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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (1 Viewer)
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Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Around there.
You seem either offended or mystified whenever someone says he's not worth the baggage. If I were trying to build a new culture around a franchise that has struggled, I would not want a 40-something QB to build around - especially someone bringing what Rodgers does.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I agree with that ranking - but surprised you’re so in favor of the Jets bringing him back based on that. That’s bottom third of the league - they should be able to achieve close to that with a number of possibilities that could have a future with the team. He’s a decent QB still at this age but the 22nd best QB isn’t enough to go on a long playoff run. Frankly it’s probably not enough to make the playoffs.
Not at all.
I disagree with people who say his "baggage" outweighs the positive. Not remotely offended. Can you please let me know what I said that sounded offended?
I'm interested and curious why folks feel the way they do. But not mystified at all.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
And you clipped the rest of my post, which explains why I wouldn't want Rodgers on a struggling franchise trying to find itself. A 40+ QB who you yourself say is in the bottom 1/3 of the NFL players at the position and is bringing a whole lot of "him" to what's supposed to be a regime change feels like a bad recipe to me.
I have no evidence to back this up and - like with most opinions I have - am most likely wrong, but I feel like you get your back up over Rodgers criticisms more than those of other players. If I'm wrong, I apologize and will keep my mouth shut (for about 5 minutes
). I don't care about the Jets one way or the other. Keeping on this path just seems like delaying the inevitable.
sheerterror
Footballguy
You made 3 different posts that ended with some iteration of "I get why people hate the guy." Is it possible that hatred or personality isn't weighing in anyone's opinion here? I think multiple posters have laid out at least a dozen different reasons why it DOESN'T make sense to bring back.
You keep referencing the positives. Without just repeating his stats from last season, or referencing that he was coming off of an injury, or is a former MVP or former Super Bowl winner, can you please explain to me why you think this organizationally makes the most sense for the Jets to bring him back, both for the short and long term? Maybe I'm missing something.
And you clipped the rest of my post, which explains why I wouldn't want Rodgers on a struggling franchise trying to find itself. A 40+ QB who you yourself say is in the bottom 1/3 of the NFL players at the position and is bringing a whole lot of "him" to what's supposed to be a regime change feels like a bad recipe to me.
I have no evidence to back this up and - like with most opinions I have - am most likely wrong, but I feel like you get your back up over Rodgers criticisms more than those of other players. If I'm wrong, I apologize and will keep my mouth shut (for about 5 minutes
I don't care about the Jets one way or the other. Keeping on this path just seems like delaying the inevitable.
Thanks. I responded to the point you made in your post that I didn't understand. I thought I'd been pretty clear in what I said on this and understanding the other side but just disagreeing. To say I seem "offended" or "mystified" by the other side of the argument seemed remarkable.
For the rest of your post and a 40 year old QB on a struggling franchise, once again, I understand those concerns and I didn't have an additional thought to add.
If you are able to find something I've written here or "evidence" I'm offended, please share as I'm not remotely "offended" by people thinking Rodgers isn't worth the baggage he brings in their eyes. In fact, that feels like the majority opinion.
I don't think anyone actually "hates" Rodgers. At least I hope not. I fully understand lots of people want "to wash the stink off" and be done with him. That's hardly a hot take.
He was never a long term solution. He wasn't a long term solution the day he arrived there so I hope nobody is thinking in those terms.
For why it makes sense to bring him back, I think he gives them the best chance to win given their options. That's what it feels like people are overestimating in my opinion. This isn't a question of would you rather have Rodgers or Justin Herbert? It's would you rather Rodgers over what you're likely to get? And for me, the answer is no.
I fully understand many would prefer Tyrod Taylor over Rodgers. I'm saying I don't.
But you do agree his stats from last season, the fact he was coming off a devastating injury, the fact he finished super strong, and the fact he was back to back league MVP in 2020-2021 and a first ballot Hall Of Famer means something, right? Or are you saying those have no meaning?
like with most opinions I have - am most likely wrong, but I feel like you get your back up over Rodgers criticisms more than those of other players. If I'm wrong, I apologize and will keep my mouth shut (for about 5 minutes
I will say you're right in I disagree more strongly with how negative some see the "baggage".
No "back up", just I strongly disagree. Things like acting as if wanting the Offensive coordinator you worked with when you posted back-to-back MVP seasons and led the league in offense is somehow egregious, for example.
Of course, it didn't work out. But to act as if Rodgers forced some unqualified noob into the OC position seems wild to me.
TLEF316
Footballguy
If Rodgers is only the 22nd best QB in the NFL at this point(which I think is a fair assessment)....I'm not sure how you really make the argument to bring him back. (if the goal is to try and build a title contender and not just avoid embarrassment by MAYBE sneaking into the playoffs as the 6 or 7 seed and breaking the streak)
You're in a division with Josh Allen. You're in a conference with Mahomes, Lamar, Burrow, Herbert (who I think will be a problem with Harbaugh and a year to build up the weak spots on the roster) , etc. The 22nd best QB doesn't give you a real chance unless the rest of the roster is LOADED (can't make that argument with the Jets....certainly not after this year)
And when the 22nd best QB is 40+ years old(meaning he isn't getting better) ....carries a MASSIVE salary (which has long-term implications that hurt a rebuild if you keep him this year) has a very serious injury on his resume....I'm not sure how you can argue that keeping him is the best thing for the franchise long-term. Would he put up better numbers this upcoming year than any of their other short-term options.....probably. But if all that means is a 50/50 (at best) shot at a wild card....followed by a first playoff loss on the road....I say just rip the band-aid off.
MAYBE the coaching staff was just THAT bad and the new staff is worth a couple of wins right of the bat. Maybe a few key additions to the Defense (Getting Jermaine back from injury, plus a first round pick and a good FA addition) turns the D back around. Maybe they find a kicker who doesn't cost them multiple games. But as a long-time fan of this decrepit franchise, expecting things like this to work out for us seems like a bad bet.
You're in a division with Josh Allen. You're in a conference with Mahomes, Lamar, Burrow, Herbert (who I think will be a problem with Harbaugh and a year to build up the weak spots on the roster) , etc. The 22nd best QB doesn't give you a real chance unless the rest of the roster is LOADED (can't make that argument with the Jets....certainly not after this year)
And when the 22nd best QB is 40+ years old(meaning he isn't getting better) ....carries a MASSIVE salary (which has long-term implications that hurt a rebuild if you keep him this year) has a very serious injury on his resume....I'm not sure how you can argue that keeping him is the best thing for the franchise long-term. Would he put up better numbers this upcoming year than any of their other short-term options.....probably. But if all that means is a 50/50 (at best) shot at a wild card....followed by a first playoff loss on the road....I say just rip the band-aid off.
MAYBE the coaching staff was just THAT bad and the new staff is worth a couple of wins right of the bat. Maybe a few key additions to the Defense (Getting Jermaine back from injury, plus a first round pick and a good FA addition) turns the D back around. Maybe they find a kicker who doesn't cost them multiple games. But as a long-time fan of this decrepit franchise, expecting things like this to work out for us seems like a bad bet.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
You & I are talking past each other. That's my fault for engaging and for posting in a Jets threadlike with most opinions I have - am most likely wrong, but I feel like you get your back up over Rodgers criticisms more than those of other players. If I'm wrong, I apologize and will keep my mouth shut (for about 5 minutes
I will say you're right in I disagree more strongly with how negative some see the "baggage".
No "back up", just I strongly disagree. Things like acting as if wanting the Offensive coordinator you worked with when you posted back-to-back MVP seasons and led the league in offense is somehow egregious, for example.
Of course, it didn't work out. But to act as if Rodgers forced some unqualified noob into the OC position seems wild to me.
. My apologies to all for derailing the discussion.
jwb
Footballguy
For me, as a big Jet fan, I have (seemingly) not read or heard anything in the last two years about the Jets that doesn't include Rodgers. Rookie article by a beat writer? It's half about Rodgers. I know I'm probably exaggerating and we could probably find stuff that doesn't include AR, but man it's hard.
Honestly, the way it feels, he may as well have been the coach and GM for the last two years. You may not feel that unless you're a fan reading stuff in the Daily News and Post while listening to WFAN every day, But it's overwhelming in Jet land, and personally, I'm kind of done with it. I prefer Glenn to have a clean slate without this cloud. That said, a big part of this is certainly media driven, so if Rodgers can be all "your team, your way, I'll throw it where you want" with the coaches and they are 100% truly on the same page, I'm ok with it.
The Jets finished last season with a 5-12 record, leaving many areas in need of improvement. Jets fans might be puzzled by the decision to bring Aaron Rodgers back for the 2025 season. It could be more beneficial to develop a younger quarterback or make another attempt to draft a QB in the first round for the third time in recent years.
You & I are talking past each other. That's my fault for engaging and for posting in a Jets threadlike with most opinions I have - am most likely wrong, but I feel like you get your back up over Rodgers criticisms more than those of other players. If I'm wrong, I apologize and will keep my mouth shut (for about 5 minutes
I will say you're right in I disagree more strongly with how negative some see the "baggage".
No "back up", just I strongly disagree. Things like acting as if wanting the Offensive coordinator you worked with when you posted back-to-back MVP seasons and led the league in offense is somehow egregious, for example.
Of course, it didn't work out. But to act as if Rodgers forced some unqualified noob into the OC position seems wild to me.
I don't think we're talking past each other. I think we're hearing each other and replying. Or I know I am hearing you and replying to what you're saying.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Looking a bit more too. I think I need to adjust and say I'd rank him more in the 15-20 range.
The thing that is different about Rodgers than some others is having so much more of a track record to go on.
The thing that is different about Rodgers than some others is having so much more of a track record to go on.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
His track record is the past. He’s now 41. I think what he did last season is more indicative of what he is than what he was 5-10 years ago.
With all due respect ranking him as the 15th best QB in the NFL heading into 2025 tells me you didn’t watch him play much last season. I don’t blame you, they were terrible.
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While past performance isn't always a reliable indicator of future success, my experiences have shown me that it's crucial to look beyond the big names. Instead, focus on players' current form, team dynamics, and their potential for the upcoming season. Aaron should retire but the competitive drive in him and leaving money on the table probably will result in someone taking a chance on him. I just hope the Jets and Steelers don't bite on him.
I'm not neutral
With all due respect, we'll disagree there. I watched him a lot. I watched him as he posted the 8th most passing yards in the leagues. But thanks.
With all due respect, we'll disagree there. I watched him a lot. I watched him as he posted the 8th most passing yards in the leagues. But thanks.
That's also a good example of how we can have better discussion here.
I disagreed with your ranking of Justin Fields. That's fine. Being able to do that without throwing in the "your ranking tells me you didn't watch football" is a plus when possible.
I doesn't matter for me. But in general, the board will have much better discussion if we can do less of the insults like that.
For a more interesting discussion (at least to me), what percent chance do you folks who follow the Jets closely think Rodgers is the QB for 2025?
I'd say 30%
I'd say 30%
TomServo
Footballguy
I would say 80%. I think the Jets run him out with real coaches and have interesting games in November. As a Jets fan, I couldn't ask for much more than having a legitimate chance at making the playoffs. Maybe my bar is so low that people trip over it, but it has been a tough go rooting for the Jets the last 5 decades.
I think the only reason he doesn't play for the Jets is retirement or wanting to play for a contender, a la Brady to the Bucs.
Thanks GB. I can totally see that.
And to be sure, when I say 30%, that's just pure speculation on my part. I truly have no idea. I'm mostly just judging by the sentiments here and Glenn's silence on it. Although I'm not sure that really means too much.
jwb
Footballguy
30% sounds about right. I could see either way working out though. It'll hinge on his buy-in with Glenn.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don’t think I quite went that far. I’ve been very respectful- you’re taking it a bit out of context. Saying “Do you even watch football” to a guy running Footballguys would be pretty bizarre insult.
I mean it’s hard to watch every game and the Jets weren’t exactly must see TV. We in here torture ourselves but there’s usually better games on. I watch a lot of football but there’s plenty of QBs I probably haven’t seen a majority of their games or I may see bits and pieces watching RedZone. That’s all I really meant.
We’ve beat this topic to death anyway so I’ll step away from the conversation
I do apologize, however, because sure I could have worded it differently.
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Thanks GB. No worries.
I do think it'll be interesting to see how this progresses. Obviously, there's a wide range of opinions on what they should do.
I'm kind of hoping he moves on and gets to a new situation where it seems he 's more wanted. But I don't know how much that really matters to players. We'll see.
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow. Without being insulting, I’m having a hard time believing we have to argue about Nathaniel Hackett. That guy was a nepo baby that rode Rodgers’s coattails wherever he went, and when he couldn’t do that he got fired quickly.
Guy is a stiff as OC and HC, and everybody knows it now. He won that OC award due to Rodgers and was hired by the Jets to lure Rodgers into coming by signaling that he could (Rodgers) run his own offense the way he did in Green Bay.
That’s the real story there. Not that Hackett was good in any way, shape, or form.
Guy is a stiff as OC and HC, and everybody knows it now. He won that OC award due to Rodgers and was hired by the Jets to lure Rodgers into coming by signaling that he could (Rodgers) run his own offense the way he did in Green Bay.
That’s the real story there. Not that Hackett was good in any way, shape, or form.
rockaction
Footballguy
I mean, he didn’t even get a full season in Denver before they fired him after that Rams debacle in L.A.
He’s lucky he got a free flight after that year.
He’s lucky he got a free flight after that year.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'd say it's 50-60% that he's the QB. Sounds to me like Glenn would prefer to move on, but I don't see who they're going to go with. I think they should clear house, but we're still wedded to the big four draft picks from 2022 (Sauce, Wilson, Johnson, Hall) in the owner's mind, so we go with that thought and that in mind.
Interesting.
I see it as pretty easy for the guy who was the QB and back to back MVPs with his OC to want to work with him again.
Obviously, hindsight is 20-20. But it seems easy at least to me to see why Rodgers would have wanted him.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh sure. But I’m pretty sure Rodgers was running the offense Rodgers wanted with all the late checks into plays rather than running the play called by the OC. I think Hackett’s acquiescence in this played a big role in his desirability. His hiring in Denver was said to be a gambit for Rodgers’ services. When that didn’t happen, everybody was surprised.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I think Joe's DeLorean ran out of fuel before it could land in 2024 . Rodgers was terrible this past season except for the last few games. Even that in itself is kind of a blanket statement because he was horrific against Buffalo. Even in those games in which he put up nice stats (the defense was bad and he had to put up points), he missed open receivers and threw the ball into the dirt plenty of times. Magically it was always the receiver's fault according to Rodgers. It could never be his fault.
Rodgers may have been great in past years and is a Hall of Famer without doubt, but he's not that now. The past has nothing to do with the present. It would be fair to attribute some of that to rust, injuries, aging, and terrible coaching.
And yes, he's still better than whatever we have and is available, but for how long and at what cost?
Rodgers is still a sideshow clown and the people that follow this team every day know it. The guy that said the Jets need to ignore the "outside noise" was the one constantly creating it including the Jimmy Fallon and Fauci comments right after his "outside noise" comments. He has no self awareness and is hypocritical. He constantly threw teammates under the bus on the field and sometimes in the press (Mike Williams, G Wilson, etc).
I'm just a fan. If they keep him, fine. Not my decision, but they better start thinking of a long term plan. If they let him go, good riddance (and take Michael Clemons, another dope, with him).
Rodgers may have been great in past years and is a Hall of Famer without doubt, but he's not that now. The past has nothing to do with the present. It would be fair to attribute some of that to rust, injuries, aging, and terrible coaching.
And yes, he's still better than whatever we have and is available, but for how long and at what cost?
Rodgers is still a sideshow clown and the people that follow this team every day know it. The guy that said the Jets need to ignore the "outside noise" was the one constantly creating it including the Jimmy Fallon and Fauci comments right after his "outside noise" comments. He has no self awareness and is hypocritical. He constantly threw teammates under the bus on the field and sometimes in the press (Mike Williams, G Wilson, etc).
I'm just a fan. If they keep him, fine. Not my decision, but they better start thinking of a long term plan. If they let him go, good riddance (and take Michael Clemons, another dope, with him).
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Same. I’d of course root for him to be successful if he came back. My preference is a fresh start with a QB that has a potential future.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
You're getting your wish per Jay Glazer who just reported that Rodgers met with the team last week and was told they are moving on without him. Post-June cut
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It’s the logical decision- so un-Jetslike.
zamboni
Footballguy
I just hope they don’t trade up to get either Ward or Sanders.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don’t think they even have the assets to do so but my guess is that’s not in their plans.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
As a long suffering Nets fan as well as Jets fan - what did I do to deserve this - reminds me of the failed KD experiment. It was worth the shot - stinks it didnt work out. I really would have liked to have seen him that 1st year without getting hurt.
I give credit to the new regime for making a quick and decisive call and ripping the band aid off. I assume Devante is next, cutting Rodgers (post 6/1), Devante and Lazard opens up about $50M on the cap where they already had $20M. So not a bad situation to rebuild - lots of options.
I give credit to the new regime for making a quick and decisive call and ripping the band aid off. I assume Devante is next, cutting Rodgers (post 6/1), Devante and Lazard opens up about $50M on the cap where they already had $20M. So not a bad situation to rebuild - lots of options.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
They may not have to - Sanders could fall
Lot of chatter about Jaxson Dart moving up the boards - If he grades well I wouldnt mind a trade down to get more assets and take him mid to late 1st
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m not sure what they’ll do, or even what they should do but I’d prefer for them to not chase a first round QB in this draft. Rather a free agent guy and a mid round QB.
Next year if the free agent doesn’t work out they can look to draft a QB.
I’m sticking with Fields as to who I would like to see get a first shot - but while it usually backfires on me I’ll trust this new regime to figure it out. Personally I like the first step.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don’t think they’ll get that chance but I would hope they pass if he’s there for them.
Glazer post from above:
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I wonder how that went down exactly with Jets. I expect it will be popular with the fanbase if it really did go down as Glazer is saying. Power move to make the guy fly across the country to fire him.
I think it'll be great for Rodgers to move on. Would expect Adams to go as well and I'm sure that'll be popular.
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I wonder how that went down exactly with Jets. I expect it will be popular with the fanbase if it really did go down as Glazer is saying. Power move to make the guy fly across the country to fire him.
I think it'll be great for Rodgers to move on. Would expect Adams to go as well and I'm sure that'll be popular.
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NYRAGE
Footballguy
Glazer post from above:
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I wonder how that went down exactly with Jets. I expect it will be popular with the fanbase if it really did go down as Glazer is saying. Power move to make the guy fly across the country to fire him.
I think it'll be great for Rodgers to move on. Would expect Adams to go as well and I'm sure that'll be cheered.
Nah, most people like Adams. He's not the self-absorbed tool like other guy. Adams played well last season for us. It's just not practical to rebuild with a 32 year old WR making $30m a year.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Definitely power move - I think most Jets fans are ok with it. I could have gone either way but must say I like the decisiveness.Glazer post from above:
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I wonder how that went down exactly with Jets. I expect it will be popular with the fanbase if it really did go down as Glazer is saying. Power move to make the guy fly across the country to fire him.
I think it'll be great for Rodgers to move on. Would expect Adams to go as well and I'm sure that'll be cheered.
QB will once again be the story of the offseason - lots of possibilities - I will enjoy going back to our usual 1pm Sunday spot....not a fan of the constant prime time games with AR!
I can't say I agree.Glazer post from above:
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I wonder how that went down exactly with Jets. I expect it will be popular with the fanbase if it really did go down as Glazer is saying. Power move to make the guy fly across the country to fire him.
I think it'll be great for Rodgers to move on. Would expect Adams to go as well and I'm sure that'll be cheered.
Nah, most people like Adams. He's not the self-absorbed tool like other guy. Adams played well last season for us. It's just not practical to rebuild with a 32 year old WR making $30m a year.
Really?