Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (1 Viewer)

[zamboni]

I don’t think he’s one of the best QBs in the league but he would provide this offense with a different dynamic that is the winning formula in the NFL now

This is the better way to ask it: Where would you rank Fields among QBs based on real NFL QB value? Without regard to contract.

Right now there’s risk so I’d put him in about the QB18-22 range but with upside if he improves as a passer.

This feels about right to me.

I also agree with your subsequent post in that I wouldn't want Aaron Rodgers anywhere near a franchise trying to stabilize its culture (whether that can happen or not is dependent on a bunch of variables, but that's another story). I think he's a mess for a team trying to grow. I'd rather lose 14 games without him than lose only 10 with him.

I could be wrong, but it seems like Glenn wants no part of a Rodgers circus and wants to create his own stamp on the team's culture. Hard to do that if you have a QB that has the owner's ear (and wallet).

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I don’t think he’s one of the best QBs in the league but he would provide this offense with a different dynamic that is the winning formula in the NFL now

This is the better way to ask it: Where would you rank Fields among QBs based on real NFL QB value? Without regard to contract.

Right now there’s risk so I’d put him in about the QB18-22 range but with upside if he improves as a passer.

This feels about right to me.

I also agree with your subsequent post in that I wouldn't want Aaron Rodgers anywhere near a franchise trying to stabilize its culture (whether that can happen or not is dependent on a bunch of variables, but that's another story). I think he's a mess for a team trying to grow. I'd rather lose 14 games without him than lose only 10 with him.

I could be wrong, but it seems like Glenn wants no part of a Rodgers circus and wants to create his own stamp on the team's culture. Hard to do that if you have a QB that has the owner's ear (and wallet).

I agree with Glenn. I have no idea if he'll be a good HC, but I'm guessing he won't be with Rodgers at QB.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I don’t think he’s one of the best QBs in the league but he would provide this offense with a different dynamic that is the winning formula in the NFL now

This is the better way to ask it: Where would you rank Fields among QBs based on real NFL QB value? Without regard to contract.

Right now there’s risk so I’d put him in about the QB18-22 range but with upside if he improves as a passer.

This feels about right to me.

I also agree with your subsequent post in that I wouldn't want Aaron Rodgers anywhere near a franchise trying to stabilize its culture (whether that can happen or not is dependent on a bunch of variables, but that's another story). I think he's a mess for a team trying to grow. I'd rather lose 14 games without him than lose only 10 with him.

I could be wrong, but it seems like Glenn wants no part of a Rodgers circus and wants to create his own stamp on the team's culture. Hard to do that if you have a QB that has the owner's ear (and wallet).

I agree with Glenn. I have no idea if he'll be a good HC, but I'm guessing he won't be with Rodgers at QB.

I don't think people that weren't paying a lot of attention realize the damage Rodgers did to this franchise (not that they were Baltimore or New England before that of course).

His "love" for Nathaniel Hackett...his role in having Salah fired (not that he didn't deserve it)... the Jets going out and signing "his guys", bums like Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb...and when those guys were not enough then giving up assets they can't afford to give up to get Adams...Rodgers missing camp to go to Egypt...the lies he spins... his warped "politics"... throwing teammates under the bus while taking zero responsibility...and last but not least looking like trash for 70% of the season.

Bringing him back would be insanity.

 

[Kiddnets]

I don’t think he’s one of the best QBs in the league but he would provide this offense with a different dynamic that is the winning formula in the NFL now

This is the better way to ask it: Where would you rank Fields among QBs based on real NFL QB value? Without regard to contract.

Right now there’s risk so I’d put him in about the QB18-22 range but with upside if he improves as a passer.

This feels about right to me.

I also agree with your subsequent post in that I wouldn't want Aaron Rodgers anywhere near a franchise trying to stabilize its culture (whether that can happen or not is dependent on a bunch of variables, but that's another story). I think he's a mess for a team trying to grow. I'd rather lose 14 games without him than lose only 10 with him.

I could be wrong, but it seems like Glenn wants no part of a Rodgers circus and wants to create his own stamp on the team's culture. Hard to do that if you have a QB that has the owner's ear (and wallet).

I agree with Glenn. I have no idea if he'll be a good HC, but I'm guessing he won't be with Rodgers at QB.

I don't think people that weren't paying a lot of attention realize the damage Rodgers did to this franchise (not that they were Baltimore or New England before that of course).

His "love" for Nathaniel Hackett...his role in having Salah fired (not that he didn't deserve it)... the Jets going out and singning "his guys", bums like Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb...then giving up assets they can't afford to give up to get Adams...Rodgers missing camp to go to Egypt...the lies he spins... his warped "politics"... throwing teammates under the bus while taking zero responsibility...and last but not least looking like trash for 70% of the season.

Bringing him back would be insanity.

desperation is an ugly thing! Blame JD and Woody for treating 40 yr old Rodgers like prime MVP Rodgers. He got way to much influence but I do sometimes wonder how things would have turned out that 1st season if he didnt get hurt. Team was stacked - last yr Jd did too much tinkering.

Im absolutely fine with moving on from Rodgers but can see a path where if they can make the numbers work, agree to a much more team friendly contract for him to come back but on the team's terms as a bridge QB.

I think the silence speaks a lot tho - if Glenn really wanted Rodgers back he sure didnt show it at his presser.

 

[zamboni]

Im absolutely fine with moving on from Rodgers but can see a path where if they can make the numbers work, agree to a much more team friendly contract for him to come back but on the team's terms as a bridge QB.

I think the silence speaks a lot tho - if Glenn really wanted Rodgers back he sure didnt show it at his presser.

That's the thing though - I don't see Rodgers and his ego accepting that, and if/when things go south, it's going to create another bad situation/distraction. Presumably Glenn is reading the tea leaves as such.

Hopefully they just release him and he becomes another team's distraction. There are certainly several QB needy teams out there that might be more willing to take that risk.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

With our luck watch Rodgers go to the Giants and win a Super Bowl

 

[Joe Bryant]

Again, you have a much higher opinion of Taylor and Fields. It'll be interesting.

Or I have a low opinion of all those other QBs I named to show that a Fields/Taylor QB room wouldn’t be the worst in the league. I obviously wouldn’t call it a slam dunk duo that would take the Jets to the Super Bowl next season but it’s my opinion of the best option out there.

Awesome. I'd prefer Rodgers over Taylor and Fields but different opinions are what makes the game fun.

Rodgers may be a slightly better QB than Fields or Taylor still at this point but the guy is a cancer and his antics aren’t worth the juice he brings anymore. Plus Fields is obviously much younger and if he hits they don’t have to look for yet another QB in 2026.

And don’t sell me on Rodgers “buying in” as his history shows that’s a long shot even if he gives it lip service now.

I've less than zero interest in trying to sell you anything on Rodgers.

I have a different opinion than you on him being a cancer.

I also think he's a significantly better QB than Fields or Taylor.

But as I said, different opinions are what makes this fun.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Again, you have a much higher opinion of Taylor and Fields. It'll be interesting.

Or I have a low opinion of all those other QBs I named to show that a Fields/Taylor QB room wouldn’t be the worst in the league. I obviously wouldn’t call it a slam dunk duo that would take the Jets to the Super Bowl next season but it’s my opinion of the best option out there.

Awesome. I'd prefer Rodgers over Taylor and Fields but different opinions are what makes the game fun.

Rodgers may be a slightly better QB than Fields or Taylor still at this point but the guy is a cancer and his antics aren’t worth the juice he brings anymore. Plus Fields is obviously much younger and if he hits they don’t have to look for yet another QB in 2026.

And don’t sell me on Rodgers “buying in” as his history shows that’s a long shot even if he gives it lip service now.

I've less than zero interest in trying to sell you anything on Rodgers.

I have a different opinion than you on him being a cancer.

I also think he's a significantly better QB than Fields or Taylor.

But as I said, different opinions are what makes this fun.

Ok.

 

[Kiddnets]

Again, you have a much higher opinion of Taylor and Fields. It'll be interesting.

Or I have a low opinion of all those other QBs I named to show that a Fields/Taylor QB room wouldn’t be the worst in the league. I obviously wouldn’t call it a slam dunk duo that would take the Jets to the Super Bowl next season but it’s my opinion of the best option out there.

Awesome. I'd prefer Rodgers over Taylor and Fields but different opinions are what makes the game fun.

Rodgers may be a slightly better QB than Fields or Taylor still at this point but the guy is a cancer and his antics aren’t worth the juice he brings anymore. Plus Fields is obviously much younger and if he hits they don’t have to look for yet another QB in 2026.

And don’t sell me on Rodgers “buying in” as his history shows that’s a long shot even if he gives it lip service now.

I've less than zero interest in trying to sell you anything on Rodgers.

I have a different opinion than you on him being a cancer.

I also think he's a significantly better QB than Fields or Taylor.

But as I said, different opinions are what makes this fun.

Im more in the middle of you and Doc - AR is a very polarizing player obviously. He does bring a lot of baggage and it is fair to be concerned that this could be an anchor to a new regime. I also think he is the best option to win now - and I think the roster could win now.

I could see Glenn doing either - wipe the slate clean or go with AR for short term while finding a new QB. The fact that he completely ignored AR at his presser leads me to believe he will move on but maybe he does stay but Glenn sending a message that no more special treatment. Its the first and biggest domino that has to fall and I expect it soon.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The fact that he completely ignored AR at his presser leads me to believe he will move on but maybe he does stay but Glenn sending a message that no more special treatment. Its the first and biggest domino that has to fall and I expect it soon.

Thanks. Are you saying he's sent the message of no more special treatment or you expect it soon?

Can you elaborate on what kind of special treatment he's getting now?

 

[Kiddnets]

The fact that he completely ignored AR at his presser leads me to believe he will move on but maybe he does stay but Glenn sending a message that no more special treatment. Its the first and biggest domino that has to fall and I expect it soon.

Thanks. Are you saying he's sent the message of no more special treatment or you expect it soon?

Can you elaborate on what kind of special treatment he's getting now?

Im speculating that if AR stays his special treatment ends - Doc gave a pretty good list of it - hiring his buddy coach and players who are terrible; skipping mandatory camp days; running decisions through him, etc.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The fact that he completely ignored AR at his presser leads me to believe he will move on but maybe he does stay but Glenn sending a message that no more special treatment. Its the first and biggest domino that has to fall and I expect it soon.

Thanks. Are you saying he's sent the message of no more special treatment or you expect it soon?

Can you elaborate on what kind of special treatment he's getting now?

Im speculating that if AR stays his special treatment ends - Doc gave a pretty good list of it - hiring his buddy coach and players who are terrible; skipping mandatory camp days; running decisions through him, etc.

Interesting. Thanks.

 

[Joe Bryant]

desperation is an ugly thing! Blame JD and Woody for treating 40 yr old Rodgers like prime MVP Rodgers. He got way to much influence but I do sometimes wonder how things would have turned out that 1st season if he didnt get hurt. Team was stacked - last yr Jd did too much tinkering.

Agreed that a team desperate for wins can be trouble. Deshaun Watson and his contract is another data point.

I do find the look back at history interesting. And I think the fact Rodgers has been so good for so long throws people off.

40 years old is old for most QBs. People sometimes don't remember Aaron Rodgers was playing at MVP level at 37 when he won his most recent (of 4 MVP's).

It's interesting to see people speak of Rodgers as if he was Denver Peyton Manning who was a shell of his former self.

Or to dismiss the season one year off Achilles where he was #8 in passing yards with 28 TDs against 11 Interceptions. I get that people hate the guy. But this is interesting to me. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/passing.htm

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's interesting to see people speak of Rodgers as if he was Denver Peyton Manning who was a shell of his former self

I don’t want to speak for everyone but I don’t think anyone thinks that - in this thread at least. I’ve seen some crazy Facebook posts however.

He’s obviously in decline and the Achilles injury really hurt his mobility, even in 2025, but he was still worlds better than Zach Wilson, Mike White, Joe Flacco, Tim Boyle, B. Rypien, and Trevor Siemians we’ve been watching the seasons before he arrived and while he was injured.

I could go back further than that and it doesn’t get much better - which is the only reason any fan would consider wanting Rodgers back. He started the season poorly because of rust and his Achilles and he played very well the last 3-4 games - but he also cost them a few games with costly interceptions and his accuracy wasn’t close to what it was. He’s 40 years old and yes he’s still very good for that age, but he’ll be even older next season. He’s not a long term option for a new coaching staff and comes with a lot baggage. The Jets should move on and pray he retires.

I’d be far from shocked if he went to a team like the Raiders and played well, but I think there’s plenty of risk that he’d fail there as well and hang em up.

 

[BoltNlava]

The fact that he completely ignored AR at his presser leads me to believe he will move on but maybe he does stay but Glenn sending a message that no more special treatment. Its the first and biggest domino that has to fall and I expect it soon.

Thanks. Are you saying he's sent the message of no more special treatment or you expect it soon?

Can you elaborate on what kind of special treatment he's getting now?

Im speculating that if AR stays his special treatment ends - Doc gave a pretty good list of it - hiring his buddy coach and players who are terrible; skipping mandatory camp days; running decisions through him, etc.

Interesting. Thanks.

Just to be clear, are you saying that Rodgers does not have any baggage that stands out to you other than being 40+?

 

[Joe Bryant]

It's interesting to see people speak of Rodgers as if he was Denver Peyton Manning who was a shell of his former self

I don’t want to speak for everyone but I don’t think anyone thinks that - in this thread at least. I’ve seen some crazy Facebook posts however.

He’s obviously in decline and the Achilles injury really hurt his mobility, even in 2025, but he was still worlds better than Zach Wilson, Mike White, Joe Flacco, Tim Boyle, B. Rypien, and Trevor Siemians we’ve been watching the seasons before he arrived and while he was injured.

I could go back further than that and it doesn’t get much better - which is the only reason any fan would consider wanting Rodgers back. He started the season poorly because of rust and his Achilles and he played very well the last 3-4 games - but he also cost them a few games with costly interceptions and his accuracy wasn’t close to what it was. He’s 40 years old and yes he’s still very good for that age, but he’ll be even older next season. He’s not a long term option for a new coaching staff and comes with a lot baggage. The Jets should move on and pray he retires.

I’d be far from shocked if he went to a team like the Raiders and played well, but I think there’s plenty of risk that he’d fail there as well and hang em up.

Thanks. Sure there were some costly interceptions. His Interception % was one spot behind Jayden Daniels and one better than Patrick Mahomes. So I'm not overly worried about the interceptions. Especially as he's been historically good there.

My biggest thing I'm encouraged by is as you said how he finished so strongly. And I for sure don't see the baggage as disastrous as some.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure.

I am interested to see how the dynamics of how the new GM will handle things.

Mougey shook things up a little today. https://nypost.com/2025/02/05/sport...ugey-shakes-up-front-office-with-two-firings/

This was interesting from Thomas Dimitroff. https://athlonsports.com/nfl/new-yo...-off-aaron-rodgers-decision-told-reveal-truth

 

[Joe Bryant]

The fact that he completely ignored AR at his presser leads me to believe he will move on but maybe he does stay but Glenn sending a message that no more special treatment. Its the first and biggest domino that has to fall and I expect it soon.

Thanks. Are you saying he's sent the message of no more special treatment or you expect it soon?

Can you elaborate on what kind of special treatment he's getting now?

Im speculating that if AR stays his special treatment ends - Doc gave a pretty good list of it - hiring his buddy coach and players who are terrible; skipping mandatory camp days; running decisions through him, etc.

Interesting. Thanks.

Just to be clear, are you saying that Rodgers does not have any baggage that stands out to you other than being 40+?

I think a 41 year old 4 time MVP first ballot Hall of Famer will have some baggage. I'm saying I don't think he has enough negative baggage that I wouldn't want him back. But I do fully understand some people hate the guy.

 

[rockaction]

Mougey shook things up a little today. https://nypost.com/2025/02/05/sport...ugey-shakes-up-front-office-with-two-firings/

I saw that. I clicked on the Post today to get some Jets news and was blasted with real news. Took me a while to get to the Jets. Fired some front office guys that were co-director of player personnel (Greg Nejmeh) and the senior director of football operations (David Socie). I can't say I knew who these guys were before they were fired, but it seems like an unheralded but important move.

This was interesting from Thomas Dimitroff. https://athlonsports.com/nfl/new-yo...-off-aaron-rodgers-decision-told-reveal-truth

That's wildly interesting. I do think that when I heard Mougey's comments about Rodgers, I read a bit between the lines and I thought they were more than amenable to having him back.

How do I feel (if anybody wonders)? I feel like Dimitroff. They should move on. If that held up his hiring as GM, then you have to think they're bringing Rodgers back.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The fact that he completely ignored AR at his presser leads me to believe he will move on but maybe he does stay but Glenn sending a message that no more special treatment. Its the first and biggest domino that has to fall and I expect it soon.

Thanks. Are you saying he's sent the message of no more special treatment or you expect it soon?

Can you elaborate on what kind of special treatment he's getting now?

Im speculating that if AR stays his special treatment ends - Doc gave a pretty good list of it - hiring his buddy coach and players who are terrible; skipping mandatory camp days; running decisions through him, etc.

Interesting. Thanks.

Just to be clear, are you saying that Rodgers does not have any baggage that stands out to you other than being 40+?

What would you say is the "baggage" he brings and how much of a negative is it?

 

[BoltNlava]

The fact that he completely ignored AR at his presser leads me to believe he will move on but maybe he does stay but Glenn sending a message that no more special treatment. Its the first and biggest domino that has to fall and I expect it soon.

Thanks. Are you saying he's sent the message of no more special treatment or you expect it soon?

Can you elaborate on what kind of special treatment he's getting now?

Im speculating that if AR stays his special treatment ends - Doc gave a pretty good list of it - hiring his buddy coach and players who are terrible; skipping mandatory camp days; running decisions through him, etc.

Interesting. Thanks.

Just to be clear, are you saying that Rodgers does not have any baggage that stands out to you other than being 40+?

What would you say is the "baggage" he brings and how much of a negative is it?

I think you will get a lot of "ME -ism" with him. Not sure that his main interest is centered in football anymore (and at the price point- it should be). The whole dark retreat and waiting for the "White Smoke" or "Black Smoke" is more than exhausting. His wanting to travel the globe right at the time training camp starts seems to be selfish. Many careers are anchored to his whims. It all seems too selfish and not team oriented. I get that he's 40+ and a future HOF'er but then maybe, just maybe, he should retire and give everyone a break. Including himself. He seems to me to have better things to do. Maybe majorly distracted is how to put it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The fact that he completely ignored AR at his presser leads me to believe he will move on but maybe he does stay but Glenn sending a message that no more special treatment. Its the first and biggest domino that has to fall and I expect it soon.

Thanks. Are you saying he's sent the message of no more special treatment or you expect it soon?

Can you elaborate on what kind of special treatment he's getting now?

Im speculating that if AR stays his special treatment ends - Doc gave a pretty good list of it - hiring his buddy coach and players who are terrible; skipping mandatory camp days; running decisions through him, etc.

Interesting. Thanks.

Just to be clear, are you saying that Rodgers does not have any baggage that stands out to you other than being 40+?

What would you say is the "baggage" he brings and how much of a negative is it?

I think you will get a lot of "ME -ism" with him. Not sure that his main interest is centered in football anymore (and at the price point- it should be). The whole dark retreat and waiting for the "White Smoke" or "Black Smoke" is more than exhausting. His wanting to travel the globe right at the time training camp starts seems to be selfish. Many careers are anchored to his whims. It all seems too selfish and not team oriented. I get that he's 40+ and a future HOF'er but then maybe, just maybe, he should retire and give everyone a break. Including himself. He seems to me to have better things to do. Maybe majorly distracted is how to put it.

Thanks. Do you think the negative cost of the "baggage" you describe outweighs the positives he could bring to the Jets?

 

[sheerterror]

The fact that he completely ignored AR at his presser leads me to believe he will move on but maybe he does stay but Glenn sending a message that no more special treatment. Its the first and biggest domino that has to fall and I expect it soon.

Thanks. Are you saying he's sent the message of no more special treatment or you expect it soon?

Can you elaborate on what kind of special treatment he's getting now?

Im speculating that if AR stays his special treatment ends - Doc gave a pretty good list of it - hiring his buddy coach and players who are terrible; skipping mandatory camp days; running decisions through him, etc.

Interesting. Thanks.

Just to be clear, are you saying that Rodgers does not have any baggage that stands out to you other than being 40+?

What would you say is the "baggage" he brings and how much of a negative is it?

I think you will get a lot of "ME -ism" with him. Not sure that his main interest is centered in football anymore (and at the price point- it should be). The whole dark retreat and waiting for the "White Smoke" or "Black Smoke" is more than exhausting. His wanting to travel the globe right at the time training camp starts seems to be selfish. Many careers are anchored to his whims. It all seems too selfish and not team oriented. I get that he's 40+ and a future HOF'er but then maybe, just maybe, he should retire and give everyone a break. Including himself. He seems to me to have better things to do. Maybe majorly distracted is how to put it.

Thanks. Do you think the negative cost of the "baggage" you describe outweighs the positives he could bring to the Jets?

What positives are you referring to? Winning 8 games instead of 6? The illusions/delusion that he's just going to be some miracle QB+QB coach that will osmotically transmute his talents to any random young QB on the roster is a complete fallacy.

I addressed this on the last page. MOST Jet fans aren't trying to make a 1 year decision that could impact the franchise for significantly longer than that (and there are a multitude of ways that 1 more year of Rodgers can be detrimental to this team for quite a bit longer than that). And for what upside? Because he's the 'best available option' for THIS year? How does 1 year of a hobbled Rodgers and a roster that still will not win enough to even get a home playoff game do anything to meaningfully [and finally] move this franchise forward?

 

[TLEF316]

On the surface....after 17 games...Rodgers' numbers were obviously fine. But if you watched all those games, it was pretty clear how far he's fallen off. Not saying it was all his fault. The coaching was terrible (partially because he insisted on keeping his buddy Hackett around to start the year) and the defense (which had been the strength of the team for the past 2 years) fell to pieces due to attrition on the D-line and some noticeable drop-offs in play by key guys (namely Sauce Gardner). And of course, kicking was a disaster early in the season. (costing them multiple games)

But Rodgers had several opportunities to pull games out of the fire late and consistently failed. Took key sacks when he couldn't.....missed WIDE open guys on what would have been game changing plays (only to make the eventual BIG mistake a few pays later) and targeted "his guys" rather than the open guy (or at times....simply the best player in Garrett Wilson)

I wouldn't mind the Jets going 10-7 and squeezing into the playoffs if its at least fun. But I dont think Rodgers has that in him. And it also seems like we probably over-rated some guys on this team...meaning the rest of the roster probably isn't up to the task either.

At this point, I'd rather just rip the bandaid off and rebuild...regardless of how I feel about Rodgers personally. (which would take this conversation to a place that isn't allowed around here...which is fine)

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The fact that he completely ignored AR at his presser leads me to believe he will move on but maybe he does stay but Glenn sending a message that no more special treatment. Its the first and biggest domino that has to fall and I expect it soon.

Thanks. Are you saying he's sent the message of no more special treatment or you expect it soon?

Can you elaborate on what kind of special treatment he's getting now?

Im speculating that if AR stays his special treatment ends - Doc gave a pretty good list of it - hiring his buddy coach and players who are terrible; skipping mandatory camp days; running decisions through him, etc.

Interesting. Thanks.

Just to be clear, are you saying that Rodgers does not have any baggage that stands out to you other than being 40+?

What would you say is the "baggage" he brings and how much of a negative is it?

I think you will get a lot of "ME -ism" with him. Not sure that his main interest is centered in football anymore (and at the price point- it should be). The whole dark retreat and waiting for the "White Smoke" or "Black Smoke" is more than exhausting. His wanting to travel the globe right at the time training camp starts seems to be selfish. Many careers are anchored to his whims. It all seems too selfish and not team oriented. I get that he's 40+ and a future HOF'er but then maybe, just maybe, he should retire and give everyone a break. Including himself. He seems to me to have better things to do. Maybe majorly distracted is how to put it.

Thanks. Do you think the negative cost of the "baggage" you describe outweighs the positives he could bring to the Jets?

The Jets were 5-12 last season.

I listed his baggage earlier (limited to just his time with the Jets, not what he also put GB through):

• The Jets were "forced" to hire and not fire Nathaniel Hackett (arguably the worst OC in the league) to make Rodgers happy because it's his buddy;
• After complaining about his lack of weapons in Green Bay, the Jets were "forced" to sign his aging weapons that he had in Green Bay, Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb, Lazard can not catch and Cobb could barely move when he was on the field
• Rodgers was behind getting Robert Salah fired after 4 games. He met with Woody right before it happened
• Because his other two bum former WRs were busts with the Jets, the team was "forced" to trade away assets they had no business trading away as a team with a losing record to get his other buddy Devante Adams (at least he was still good);
• He alienated the Jets most talented offensive weapon because he would only throw to his former GB buddies to the point there were rumblings Garrett Wilson would like to be traded;
• Rodgers missed a mandatory mini-camp because he wanted to go to Egypt - the heck with knocking that rust off or his teammate that had to be in camp;
• At multiple press conferences, he would throw his receivers and coaches under the bus and never once took any responsibility. Mike Williams was immediately released after one of them;
• When people dared to criticize him he would lash out with ridiculous statements like (paraphrasing) "let me see the vaccination status of these critics, I guarantee you they got vaccinated which shows they have no judgment" and laughed about it.
• Made up a story during the preseason that Kennedy asked him to be his VP - which was total BS and a distraction since he implied he may accept and leave the team

On top of this his play was well below his standards. His juice is no longer worth the squeeze and with a rookie HC and an attempt to turn the culture around, Rodgers should be nowhere near the building. The Jets were 5-12 with him. I'm not seeing the upside when he'll be even older and more beat up in 2025.

 

[NYRAGE]

Well, the Jets may have just made their most important hire: Rick Spielman joined as senior football advisor. He is there not only to help Glenn and the GM, but to rebuild the football operations side.

Thank God. Sounds like we are finally starting to do the right things. Mougey already started bringing in his guys and dumping long-term Jets losers. New people and a new culture.

 

[NYRAGE]

Again, you have a much higher opinion of Taylor and Fields. It'll be interesting.

Or I have a low opinion of all those other QBs I named to show that a Fields/Taylor QB room wouldn’t be the worst in the league. I obviously wouldn’t call it a slam dunk duo that would take the Jets to the Super Bowl next season but it’s my opinion of the best option out there.

Awesome. I'd prefer Rodgers over Taylor and Fields but different opinions are what makes the game fun.

Rodgers may be a slightly better QB than Fields or Taylor still at this point but the guy is a cancer and his antics aren’t worth the juice he brings anymore. Plus Fields is obviously much younger and if he hits they don’t have to look for yet another QB in 2026.

And don’t sell me on Rodgers “buying in” as his history shows that’s a long shot even if he gives it lip service now.

I truly cannot grasp how people would want Rodgers back simply because he MIGHT 'be the best option available.' This is an incredibly short sighted, Joe Benigno-esq thought process that involves NEEDING the team to somehow be competitive or win (lol) next year. This isn't about next year. Not anymore. Hasn't been for a long time.

The whole organization needed a facelift and a culture change. The first year of this regime is/should be about figuring out who should be here 'long term' and hopefully instilling a winning culture with competently coached and played football - ESPECIALLY given the overall immaturity/malcontentedness that has developed over time in this locker room, exacerbated by Saleh's inability to ever control these dumb kids from not spewing every thought on their minds on social media.

This dinosaur thought process of caring so much about next season, versus setting up a sustainable long term foundation that allows YEAR IN YEAR OUT competitiveness, as opposed to one and done smoke and mirror "win now" windows that we've had for 13 months in the past, is exactly what will keep this team stuck in the mud, never finding an actual franchise QB, and toiling away with 5-7 win seasons indefinitely. It's time to stop this cycle of stupidity.

This. I mentioned something like this earlier and people started responding about Rodgers gives us the best chance to win next year and I raised my hand and said "check, please". Then took a week off to breathe before coming back.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The Jets were "forced" to hire and not fire Nathaniel Hackett (arguably the worst OC in the league) to make Rodgers happy because it's his buddy;

This one fascinates me. People talk as if Hackett is Rodger's drinking buddy or something and he was handed a position on the Jets as a gift. Or that it was something crazy or Hackett was somehow unqualified.

Rodgers' experience with Hackett was working with him as his offensive coordinator in Green Bay. Where they had some success.

As in the highest scoring offense in the league for 2020. And back-to-back MVP awards with Hackett as his offensive coordinator in 2020 and 2021.

So the idea Rodgers somehow held the Jets hostage making them accept some wildly unqualified person as an OC is interesting.

When that's the first example, we have very different opinions of how egregious it was for Rodgers to want the guy he broke records with to join him in the same role in New York.

Or for players, the idea it seems incredible a player would ask a team to surround him with obtainable weapons he's comfortable with. Especially when they're available.

So we'll just have to disagree there. But I understand what you're saying, and I fully accept lots of people hate the guy.

Should be interesting.

 

[BoltNlava]

The fact that he completely ignored AR at his presser leads me to believe he will move on but maybe he does stay but Glenn sending a message that no more special treatment. Its the first and biggest domino that has to fall and I expect it soon.

Thanks. Are you saying he's sent the message of no more special treatment or you expect it soon?

Can you elaborate on what kind of special treatment he's getting now?

Im speculating that if AR stays his special treatment ends - Doc gave a pretty good list of it - hiring his buddy coach and players who are terrible; skipping mandatory camp days; running decisions through him, etc.

Interesting. Thanks.

Just to be clear, are you saying that Rodgers does not have any baggage that stands out to you other than being 40+?

What would you say is the "baggage" he brings and how much of a negative is it?

I think you will get a lot of "ME -ism" with him. Not sure that his main interest is centered in football anymore (and at the price point- it should be). The whole dark retreat and waiting for the "White Smoke" or "Black Smoke" is more than exhausting. His wanting to travel the globe right at the time training camp starts seems to be selfish. Many careers are anchored to his whims. It all seems too selfish and not team oriented. I get that he's 40+ and a future HOF'er but then maybe, just maybe, he should retire and give everyone a break. Including himself. He seems to me to have better things to do. Maybe majorly distracted is how to put it.

Thanks. Do you think the negative cost of the "baggage" you describe outweighs the positives he could bring to the Jets?

Yes I do. The proof is in the pudding.

 

[Kiddnets]

The Jets were "forced" to hire and not fire Nathaniel Hackett (arguably the worst OC in the league) to make Rodgers happy because it's his buddy;

This one fascinates me. People talk as if Hackett is Rodger's drinking buddy or something and he was handed a position on the Jets as a gift. Or that it was something crazy or Hackett was somehow unqualified.

Rodgers' experience with Hackett was working with him as his offensive coordinator in Green Bay. Where they had some success.

As in the highest scoring offense in the league for 2020. And back-to-back MVP awards with Hackett as his offensive coordinator in 2020 and 2021.

So the idea Rodgers somehow held the Jets hostage making them accept some wildly unqualified person as an OC is interesting.

When that's the first example, we have very different opinions of how egregious it was for Rodgers to want the guy he broke records with to join him in the same role in New York.

Or for players, the idea it seems incredible a player would ask a team to surround him with obtainable weapons he's comfortable with. Especially when they're available.

So we'll just have to disagree there. But I understand what you're saying, and I fully accept lots of people hate the guy.

Should be interesting.

Hackett is a sore spot - yes he had success with Rodgers in GB but his absolute failure in Denver should have made them think twice about bringing him in.....then his 1st year he was truly awful. Dont care if it was with Z Wilson - it was a mess. He had no business coming back and somehow he did and was even worse. Instead of getting fired like any other coach he stayed on the staff solely due to Rodgers. Thats special treatment.

As for players - theres a line tho - he didnt bring in Devante with him....the team had to trade a very high 3rd for him after the season was completely lost. The others he brought on like Lazard and Cobb were overpaid and lousy as well. And worse they got targets at the expense/further development of G Wilson.

His personality is very polarizing and he turns a lot of fans off - if the team wins its not a big issue but they could have landed the 7th pick with a lot of other mid QBs so i can see how many think hes not worth it.

Im a little different - I think it could work with AR for a yr or 2 but things would have to change starting with completely giving into a team friendly contract, no more influence on the team, and agree that a young QB would be brought in. Of course its all up to AG and Im fine with either - I do think theyll win more with AR then without - but I get why my fellow fans are eager to move on - its been a disaster

 

[Kiddnets]

Some very big news - Jets hire Rick Speilman as Sr football advisor.

Adds a layer between the GM and Woody which is always good - he led the search so Woody trusts him. Had a great track record as GM of Minny - I am a big fan of this move!

Some players he drafted - Adrian Peterson, Diggs, JJ, Dalvin Cook, D Hunter - this is a very good add I was not expecting. Experience to assist the young GM

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So we'll just have to disagree there.

ok

 

[sheerterror]

The Jets were "forced" to hire and not fire Nathaniel Hackett (arguably the worst OC in the league) to make Rodgers happy because it's his buddy;

This one fascinates me. People talk as if Hackett is Rodger's drinking buddy or something and he was handed a position on the Jets as a gift. Or that it was something crazy or Hackett was somehow unqualified.

Rodgers' experience with Hackett was working with him as his offensive coordinator in Green Bay. Where they had some success.

As in the highest scoring offense in the league for 2020. And back-to-back MVP awards with Hackett as his offensive coordinator in 2020 and 2021.

So the idea Rodgers somehow held the Jets hostage making them accept some wildly unqualified person as an OC is interesting.

When that's the first example, we have very different opinions of how egregious it was for Rodgers to want the guy he broke records with to join him in the same role in New York.

Or for players, the idea it seems incredible a player would ask a team to surround him with obtainable weapons he's comfortable with. Especially when they're available.

So we'll just have to disagree there. But I understand what you're saying, and I fully accept lots of people hate the guy.

Should be interesting.

After the hundreds if thousands of words that have been written here by Jet fans responding to this topic, how do you still derive from all of this that we simply "hate the guy"???

I have less than zero "hate" for the guy. Doc, myself, nyrage and several others here, have laid out completely rational, logical thought processes as to why we don't want him back and why that decision would help our dogcrap organization FINALLY MOVE FORWARD. But somehow, your response is to disregard all of that and just assume it's a personal issue. The fact that he may or may not be a d bag to some people is completely independent of how him being on this roster does or doesn't get this team any closer to winning a Super Bowl.

 

[Joe Bryant]

how do you still derive from all of this that we simply "hate the guy"???

I said some people hate the guy.

 

[Joe Bryant]

But somehow, your response is to disregard all of that and just assume it's a personal issue.

No idea how you got that. We disagree on how much a negative the "baggage" he brings is.

It's possible to have a different opinion without "disregarding" the other side. In fact, I specifically said I understand the points. I just disagree with how negative they are.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The Jets were "forced" to hire and not fire Nathaniel Hackett (arguably the worst OC in the league) to make Rodgers happy because it's his buddy;

This one fascinates me. People talk as if Hackett is Rodger's drinking buddy or something and he was handed a position on the Jets as a gift. Or that it was something crazy or Hackett was somehow unqualified.

Rodgers' experience with Hackett was working with him as his offensive coordinator in Green Bay. Where they had some success.

As in the highest scoring offense in the league for 2020. And back-to-back MVP awards with Hackett as his offensive coordinator in 2020 and 2021.

So the idea Rodgers somehow held the Jets hostage making them accept some wildly unqualified person as an OC is interesting.

When that's the first example, we have very different opinions of how egregious it was for Rodgers to want the guy he broke records with to join him in the same role in New York.

Or for players, the idea it seems incredible a player would ask a team to surround him with obtainable weapons he's comfortable with. Especially when they're available.

So we'll just have to disagree there. But I understand what you're saying, and I fully accept lots of people hate the guy.

Should be interesting.

After the hundreds if thousands of words that have been written here by Jet fans responding to this topic, how do you still derive from all of this that we simply "hate the guy"???

I have less than zero "hate" for the guy. Doc, myself, nyrage and several others here, have laid out completely rational, logical thought processes as to why we don't want him back and why that decision would help our dogcrap organization FINALLY MOVE FORWARD. But somehow, your response is to disregard all of that and just assume it's a personal issue. The fact that he may or may not be a d bag to some people is completely independent of how him being on this roster does or doesn't get this team any closer to winning a Super Bowl.

And if he was anywhere close to his peak, I’m sure we’d “ignore” a lot of the baggage that he brings. The juice is no longer worth the squeeze though.

 

[sheerterror]

But somehow, your response is to disregard all of that and just assume it's a personal issue.

No idea how you got that. We disagree on how much a negative the "baggage" he brings is.

It's possible to have a different opinion without "disregarding" the other side. In fact, I specifically said I understand the points. I just disagree with how negative they are.

I didn't use the word baggage in any of my posts so I think you're referring to a different discussion.

I think where we really disagree is how much value you believe Aaron Rodgers brings to the Jets for a 1 year vacuum - which is not something that most of the fanbase who has committed 3+ decades of this nonsense to, really cares much about at this point. Again, what value do you personally think he adds? How many more wins? What will those wins actually quantify to with a team that has not made the playoffs in 15 years? How will any and all of the potential variables/negatives associated with his presence on a new/young staff be balanced out by any positives you think he would bring for this 1 season?

 

[sheerterror]

The Jets were "forced" to hire and not fire Nathaniel Hackett (arguably the worst OC in the league) to make Rodgers happy because it's his buddy;

This one fascinates me. People talk as if Hackett is Rodger's drinking buddy or something and he was handed a position on the Jets as a gift. Or that it was something crazy or Hackett was somehow unqualified.

Rodgers' experience with Hackett was working with him as his offensive coordinator in Green Bay. Where they had some success.

As in the highest scoring offense in the league for 2020. And back-to-back MVP awards with Hackett as his offensive coordinator in 2020 and 2021.

So the idea Rodgers somehow held the Jets hostage making them accept some wildly unqualified person as an OC is interesting.

When that's the first example, we have very different opinions of how egregious it was for Rodgers to want the guy he broke records with to join him in the same role in New York.

Or for players, the idea it seems incredible a player would ask a team to surround him with obtainable weapons he's comfortable with. Especially when they're available.

So we'll just have to disagree there. But I understand what you're saying, and I fully accept lots of people hate the guy.

Should be interesting.

After the hundreds if thousands of words that have been written here by Jet fans responding to this topic, how do you still derive from all of this that we simply "hate the guy"???

I have less than zero "hate" for the guy. Doc, myself, nyrage and several others here, have laid out completely rational, logical thought processes as to why we don't want him back and why that decision would help our dogcrap organization FINALLY MOVE FORWARD. But somehow, your response is to disregard all of that and just assume it's a personal issue. The fact that he may or may not be a d bag to some people is completely independent of how him being on this roster does or doesn't get this team any closer to winning a Super Bowl.

And if he was anywhere close to his peak, I’m sure we’d “ignore” a lot of the baggage that he brings. The juice is no longer worth the squeeze though.

And conversely, he could be the coolest guy in the world - he could be freakin Jamo Winston personality wise - and I'd be saying the same thing about his presence being a detriment to this franchise in the current state that it's in.

 

[Kiddnets]

But somehow, your response is to disregard all of that and just assume it's a personal issue.

No idea how you got that. We disagree on how much a negative the "baggage" he brings is.

It's possible to have a different opinion without "disregarding" the other side. In fact, I specifically said I understand the points. I just disagree with how negative they are.

I didn't use the word baggage in any of my posts so I think you're referring to a different discussion.

I think where we really disagree is how much value you believe Aaron Rodgers brings to the Jets for a 1 year vacuum - which is not something that most of the fanbase who has committed 3+ decades of this nonsense to, really cares much about at this point. Again, what value do you personally think he adds? How many more wins? What will those wins actually quantify to with a team that has not made the playoffs in 15 years? How will any and all of the potential variables/negatives associated with his presence on a new/young staff be balanced out by any positives you think he would bring for this 1 season?

As a fan who would be ok with bringing back Rodgers - under the right circumstances - I could see the Jets making a run for a WC with a healthy AR, solid coaching staff, solid kicker and improved D. AG may feel its worth it if they could lower his cap #, delay picking a QB in a weak QB draft and establish a winning culture right away rather than having another top 10 pick season with Tyrod/journeyman at the helm. That being said im all for wiping the slate clean and moving on if thats what the new regime wants - i just can see both sides as im not completely down on Rodgers.,

 

[sheerterror]

But somehow, your response is to disregard all of that and just assume it's a personal issue.

No idea how you got that. We disagree on how much a negative the "baggage" he brings is.

It's possible to have a different opinion without "disregarding" the other side. In fact, I specifically said I understand the points. I just disagree with how negative they are.

I didn't use the word baggage in any of my posts so I think you're referring to a different discussion.

I think where we really disagree is how much value you believe Aaron Rodgers brings to the Jets for a 1 year vacuum - which is not something that most of the fanbase who has committed 3+ decades of this nonsense to, really cares much about at this point. Again, what value do you personally think he adds? How many more wins? What will those wins actually quantify to with a team that has not made the playoffs in 15 years? How will any and all of the potential variables/negatives associated with his presence on a new/young staff be balanced out by any positives you think he would bring for this 1 season?

As a fan who would be ok with bringing back Rodgers - under the right circumstances - I could see the Jets making a run for a WC with a healthy AR, solid coaching staff, solid kicker and improved D. AG may feel its worth it if they could lower his cap #, delay picking a QB in a weak QB draft and establish a winning culture right away rather than having another top 10 pick season with Tyrod/journeyman at the helm. That being said im all for wiping the slate clean and moving on if thats what the new regime wants - i just can see both sides as im not completely down on Rodgers.,

And you've certainly provided a rational take for the other side from that standpoint. But I circle back to "and then what?" Let's be honest, this roster still has a lot of holes and unless AG comes in as a boy wonder second coming top tier HC, anything beyond a WC appearance would be another one of those smoke and mirrors runs that we wouldn't be able to replicate or build upon because of our [then] 42(?) year old QB in 2026?

I truly believe the team needs to move forward. Use this year to get rid of as many of the long term dead cap ramifications Rodgers has brought with him, 'rip the band aid off' and see who belongs. If that then results in a top 10 pick in 2026 which maybe results in a more favorable move to draft a QB, then even better.

We've got decisions to make on that one good JD draft class, and some of those guys could be out the door - does it make sense to get draft capital at top market value and reset the core/cap of this team as AG settles in to find a long term QB solution?

All of that is much more appealing to me - the idea of finding that long term solution at QB coinciding with Glenn being a long term competent HC - than maybe finally hitting o9.5 wins with Rodgers and then getting dog walked in Cincy.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And if he was anywhere close to his peak, I’m sure we’d “ignore” a lot of the baggage that he brings. The juice is no longer worth the squeeze though.

The positive is always half the equation in the balance there. And that's just where we differ. You think the negatives outweigh the positives. I don't think they do. And that's great.

Lots of discussions will be this way where two sides don't agree.

I hope @sheerterror didn't mean what he wrote about disregarding other opinions. Maybe it's a bad assumption, but I'd hope the forum would welcome diverse viewpoints and opinions, especially when backed up with facts. That's how we've always operated here and why I think the board is so good.

 

[Kiddnets]

But somehow, your response is to disregard all of that and just assume it's a personal issue.

No idea how you got that. We disagree on how much a negative the "baggage" he brings is.

It's possible to have a different opinion without "disregarding" the other side. In fact, I specifically said I understand the points. I just disagree with how negative they are.

I didn't use the word baggage in any of my posts so I think you're referring to a different discussion.

I think where we really disagree is how much value you believe Aaron Rodgers brings to the Jets for a 1 year vacuum - which is not something that most of the fanbase who has committed 3+ decades of this nonsense to, really cares much about at this point. Again, what value do you personally think he adds? How many more wins? What will those wins actually quantify to with a team that has not made the playoffs in 15 years? How will any and all of the potential variables/negatives associated with his presence on a new/young staff be balanced out by any positives you think he would bring for this 1 season?

As a fan who would be ok with bringing back Rodgers - under the right circumstances - I could see the Jets making a run for a WC with a healthy AR, solid coaching staff, solid kicker and improved D. AG may feel its worth it if they could lower his cap #, delay picking a QB in a weak QB draft and establish a winning culture right away rather than having another top 10 pick season with Tyrod/journeyman at the helm. That being said im all for wiping the slate clean and moving on if thats what the new regime wants - i just can see both sides as im not completely down on Rodgers.,

And you've certainly provided a rational take for the other side from that standpoint. But I circle back to "and then what?" Let's be honest, this roster still has a lot of holes and unless AG comes in as a boy wonder second coming top tier HC, anything beyond a WC appearance would be another one of those smoke and mirrors runs that we wouldn't be able to replicate or build upon because of our [then] 42(?) year old QB in 2026?

I truly believe the team needs to move forward. Use this year to get rid of as many of the long term dead cap ramifications Rodgers has brought with him, 'rip the band aid off' and see who belongs. If that then results in a top 10 pick in 2026 which maybe results in a more favorable move to draft a QB, then even better.

We've got decisions to make on that one good JD draft class, and some of those guys could be out the door - does it make sense to get draft capital at top market value and reset the core/cap of this team as AG settles in to find a long term QB solution?

All of that is much more appealing to me - the idea of finding that long term solution at QB coinciding with Glenn being a long term competent HC - than maybe finally hitting o9.5 wins with Rodgers and then getting dog walked in Cincy.

Very fair - but there is the same "then what" if they go with Tyrod. There is no rookie QB out there that they could get at that could start soon that I see. If they had a competent coaching staff, kicker and better Def they would have been right in it for a WC this year. I also think having a solid season - especially getting the playoff monkey off the back - would do wonders to start the AG tenure off rather than slog through another 4-5 win same ol Jet fest. the good draft class needs to see results if they are gonna stick around - 1st important step to me is wipe the stink off the last decade and have a good season.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Some very big news - Jets hire Rick Speilman as Sr football advisor.

Adds a layer between the GM and Woody which is always good - he led the search so Woody trusts him. Had a great track record as GM of Minny - I am a big fan of this move!

Some players he drafted - Adrian Peterson, Diggs, JJ, Dalvin Cook, D Hunter - this is a very good add I was not expecting. Experience to assist the young GM

Smart guy from a smart family. His brother has helped the Lions in a similar capacity.

 

[Joe Bryant]

but there is the same "then what" if they go with Tyrod.

Yes.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I've got to jump to other stuff today so I'll bow out of this one for a while. Thanks for sharing the insights as it's always super helpful to hear what fans are saying. I'd much rather hear opinions different than mine as that's always more helpful.

Thanks y'all and I hope this goes the way you want.

 

[Kiddnets]

And if he was anywhere close to his peak, I’m sure we’d “ignore” a lot of the baggage that he brings. The juice is no longer worth the squeeze though.

The positive is always half the equation in the balance there. And that's just where we differ. You think the negatives outweigh the positives. I don't think they do. And that's great.

Lots of discussions will be this way where two sides don't agree.

I hope @sheerterror didn't mean what he wrote about disregarding other opinions. Maybe it's a bad assumption, but I'd hope the forum would welcome diverse viewpoints and opinions, especially when backed up with facts. That's how we've always operated here and why I think the board is so good.

I can speak for the thread that this is the best place for Jets discussion I go to - and I visit a lot. Ive seen almost all very welcome opinions being debated respectfully - I think the passion seeps in sometimes as the Jets are a frustrating team to root for and AR is a polarizing figure as well. We all agree this decision will set the tone for the AG era - should be interesting. Happy to see the interest and debate after such an awful season and a very long offseason to come!

 

[zamboni]

Some very big news - Jets hire Rick Speilman as Sr football advisor.

Adds a layer between the GM and Woody which is always good - he led the search so Woody trusts him. Had a great track record as GM of Minny - I am a big fan of this move!

Some players he drafted - Adrian Peterson, Diggs, JJ, Dalvin Cook, D Hunter - this is a very good add I was not expecting. Experience to assist the young GM

This is big - I don’t think I’ve been this optimistic about the Jets in probably forever. Feel free to slap me into reality.

 

[sheerterror]

But somehow, your response is to disregard all of that and just assume it's a personal issue.

No idea how you got that. We disagree on how much a negative the "baggage" he brings is.

It's possible to have a different opinion without "disregarding" the other side. In fact, I specifically said I understand the points. I just disagree with how negative they are.

I didn't use the word baggage in any of my posts so I think you're referring to a different discussion.

I think where we really disagree is how much value you believe Aaron Rodgers brings to the Jets for a 1 year vacuum - which is not something that most of the fanbase who has committed 3+ decades of this nonsense to, really cares much about at this point. Again, what value do you personally think he adds? How many more wins? What will those wins actually quantify to with a team that has not made the playoffs in 15 years? How will any and all of the potential variables/negatives associated with his presence on a new/young staff be balanced out by any positives you think he would bring for this 1 season?

As a fan who would be ok with bringing back Rodgers - under the right circumstances - I could see the Jets making a run for a WC with a healthy AR, solid coaching staff, solid kicker and improved D. AG may feel its worth it if they could lower his cap #, delay picking a QB in a weak QB draft and establish a winning culture right away rather than having another top 10 pick season with Tyrod/journeyman at the helm. That being said im all for wiping the slate clean and moving on if thats what the new regime wants - i just can see both sides as im not completely down on Rodgers.,

And you've certainly provided a rational take for the other side from that standpoint. But I circle back to "and then what?" Let's be honest, this roster still has a lot of holes and unless AG comes in as a boy wonder second coming top tier HC, anything beyond a WC appearance would be another one of those smoke and mirrors runs that we wouldn't be able to replicate or build upon because of our [then] 42(?) year old QB in 2026?

I truly believe the team needs to move forward. Use this year to get rid of as many of the long term dead cap ramifications Rodgers has brought with him, 'rip the band aid off' and see who belongs. If that then results in a top 10 pick in 2026 which maybe results in a more favorable move to draft a QB, then even better.

We've got decisions to make on that one good JD draft class, and some of those guys could be out the door - does it make sense to get draft capital at top market value and reset the core/cap of this team as AG settles in to find a long term QB solution?

All of that is much more appealing to me - the idea of finding that long term solution at QB coinciding with Glenn being a long term competent HC - than maybe finally hitting o9.5 wins with Rodgers and then getting dog walked in Cincy.

Very fair - but there is the same "then what" if they go with Tyrod. There is no rookie QB out there that they could get at that could start soon that I see. If they had a competent coaching staff, kicker and better Def they would have been right in it for a WC this year. I also think having a solid season - especially getting the playoff monkey off the back - would do wonders to start the AG tenure off rather than slog through another 4-5 win same ol Jet fest. the good draft class needs to see results if they are gonna stick around - 1st important step to me is wipe the stink off the last decade and have a good season.

You're effectively playing the "then what" game until they draft another QB, which is ultimately my preference. It won't be this year, so assuming 2026 or 2027 at the latest. And let's be honest, having 1 or 2 less wins on the books this season via Rodgers vs. a Tyrod Taylor/Minshew/Winston/Fields type is going to aid in that process, as compared to the 'let's hope every single thing that can break right will break right so we can finally make the playoffs for the first time in 15 years' mentality that bringing Rodgers back for 1 more season would be.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I've got to jump to other stuff today so I'll bow out of this one for a while. Thanks for sharing the insights as it's always super helpful to hear what fans are saying. I'd much rather hear opinions different than mine as that's always more helpful.

Thanks y'all and I hope this goes the way you want.

Joe, let me ask you something you often ask members when discussing players. Where would you rank Rodgers among active QBs?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Or for players, the idea it seems incredible a player would ask a team to surround him with obtainable weapons he's comfortable with. Especially when they're available.

So are you saying signing Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb were good football moves? Cobb was clearly washed up and Lazard was paid way more than he’s worth - just to appease Rodgers.

 

[Kiddnets]

Or for players, the idea it seems incredible a player would ask a team to surround him with obtainable weapons he's comfortable with. Especially when they're available.

So are you saying signing Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb were good football moves? Cobb was clearly washed up and Lazard was paid way more than he’s worth - just to appease Rodgers. I’m not sure how that can be spun as a good thing.

Not to mention bringing in Devante for a high 3rd rder for a few games when the season was obviously lost.