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Indy inquiring about Ricky (1 Viewer)

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No link but James Brown has reported that Indy has contacted Miami and inquired what would it take to (exact words reported) "pry Ricky away from Miami." As a Ricky and Ronnie owner this would be awesome but I'm sure it won't happen but it was reported on the James Brown show on sporting news radio.

 
I wouldn't mind this - if the salary isn't too much and it isn't giving up too much in draft picks.

 
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I wouldn't mind this - if the salary isn't too much and it isn't giving up too much in draft picks.
I would think the price will be a late first or an early second to start things off. If your Indy it makes very much sense. I know trades like this usually don't happen but it's usually because of the salaries. In this case Indy gets a great player, gives up a good draft pick but in the end they saves alot of money. I think in the end it really makes sense for both teams ....this is why it won't happen though.
 
That would be funny, consdiering the Colts were rumored to be drafting Ricky in the first place and instead went with Edge......

 
For me, I still can't even believe that Miami took him back last year. That being said, it is inconceivable that anyone would give more than a broken jock strap for Ricky.

There is no doubt about his talent. None whatsoever. But the way he left the team a few years ago tells me all I need to know about his heart. IMO, I just don't see how an owner can count on him as a team's every day back. One day, he's just going to not show up and that will be that.

For the record, I was, and still am, a firm believer that he had every right to retire and walk away from the Dolphins. I just have huge problems in the manner he did it. To stand up and proclaim himself as a team leader before the draft, only to walk away after it was way too late for Miami to either draft a back or pick up a solid starter from another team is just deplorable. He cost the Dolphins that entire season and any team that picks him up now deserves what they get in him.

 
Fair enough, but heart isn't a question when he is on the field. Considering Ricky hasn't really made that much money, compared to other stud running backs, I don't think the Colts have to worry about him retiring again.

 
I wouldn't mind this - if the salary isn't too much and it isn't giving up too much in draft picks.
I would think the price will be a late first or an early second to start things off. If your Indy it makes very much sense. I know trades like this usually don't happen but it's usually because of the salaries. In this case Indy gets a great player, gives up a good draft pick but in the end they saves alot of money. I think in the end it really makes sense for both teams ....this is why it won't happen though.
I don't see the Colts giving up their 1st rounder for Ricky considering his recent history.
 
For me, I still can't even believe that Miami took him back last year. That being said, it is inconceivable that anyone would give more than a broken jock strap for Ricky.

There is no doubt about his talent. None whatsoever. But the way he left the team a few years ago tells me all I need to know about his heart. IMO, I just don't see how an owner can count on him as a team's every day back. One day, he's just going to not show up and that will be that.

For the record, I was, and still am, a firm believer that he had every right to retire and walk away from the Dolphins. I just have huge problems in the manner he did it. To stand up and proclaim himself as a team leader before the draft, only to walk away after it was way too late for Miami to either draft a back or pick up a solid starter from another team is just deplorable. He cost the Dolphins that entire season and any team that picks him up now deserves what they get in him.
Miami took him back last year for this very reason....to trade him.
 
Miami won't get any better than a 2nd rounder for Ricky. Teams just don't give up their 1st rounders that easily

 
SA & edge couldn't even fetch a second (or was the asking price just a third?) last year, & they don't have the baggage... of course, they would needed to have been paid, a possible reason for the complete lack of interest league-wide.

i think MIA would get a third tops... he might even be more valuable on the team... except they are thought to want ronnie brown to be the guy... saban may want ricky as ammo to move UP in draft to secure cutler (depending on where he goes, they could need to go pretty high & ricky may not be enough juice)... in which case the trade would be going in the wrong direction on draft board.

 
One other thing to remember here is that Miami is getting alot of talk out there for the Super Bowl next year. Jaws predicted big things for them come next year. One reason I could see them looking to trade Ricky to the NFC instead of the AFC. Why give your main rivals in either the Colts or Broncos what most think is a nice piece of the puzzle for dirt cheap.

Does not make alot of sense unless you really dont think you can win the Super Bowl next year but if you have aspirations than trading him to a chief rival would be crazy.

In the end I dont think Ricky goes anywhere. I dont see anyone giving up a 1st and for the teams interested with late 2nds, will not give Miami a reliable backup. Brown has yet to be an everydown RB for college or this year even. I dont think he will carry the load for a full year and the NFL is showing you almost need 2 good RB's now

 
SA & edge couldn't even fetch a second (or was the asking price just a third?) last year, & they don't have the baggage... of course, they would needed to have been paid, a possible reason for the complete lack of interest league-wide.

i think MIA would get a third tops... he might even be more valuable on the team... except they are thought to want ronnie brown to be the guy... saban may want ricky as ammo to move UP in draft to secure cutler (depending on where he goes, they could need to go pretty high & ricky may not be enough juice)... in which case the trade would be going in the wrong direction on draft board.
Ricky's contract is nothing compared to SA and Edge.
 
What would the combo of Ricky and Rhodes look like next year behind the Indy Oline?
That combo would look alot like Ricky. I would also be surprised if anyone would give up a #1 but if Miami trades him I'm expecting them to get a #2 or move up 4 to 5 spots in the draft depending on the teams ahead of them. I don't think it would matter much if it was Nfc or Afc just probably someone out of the Afc East.
 
LOL at all the people (and there were a LOT of you) who thought Ricky was washed up before the season.

His hearts not in it.

He lost too much weight.

He'll never be able to come back after taking a year off.

Blah blah blah.

Not only did he come back but Saban can now actually get draft picks for him.

If more teams start asking about Ricky his price will only go up.

 
LOL at all the people (and there were a LOT of you) who thought Ricky was washed up before the season.

His hearts not in it.

He lost too much weight.

He'll never be able to come back after taking a year off.

Blah blah blah.

Not only did he come back but Saban can now actually get draft picks for him.

If more teams start asking about Ricky his price will only go up.
I can see Saban trading him,but only to an NFC team.Why would you make Indy or Denver stronger at your own expense......
 
I wouldn't mind this - if the salary isn't too much and it isn't giving up too much in draft picks.
I would think the price will be a late first or an early second to start things off. If your Indy it makes very much sense. I know trades like this usually don't happen but it's usually because of the salaries. In this case Indy gets a great player, gives up a good draft pick but in the end they saves alot of money. I think in the end it really makes sense for both teams ....this is why it won't happen though.
There is absolutely no way the Colts give up a 1st or 2nd rd pick on a guy that a. quit on his teammates b. is 1 strike away from another drug related suspension.
 
What happened to the other Ricky Williams? The like 3rd string tailback that was on the Colts? I was going to make a funny joke about them having 2 in their backfield, but then I noticed he's not on the team anymore.

 
I wouldn't mind this - if the salary isn't too much and it isn't giving up too much in draft picks.
I would think the price will be a late first or an early second to start things off. If your Indy it makes very much sense. I know trades like this usually don't happen but it's usually because of the salaries. In this case Indy gets a great player, gives up a good draft pick but in the end they saves alot of money. I think in the end it really makes sense for both teams ....this is why it won't happen though.
There is absolutely no way the Colts give up a 1st or 2nd rd pick on a guy that a. quit on his teammates b. is 1 strike away from another drug related suspension.
You'd be surprised what a team will do for a good, cheap RB. Odds are he will outperform the second round RB they may draft. Then again, I think they could find a guy in the 5-7th rounds that will put up numbers in that system.
 
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I wouldn't mind this - if the salary isn't too much and it isn't giving up too much in draft picks.
I would think the price will be a late first or an early second to start things off. If your Indy it makes very much sense. I know trades like this usually don't happen but it's usually because of the salaries. In this case Indy gets a great player, gives up a good draft pick but in the end they saves alot of money. I think in the end it really makes sense for both teams ....this is why it won't happen though.
I don't see the Colts giving up their 1st rounder for Ricky considering his recent history.
Recent history? Recent history is that he came back and despite missing 3 games and sharing time was able to put up 700 yards and 6 TD's. He convinced the Miami players and coaches that his "heart" was in it and averaged 4.4 ypc (not great, but not shabby and the Miami O-line is in transition).Recent history shows that he could return to pro-bowl form in this coming season.

As a Miami fan I was pissed off as could be, but I have come to accept that he made a mistake, realizes it and tried his best to set things right. Have I completely forgiven him? No, but if he gets us a an early second round pick then I will be a happy fan.

A first round is a bit too much to expect.

As an owner of Ricky and Ronnie in the only league I play in, this would make me VERY happy as well.

 
the thing to keep an eye on is if Ricky wants to restructure. If he does that would play a major part in the deal. Also if you have listened to he statements throughout the year, he is very careful when talking about his future, and even if he is truly happy playing again. As a phins fan who has kept an eye on this, I personally think he only plays out the remaining 2 years so he doesnt have to pay Wayne back and thats it. The question is on what team? He would no doubt be a great cheap rb for a contender to get via trade.

 
Don't the Colts already have a Ricky Williams on their roster? ;)

-QG
He's not on there anymore. Nor is he on the NFL roster. Guess he's in New Zealand or something.
 
I wouldn't mind this - if the salary isn't too much and it isn't giving up too much in draft picks.
I would think the price will be a late first or an early second to start things off. If your Indy it makes very much sense. I know trades like this usually don't happen but it's usually because of the salaries. In this case Indy gets a great player, gives up a good draft pick but in the end they saves alot of money. I think in the end it really makes sense for both teams ....this is why it won't happen though.
There is absolutely no way the Colts give up a 1st or 2nd rd pick on a guy that a. quit on his teammates b. is 1 strike away from another drug related suspension.
You'd be surprised what a team will do for a good, cheap RB. Odds are he will outperform the second round RB they may draft. Then again, I think they could find a guy in the 5-7th rounds that will put up numbers in that system.
Too many quality FA rbs on the market to give up a precious commodity like a 1st or 2nd rd pick on a rb with Ricky's mileage and history.
 
All the reasons another team would want Ricky are all the reasons Miami should keep him. If all they could get is a 3rd or 4th round pick, they are much better off keeping him and his $540,000 contract than they are trading him. There is no way they will find a better player to roster at the league minimum.

 
All the reasons another team would want Ricky are all the reasons Miami should keep him. If all they could get is a 3rd or 4th round pick, they are much better off keeping him and his $540,000 contract than they are trading him. There is no way they will find a better player to roster at the league minimum.
if he goes to a new team(or even stays with the Fins for that matter) does he still ONLY make the league minimum? I thought it was a sorta penalty for what he pulled 2 years ago. How long does he have to serve this "sentence"?
 
All the reasons another team would want Ricky are all the reasons Miami should keep him.  If all they could get is a 3rd or 4th round pick, they are much better off keeping him and his $540,000 contract than they are trading him.  There is no way they will find a better player to roster at the league minimum.
if he goes to a new team(or even stays with the Fins for that matter) does he still ONLY make the league minimum? I thought it was a sorta penalty for what he pulled 2 years ago. How long does he have to serve this "sentence"?
2006 545000.00 2007 670000.00

 
What about the $8 million bonus that the Dolphins were trying to get back from him after the "retirement"? That was money already paid out and has to count against the cap some way....right?

 
For me, I still can't even believe that Miami took him back last year. That being said, it is inconceivable that anyone would give more than a broken jock strap for Ricky.
Finally the voice of reason.One thing I'll give Polian, he has a low tolerance for jerks/morons/general problem children. And Wms would cost more than they can afford or would be willing to give anyway. Don't exactly hold your breath about this brilliant rumour.

 
What about the $8 million bonus that the Dolphins were trying to get back from him after the "retirement"? That was money already paid out and has to count against the cap some way....right?
IIRC that's done when he retires, so they already "ate" that money. I believe they can also (back then) petition the NFL for an exemption and only get hit for half of it's cap value due to Ricky's inability to pay it back. But, anyway it's old+done.
 
All the reasons another team would want Ricky are all the reasons Miami should keep him.  If all they could get is a 3rd or 4th round pick, they are much better off keeping him and his $540,000 contract than they are trading him.  There is no way they will find a better player to roster at the league minimum.
if he goes to a new team(or even stays with the Fins for that matter) does he still ONLY make the league minimum? I thought it was a sorta penalty for what he pulled 2 years ago. How long does he have to serve this "sentence"?
2006 545000.00 2007 670000.00
Hey David, please re-explain this.I'll try to reword my Q.

Is he playing for that small sum due to his BS retirement and a sorta penalty by the NFL OR is that a contract he re-negotiated with the Fins when he returned?

 
All the reasons another team would want Ricky are all the reasons Miami should keep him.  If all they could get is a 3rd or 4th round pick, they are much better off keeping him and his $540,000 contract than they are trading him.  There is no way they will find a better player to roster at the league minimum.
if he goes to a new team(or even stays with the Fins for that matter) does he still ONLY make the league minimum? I thought it was a sorta penalty for what he pulled 2 years ago. How long does he have to serve this "sentence"?
2006 545000.00 2007 670000.00
Hey David, please re-explain this.I'll try to reword my Q.

Is he playing for that small sum due to his BS retirement and a sorta penalty by the NFL OR is that a contract he re-negotiated with the Fins when he returned?
Let's see what I can explain.Williams is signed with Miami through 2007 for the base salaries cited above. IIRC, when he "unretired," the original contract was renegotiated, leaving him with a 3-year deal at the league minimum. The original signing bonus was what the team was fighting over, not the new deal. So as far as his salary goes, the numbers I listed are what he will carry for the next 2 years for Miami or anyone else. I believe the Dolphins and the league already ironed out the signing bonus/retirement/cap hit issues, so all that remains is his pure salary, which would make Williams a very attractive option for any team.

 
Ricky isnt going to continue to play for the league minimum. Just like Droughns isnt. The reason you arent hearing anything about a possible holdout is that Ricky doesnt need any more bad publicity.

Ricky signed the league minimum deal in order to come back, get out of the signing bonus lawsuit from his previous contract, and prove that he still wants to play in the NFL. He's already done all of that. He doesnt have to spend the rest of career playing for cheap. Everybody knows he's worth more than that and someone will pay him. Miami signed him to 3 years in order to retain tradeing rights because they traded a lot to get him and wanted a chance to recoup something. Only by allowing Williams to come back and play would make Ricky attractive to other teams. Miami could have cut him but then they would have gotten nothing. They couldnt trade a retired suspended player. If they only signed him for one year they wouldnt be able to trade him now. The current deal is a simple means to accomplish all of this but it was never expected for Ricky to continue to play under the current contract if he proved himself. It was really only a one year deal even though it says 3 years. 7 year deals are always renegotiated or the player is cut at some point. Its done because the player's signing bonus has certain cap hits. This is a simuliar situation. Ricky originally had an 8 year contract started in New Orleans. The current deal is a renegotiation of the previous deal. However it is what it is only to allow the Ricky to come back and prove himself so the Phins could recoup some of what they traded to the Saints to get him. Ricky's original signing bonus was already payed by the Saints. The Dolphins only had to cover performance based bonuses. That previous contract included Ricky's previous 2 seasons with the team in which he outperformed and received incentive bonuses as well as this past season. When you look at those 3 seasons and the amount of cash actually paid to Williams by Miami (not New Orleans), Williams has easily justified his pay. The way Williams has performed in the NFL he deserved a new contract anyway. You could even make the arguement that he has justified the 2 first round picks he was traded for by gaining over 4500 yards and 33 TDs for Miami.

The past is pretty much settled. Now its about trading Ricky and letting some other team negotiate a new contract or keeping him and renegotiating themselves. With Brown there and Ricky haveing proven himself, he'll likely be traded.

 
The past is pretty much settled. Now its about trading Ricky and letting some other team negotiate a new contract or keeping him and renegotiating themselves. With Brown there and Ricky haveing proven himself, he'll likely be traded.
:goodposting: This was the intent all along as I understand it. They drafted Brown knowing that they wanted to keep Ricky just long enough for him to prove he has value to other teams. He did.

 
Ricky isnt going to continue to play for the league minimum. Just like Droughns isnt. The reason you arent hearing anything about a possible holdout is that Ricky doesnt need any more bad publicity.

Ricky signed the league minimum deal in order to come back, get out of the signing bonus lawsuit from his previous contract, and prove that he still wants to play in the NFL. He's already done all of that. He doesnt have to spend the rest of career playing for cheap. Everybody knows he's worth more than that and someone will pay him. Miami signed him to 3 years in order to retain tradeing rights because they traded a lot to get him and wanted a chance to recoup something. Only by allowing Williams to come back and play would make Ricky attractive to other teams. Miami could have cut him but then they would have gotten nothing. They couldnt trade a retired suspended player. If they only signed him for one year they wouldnt be able to trade him now. The current deal is a simple means to accomplish all of this but it was never expected for Ricky to continue to play under the current contract if he proved himself. It was really only a one year deal even though it says 3 years. 7 year deals are always renegotiated or the player is cut at some point. Its done because the player's signing bonus has certain cap hits. This is a simuliar situation. Ricky originally had an 8 year contract started in New Orleans. The current deal is a renegotiation of the previous deal. However it is what it is only to allow the Ricky to come back and prove himself so the Phins could recoup some of what they traded to the Saints to get him. Ricky's original signing bonus was already payed by the Saints. The Dolphins only had to cover performance based bonuses. That previous contract included Ricky's previous 2 seasons with the team in which he outperformed and received incentive bonuses as well as this past season. When you look at those 3 seasons and the amount of cash actually paid to Williams by Miami (not New Orleans), Williams has easily justified his pay. The way Williams has performed in the NFL he deserved a new contract anyway. You could even make the arguement that he has justified the 2 first round picks he was traded for by gaining over 4500 yards and 33 TDs for Miami.

The past is pretty much settled. Now its about trading Ricky and letting some other team negotiate a new contract or keeping him and renegotiating themselves. With Brown there and Ricky haveing proven himself, he'll likely be traded.
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