saves about $10M on the cap this year and $35M in 2026. So far in 2026 they are sitting on $100M after cutting Adams so that would be the more likely IMO to handle the cap hit better.
Keep in mind their big draft class are not included in 2026 yet so that would take up some as well. OTC projects Sauce at $20M, GW at $16M, JJ $14M and Hall would be a FA without a new deal. Obviously new deals would lower those cap hits but you can see how cap space next 2 yrs plays a big part in the decision.
It's been reported that doing the McAffey show was an issue for them they discussed in regards to bringing him back, he'd have had to agree to not do it any longer. I don't know if he refused their request.
I disagree with your framing of the situation. He's not given the Jets HOF worthy performance, he's not performed like a HOF player in a long time and there are things you put up with a player when they perform at that level you don't put up with when they are no longer that guy. That being said I'm sure Rodgers is free to speak his mind inside the building all he wants.
Don't think this has one iota of anything to do with it being Glenn's first year on the job, that Rodgers was to big for him to handle or any notion of the such. For sure it does matter that he's trying to create a culture and it's easier to do without Rodgers but if this was his 20th season I don't think he'd be doing this any differently and I would guess majority of veteran head coaches would tell him to can the show or take a hike.
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No worries, we can disagree there. I agreed with what @Crash Davis was saying about a first time head coach not wanting that. All good.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think this is already the case.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
Dart at 7 is a colossal reach.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
As I said - going after Dart would be a trade down - accumulate more picks and get him late 1st to keep the extra yr would be the likely scenario...thats assuming he rises up the boards and the regime really likes him. QBs do tend to rise up to draft day so if he grades out well who knows - late 1st may be too late.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
I wasn't saying it was too big for him to handle, I was saying he wouldn't and shouldn't want to have to handle it as it could undermine his goals. I said all this before knowing about the conditions they laid out to Rodgers. I think the idea that they asked him to stop doing the show actually backs both of us up here. Glenn couldn't just bring Rodgers back and then let him miss minicamp and continue to go on the weekly show leading to local and national headlines every other week. Everyone would be rolling their eyes and saying nothing had changed and that Rodgers was still running the show, etc... We all know Rodgers wasn't going to agree to those conditions so I was fine with them just parting ways. Glenn wins the PR game (with me for sure) by even setting and offering them. If by some miracle Rodgers had accepted them then Glenn is already seen as tougher and more in control than Saleh. If he doesn't then he gets to say it was my way or the highway, no player is bigger than the team. It shows that he's acting like a veteran coach in his first year on the job. I personally think Glenn has handled the situation really well.
Did not think you did, my message was not directed towards you. Don't disagree with anything you've wrote.
Yes. That's what i said when I wrote, "I agreed with what @Crash Davis was saying about a first time head coach not wanting that."
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
I can see the McAfee thing as being a pretext to the breakup but it is sort of whatever either way.
The way for the Jets to go - if available - as a stop gap would be a cut Kirk Cousins at league minimum, assuming they'd be his first choice.
Then address it via draft next year.
-QG
The way for the Jets to go - if available - as a stop gap would be a cut Kirk Cousins at league minimum, assuming they'd be his first choice.
Then address it via draft next year.
-QG
That could be interesting. Do you think that's better than trying to address it via the draft this year?
rockaction
Footballguy
Makes too much sense. I got the sense that the talking heads think Cousins is done, but I wouldn't bet against him. He was having trouble driving the football down the field not even a year after achilles surgery. Of course. Give that puppy some more time and we'll put the shine right back on Kirk. Get him a second receiver—considering Adams is likely gone—and go from there.
Joe you might know this. What's preventing the Falcons from keeping Cousin's and having him mentor Michael Pennix. I get it my head initially was wrapped around the Russell Wilson signing by the Steeler's on the cheap and using that example here. But there's one big difference Sean Payton appears to have had a massive disliking towards Russell Wilson. That 85 million cap hit over 2 years was huge. A part of me would of kept Russell Wilson and made him a ball boy. I wouldn't want another team to sign him on the cheap and have me pay 95% of his salary. What further complicates this the $10 million signing bonus coming up for Kirk. Rick Spielman is signed by the Jets in an advisory role he used to be the Vikings GM who signed Kirk. My head is spinning too much thinking for me.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
I mean I guess it depends on how you feel about this class. Doesn't seem like there is much there and that which is there will get overdrafted. If you can find a new Russell Wilson late who the staff thinks they can mold I guess you take a stab but getting Cousins on Atlanta's dime (assuming they do cut him) seems like a pull tab worth grabbing.
I am just a tourist here though. All I know is that Jake Browning should not be for sale from my Bengals (even though in a moral sense he would deserve a starting chance) - just way bigger value than anyone that could replace him. (Though the Jets should do the due diligence of making that call and getting turned down.)
-QG
Joe you might know this. What's preventing the Falcons from keeping Cousin's and having him mentor Michael Pennix. I get it my head initially was wrapped around the Russell Wilson signing by the Steeler's on the cheap and using that example here. But there's one big difference Sean Payton appears to have had a massive disliking towards Russell Wilson. That 85 million cap hit over 2 years was huge. A part of me would of kept Russell Wilson and made him a ball boy. I wouldn't want another team to sign him on the cheap and have me pay 95% of his salary. What further complicates this the $10 million signing bonus coming up for Kirk. Rick Spielman is signed by the Jets in an advisory role he used to be the Vikings GM who signed Kirk. My head is spinning too much thinking for me.
That’s a great point. I don’t have any specific insight but Cousins I think would be a great mentor. We’ll see.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It says a lot about Rodgers as a leader that being in the spotlight was way more important to him than being a "team guy".
Just to be clear I am not hating on him and I do not hate him, he has the absolute right to choose that being on the Pat McAfee Show is more important to him than caring about what the new coaching staff wants out of him - but (IMO) it's clear why letting a declining asset that doesn't want to be a good solider go was the smart decision from a culture and long term health of the franchise perspective. It makes me feel much better about the new leadership.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Im still not convinced we have the full story - Im confident we'll hear Rodgers' side soon. Regardless you have to like the swift decisiveness and AG putting his foot down if thats the case. Way too much catering lately. This is how you start a winning culture at least.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
no doubt about that
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, the Russini pieces this winter have been eyebrow-raising and I'm not really sure you can believe everything you read in them. Major grains of salt need to be taken. That's not to knock Russini—she's just delivering the news that's fit to print—but it does look bad for the organization. The leaks in that place are something fierce.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Nathaniel Hackett officially fired.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Hater
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Hey, let's be fair here. I'm just a misanthrope.
(takes a moment to reflect). You're right. I hate Rodgers a little more than the average person. Now I will put Agnostic Front's "Friend or Foe" (demo version) and happily kick this fool to the curb.
rockaction
Footballguy
(demo version)
I love how you included that. Just in case we were about to throw on the album or single version.
No, ****ers. Demo version.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
On that list I’d want Fields but I’m starting to see that he’s not going to have to settle on a prove it deal and he should be in demand, so I’m not sure he’s realistic.
I don’t think there’s a lot of great options this year. Cousins could be interesting if released as a stop gap and potentially more. I don’t like the QBs in the draft much. I wouldn’t want them to trade for Stafford unless it was dirt cheap and I don’t see that. I’ve actually read today they want the no. 3 overall pick from the Giants for him. That seems crazy to me.
I’m feeling sort of confident in the new regime and glad they also added Spielman as a VP - I’ve been burned before but I’ll trust them to make good choices in regard to QB and other needs.