Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter Kiddnets
- Start date
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Seems like solid moves so far. I like that the first thing Glenn did was kick Keith Carter to the curb.
Once they look at personnel, I hope Clemons is the first one to get booted into the sun.
Gotta think they have already decided on Rodgers. I can't imagine they keep him especially bringing in a first-time OC. He spent all season alienating Wilson. I can't imagine that they would allow him to undermine the new OC, especially if it's Engstrand. Run with Tyrod and make GW5 the focal point of the new offense. At least Tyrod knew to pass to Wilson. Draft or sign another QB for when Tyrod eventually gets hurt. Then kick out Lazard and all of his other cronies.
fatness
Footballguy
I think Wilks is a good hire. He never should have lost his gig at Carolina after he was promoted to HC mid-season and led a terrible roster to a 6-6 record in his 12 games as HC. Players play hard for him.
Last edited:
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Agreed - and besides being a good coach with HC experience for AG to lean on, it allows AG to be more of a CEO and not get enticed to concentrate on the defense like the other failed Jets DC HCs. Not to mention his failure at HC makes it unlikely he'll be poached if the Jets turn it around.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Drain the swamp
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't think they have, NYRAGE. If the way they're talking about him is any indication, they seem amenable to having him back. Nothing but praise for Rodgers from the GM. Glenn was a little more noncommittal in saying that they weren't answering questions because they hadn't finished evaluating the situation.
If they knew they were moving on, I think they would have said so by now. I think they're really going to evaluate it, and the more they do, the more they're going to figure out they can't run it back with him. But that's just me. We know these guys lie through their teeth to the media; it just seems like there's no benefit to that here.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Im sure they will have discussions because if they are considering bringing him back it will have to be on a new contract. There have been indications they wont let it drag so not going to wait for ARs usual darkness retreat. Decision is solely up to th new regime.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed - I'm sure they want to make sure they have a Plan B if they don't want Rodgers back. And it may take some time to have a Plan B at this point, well before free agency and the rookie draft.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Does anyone know roughly what the dead cap ramifications are if Rodgers is cut/retires/signs some sort of new deal? Are we sitting on dead money with him no matter what the outcome is here?
NYRAGE
Footballguy
We'll see. Rodgers does help them win the most next season, but I'm betting on they move on because:
1) Glenn just said it's about the team and not one player, while everything with Rodgers is about me, me, me. His type of offense. His cadence. His players. Him choosing to go to Egypt instead of camp. Him throwing players under the bus for not reading his mind when plays break down. Him alienating G Wilson. His records and forcing the ball to his guys. Him having to deal with an inexperienced new OC. His timeline for coming back. Does anyone trust Rodgers to be a team guy after all these years even if he agrees to be a team player?
2) Even if they decided to bring him back and he wants to come back, then what happens the following year? Do we have to go through his timeline and a darkness retreat again? Another year of getting older. Not exactly the best way to build sustained success relying on a 40+ year old QB.
I think Glenn and Moog had to present a plan to Woody during their interviews. They're not exactly going to express it publicly now. I'm sure they want to come off as being diligent and thorough about it. I'm sure Woody wants to dump him and is saying the right thing publicly (leaving it up to them).
Plan B doesn't have to be more specific than saying they are drafting another QB or adding someone like Fields to compete with Taylor for this year until they draft another QB (maybe the following year).
If they decide to keep Rodgers for next year, then that's fine. I just hope they have an honest realistic discussion of what they can accomplish next season with Rodgers vs long-term success of starting fresh.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
The dead money is coming no matter what. It's just a matter of when you want to take it. Here is an article with a detailed discussion of his cap impacts.
Agent's Take: Why Jets cutting ties with Aaron Rodgers after 2024 season would be prudent move for franchise
With the math adding up, it's time for the Jets to move on from the future Hall of Fame QB
www.cbssports.com
Kiddnets
Footballguy
All fair points
However AG wants to win now and it may be important to stabilize the situation and not have 2 lousy QBs for another 5 win season. This roster can compete for the playoffs now with AR, a solid coaching staff and a kicker who can make a FG when it counts!
Rodgers is absolutely a diva but I dont see him as toxic like a Kyrie - still hate him for what he did to my Nets superstar team - I doubt he wants to go somewhere else and probably has 1 more year in him. He has indicated he would rework his deal and even take a pay cut. If thats the case then why not roll one more year with Rodgers. The new deal could keep them out of cap hell, give AG a much better chance to establish a winning culture - and hopefully draft a QB in day 2 or 3 to develop for a year.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I'm not going to cry if Rodgers comes back, but I might cry if it causes Wilson to want out. One more year of Rodgers forcing the ball to everyone except Wilson for maybe a winning season vs 7-8 more years of Wilson is an easy one for me.
All of us would love a playoff season after all these miserable years, but it's not like Denver with Bo Nix who gets to build on it. We'll just be kicking the QB problem a year down the road, not to mention the cap hit. It's not going away even if he re-works his deal. It would just push it down the road.
Those day 2 or day 3 QBs are a pipe-dream imo. We couldn't even hit on the second overall pick or most of our second rounders, much less later picks. Gotta pray that the Moog is better than the Fat Man.
We probably won't be in position to draft a decent QB until next year's draft, but a winning season just makes it more unilkely. I rather roll with Tyrod personally. Just deal with the cap and culture now, but I'm not in charge. I will still be rooting for them like an idiot come August no matter what they do.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah. Same here. I will say that I will root much less enthusiastically if Rodgers runs this back without demonstrating that he wants to be a team guy first. No cronies, no anything.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
agreed - and if contingent on Wilson and him get on same page - def not alienating him for 1 yr of AR -
rockaction
Footballguy
I have to say that it wasn’t so much the kicker as Rodgers’s age that did us in. That offense looked flat anemic at times, even while it was looking ten times better than under Z. Wilson. We still had miles to go and promises to keep.
I just don’t want to paper over that it wasn’t good by blaming the kicker. We were downright mediocre on offense.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Offense definitely wasnt firing early but they put the team in a position to win a few times where kicking, defense and coaching blew it as well - not that im giving the O a pass.
Also think AR was hurt far worse than the team let on - you could see the difference from the start of season. Rodgers also had a top 5 season for a QB in Jets history -
Im not for running him out of town to roll with Taylor/Fields unless it has to be done. If Rodgers redoes his contract it could be a big benefit to the team as they are going to get crushed with a cap hit at some point - maybe they can come to an agreement that works.
I do have a feeling he's gone - AG was pretty blunt as to Rodgers at his presser - and likely hiring a rookie OC doesnt seem to coincide with keeping him but we'll see - from what Im reading a decision should be made by combine.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm going back and doing a recap of the year with basic stats in tow. Do you guys know how many times Breece touched the ball to run it in sixteen games? Anyone want to venture a guess?
13 times a game. I get that he's taking hits in the receiving game, too, but that's not enough times to run the football per game with your best back.
13 times a game. I get that he's taking hits in the receiving game, too, but that's not enough times to run the football per game with your best back.
rockaction
Footballguy
That simply tells you how bad the QB position has been for the Jets over the years. Ken O'Brien for a few years and Testaverde for a year or two and then who? Sanchez? Nope.
They've been that bad this long. It's nearly criminal they haven't just ponied up the cash at some point and signed a free agent.
As long as we're wishcasting, Seattle might cut Geno because of the way his contract is structured. I would very much welcome him on the Jets. Despite what people think about Metcalf, he isn't a 1A and Wilson is. Put him with Wilson, Davante, and another WR and you're cooking with gas.
I take your point, though. Rodgers was not bad and the offense was leaps and bounds ahead of where it was since Sam Darnold was named starter.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I thought Rodgers was pretty horrific in the first half of the year. How much of that was rust, how much of that was T Smith being an unexpected sieve, and how much was attributed to him being hurt throughout the season is fair to ask.
He was pretty good over the second half, but he also missed a lot of big plays. Fair to say at his age that he's not a top QB anymore, but he's still better than average imo.
Now, the official boogeyman in all of this is how horrific our coaching was. When you design plays where 2-3 receivers end up in the same spot, you know there is a problem. Things got better in the second half with Downing over Nepo-Dumb-dumb Hackett. Still when you look at other teams, they scheme guys open. We didn't.
Engstrand can't be worse, right?
FairWarning
Footballguy
The jets need to move on from ARod now. They are most likely not making the playoffs because of him, so now you need a qb. You draft a qb in AG’s 2nd year,, he’s looking to win vs developing - now you stunt the development of the qb. I’ve seen this script with the Bears over and over with the same results. If the Jets draft their qb now, they are in the honeymoon phase with the coach and the qb. Also gives their OC some input in who he wants.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Jets filled out rest of staff - only one of note is Scott Turner as an offensive assistant. hated him as the OC but ok with him as an assistant. May get a 2-1 with his dad being involved. Dont know much about Tanny but love where he came from and after reading a lot of Lions fan reaction they are bummed hes leaving so good sign. I
With the staff in place I expect a few weeks of quiet before Rodgers decision being the next domino to fall.
With the staff in place I expect a few weeks of quiet before Rodgers decision being the next domino to fall.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Put me in the camp that would rather not have Rodgers back. I’d rather a small drop off of Tyrod Taylor for a season while we clean his and the prior regimes stink off.
I’d be on board with Justin Fields being brought in if he’s willing to take a short term deal.
I’d be on board with Justin Fields being brought in if he’s willing to take a short term deal.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
To make it worse the guys at the top of the Jets single season passing records are one year wonder journeyman like Testeverde and Fitzpatrick.
If you don’t count Namath, their all time best QBs are O’Brien or Chad Pennington. Sanchez actually has a legit argument. That’s pretty amazing.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I don't count Namath. He was more famous than he was good. If the Colts hadn't thrown SBIII, hardly anyone would remember him nowadays.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Im very much at peace with the situation - I have faith that it will be quick - and if he comes back everyone is on board and there will be a plan in place contract wise as well as future. If they rip off the band aid then im fine with that as well.
Could do worse than a Tyrod/Fields competition - Fields is still young with upside - not crazy to imagine a Baker type jump if the lights go on.
It's an interesting spot. And always good to have the "at peace" position on it.
As far as doing worse than Tyrod/Fields, I'm not sure. It's possible of course. But I wonder how likely. That's a pretty low bar.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I can name a number of teams just last season that had a worse QB situation than a Fields/Taylor combination including Las Vegas, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, NY Giants, Indianapolis and Jacksonville.
Last edited:
Fields would be a good fit. Get back to running the ball and playing defense. As an aside, I think Fields is vastly underrated. Steelers were 4-2 with him, and 6-6 with Wilson. Sure, Fields isn't a great passer, but he's an elite runner, and has gotten a lot better about not turning the ball over. He's absolutely a top-32 NFL QB, and he's never had much of a supporting cast, NY has much more talent than anything Fields has had so far, and there is already a familiarity with Garrett Wilson as he and Olave were a 1A/1B with Fields at Ohio State.
Fields has also gotten better as a passer every season. His completion percentage has increased every year, and his INT% has decreased every year, which in turn has led to his passer rating increasing every year. Believe it or not, Fields passer rating (so not counting his rushing at all, which was an 800-14 pace this season) was better than such names as Geno Smith, CJ Stroud, Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence, and of course Aaron Rodgers, and all of those guys had better weapons around them.
I think Rodgers has passed the point where his play justifies his headache. Fields would likely be an upgrade (potentially a big one) and even just going with Tyrod would be a sideways move.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I was actually rooting for them to draft Fields over Zach - I know it didnt work out for him in Chicago but he has shown flashes and I think he looked improved in Pitt. Bottom line is a team could win with him - and I wouldnt trust Tyrod to stay healthy anyway so they need to bring someone else in. I dont think Fields would cost too much either. He'd be hungry for a shot to be a full time starter again
I do think Fields could be interesting. Starting Taylor would be giving up before the season started in my opinion.
Both give them way less chance to win than Rodgers in my opinion.
But should be fun.
Both give them way less chance to win than Rodgers in my opinion.
But should be fun.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I guess? I mean I'd love to hear how those teams had better QB rooms than a Fields/Taylor combo - Fields went 4-2 last season while all of those teams are picking in the Top 10 mostly because they had horrible QB play.
Minshew, O'Connell, Rudolph, Levis, Watson, Winston, Daniel Jones, Tommy Cutlets, Lawrence, Mac Jones, Richardson, Flacco.... I'm not seeing how you can really make that claim???
Fields is easily better than all of them and Taylor is better than most of them. I don't even think this is remotely controversial.
Pittsburgh would be the only one I'd even consider was possibly better but personally I don't think Russell Wilson is good anymore and would rather have Tyrod Taylor who people seem to forget was a very good QB for many years in Buffalo and looked like the best QB on the two New York teams the last two seasons when he got his shot.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I wouldnt rely on taylor by himself - only if they brought in another decent option. I personally like Fields - at least hes young with upside.
Rodgers on paper would definitely give them more of a chance to win but its possible the new regime wants a fresh start...or Rodgers doesnt want a reset - and the biggest issue of all is his contract where if it doesnt get reworked is a massive hit for the next 2 yrs vs ripping the band aid off now.
Again, you have a much higher opinion of Taylor and Fields. It'll be interesting.
Starting Taylor is giving up. Hoping Fields becomes a viable starter on the 3rd try is something to hope for.
But I'd much rather have a focused Hall of Famer if he's got enough left in the tank. Both of those are questions.
Yes. Much of this will be if Rodgers can be focused. We'll have to see there.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Or I have a low opinion of all those other QBs I named to show that a Fields/Taylor QB room wouldn’t be the worst in the league. I obviously wouldn’t call it a slam dunk duo that would take the Jets to the Super Bowl next season but it’s my opinion of the best option out there.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Fields was 4-2 last season and was playing very well - his stats were posted a few posts back.
Many Steeler homers and NFL analysts did not like Tomlinson going to Wilson - and it proved to be a mistake. So I’m not sure I agree with how you framed it. I think he was a viable stater last season.
I don’t think he’s one of the best QBs in the league but he would provide this offense with a different dynamic that is the winning formula in the NFL now. Look at the final four QBs: Allen, Hurts, Daniels and Mahomes. Fields needs some work to pass like those guys but he has the arm talent and obviously the athleticism to play in todays NFL.
Awesome. I'd prefer Rodgers over Taylor and Fields but different opinions are what makes the game fun.
Last edited:
This is the better way to ask it: Where would you rank Fields among QBs based on real NFL QB value? Without regard to contract.
Last edited:
zamboni
Footballguy
Let's see if they actually bring Fields in, but I think there's room for him to grow as a passer. He was known as a good passer at Ohio State, and while that's a long cry from the NFL when you're playing down to much of your competition, it still might be in him. He was starting to make strides before the Bears moved on from him, and maybe with the right surrounding ecosystem, he could be reasonably effective. Whether the Jets are a better ecosystem remains to be seen, but certainly seems better than what they - and the Bears - had.
Last edited:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Right now there’s risk so I’d put him in about the QB18-22 range but with upside if he improves as a passer.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Rodgers may be a slightly better QB than Fields or Taylor still at this point but the guy is a cancer and his antics aren’t worth the juice he brings anymore. Plus Fields is obviously much younger and if he hits they don’t have to look for yet another QB in 2026.
And don’t sell me on Rodgers “buying in” as his history shows that’s a long shot even if he gives it lip service now.
Last edited:
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
This feels about right to me.
I also agree with your subsequent post in that I wouldn't want Aaron Rodgers anywhere near a franchise trying to stabilize its culture (whether that can happen or not is dependent on a bunch of variables, but that's another story). I think he's a mess for a team trying to grow. I'd rather lose 14 games without him than lose only 10 with him.
sheerterror
Footballguy
I truly cannot grasp how people would want Rodgers back simply because he MIGHT 'be the best option available.' This is an incredibly short sighted, Joe Benigno-esq thought process that involves NEEDING the team to somehow be competitive or win (lol) next year. This isn't about next year. Not anymore. Hasn't been for a long time.
The whole organization needed a facelift and a culture change. The first year of this regime is/should be about figuring out who should be here 'long term' and hopefully instilling a winning culture with competently coached and played football - ESPECIALLY given the overall immaturity/malcontentedness that has developed over time in this locker room, exacerbated by Saleh's inability to ever control these dumb kids from not spewing every thought on their minds on social media.
This dinosaur thought process of caring so much about next season, versus setting up a sustainable long term foundation that allows YEAR IN YEAR OUT competitiveness, as opposed to one and done smoke and mirror "win now" windows that we've had for 13 months in the past, is exactly what will keep this team stuck in the mud, never finding an actual franchise QB, and toiling away with 5-7 win seasons indefinitely. It's time to stop this cycle of stupidity.
Last edited: