Boston
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Kraft said yesterday they would be moving quickly...the big questions are GM then OC...if they don't nail the GM position it won't matter who is coaching.
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Kraft said yesterday they would be moving quickly...the big questions are GM then OC...if they don't nail the GM position it won't matter who is coaching.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I don't use the word "hate" very often but
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Do you think the Pats and Vrabel would be happy with naming him GM? Or does he really want to coach?
Boston
Footballguy
He seems like a HC to me, but I felt the exact same way about Brad Stevens...was totally shocked when he became GM...and could not be happier with the job he is doing.
He wouldn't be good.
He's very much a playing favorites type and has an obsession with former Texans so you'd probably see a dozen Titans on the Pats- ten of which you're wondering- why him?
I still want to know why JRob has been in NE so much since October. I have not seen him on a list for interviews just writers mentioning he could get interviews.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lions HC/GM candidates with requested interviews:
- OC Ben Johnson (5) - Chargers, Commanders, Falcons, Panthers, Titans
- DC Aaron Glenn (4) - Chargers, Commanders, Falcons, Titans
- COO Mike Disner (1) - Panthers GM position
massraider
Footballguy
Ian Rapaport brings up Belichick to Carolina.
I put no stock in this, but BB to CAR would be quite a story.
massraider
Footballguy
I don't pretend to know Belichick but I pretend to know Belichick in the sense that I simply don't see him getting along with certain owners
Vrabel named (DL coach) Terrell Williams assistant head coach and IIRC he coached the team during a preseason game and the week leading up to it and during the bye week. This was supposedly "good on you" Vrabel.
However he hasn't been mentioned for a thing.
Chris Harris was a big deal supposedly when the Titans got him as a DB coach (D pass game coordinator) and the vibe was he may only be with the Titans a year because he's an up n comer. He's not been mentioned for a thing.
Shane Bowen. He's worked with Vrabel Schwartz and Haslett, had massive turnover (twice over 45%) and injuries(three times most in NFL) and they're usually middle to top ten which is darn good for playing second and third stringers. He hasn't gotten a sniff
However he hasn't been mentioned for a thing.
Chris Harris was a big deal supposedly when the Titans got him as a DB coach (D pass game coordinator) and the vibe was he may only be with the Titans a year because he's an up n comer. He's not been mentioned for a thing.
Shane Bowen. He's worked with Vrabel Schwartz and Haslett, had massive turnover (twice over 45%) and injuries(three times most in NFL) and they're usually middle to top ten which is darn good for playing second and third stringers. He hasn't gotten a sniff
Many said Vrabel would be scooped up right away. He hasn't even had an interview.
I said earlier how Pat Kirwan said when a guy like Vrabel becomes available, a GM that was on the fence may suddenly make a move to fire his head coach thinking this is his opportunity. He used the Eagles as an example.
ESPN today mentions the Eagles could move on from their coach despite their recent success.
Whether it happens or not, nice hip shot by Pat.
The Eagles displeasure with coaching shows how thankless the biz side can be. Their staff was about stripped by promotions; so there was definitely an adjustment period that was to follow and at the moment they don't seem to have any patience
I said earlier how Pat Kirwan said when a guy like Vrabel becomes available, a GM that was on the fence may suddenly make a move to fire his head coach thinking this is his opportunity. He used the Eagles as an example.
ESPN today mentions the Eagles could move on from their coach despite their recent success.
Whether it happens or not, nice hip shot by Pat.
The Eagles displeasure with coaching shows how thankless the biz side can be. Their staff was about stripped by promotions; so there was definitely an adjustment period that was to follow and at the moment they don't seem to have any patience
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed…after he got fired in Cleveland he realized a good Owner would be a key to his success…that is why he turned down the Jets…he had serious concerns about ownership…the only way I could see him being interested in Carolina is if they are the only team willing to give him full control…IMO this would end up being a disaster.
abrunn1133
Footballguy
Jerod Mayo gets the Pats job. He was literally working for the same company that I do 5(ish) years ago. I wonder if there is hope for me...
fatness
Footballguy
Link to go with this news.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...ve-for-the-new-ownership-source-says/3514767/
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Disner I'm guessing is the salary cap guy. Probably a good guy to keep?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Yes. Also the guy who suggested interviewing Brad Holmes. Was the guy who brokered the truce with Megatron. They’ve promoted him every year. West Bloomfield native but started with the Patriots.
Think the young guy we hired from USC last year would replace him.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/39290103/it-was-patriot-way
Here's an insider article on Belichick and Pats meetings by ESPN.
Here's an insider article on Belichick and Pats meetings by ESPN.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
He’s the guy I wanted most for the Pats GM position. Got his start as a Pats scout so it would’ve been a homecoming of sorts. I’m guessing now they promote from within with Eliot Wolf, which I mean… I hope he at least has a different approach to the Draft than BB did. We’ll see what they do but if the plan is to hire someone quickly to work with Mayo then it may make sense to look no further than the same building. Usually you hire the GM first and then let them look for their HC so doing it the other way around limits the possible candidates.
Amy Trask mentioned Pioli
Robinson mentioned on Sirius yesterday with Pioli.
There seems to be an assumed vibe that the Pats want one of their guys or formerly their guys.
I haven't read that to be true but there's probably never been so many articles on a situation as there is because BB is a legend so I've skipped many articles
-OZ-
Footballguy
BB needs 26 wins to pass Shula. I don’t know if that’s his goal but if he wants a chance there’s no way he signs with the panthers.
Seahawks would be very interesting.
If Dallas loses tomorrow things can get even more interesting quick.
Radio, talking about Commanders process.
Myers, former Golden State warriors, first two questions for new hire GM Peters-
What do you need?
What will you do with that?
Myers said he'll have clarification (or followup) questions but that's all he really needs for an interview is two questions.
Host saying he was asked why he interviewed Peters- Everyone he spoke to said he was the top candidate.
Faaa if that isn't super simple.
The best at many things often make it seem so easy and...I'm just sort of blown away here
Myers, former Golden State warriors, first two questions for new hire GM Peters-
What do you need?
What will you do with that?
Myers said he'll have clarification (or followup) questions but that's all he really needs for an interview is two questions.
Host saying he was asked why he interviewed Peters- Everyone he spoke to said he was the top candidate.
Faaa if that isn't super simple.
The best at many things often make it seem so easy and...I'm just sort of blown away here
Lansdowne
Footballguy
26 wins is for regular season, not counting playoffs. The more realistic goal is all-time including playoffs, which he is only 14 wins away from tying. Should be an attainable goal in two seasons or even one if he picks the right team and has a deep playoff run. If the Cowboys choke to the Packers on Sunday then I have to think they’re the favorite to land him.
massraider
Footballguy
I don't think anyone of stature even close to Bill's will go near Tepper.
He's angry chubby Danny Snyder.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Thanks, I had heard 14 before But then checked the list. Not realizing post season wasn’t included. Both are reachable with the right team. That right team can be Dallas, Seattle, Philly or LA.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Schefter: Antonio Pierce the favorite for Raiders HC
Thin resume, but he deserves it IMO
Thin resume, but he deserves it IMO
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Why?
They'd be out of their minds not hiring him. The players love playing for him.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Wait, they actually hire interim coaches who did well and the players like?
Yeah. They need to hire one of the few that follow in the Vrabel and Ryans mold.
It doesn't happen often. He seems like a great motivator.Wait, they actually hire interim coaches who did well and the players like?
Yeah. They need to hire one of the few that follow in the Vrabel and Ryans mold.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Phil Perry is saying they’re sticking with the people they already have in the front office, mainly Matt Groh and Eliot Wolf. Which scares me some because I don’t know how much the Tyquan Thornton and Cole Strange picks were their doing and how much was Bill Belichick’s doing. I really would’ve preferred they clean house with the entire staff and start over.
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Boston
Footballguy
That is not good news and I don’t see any fans being happy with this…they need someone not on the current staff to be the new GM…if they screw up this side of things they will be bad for a long time regardless of who the HC is.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Exactly. That 2022 draft was gross and that was Groh’s doing. I’m not happy with this. Coaching wasn’t the issue, roster building was, and if they’re continuing using the same people to roster build then they may as well have stuck with BB. This is sounding more and more like the Krafts not wanting to make dramatic changes, just wanting BB out of the building and nothing more, and I can’t vibe with that at all. BB isn’t the only reason for the decline and firing him alone and leaving everything else as is won’t make it better. This has Jonathan Kraft written all over it.
Boston
Footballguy
One of BB's undoings was surrounding himself with yes-men and getting zero input from outside of his world (both on his coaching staff and in the front office)...I would hate to see the Krafts fall into this same trap of comfort...I am fine with Mayo getting a chance but the personnel side of things is a totally different story...that is what is causing the majority of their issues and they need to totally revamp how they conduct business.
massraider
Footballguy
Florio makes his guess, as of now:
I saw this morning that they're in no rush and may not hire one til after the draft...let me find that. I thought I posted it here. Seemed odd
It must have been Schefter or Callahan I saw
Adam Schefter Provides Insight On Patriots' GM Search
ESPN's Adam Schefter on Saturday provided insight on the Patriots general manager search, and it sounds like it might take a while.
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Boston
Footballguy
It must have been Schefter or Callahan I saw
Adam Schefter Provides Insight On Patriots' GM Search
ESPN's Adam Schefter on Saturday provided insight on the Patriots general manager search, and it sounds like it might take a while.
That would be really odd...this offseason is beyond important and I don't see what the benefit is to not having your new GM charting the course.
A month or so ago, there was a tweet how Harbaugh was offered a suite at Chargers stadium.
He's been firmly in the rumored plans for them and that guy gets no credit. Me, I can't remember who mentioned that to give him credit but...I can't explain why he'd get a suite for any other reason
He's been firmly in the rumored plans for them and that guy gets no credit. Me, I can't remember who mentioned that to give him credit but...I can't explain why he'd get a suite for any other reason
There's a weird feeling people talk of- how the new GM is using someone else's staff and info and not his own until they've been there a whole calendar year and he can say how he wants things and what quirks he wants on scouting reports.It must have been Schefter or Callahan I saw
Adam Schefter Provides Insight On Patriots' GM Search
ESPN's Adam Schefter on Saturday provided insight on the Patriots general manager search, and it sounds like it might take a while.
That would be really odd...this offseason is beyond important and I don't see what the benefit is to not having your new GM charting the course.
Titans GM Ran has given himself credit on every good pick and pointed out that Ryan Cowden (interim GM for a bit) ran the draft board when there's negativity about a pick. I have a huge prob with Ran's character? leadership? flaws- this and saying he wasn't sure the vision of the franchise.
My thoughts are FF related and I don't think I'm Soo wrong in the generalization. If I used your cheatsheet or your notes I'd do fine because I'm not pretentious as if I hadn't followed FF til the day I was hired. Further the whole industry is 'use my rankings" at its most widdled down description.
Supposing certain attributes or redeeming qualities a new GM looks for...hired in January, plenty of time to read up til April.
JRob was one of several GMs that spoke of mock drafting before the actual draft as a prep tool- do that too, especially if you're unfamiliar or unsure.
I just...I see a lot of copouts.
Monte Ossenfort was rolling in Arizona. He wasn't making an excuse that he'd been with the Titans the prior year.
Robinson's best draft was when he drafted right away. Conklin, Henry, Byard, even Tajae Sharpe who outdid his fifth round grade.
I remember Croom quotes and Blake (top scout) quotes on Henry. Again, if a GM needs to be told about the Heisman winner I'd fire him BUT asking the longtime RB coach and top scout sounds like perfect wisdom to seek.
Kraft seems to have his ear to the fans now. I hope y'all bark about this loudly and get an accountable GM soon.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Vrabel has let the word out that he may take a year or two off.
Obviously this can be spun a few ways but for me this is "if I don't get what I want (including $) I'm just going to take some time off."
He was also seen with JRob in TEN so I guess JRob in New England curiosity stuff will die down. Pretty sure this was mostly Titans fans curiosity but still.
Obviously this can be spun a few ways but for me this is "if I don't get what I want (including $) I'm just going to take some time off."
He was also seen with JRob in TEN so I guess JRob in New England curiosity stuff will die down. Pretty sure this was mostly Titans fans curiosity but still.
