Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (4 Viewers)

[Chemical X]

i see 6.5 but it is way early. i see a lot chatter here about the offense, but the defense was absolutely dreadful last year. like all world awful. the defensive line was horrid. i knew there was an issue game 1 vs SF as they ran at will. they need 2-3 interior linemen. sherwood now makes 15mill per and he couldn’t even get on the field until mosley checked out. stephens seems a step down from reed, carter wasn’t good, gardner regressed and oops, the safety play was abysmal. this team doesn’t get INTs and not nearly enough TOs. i haven’t mentioned a qb who is a reclamation project, a rb that seems to have lost a step (hall was nowhere near effective last year based on my eye test) an OL that is a work in progress and no one after wr1. this team never has a good TE and K was a joke last year. IMO people overlooked the poor rooster because of guys like wilson, gardner, hall, quinnen, 3 of which severely underperformed. when those so called studs underperformed, the lack of talent was noticeable. just my .02 from 50 years of dumpster fire watching.

 

[Sammy B]

Yes, there's a significant difference between 7 and 9 wins. But two teams from different conferences, one having 7 wins, the other having 9 wins, could both miss the playoffs by 1 game. You could easily call both of those teams "borderline" playoff teams in that scenario, they're both on the cusp of taking the next step. That being said, as a 50+ year Jet fan, I won't believe the team is moving in the right direction until they start getting wins on a consistent basis. We've seen a bunch of these offseasons, and the results are usually the same. I'm just a fan hoping for the best every season.

 

[Chemical X]

Yes, there's a significant difference between 7 and 9 wins. But two teams from different conferences, one having 7 wins, the other having 9 wins, could both miss the playoffs by 1 game. You could easily call both of those teams "borderline" playoff teams in that scenario, they're both on the cusp of taking the next step. That being said, as a 50+ year Jet fan, I won't believe the team is moving in the right direction until they start getting wins on a consistent basis. We've seen a bunch of these offseasons, and the results are usually the same. I'm just a fan hoping for the best every season.

sounds like me. hoping against hope season after season. i would give them more of a chance, but without any semblance of home field advantage, they have basically 9 neutral games and 8 road.
i think they win 2 road games and maybe 5 home. maybe. really hoping this regime has a clue. but i’ve seen this before. without a qb, makes no difference.

 

[RC94]

But yes, there's still a lot of work to do - right now, at best, they are a borderline playoff team

That is very optimistic.

is it - 7/8 wins?

They won 5 games last season with a defense that gave up after Salah was fired and with Rodgers playing very poorly for a large part of the season. I'm not proclaiming them a playoff team, I just think they should be in the mix (they're not close to legit title contenders).

Obviously the projection I'm making requires Fields to improve as a passer - and he's shown small steps each season on that. Fields was 4-2 as a starter last season, and it's not like that was some great roster either as evidenced by what happened the rest of the season. Say what you will about his passing, but Fields rushing ability can be a nightmare for DCs.

I think maybe the disconnect is 7 wins and borderline playoff team.

The worst teams in last year's playoffs had 10 wins.

I think it's better to say as you did the number of wins you're projecting.

Are you saying 7.5?

I’m not interested in a semantics argument as to what “borderline” means. I said what I said (and gave numbers) and I’m not sure there was any disconnect on that.

I agree. To me, saying "borderline playoff team" in the thread during the offseason is not so much projecting wins, but the old "playing meaningful games" in the second half of the season.

The O-line is decent. Add a WR/pass catching TE, and I think the Jets can definitely be competitive and even surprising. No need to spreadsheet it up or make a win prediction.

Thanks. Over / Under on wins is a pretty universal and well understood way to discuss teams though.

I find that kind of precision way more helpful to understand where people see teams. It's also way harder to talk as actual numbers put a point on it.

I kind of get that, although I don't gamble so I don't think about things like that, so maybe I'm a little out of touch in that regard. This is a different conversation, but gambling has become way too much lately IMO. Companies like Draft Kings are so predatory. I don't want to delve into this conversation at this point, but just saying why I don't think about gambling and over/under when talking about anything.

Thanks. I don't gamble much either. But I use numbers to talk about next season all the time.

At the bottom line, it's about being precise with words.

For instance, I see people talk (not here) about a WR being a "borderline fantasy starter"

That's easy to say as it covers a huge range of outcomes. Could be WR21 in a 10 team league with 2 WRs or WR37 in a 12 team league with 3 WRs.

I'll ask that person where they rank the player among WRs. That gives a much more clear picture of what they think.

And granted, it's a lot harder to rank than be vague. But I think it helps with understanding.

I don't think your WR FF example is the same thing because of the factors you posted. Each FF league is different so that perspective matters but pretty much everyone knows what the NFL is and what "borderline playoff" means. Plus, you seem to be basing your desire for precision in this case on gambling, and as I've said, I will never include that in my thinking so I don't plan on being more precise in cases like this.

 

[Joe Bryant]

But yes, there's still a lot of work to do - right now, at best, they are a borderline playoff team

That is very optimistic.

is it - 7/8 wins?

They won 5 games last season with a defense that gave up after Salah was fired and with Rodgers playing very poorly for a large part of the season. I'm not proclaiming them a playoff team, I just think they should be in the mix (they're not close to legit title contenders).

Obviously the projection I'm making requires Fields to improve as a passer - and he's shown small steps each season on that. Fields was 4-2 as a starter last season, and it's not like that was some great roster either as evidenced by what happened the rest of the season. Say what you will about his passing, but Fields rushing ability can be a nightmare for DCs.

I think maybe the disconnect is 7 wins and borderline playoff team.

The worst teams in last year's playoffs had 10 wins.

I think it's better to say as you did the number of wins you're projecting.

Are you saying 7.5?

I’m not interested in a semantics argument as to what “borderline” means. I said what I said (and gave numbers) and I’m not sure there was any disconnect on that.

I agree. To me, saying "borderline playoff team" in the thread during the offseason is not so much projecting wins, but the old "playing meaningful games" in the second half of the season.

The O-line is decent. Add a WR/pass catching TE, and I think the Jets can definitely be competitive and even surprising. No need to spreadsheet it up or make a win prediction.

Thanks. Over / Under on wins is a pretty universal and well understood way to discuss teams though.

I find that kind of precision way more helpful to understand where people see teams. It's also way harder to talk as actual numbers put a point on it.

I kind of get that, although I don't gamble so I don't think about things like that, so maybe I'm a little out of touch in that regard. This is a different conversation, but gambling has become way too much lately IMO. Companies like Draft Kings are so predatory. I don't want to delve into this conversation at this point, but just saying why I don't think about gambling and over/under when talking about anything.

Thanks. I don't gamble much either. But I use numbers to talk about next season all the time.

At the bottom line, it's about being precise with words.

For instance, I see people talk (not here) about a WR being a "borderline fantasy starter"

That's easy to say as it covers a huge range of outcomes. Could be WR21 in a 10 team league with 2 WRs or WR37 in a 12 team league with 3 WRs.

I'll ask that person where they rank the player among WRs. That gives a much more clear picture of what they think.

And granted, it's a lot harder to rank than be vague. But I think it helps with understanding.

I don't think your WR FF example is the same thing because of the factors you posted. Each FF league is different so that perspective matters but pretty much everyone knows what the NFL is and what "borderline playoff" means. Plus, you seem to be basing your desire for precision in this case on gambling, and as I've said, I will never include that in my thinking so I don't plan on being more precise in cases like this.

No desire at all for gambling.

I'm simply talking about being precise and putting a number on how many wins to expect from a team.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Yes, there's a significant difference between 7 and 9 wins. But two teams from different conferences, one having 7 wins, the other having 9 wins, could both miss the playoffs by 1 game. You could easily call both of those teams "borderline" playoff teams in that scenario, they're both on the cusp of taking the next step. That being said, as a 50+ year Jet fan, I won't believe the team is moving in the right direction until they start getting wins on a consistent basis. We've seen a bunch of these offseasons, and the results are usually the same. I'm just a fan hoping for the best every season.

Thank you.

 

[Joe Bryant]

i see 6.5 but it is way early. i see a lot chatter here about the offense, but the defense was absolutely dreadful last year. like all world awful. the defensive line was horrid. i knew there was an issue game 1 vs SF as they ran at will. they need 2-3 interior linemen. sherwood now makes 15mill per and he couldn’t even get on the field until mosley checked out. stephens seems a step down from reed, carter wasn’t good, gardner regressed and oops, the safety play was abysmal. this team doesn’t get INTs and not nearly enough TOs. i haven’t mentioned a qb who is a reclamation project, a rb that seems to have lost a step (hall was nowhere near effective last year based on my eye test) an OL that is a work in progress and no one after wr1. this team never has a good TE and K was a joke last year. IMO people overlooked the poor rooster because of guys like wilson, gardner, hall, quinnen, 3 of which severely underperformed. when those so called studs underperformed, the lack of talent was noticeable. just my .02 from 50 years of dumpster fire watching.

I can see that.

And for sure, it's way early. But that's the beauty of the NFL. We talk about it and care about it in March.

 

[TLEF316]

Did I like the Fields signing compared to the alternatives? Sure.

But the last 2 years killed any and all potential for pre-season hype or positivity for this franchise. The reality is that this core group probably isn't as talented as we thought and now they've basically missed the cheap cost-control window for the 2022 draft class.

Maybe Glenn and crew turn things around, but unless this team is like 8-4 going into December (which still only gets them a shot at a WC as long as Josh Allen is upright) I'm just always going to assume that a laughable collapse is just 1 week away.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Did I like the Fields signing compared to the alternatives? Sure.

But the last 2 years killed any and all potential for pre-season hype or positivity for this franchise. The reality is that this core group probably isn't as talented as we thought and now they've basically missed the cheap cost-control window for the 2022 draft class.

Maybe Glenn and crew turn things around, but unless this team is like 8-4 going into December (which still only gets them a shot at a WC as long as Josh Allen is upright) I'm just always going to assume that a laughable collapse is just 1 week away.

No one can blame you.

I guess having some hope keeps me somewhat sane. Obviously the Lucy and Charlie Brown kicking the football scenario is very real when it comes to that.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

But yes, there's still a lot of work to do - right now, at best, they are a borderline playoff team

That is very optimistic.

is it - 7/8 wins?

They won 5 games last season with a defense that gave up after Salah was fired and with Rodgers playing very poorly for a large part of the season. I'm not proclaiming them a playoff team, I just think they should be in the mix (they're not close to legit title contenders).

Obviously the projection I'm making requires Fields to improve as a passer - and he's shown small steps each season on that. Fields was 4-2 as a starter last season, and it's not like that was some great roster either as evidenced by what happened the rest of the season. Say what you will about his passing, but Fields rushing ability can be a nightmare for DCs.

I think maybe the disconnect is 7 wins and borderline playoff team.

The worst teams in last year's playoffs had 10 wins.

I think it's better to say as you did the number of wins you're projecting.

Are you saying 7.5?

I’m not interested in a semantics argument as to what “borderline” means. I said what I said (and gave numbers) and I’m not sure there was any disconnect on that.

I agree. To me, saying "borderline playoff team" in the thread during the offseason is not so much projecting wins, but the old "playing meaningful games" in the second half of the season.

The O-line is decent. Add a WR/pass catching TE, and I think the Jets can definitely be competitive and even surprising. No need to spreadsheet it up or make a win prediction.

Thanks. Over / Under on wins is a pretty universal and well understood way to discuss teams though.

I find that kind of precision way more helpful to understand where people see teams. It's also way harder to talk as actual numbers put a point on it.

I kind of get that, although I don't gamble so I don't think about things like that, so maybe I'm a little out of touch in that regard. This is a different conversation, but gambling has become way too much lately IMO. Companies like Draft Kings are so predatory. I don't want to delve into this conversation at this point, but just saying why I don't think about gambling and over/under when talking about anything.

Thanks. I don't gamble much either. But I use numbers to talk about next season all the time.

At the bottom line, it's about being precise with words.

For instance, I see people talk (not here) about a WR being a "borderline fantasy starter"

That's easy to say as it covers a huge range of outcomes. Could be WR21 in a 10 team league with 2 WRs or WR37 in a 12 team league with 3 WRs.

I'll ask that person where they rank the player among WRs. That gives a much more clear picture of what they think.

And granted, it's a lot harder to rank than be vague. But I think it helps with understanding.

I don't think your WR FF example is the same thing because of the factors you posted. Each FF league is different so that perspective matters but pretty much everyone knows what the NFL is and what "borderline playoff" means. Plus, you seem to be basing your desire for precision in this case on gambling, and as I've said, I will never include that in my thinking so I don't plan on being more precise in cases like this.

Lost in all of this is I said “at best they’re a borderline playoff team” so it’s not like I was even predicting they’d be even that. If things break right with Fields they can push for the playoffs.

 

[DocHolliday]

Did I like the Fields signing compared to the alternatives? Sure.

But the last 2 years killed any and all potential for pre-season hype or positivity for this franchise. The reality is that this core group probably isn't as talented as we thought and now they've basically missed the cheap cost-control window for the 2022 draft class.

Maybe Glenn and crew turn things around, but unless this team is like 8-4 going into December (which still only gets them a shot at a WC as long as Josh Allen is upright) I'm just always going to assume that a laughable collapse is just 1 week away.

I love the Fields signing and I’m a Raiders fan. LV dropped the ball last year when they didn’t sign Fields. The Steelers get beat up by their fans but it is a well run organization as last year proved. They rolled the dice on Fields and Wilson for peanuts.

Fields has warts. Not being able to process defenses quickly is an issue but the kid plays hard and is exciting to watch. Since there are not any great QB prospects in this draft, why not roll the dice on a young QB that is one of the best running QBs in the game?

 

[Joe Bryant]

I guess having some hope keeps me somewhat sane. Obviously the Lucy and Charlie Brown kicking the football scenario is very real when it comes to that.

And hope is what makes the league so great. And one of the primary benefits of the salary cap in my opinion. Sure, some teams have higher expectations but the realistic hope that some team will be this years version of the 2024 Commanders is a huge draw. It's what pulls people in and it's a key part of the game.

 

[Kiddnets]

I guess having some hope keeps me somewhat sane. Obviously the Lucy and Charlie Brown kicking the football scenario is very real when it comes to that.

And hope is what makes the league so great. And one of the primary benefits of the salary cap in my opinion. Sure, some teams have higher expectations but the realistic hope that some team will be this years version of the 2024 Commanders is a huge draw. It's what pulls people in and it's a key part of the game.

The NFL is the best example of quick turnaround - a new coaching regime and QB that hits can make a team a contender in a hurry.

Back in the day the Jets won 2 games under Rich Kotite - Parcells came in with mostly the same team and had them on the cusp of the playoffs the following year - then found his QB in Vinny and they were in the AFCCG the following season.....and I find it very cool that Aaron Glen was part of that turnaround - as well as the one in Detroit. So Im ready to be hurt again but I am optimistic!

 

[sheerterror]

As for record - Im with Doc - nothing wrong with saying borderline playoff team. To me that isnt about record but playing meaningful games in December

That is obviously what I meant by it. I think they have a chance to compete for a playoff slot. Thar's a "borderline" playoff team. I'm not sure why that's controversial or required addiitonal scrutiny but I'm used to it here.

Not controversial. Just trying to be clear.

And not sure what you're "used to". I always try to be as clear as possible when talking about rankings or projecting teams and players.

Do you think the over-under for the Jets this year is 7.5? Which side of that would you take?

just for fun - lets play the Vegas game.

Obviously the smart bet based on last 10 yrs would be to go for the under at 7.5 - however that means we could both be right - depending on timing and how things break, I could lose the bet but the team could still be in the mix for a playoff spot in December which would make it a successful 1st year for the regime to me.

Thats why I dont like those box ins - record to mean doesnt mean a lot until you examine how they got there. there have been 9 win seasons where the team completely collapsed and there is les hope for future....and there are 7 win season where they win the last 5 games and QB/team/staff looks like they figured it out and started to gel which makes it look not so bad.,

What if AG and staff look great, team is prepared and playing well, Fields goes nuts, looks like the real deal but the defense gets some injuries, gives up some close games and/or the kicker misses a few game winners.....Id take that if it finally solves the QB/HC dilemma.

I absolutely think a six-win season with seeing enough to know you have the QB position locked down for the next 3 years and clear hope for the future would be a "successful" season. Every team is different.

This is EXACTLY why myself (and most other Jet fans in here) wanted nothing to do with Rodgers coming back - but for some reason, you were adamant that being an 8 win team with him at the helm was better than winning less games with a QB with a much longer potential shelf life.

 

[Joe Bryant]

As for record - Im with Doc - nothing wrong with saying borderline playoff team. To me that isnt about record but playing meaningful games in December

That is obviously what I meant by it. I think they have a chance to compete for a playoff slot. Thar's a "borderline" playoff team. I'm not sure why that's controversial or required addiitonal scrutiny but I'm used to it here.

Not controversial. Just trying to be clear.

And not sure what you're "used to". I always try to be as clear as possible when talking about rankings or projecting teams and players.

Do you think the over-under for the Jets this year is 7.5? Which side of that would you take?

just for fun - lets play the Vegas game.

Obviously the smart bet based on last 10 yrs would be to go for the under at 7.5 - however that means we could both be right - depending on timing and how things break, I could lose the bet but the team could still be in the mix for a playoff spot in December which would make it a successful 1st year for the regime to me.

Thats why I dont like those box ins - record to mean doesnt mean a lot until you examine how they got there. there have been 9 win seasons where the team completely collapsed and there is les hope for future....and there are 7 win season where they win the last 5 games and QB/team/staff looks like they figured it out and started to gel which makes it look not so bad.,

What if AG and staff look great, team is prepared and playing well, Fields goes nuts, looks like the real deal but the defense gets some injuries, gives up some close games and/or the kicker misses a few game winners.....Id take that if it finally solves the QB/HC dilemma.

I absolutely think a six-win season with seeing enough to know you have the QB position locked down for the next 3 years and clear hope for the future would be a "successful" season. Every team is different.

This is EXACTLY why myself (and most other Jet fans in here) wanted nothing to do with Rodgers coming back - but for some reason, you were adamant that being an 8 win team with him at the helm was better than winning less games with a QB with a much longer potential shelf life.

I still think that. I was pretty clear on the "some reason". That I think Rodgers gave them a much better chance to win. We discussed that pretty thoroughly

But that ship sailed and we're on to Justin Fields.

Who, as I said very clearly, can be fun too.

I absolutely think a six-win season with seeing enough to know you have the QB position locked down for the next 3 years and clear hope for the future would be a "successful" season. Every team is different.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Separate from how the team does, Justin Fields from a fantasy perspective will be one of the most interesting stories of the year.

Lots of talk of him as a top 10 fantasy QB this year. Should be fun.

 

[TLEF316]

While i don't think this is a great roster.....if they only win 6 games I would assume Fields did not play well enough to show he's "the guy"

If they only win 6, I'd say there's a better than 50% chance they're taking a qb in the first round a year from now

 

[Kiddnets]

While i don't think this is a great roster.....if they only win 6 games I would assume Fields did not play well enough to show he's "the guy"

If they only win 6, I'd say there's a better than 50% chance they're taking a qb in the first round a year from now

Possibly - but I can see a season where the defense is being rebuilt and they lose some shootouts - more kicker disaster - or even just losing to better teams - schedule is:

home - Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh Steelers, Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers, Denver Broncos, Dallas Cowboys

At this moment I can see potential wins vs Miami, Pats, Browns. Panthers at home - others not impossible but looking at this lets start with 4 wins.

away: Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, Baltimore Ravens, Cincinnati Bengals, New Orleans Saints, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jacksonville Jaguars

I can see wins vs Miami, Pats, Saints, Jags

So there are 8 games I feel they could win without being big underdogs - they never sweep AFC East opponents so there is 2 to go down to 6 right there.

As we saw last season a win/loss can come down to a play or kick. Im hoping the better coaching adds a few wins.

 

[TLEF316]

Don't quite understand letting Echols walk for less than they paid this guy from the Ravens.

Echols performed every time he was called upon.

 

[Kiddnets]

Don't quite understand letting Echols walk for less than they paid this guy from the Ravens.

Echols performed every time he was called upon.

agreed - Echols was a solid playmaker. Im gonna trust Glen on this one but on its face not a fan

 

[Kiddnets]

Rodgers officially a 6/1 cut - saves $7M after 6/1 so that should go to the rookie/buffer pool. Figure they spend whats left on FA dumpster diving.

$35M hit next year but they have $100M next year - gonna be needed for the extensions

 

[Dr. Octopus]

C Josh Myers to sign with the Jets

The Jets have agreed to terms with free agent center Josh Myers on a one-year, $3.5 million deal, Jeremy Fowler of ESPN reports.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Kiddnets]

CJ Mosely cut - another monster Jet free agent signing that underwhelmed - he was far from a bust and had big potential - actually played decent. Just never could justify that contract and JD kept kicking the can down the road.

 

[Kiddnets]

For you cap fans - both Rodgers and Mosely are post 6/1 cuts so it will clear out around $4M this year - between Rodgers and Mosely that frees up around $11M this year after 6/1 so that should cover most of draft class and buffer.

More importantly it does leave $42M in dead money for 2026 - but even with these 2 anchors Jets still have over $100M in 2026 - although keep in mind that does not include GWill, Sauce, JJ and Hall who are all FAs by then.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

CJ Mosely cut - another monster Jet free agent signing that underwhelmed - he was far from a bust and had big potential - actually played decent. Just never could justify that contract and JD kept kicking the can down the road.

He played hard and made plays when healthy - but that was an issue, staying healthy.

 

[TLEF316]

Yeah,mosley was fine and a leader. But with the injury and then the covid sit out...the timing just got all screwed up. And he was still good enough to contribute so JD played cap games with the contract.

Don't quite understand why they're not just biting the bullet and taking as much of a hit as they can for this year.

 

[Kiddnets]

Yeah,mosley was fine and a leader. But with the injury and then the covid sit out...the timing just got all screwed up. And he was still good enough to contribute so JD played cap games with the contract.

Don't quite understand why they're not just biting the bullet and taking as much of a hit as they can for this year.

It is strange - they have lots of room to just eat both and I dont see any FAs that would require a big contract - gotta figure there is a plan...perhaps they will start extensions this year?

 

[Kiddnets]

Watching the Giants cow tow and wait for Rodgers with sports radio pushing for the move is quite surreal. Jets were pretty much laughed at by all my Giant fan friends the past 2 yrs. I think in the end he goes to Pitt as its the best place to win now (and not be a complete Favre clone) - but Giants have shown that maybe Jets werent so crazy....although he just costs them $ and Jets had to part with 2 2d rders and a 1st rd swap. But the Rodgers all me attitude is still on display

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Watching the Giants cow tow and wait for Rodgers with sports radio pushing for the move is quite surreal. Jets were pretty much laughed at by all my Giant fan friends the past 2 yrs. I think in the end he goes to Pitt as its the best place to win now (and not be a complete Favre clone) - but Giants have shown that maybe Jets werent so crazy....although he just costs them $ and Jets had to part with 2 2d rders and a 1st rd swap. But the Rodgers all me attitude is still on display

I'm a bit surprised Pittsburgh is interested - it seems he and Tomlin would clash - but yes they seem to be the favorite. Every Steelers fan I know want no piece of him though.

Pitt signed Rudolph yesterday (to backup money) so maybe they are waiting Rodgers out. I can see them moving on soon though. I'm surprised they prefer Rodgers to Wilson.

Giants can wait him out because they have the option to draft a QB at pick 3. I think Rodgers is using them for contract leverage - he would be a disaster there behind that line.

 

[Balco]

I think Fields is terrible but from a contract perspective it’s not horrible signing by Jets because it is only 2 years. If he performs like I think he will perform, the Jets will be on track for a top 3 pick and they can get their qb then.

Glen has to get his guys into the system and then go from there - year one could get ugly but he needs to change the culture there.

 

[Kiddnets]

FA - Unusual off season - Jets usually are kings of the offseason but besides Fields - who wasnt even a "monster contract" - they really havent made any significant signings. In fact I cant point to one position that has been improved so far. Just about all the signings are short term low money deals from younger players who are coming off shaky years. Definitely the opposite from most year overpays of older players so I suppose we should see how it shakes out - Im sure they are baking on the new staff to coach many of them up

Cap/contracts - They are also sitting on some decent cap - as there are no expensive names out there and they for some reason are still holding on Lazard, Zeurlein, Clemmons and others that could free up well over another $10M - there must be a plan to extend at least Sauce/G Will in the mix

Draft - With majority of FA signings done - I think WR has vaulted to the top of the need list. Unless they add another unexpected piece they really need to spend a 1st or 2d on another WR or Wilson will be doubled all day. OL could also use an upgrade long term but at least some holes were filled - still the Lions really turned it around on the OL so I could still see them going for a Tackle if one of the top ones are still there. Can't see then going for a CB at #7 after paying $30M for Stephens - Safety is still a need.

Im not upset they didnt splurge this offseason - but if this was the plan why not rip the Rodgers/Mosely band aid now instead of another yr of dead cap in 2026 of $42M.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Draft - With majority of FA signings done - I think WR has vaulted to the top of the need list. Unless they add another unexpected piece they really need to spend a 1st or 2d on another WR or Wilson will be doubled all day. OL could also use an upgrade long term but at least some holes were filled - still the Lions really turned it around on the OL so I could still see them going for a Tackle if one of the top ones are still there. Can't see then going for a CB at #7 after paying $30M for Stephens - Safety is still a need.

I like TE Tyler Warren - they may be able to trade down a little even.

 

[Kiddnets]

Draft - With majority of FA signings done - I think WR has vaulted to the top of the need list. Unless they add another unexpected piece they really need to spend a 1st or 2d on another WR or Wilson will be doubled all day. OL could also use an upgrade long term but at least some holes were filled - still the Lions really turned it around on the OL so I could still see them going for a Tackle if one of the top ones are still there. Can't see then going for a CB at #7 after paying $30M for Stephens - Safety is still a need.

I like TE Tyler Warren - they may be able to trade down a little even.

He definitely would give them a weapon. He was a beast at PST. I would also like to trade down a bit if its a TE.

 

[Kiddnets]

Stingley signs a 3 yr extension at $30M yr - Chase/Tee Higgins contracts show that Wilson is probably looking at $30M per yr as well - this explains the dumpster diving and perhaps why they made Rodgers/Mosely 6/1 cuts. I expect to see extensions for both before the season starts - history has shown it only gets higher!

 

[rockaction]

I expect to see extensions for both before the season starts - history has shown it only gets higher!

They both have something to prove this year before they hit that level, though. Sauce doesn't travel and doesn't tackle. Garrett Wilson is nice in theory and bails out the QB every so often, but has never put together a proverbial year. So I can see if they wait until they sign these guys, though your dissection of what they've done with the cap makes a whole lot of sense and I could see these guys being signed and being signed rather quickly as the process speeds along.

That's a good analysis, Kiddnets, and I think you're right about why they aren't eating the hit this year (otherwise why wouldn't you?). I also think the two guys have something to prove, so it wouldn't stun me if the Jets waited. It's just . . . you've pretty much got 2 + 2 = x here and x = sign and extend.

 

[Joe Bryant]

ESPN releasing early total win bets.

https://x.com/ConnorAllenNFL/status/1904986093545750595

 

[rockaction]

I'm still sticking with over 6.5, which may be where the line winds up (I doubt it moves from 5.5, but you never know). Seven wins. Imagine that! I'm the optimist among certain groups of people in the know.

The Jets stink. They're going to lose eleven games at least, aren't they? Oh Justin, you better be improved or this is going to be a long year.

Who is our WR3 again? Malachi Corley, maybe? Ooooooof. I just picked him up for two bucks in a dynasty league because I wanted to push a bid up. I'm going to try and sell him back to the owner who had the one-dollar bid on him and try to recoup a buck. Cut your losses and all that.

 

[Joe Bryant]

ESPN releasing early total win bets.

https://x.com/ConnorAllenNFL/status/1904986093545750595

You folks like the over or under on Jets at 5.5 wins?

Hit the "like" emoji for the over.
Hit the "sad" emoji for the under.

 

[lsutigers]

ESPN releasing early total win bets.

https://x.com/ConnorAllenNFL/status/1904986093545750595

You folks like the over or under on Jets at 5.5 wins?

NFC South could make up 2-3 of those. Let's say they split with Patriots, beat Saints and Panthers. Beat the Browns at home. That's 4. Not likely beating the Bills, Ravens, Bengals, Steelers or Bucs. So they'd have to take 2 of 4 from Denver at home, Dallas at home, Jax, Atlanta at home, Miami (x2). Not saying they have some crazy homefield advantage but I can reasonably get to 6.

 

[Crash Davis]

I said over, but I wouldn't bet any actual money on that. They won 5 games last year and lost fairly significant talent on the defense and at WR specifically while going with a wildcard at QB so I can fully understand why the under is attractive when you factor in the Jets organizational history.

It comes down to whether or not you believe in Glenn and the coaching staff to prepare, motivate and coach the team to win some games that Saleh and his merry band of meh couldn't.

I think that answer is yes and I think that Fields will have some games with his legs that when coupled with Hall and Allen will flip a few games in their favor. That doesn't mean there won't be games he is the reason they lose of course. but we aren't talking about playoffs we are asking if they can win 6 games. I'm choosing to be an optimist about it, but I think 5.5 is the right number when you look at the schedule, agreeing with @lustigers assessment of the matchups.

 

[rockaction]

I’m changing and moving back down to six, if not five. The more I think about it, the more I think we’re in tons of trouble this year (if the goal is winning and not developing players), and that we will have a very high draft pick come next year.

 

[travdogg]

Had a good laugh at Woody Johnson's quote today.

"I've been impressed with Justin Fields since he was in college either him or Lawrence was the guy from that draft"

Woody apparently has forgotten his team took Wilson over Fields. Or he REALLY deferred to the GM, and maybe signing Fields is his way of saying HE was right all along?

 

[RC94]

Jets owner Woody Johnson rips NFLPA survey as 'totally bogus'

 

[rockaction]

Still doesn't get it.

 

[Kiddnets]

Lot of chatter about Beece possibly being dealt after AG's comments. I suppose its possible as hes on the last yr of his deal and coming off a sub par year. However hes a weapon on a team with very few. Id need a 2d to even consider. Saw some posts on trading Breece and then drafting Jeanty at #7 ala Gibbs - please no. If they are going to copy the Lions shore up the OL 1st

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Lot of chatter about Beece possibly being dealt after AG's comments. I suppose its possible as hes on the last yr of his deal and coming off a sub par year. However hes a weapon on a team with very few. Id need a 2d to even consider. Saw some posts on trading Breece and then drafting Jeanty at #7 ala Gibbs - please no. If they are going to copy the Lions shore up the OL 1st

If they do trade Breece (I hope they don’t) I would much rather go with Allen/Davis and a day 3 rookie. This team can not afford to take a RB at 7. Hopefully the Raiders take him off the board at 6.

 

[rockaction]

Lot of chatter about Beece possibly being dealt after AG's comments. I suppose its possible as hes on the last yr of his deal and coming off a sub par year. However hes a weapon on a team with very few. Id need a 2d to even consider. Saw some posts on trading Breece and then drafting Jeanty at #7 ala Gibbs - please no. If they are going to copy the Lions shore up the OL 1st

If they do trade Breece (I hope they don’t) I would much rather go with Allen/Davis and a day 3 rookie. This team can not afford to take a RB at 7. Hopefully the Raiders take him off the board at 6.

Agreed.

And we likely wouldn’t even get a second for Breece, which is why I think they’ll hold onto him.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Lot of chatter about Beece possibly being dealt after AG's comments. I suppose it’s possible as hes on the last yr of his deal and coming off a sub par year. However hes a weapon on a team with very few. Id need a 2d to even consider. Saw some posts on trading Breece and then drafting Jeanty at #7 ala Gibbs - please no. If they are going to copy the Lions shore up the OL 1st

These all seem speculative “rumors” and while I could see them moving Hall, I have major doubts they’d then draft Jeanty.

I would immediately lose a lot of faith in this regime already if they trade Hall (they could only get a late pick with him on last year of the deal) only to then draft Jeanty, I’d see them as clueless.

Don’t forget we have Fields who will be running a ton as well. Fields, Allen and Davis can rack up yards on the ground. They need OL, CB and WR/TE.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

There wasn’t any way chatter in here about it, as it wasn’t exactly A-List acquisitions but the Jets did add some decent depth pieces to the WR room in Tyler Johnson and Josh Reynolds - both have been semi-productive when utilized. They still need a WR2 and I’m not sure they can find one in this draft - I don’t think any are worth 1.06 and there’s not real depth in this class.

This is shaping up to be a run first team but they do need to find a way to add another playmaker either as a WR2 or at TE.

 

[rockaction]

Tyler Johnson and Josh Reynolds

One is too slow and the other got shot in the face/head at a strip club last year. Tyler Johnson is somebody I've followed because I picked him in the fifth round of a dynasty draft when he came out. He's not very fast and he's never gotten open at the pro level. Some middling Bucs receiver beat him out to be the WR3 back when (I forget who it was).

Reynolds is okay for what he is, but he's not really a WR2, more like a WR4. I've always liked him, but the NFL has always thought differently.

They round out the WR room. They're depth pieces in case things go horribly wrong. I think Lazard and Reynolds would actually be a battle for the WR2.

That's just my opinion, of course. People might think differently than I do; it's just that's what I see out of both of them.