Indy & NE RB duos (1 Viewer)

[LGOA]

I won't vote here, b/c I am an Indy homer, but why all the love for the Pats "2-headed rushing attack"?

I live in Boston (North Shore for Pats homers who might challenge that), and if you asked 10 people here this question, 10 people would say Maroney and Dillon..I think mostly because they wear the Patriots uniform. I think it's worth a closer look, especially considering where Addai was taken in the draft by Indy (after Maroney and D.Wil). Some points:

Rushing Yards:

Addai & Rhodes = 746

Maroney & Dillon = 728 yards

Receptions & Receiving Yards

Addai & Rhodes = 33 for 255 yards

Maroney & Dillon = 12 for 159

TD's

Addai & Rhodes = 5

Maroney & Dillon = 7

Actually, when you dissect this even further and compare just Addai to the best of the Pats RBs (Maroney), the disparity grows considerably:

Addai: 447 yards in 87 attempts

Maroney: 395 yards in 94 attempts

Addai averages 5.1 yards per carry (with a long of 21), almost one yard more per carry than Maroney at 4.2. Further, one of Maroney's carries was 41 yards, which brings his average up considerably. Take that run away, and he's 3.8 ypc.

Addai has 19 receptions for 144 yards, Maroney has 9 for 110.

Maroney has one more TD than Addai with 3 vs. 2.

Frankly, I think one of the great substories in Sunday's game is the look we'll get at 2 guys who should be great RBs for years to come. Who's better? Time will tell, but WHERE'S THE LOVE FOR THE INDY RUNNING GAME?

Go Colts!

 

[DonPats]

I won't vote here, b/c I am an Indy homer, but why all the love for the Pats "2-headed rushing attack"?

I live in Boston (North Shore for Pats homers who might challenge that), and if you asked 10 people here this question, 10 people would say Maroney and Dillon..I think mostly because they wear the Patriots uniform. I think it's worth a closer look, especially considering where Addai was taken in the draft by Indy (after Maroney and D.Wil). Some points:

Rushing Yards:

Addai & Rhodes = 746

Maroney & Dillon = 728 yards

Receptions & Receiving Yards

Addai & Rhodes = 33 for 255 yards

Maroney & Dillon = 12 for 159

TD's

Addai & Rhodes = 5

Maroney & Dillon = 7

Actually, when you dissect this even further and compare just Addai to the best of the Pats RBs (Maroney), the disparity grows considerably:

Addai: 447 yards in 87 attempts

Maroney: 395 yards in 94 attempts

Addai averages 5.1 yards per carry (with a long of 21), almost one yard more per carry than Maroney at 4.2. Further, one of Maroney's carries was 41 yards, which brings his average up considerably. Take that run away, and he's 3.8 ypc.

Addai has 19 receptions for 144 yards, Maroney has 9 for 110.

Maroney has one more TD than Addai with 3 vs. 2.

Frankly, I think one of the great substories in Sunday's game is the look we'll get at 2 guys who should be great RBs for years to come. Who's better? Time will tell, but WHERE'S THE LOVE FOR THE INDY RUNNING GAME?

Go Colts!

I voted for Maroney and Dillion but your research is impressive.I believe Colts would swap their backs with Pat's in heart beat.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Maroney and Dillon (suburb of Boston )

Some good numbers there, but one of the things I think you're missing is that Kevin Faulk also gets substantial playing time on 3rd downs and more obvious passing situations. Addai and Rhodes is a true 2 man show, so some of the aggregrate numbers, especially receptions, is a little skewed.

 

[TGinKC]

Agreed, not too many teams stuffing 8 up front to stop Addai/Rhodes with Wayne and harrison running loose.

 

[LGOA]

Maroney and Dillon (suburb of Boston )Some good numbers there, but one of the things I think you're missing is that Kevin Faulk also gets substantial playing time on 3rd downs and more obvious passing situations. Addai and Rhodes is a true 2 man show, so some of the aggregrate numbers, especially receptions, is a little skewed.

Good point, the Colts really don't have a third down back like Faulk. Maybe I'll look at % of team completions and factor that in. HOWEVER, Manning has also vultured two goal line TDs from Addai & Rhodes this year...go figure!!

 

[pantagrapher]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

 

[djcolts]

Rhodes is way, way worse than the other 3. So, this should 100 to 0 in favor of Dillon and Maroney.

 

[LGOA]

Agreed, not too many teams stuffing 8 up front to stop Addai/Rhodes with Wayne and harrison running loose.

Quite conversly, with Indy playing from behind most of the season, the Indy RBs have had less running opportunities than they should have. You're right, they aren't putting 8 in the box, but that's partly because the Colts have been forced to throw to play catch-up most of the season.

 

[LGOA]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

Based on waht?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Agreed, not too many teams stuffing 8 up front to stop Addai/Rhodes with Wayne and harrison running loose.

Quite conversly, with Indy playing from behind most of the season, the Indy RBs have had less running opportunities than they should have. You're right, they aren't putting 8 in the box, but that's partly because the Colts have been forced to throw to play catch-up most of the season.

Total Carries:Addai + Rhodes = 182Maroney + Dillon = 179

 

[TheFanatic]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

As an Addai owner in this league I agree with this.....I was sitting there waiting to take Maroney in my draft when a guy in my league ponied up big time to swap picks and I took Addai (he at money from my cap, offered me a nice player and a pick). I wish I would've taken Maroney, but not having DDavis on my squad has helped out a great deal...

 

[pantagrapher]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

Based on waht?

Watching them play. I can't imagine anyone who's objectively watched both players thinks Addai is a better running back (if someone does, I'd love to see them come forward and make the argument). Maroney is also a superior blocker. Not to mention kickoff returner.

 

[LGOA]

Agreed, not too many teams stuffing 8 up front to stop Addai/Rhodes with Wayne and harrison running loose.

Quite conversly, with Indy playing from behind most of the season, the Indy RBs have had less running opportunities than they should have. You're right, they aren't putting 8 in the box, but that's partly because the Colts have been forced to throw to play catch-up most of the season.

Total Carries:Addai + Rhodes = 182Maroney + Dillon = 179

18 more yards on 3 additional carries. 6 yards per...that ain't bad.

 

[Phlash]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

Based on waht?

Watching them play. I can't imagine anyone who's objectively watched both players thinks Addai is a better running back (if someone does, I'd love to see them come forward and make the argument). Maroney is also a superior blocker. Not to mention kickoff returner.

Addai = very goodMaroney = all world

 

[PatsWillWin]

Agreed, not too many teams stuffing 8 up front to stop Addai/Rhodes with Wayne and harrison running loose.

Quite conversly, with Indy playing from behind most of the season, the Indy RBs have had less running opportunities than they should have. You're right, they aren't putting 8 in the box, but that's partly because the Colts have been forced to throw to play catch-up most of the season.

Total Carries:Addai + Rhodes = 182Maroney + Dillon = 179

18 more yards on 3 additional carries. 6 yards per...that ain't bad.

Yes, but the point is you had just said that the Colts RB's have not had as much opportunity to run as the NE RB's - that is not borne out by the numbers.

 

[LGOA]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

Based on waht?

Watching them play. I can't imagine anyone who's objectively watched both players thinks Addai is a better running back (if someone does, I'd love to see them come forward and make the argument). Maroney is also a superior blocker. Not to mention kickoff returner.

Trust me, living in NE, I watch both teams play. In addition, I think my analysis above is pretty objective, it's THE NUMBERS. Look, I can't say for sure that Addai is or will be BETTER long term, and that's not what I'm saying, but it like it's a crime to mention that their talent levels are even similar, while the numbers indicate Addai might be as good or better to this point (as a running back, mind you---addai doesn't return kicks, so let's stick to apple and apples)

 

[Raagsreth]

I heard Maroney was god, true false?

 

[pantagrapher]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

Based on waht?

Watching them play. I can't imagine anyone who's objectively watched both players thinks Addai is a better running back (if someone does, I'd love to see them come forward and make the argument). Maroney is also a superior blocker. Not to mention kickoff returner.

Trust me, living in NE, I watch both teams play. In addition, I think my analysis above is pretty objective, it's THE NUMBERS. Look, I can't say for sure that Addai is or will be BETTER long term, and that's not what I'm saying, but it like it's a crime to mention that their talent levels are even similar, while the numbers indicate Addai might be as good or better to this point (as a running back, mind you---addai doesn't return kicks, so let's stick to apple and apples)

Granted, Addai has better numbers halfway into their first season in the NFL. I'm not arguing the numbers right now, but you can't look at them in a vacuum and claim objectivity. You try to dismiss Maroney's longest run to help prop up your argument, and that's certainly not very objective. Maroney is a much better running back. It's not a crime to mention that their talent levels are similar. But I strongly disagree and believe the future will bear that out.

 

[pantagrapher]

I heard Maroney was god, true false?

You're thinking of Reggie Bush.

 

[Brizz]

If you are asking basaed on this week's match up, I have to take Dillon / Maroney

Indy Run Def is reallly bad (big factor).

 

[LGOA]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

Based on waht?

Watching them play. I can't imagine anyone who's objectively watched both players thinks Addai is a better running back (if someone does, I'd love to see them come forward and make the argument). Maroney is also a superior blocker. Not to mention kickoff returner.

Trust me, living in NE, I watch both teams play. In addition, I think my analysis above is pretty objective, it's THE NUMBERS. Look, I can't say for sure that Addai is or will be BETTER long term, and that's not what I'm saying, but it like it's a crime to mention that their talent levels are even similar, while the numbers indicate Addai might be as good or better to this point (as a running back, mind you---addai doesn't return kicks, so let's stick to apple and apples)

Granted, Addai has better numbers halfway into their first season in the NFL. I'm not arguing the numbers right now, but you can't look at them in a vacuum and claim objectivity. You try to dismiss Maroney's longest run to help prop up your argument, and that's certainly not very objective. Maroney is a much better running back. It's not a crime to mention that their talent levels are similar. But I strongly disagree and believe the future will bear that out.

Panta--You're right. 8 games into their "careers", it's hard to gauge where they are headed, but why after 8 games can I not "look at them in a vacuum" and claim they are performing at least evenly, yet you can be absolutely certain Maroney is a "much better running back"? Also, taking away maroney's 41 yard run did strengthen that argument that it skews his ypc up over 4, that's why I pointed it out. I'm not being biased, I'm pointing out stats. Keep it in there an he's 4.2, that's why I showed it both ways.

Hey, it could be argued that maroney has better break-away speed, and is capable of a 41 yard run, and Addai hasn't shown that. That's a knock on Addai, fine.

I've shown why I think Addai is good, and good enough to be compared Maroney. Now, other than telling me for the third time that Maroney is better, tell me why.

Side note: nice pictures, seriously, cool stuff.

 

[pantagrapher]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

Based on waht?

Watching them play. I can't imagine anyone who's objectively watched both players thinks Addai is a better running back (if someone does, I'd love to see them come forward and make the argument). Maroney is also a superior blocker. Not to mention kickoff returner.

Trust me, living in NE, I watch both teams play. In addition, I think my analysis above is pretty objective, it's THE NUMBERS. Look, I can't say for sure that Addai is or will be BETTER long term, and that's not what I'm saying, but it like it's a crime to mention that their talent levels are even similar, while the numbers indicate Addai might be as good or better to this point (as a running back, mind you---addai doesn't return kicks, so let's stick to apple and apples)

Granted, Addai has better numbers halfway into their first season in the NFL. I'm not arguing the numbers right now, but you can't look at them in a vacuum and claim objectivity. You try to dismiss Maroney's longest run to help prop up your argument, and that's certainly not very objective. Maroney is a much better running back. It's not a crime to mention that their talent levels are similar. But I strongly disagree and believe the future will bear that out.

Panta--You're right. 8 games into their "careers", it's hard to gauge where they are headed, but why after 8 games can I not "look at them in a vacuum" and claim they are performing at least evenly, yet you can be absolutely certain Maroney is a "much better running back"? Also, taking away maroney's 41 yard run did strengthen that argument that it skews his ypc up over 4, that's why I pointed it out. I'm not being biased, I'm pointing out stats. Keep it in there an he's 4.2, that's why I showed it both ways.

Hey, it could be argued that maroney has better break-away speed, and is capable of a 41 yard run, and Addai hasn't shown that. That's a knock on Addai, fine.

I've shown why I think Addai is good, and good enough to be compared Maroney. Now, other than telling me for the third time that Maroney is better, tell me why.

Side note: nice pictures, seriously, cool stuff.

Here's where I'm coming from:I'm in a dynasty league. Going into preseason, I had Addai and Maroney neck and neck. I thought Addai had a better chance to start this season, so I was targeting him. Then I watched Maroney play, and I knew he was the guy I wanted. I trusted my judgment and picked Maroney, so I do have something at stake in him turning out better in the long run. But I don't think my eyes deceived me. He looks faster, stronger, and more decisive than Addai. And he lays wood when he stays in to block.

Addai no doubt entered into a better overall situation for putting up numbers right away, but had Maroney been drafted by the Colts, there's no way he's sharing carries with Rhodes.

By the way, thanks.

 

[Dt's Mules]

I've watched them both quite a bit and I have yet to see a discernable difference in talent level.

 

[yellowdog]

Which running back combination is better?Maroney & Dillon [ 31 ] [96.88%] Addai & Rhodes [ 1 ] [3.13%] Pretty close vote.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I've watched them both quite a bit and I have yet to see a discernable difference in talent level.

Addai has been looking much better lately, but Maroney is still the better back. As far as Dillon/Rhodes, Dillon is obviously past his prime, but is still better than Rhodes.Two things i dont understand though, why is Maroney returning kicks and why is Rhodes still getting carries?

 

[TheFanatic]

Addai no doubt entered into a better overall situation for putting up numbers right away, but had Maroney been drafted by the Colts, there's no way he's sharing carries with Rhodes.

By the way, thanks.

I gotta disagree with this. You have no way of knowing that. Physical talent is one thing. Learning a very complex offense is another. The Colts raved about how Addai was picking up the play book and practically had it down by the start of training camp. We have no idea that Maroney would've been capable of doing that. Rhodes knows the system and blocks well. I doubt they would let a rookie take the bulk of the carries right off the bat at the risk of losing a former NFL MVP from multiple years even if it was a rookie Emmitt Smith, rookie Walter Payton, or rookie Jum Brown. Peyton is the name and face of that organization and a future first ballot guy. They won't risk his health on a rookie who may miss a block or two....

 

[Chreesto]

Full disclosure: I sold my soul (or future draft picks) to get BOTH of these backs in the first round (and Norwood in the 3rd) of my 15 year (so far) dynasty league (where a good rookie runningback is solid gold) I put a lot of thought into these two guys and coming into the draft (our draft was before pre-season) had Addai slightly higher. There was a lot of promising news out of camp about him (being more physical than they thought, smart, hardworking etc) and not too much about Maroney. I loved Maroney in college though so I went with him instead of Dwill or Lendale. After the pre-season I had just about written Addai off as a loss. he just didn't seem to have any burst, on the other hand Maroney looked like a god. I think the pre-season and early regular season have etched this idea of Maroney=God and Addai=bust in peoples' minds. At week 8 in the regular season I am definitely reconsidering. Addai doesn't appear to have the explosiveness that Maroney does BUT he also is extremely consistent. Look at a play by play of Addai's carries and it reads like this 5yds, 6yds, 4yds etc etc etc. Do the same with Maroney and it reads like this -1 yds, 2yds, -3yds, 41yds. I don't think Maroney is as consistent. Who is the better back will probably never be truly known, there are just too many variables in football to answer that kind of question between guys in different situations BUT it seems that Addai has learned a lot since the pre-season and his performance lately, coupled with Maroney's cooling off, makes the question seem to be a good one.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

Based on waht?

Watching them play. I can't imagine anyone who's objectively watched both players thinks Addai is a better running back (if someone does, I'd love to see them come forward and make the argument). Maroney is also a superior blocker. Not to mention kickoff returner.

Trust me, living in NE, I watch both teams play. In addition, I think my analysis above is pretty objective, it's THE NUMBERS. Look, I can't say for sure that Addai is or will be BETTER long term, and that's not what I'm saying, but it like it's a crime to mention that their talent levels are even similar, while the numbers indicate Addai might be as good or better to this point (as a running back, mind you---addai doesn't return kicks, so let's stick to apple and apples)

NUMBERS can tell many misleading stories. Addai NEVER faces 8 men in the box - because teams play a lot of nickel defense vs the Colts. Maroney frequently faces 8-man fronts. And he's still putting up good stats. So yeah, the numbers you reference are impressive - but not necessarily meaningful. With that in mind, Addai has impressed me this year. He's a far more natural runner than I expected, and obviously his receiving skills are strong. But in the long run, I still expect Maroney to be the superior runner. He runs well up the gut, but more importantly, he has the speed to get outside and break away from the pack. He's also a solid receiver (not as good as Addai obviously).

 

[Garts]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

Based on waht?

Watching them play. I can't imagine anyone who's objectively watched both players thinks Addai is a better running back (if someone does, I'd love to see them come forward and make the argument). Maroney is also a superior blocker. Not to mention kickoff returner.

Trust me, living in NE, I watch both teams play. In addition, I think my analysis above is pretty objective, it's THE NUMBERS. Look, I can't say for sure that Addai is or will be BETTER long term, and that's not what I'm saying, but it like it's a crime to mention that their talent levels are even similar, while the numbers indicate Addai might be as good or better to this point (as a running back, mind you---addai doesn't return kicks, so let's stick to apple and apples)

NUMBERS can tell many misleading stories. Addai NEVER faces 8 men in the box - because teams play a lot of nickel defense vs the Colts. Maroney frequently faces 8-man fronts. And he's still putting up good stats. So yeah, the numbers you reference are impressive - but not necessarily meaningful. With that in mind, Addai has impressed me this year. He's a far more natural runner than I expected, and obviously his receiving skills are strong. But in the long run, I still expect Maroney to be the superior runner. He runs well up the gut, but more importantly, he has the speed to get outside and break away from the pack. He's also a solid receiver (not as good as Addai obviously).

Addai will be a great all-round back who is perfect for Indy....Maroney will be a top 5 back who can score from anywhere at anytime and ring up 150 yard games with ease.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

OK...the Colts / Pats threads are getting out of control here...

 

[nortobc]

I am a huge LSU fan and follow former LSU players, so I like Addai. He is a good RB and will have a solid NFL career if he stays healthy, but I had to vote for Moroney/Dillon. Moroney looks like he will be a top 3 RB in the league as soon as next season. He has been awesome this season.

 

[nortobc]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

Maroney might be better, but not by much. Addai is pretty damn good at all aspects of being a RB.

 

[nortobc]

Maroney is a better running back than Addai. I don't even think it's very close. The numbers will bear it out when all is said and done.

Based on waht?

Watching them play. I can't imagine anyone who's objectively watched both players thinks Addai is a better running back (if someone does, I'd love to see them come forward and make the argument). Maroney is also a superior blocker. Not to mention kickoff returner.

Did you not see what Addai did against the All World Broncos defense IN Denver?

 

[GregR_2]

OK...the Colts / Pats threads are getting out of control here...

Does this mean I shouldn't post my "Who has the better punter" poll?