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Time for Google to buy Adobe already and let the games begin.

As an aside I do find it interesting that just a few years ago we were discussing Microsoft's monolithic presence in computing and how Apple was just a gnat in their ear. In a remarkably short timeframe, Apple has turned around from a niche PC manufacturer to one of the largest consumer electronics companies in the world, the world's largest music retailer all while steadily growing their PC market share quietly in the background. Whether you like the company or not, what they've done from a business standpoint is nothing short of remarkable. In addition I dare say Microsoft is in trouble. Sure, there is always that PC business there but that's a declining segment relative to the exponential growth we're seeing in the portable computing segment. iPhone OS and Android are shaping up to be the two real players where while WinMo seems to be paying the price for sitting on their ### content with pushing the status quo. I also think we're finally going to see the thin client start to make headway into offices as well as homes. I suspect in the next 5 years or so we'll be looking back at Microsoft as performing one of the largest corporate bellyflops in history.

 

[goonsquad]

Time for Google to buy Adobe already and let the games begin.

Time for everyone to embrace HTML 5, let Flash die a slow death and let the rest of us move on with our internet.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Time for Google to buy Adobe already and let the games begin.

As an aside I do find it interesting that just a few years ago we were discussing Microsoft's monolithic presence in computing and how Apple was just a gnat in their ear. In a remarkably short timeframe, Apple has turned around from a niche PC manufacturer to one of the largest consumer electronics companies in the world, the world's largest music retailer all while steadily growing their PC market share quietly in the background. Whether you like the company or not, what they've done from a business standpoint is nothing short of remarkable. In addition I dare say Microsoft is in trouble. Sure, there is always that PC business there but that's a declining segment relative to the exponential growth we're seeing in the portable computing segment. iPhone OS and Android are shaping up to be the two real players where while WinMo seems to be paying the price for sitting on their ### content with pushing the status quo. I also think we're finally going to see the thin client start to make headway into offices as well as homes. I suspect in the next 5 years or so we'll be looking back at Microsoft as performing one of the largest corporate bellyflops in history.

Haven't they already? More interesting is figuring out the next generation of winners and losers. Apple is the big winner of the past 5-8 years, but I wonder if they're not making the same mistake they made in the mid-80s with their closed source OS. Over the long run, how can they compete for market share with an open source Android?Are we watching Apple's peak?

 

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Are we watching Apple's peak?

I wouldn't say peak, but I'd say we're seeing them near their top. One thing apple is being smart about is they're using small things (ipods) to gain brand awareness among the masses. Then they used slightly larger things (iPhones) to get people familar with an operating system. This all results in increased PC sales but that's not what Apple is really after.Sitting off on the sidelines is still one little factor that Apple has been waiting on, AppleTV. I think once apple has a strong hold on tablet computing they're going after the entertainment center. If you're familiar with your iPhone/iPad and all your music and movies are in iTunes.... then why NOT just get an AppleTV box (much improved over what they have now) to handle your media service. It's a no brainer since it will all be tightly integrated.Then your media will be housed on a server (might even be in that TV box the way storage is decreasing in size) with a high speed connection to stream anything you don't already have. Imagine 10TB of solid state storage in a box the size of as sandwich with HDMI, Optical Digital Audio, etc. All fully controlled by any iPhone, iPad, iPod from anywhere in the house via wifi (or remotely via the web). Think slingbox meets DVR, meets Blockbuster, Netflx, Youtube, and every other media source all rolled up into one neat device. Thinking big picture... I think Apple is just getting warmed up.

 

[LokiKx]

Time for Google to buy Adobe already and let the games begin.

As an aside I do find it interesting that just a few years ago we were discussing Microsoft's monolithic presence in computing and how Apple was just a gnat in their ear.

In a remarkably short timeframe, Apple has turned around from a niche PC manufacturer to one of the largest consumer electronics companies in the world, the world's largest music retailer all while steadily growing their PC market share quietly in the background.

Whether you like the company or not, what they've done from a business standpoint is nothing short of remarkable.

In addition I dare say Microsoft is in trouble. Sure, there is always that PC business there but that's a declining segment relative to the exponential growth we're seeing in the portable computing segment. iPhone OS and Android are shaping up to be the two real players where while WinMo seems to be paying the price for sitting on their ### content with pushing the status quo. I also think we're finally going to see the thin client start to make headway into offices as well as homes.

I suspect in the next 5 years or so we'll be looking back at Microsoft as performing one of the largest corporate bellyflops in history.

One of the largest? Top 5 Top 10 Top 20?Largest music retailer in the world? I thought they were 3rd in the US.

Could you point some facts out on this?

 

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[the moops]

Time for Google to buy Adobe already and let the games begin.

As an aside I do find it interesting that just a few years ago we were discussing Microsoft's monolithic presence in computing and how Apple was just a gnat in their ear.

In a remarkably short timeframe, Apple has turned around from a niche PC manufacturer to one of the largest consumer electronics companies in the world, the world's largest music retailer all while steadily growing their PC market share quietly in the background.

Whether you like the company or not, what they've done from a business standpoint is nothing short of remarkable.

In addition I dare say Microsoft is in trouble. Sure, there is always that PC business there but that's a declining segment relative to the exponential growth we're seeing in the portable computing segment. iPhone OS and Android are shaping up to be the two real players where while WinMo seems to be paying the price for sitting on their ### content with pushing the status quo. I also think we're finally going to see the thin client start to make headway into offices as well as homes.

I suspect in the next 5 years or so we'll be looking back at Microsoft as performing one of the largest corporate bellyflops in history.

One of the largest? Top 5 Top 10 Top 20?Largest music retailer in the world? I thought they were 3rd in the US.

Could you point some facts out on this?

First google link

 

[LokiKx]

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I'll take that as a no. You guys are very funny. I simply ask for you to point to the facts and you can't. My guess is they are around 3rd in US as a music retailer but I could be wrong. I doubt they are top 20 in the world for consumer electronics. It would've been nice for someone stating where they ranked to have a link for us to read.Instead they ignore anyone that questions what they spit out.

 

[LokiKx]

Time for Google to buy Adobe already and let the games begin.

As an aside I do find it interesting that just a few years ago we were discussing Microsoft's monolithic presence in computing and how Apple was just a gnat in their ear.

In a remarkably short timeframe, Apple has turned around from a niche PC manufacturer to one of the largest consumer electronics companies in the world, the world's largest music retailer all while steadily growing their PC market share quietly in the background.

Whether you like the company or not, what they've done from a business standpoint is nothing short of remarkable.

In addition I dare say Microsoft is in trouble. Sure, there is always that PC business there but that's a declining segment relative to the exponential growth we're seeing in the portable computing segment. iPhone OS and Android are shaping up to be the two real players where while WinMo seems to be paying the price for sitting on their ### content with pushing the status quo. I also think we're finally going to see the thin client start to make headway into offices as well as homes.

I suspect in the next 5 years or so we'll be looking back at Microsoft as performing one of the largest corporate bellyflops in history.

One of the largest? Top 5 Top 10 Top 20?Largest music retailer in the world? I thought they were 3rd in the US.

Could you point some facts out on this?

First google link

I thought Wal-mart and best buy had moved ahead since 2010. That's why I was asking. The link is from 2008.

 

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I'll take that as a no. You guys are very funny. I simply ask for you to point to the facts and you can't. My guess is they are around 3rd in US as a music retailer but I could be wrong. I doubt they are top 20 in the world for consumer electronics. It would've been nice for someone stating where they ranked to have a link for us to read.Instead they ignore anyone that questions what they spit out.

One post up.

 

[LokiKx]

Time for Google to buy Adobe already and let the games begin.

As an aside I do find it interesting that just a few years ago we were discussing Microsoft's monolithic presence in computing and how Apple was just a gnat in their ear.

In a remarkably short timeframe, Apple has turned around from a niche PC manufacturer to one of the largest consumer electronics companies in the world, the world's largest music retailer all while steadily growing their PC market share quietly in the background.

Whether you like the company or not, what they've done from a business standpoint is nothing short of remarkable.

In addition I dare say Microsoft is in trouble. Sure, there is always that PC business there but that's a declining segment relative to the exponential growth we're seeing in the portable computing segment. iPhone OS and Android are shaping up to be the two real players where while WinMo seems to be paying the price for sitting on their ### content with pushing the status quo. I also think we're finally going to see the thin client start to make headway into offices as well as homes.

I suspect in the next 5 years or so we'll be looking back at Microsoft as performing one of the largest corporate bellyflops in history.

One of the largest? Top 5 Top 10 Top 20?Largest music retailer in the world? I thought they were 3rd in the US.

Could you point some facts out on this?

First google link

I thought Wal-mart and best buy had moved ahead since 2010. That's why I was asking. The link is from 2008.

Since [icon] rather go hide. I found it myselfUseful

 

[LokiKx]

If someone useful really does have the stats for consumer electronics it would be interesting to see.

 

[California]

Time for Google to buy Adobe already and let the games begin.

Time for everyone to embrace HTML 5, let Flash die a slow death and let the rest of us move on with our internet.

This has nothing to do with HTML 5.Apple's policy on Flash is well known and I understand their reasons for it ($), even tho I don't agree with them. I hate Flash btw.Apple's new policy saying you can't develop an iphone app with a Flash scripting language makes no sense, other than to give Adobe the middle finger.If a final iphone app works fine and is approved by the app store, who cares which program or language it was compiled with? Technically, this just doesn't affect Adobe either, most of the top selling iphones games were programmed with unity3D, which would be illegal under the new terms.A coworker of mine who makes iphone apps as a hobby says the new requirements to program only in Objective C means he has to buy a mac to program. You can't program in this language with Windows.

 

[the moops]

If someone useful really does have the stats for consumer electronics it would be interesting to see.

So, if Apple is what, 100th in the world, will you gloat? What if they are 50th? 500th?Can you admit that they have made huge strides in the past 10 years or so?

 

[Card Trader]

Time for Google to buy Adobe already and let the games begin.

Time for everyone to embrace HTML 5, let Flash die a slow death and let the rest of us move on with our internet.

This has nothing to do with HTML 5.Apple's policy on Flash is well known and I understand their reasons for it ($), even tho I don't agree with them. I hate Flash btw.Apple's new policy saying you can't develop an iphone app with a Flash scripting language makes no sense, other than to give Adobe the middle finger.If a final iphone app works fine and is approved by the app store, who cares which program or language it was compiled with? Technically, this just doesn't affect Adobe either, most of the top selling iphones games were programmed with unity3D, which would be illegal under the new terms.A coworker of mine who makes iphone apps as a hobby says the new requirements to program only in Objective C means he has to buy a mac to program. You can't program in this language with Windows.

On top of that Objective C is a massive pain.

 

[Card Trader]

If someone useful really does have the stats for consumer electronics it would be interesting to see.

So, if Apple is what, 100th in the world, will you gloat? What if they are 50th? 500th?Can you admit that they have made huge strides in the past 10 years or so?

It would be silly to not admit that. There still isn't a better portal music device than the iPod.

 

[scoobygang]

I'll let someone else dig up the Consumer electronics stats but they're up there. You're serious nitpicking here and it's looking REALLY badOff to the bar to watch some Golf... you guys have a good one.

I doubt that Apple is among the largest consumer electronics sellers in the world by volume. According to a recent article in The Economist, Samsung and HP are #1 and #2. Apple may be near the top by profit. Apple makes over 30% profit per unit compared to something like 9% for Samsung.

 

[LokiKx]

If someone useful really does have the stats for consumer electronics it would be interesting to see.

So, if Apple is what, 100th in the world, will you gloat? What if they are 50th? 500th?Can you admit that they have made huge strides in the past 10 years or so?

I stated I thought they would be outside the top 20. I'm not gloating about anything I'm just asking if it is true. Not really sure why you or anyone else has a problem with that. I don't keep up with leading music retailers or consumer electronics companies. So when it's stated I'd like a link to back it up. I always try to provide a link if I have one.I would assume companies such as Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, a whole lot of people selling a whole lot of stuff consumer electronic wise around the world. I just didn't see apple as a top 5 so questioned it. I thought they were still third in music retailing world wide. I posted the link my self in a post.So no need to get snippy and personnel like [icon] calling me a tool just because I ask questions or don't agree with you on something.

 

[LokiKx]

I'll let someone else dig up the Consumer electronics stats but they're up there. You're serious nitpicking here and it's looking REALLY badOff to the bar to watch some Golf... you guys have a good one.

I doubt that Apple is among the largest consumer electronics sellers in the world by volume. According to a recent article in The Economist, Samsung and HP are #1 and #2. Apple may be near the top by profit. Apple makes over 30% profit per unit compared to something like 9% for Samsung.

I didn't even consider HP when I was thinking about it. Kind of surprising they are #2 when they are know for fairly fragile stuff.

 

[The Commish]

Time for Google to buy Adobe already and let the games begin.

As an aside I do find it interesting that just a few years ago we were discussing Microsoft's monolithic presence in computing and how Apple was just a gnat in their ear. In a remarkably short timeframe, Apple has turned around from a niche PC manufacturer to one of the largest consumer electronics companies in the world, the world's largest music retailer all while steadily growing their PC market share quietly in the background. Whether you like the company or not, what they've done from a business standpoint is nothing short of remarkable. In addition I dare say Microsoft is in trouble. Sure, there is always that PC business there but that's a declining segment relative to the exponential growth we're seeing in the portable computing segment. iPhone OS and Android are shaping up to be the two real players where while WinMo seems to be paying the price for sitting on their ### content with pushing the status quo. I also think we're finally going to see the thin client start to make headway into offices as well as homes. I suspect in the next 5 years or so we'll be looking back at Microsoft as performing one of the largest corporate bellyflops in history.

All this depends on how Apple handles the attacks once they become targets. I wouldn't be worried about MS...they are firmly entrenched in the corporate world.

 

[tosberg34]

All this depends on how Apple handles the attacks once they become targets. I wouldn't be worried about MS...they are firmly entrenched in the corporate world.

I have NEVER seen a mac in any workplaces i've been in. I've see them in a lot of movies, though. Has anyone seen a MAC server? Is there such a thing?

 

[LokiKx]

All this depends on how Apple handles the attacks once they become targets. I wouldn't be worried about MS...they are firmly entrenched in the corporate world.

I have NEVER seen a mac in any workplaces i've been in. I've see them in a lot of movies, though. Has anyone seen a MAC server? Is there such a thing?

Used to be.I've seen plenty of Macs in the workplace in fact we have a few here. Major vendors of app management solutions are including support for Macs.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Worst thing about OS4 by far is that it doesn't hit the iPad until Fall. Ughh.

I'm going through the press conference today. Why will iphone/touch get 4.0 in the summer, but ipads in the fall? I know there will be a new iphone in June with 4.0 on it but I thought Apple would want to update their ipads asap.

Surprised at this as well. iPads just shipped a week ago? Why not hold them back 2 weeks, and put 4.0 on them?Gonna be some irate iPad adopters if 4.0 doesn't work on the 1st generation of iPads.

F em, they know that getting a first generation Apple whatever it won't be near as good as the next one out. Everyone knew a better Ipad was coming out soon after the Wifi only one.

 

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F em, they know that getting a first generation Apple whatever it won't be near as good as the next one out. Everyone knew a better Ipad was coming out soon after the Wifi only one.

 

[Walton Goggins]

F em, they know that getting a first generation Apple whatever it won't be near as good as the next one out. Everyone knew a better Ipad was coming out soon after the Wifi only one.

Reminds me of the people who ran out an got the first gen ipod then cried the second gen had a scroll wheel. Opps.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Worst thing about OS4 by far is that it doesn't hit the iPad until Fall. Ughh.

I'm going through the press conference today. Why will iphone/touch get 4.0 in the summer, but ipads in the fall? I know there will be a new iphone in June with 4.0 on it but I thought Apple would want to update their ipads asap.

Surprised at this as well. iPads just shipped a week ago? Why not hold them back 2 weeks, and put 4.0 on them?Gonna be some irate iPad adopters if 4.0 doesn't work on the 1st generation of iPads.

F em, they know that getting a first generation Apple whatever it won't be near as good as the next one out. Everyone knew a better Ipad was coming out soon after the Wifi only one.

Meh, it won't matter. When you get your loyal fanbase excited about "Multitasking!" and "FOLDERS!" in 2010, you know your kool aid is tasty.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Are we watching Apple's peak?

I wouldn't say peak, but I'd say we're seeing them near their top. One thing apple is being smart about is they're using small things (ipods) to gain brand awareness among the masses. Then they used slightly larger things (iPhones) to get people familar with an operating system. This all results in increased PC sales but that's not what Apple is really after.Sitting off on the sidelines is still one little factor that Apple has been waiting on, AppleTV. I think once apple has a strong hold on tablet computing they're going after the entertainment center. If you're familiar with your iPhone/iPad and all your music and movies are in iTunes.... then why NOT just get an AppleTV box (much improved over what they have now) to handle your media service. It's a no brainer since it will all be tightly integrated.Then your media will be housed on a server (might even be in that TV box the way storage is decreasing in size) with a high speed connection to stream anything you don't already have. Imagine 10TB of solid state storage in a box the size of as sandwich with HDMI, Optical Digital Audio, etc. All fully controlled by any iPhone, iPad, iPod from anywhere in the house via wifi (or remotely via the web). Think slingbox meets DVR, meets Blockbuster, Netflx, Youtube, and every other media source all rolled up into one neat device. Thinking big picture... I think Apple is just getting warmed up.

You think they're "near their top" or "just getting warmed up"?J

 

[burritobrother]

Are we watching Apple's peak?

I wouldn't say peak, but I'd say we're seeing them near their top. One thing apple is being smart about is they're using small things (ipods) to gain brand awareness among the masses. Then they used slightly larger things (iPhones) to get people familar with an operating system. This all results in increased PC sales but that's not what Apple is really after.Sitting off on the sidelines is still one little factor that Apple has been waiting on, AppleTV. I think once apple has a strong hold on tablet computing they're going after the entertainment center. If you're familiar with your iPhone/iPad and all your music and movies are in iTunes.... then why NOT just get an AppleTV box (much improved over what they have now) to handle your media service. It's a no brainer since it will all be tightly integrated.Then your media will be housed on a server (might even be in that TV box the way storage is decreasing in size) with a high speed connection to stream anything you don't already have. Imagine 10TB of solid state storage in a box the size of as sandwich with HDMI, Optical Digital Audio, etc. All fully controlled by any iPhone, iPad, iPod from anywhere in the house via wifi (or remotely via the web). Think slingbox meets DVR, meets Blockbuster, Netflx, Youtube, and every other media source all rolled up into one neat device. Thinking big picture... I think Apple is just getting warmed up.

Big Brother would approve.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Worst thing about OS4 by far is that it doesn't hit the iPad until Fall. Ughh.

I'm going through the press conference today. Why will iphone/touch get 4.0 in the summer, but ipads in the fall? I know there will be a new iphone in June with 4.0 on it but I thought Apple would want to update their ipads asap.

Surprised at this as well. iPads just shipped a week ago? Why not hold them back 2 weeks, and put 4.0 on them?Gonna be some irate iPad adopters if 4.0 doesn't work on the 1st generation of iPads.

F em, they know that getting a first generation Apple whatever it won't be near as good as the next one out. Everyone knew a better Ipad was coming out soon after the Wifi only one.

Meh, it won't matter. When you get your loyal fanbase excited about "Multitasking!" and "FOLDERS!" in 2010, you know your kool aid is tasty.

Jobs is smart, why blow your load with the first gen anything when his fanbase will buy it with each new gen model. I am sure the IPad could do more things but why? Put everything on it then you can't come out with 3G or with a camera, etc. Some people MUST buy the new Apple toy, it's very important to them, values their worth, makes them feel good and important. I like the IPad but until they add more things to it I'm not going to get it that's nothing special. Definitely need to jailbreak since Apple products are much better when you remove Jobs' restiction and definitely need more than Wifi. Should be soon (end of month)?

 

[goonsquad]

Time for Google to buy Adobe already and let the games begin.

Time for everyone to embrace HTML 5, let Flash die a slow death and let the rest of us move on with our internet.

This has nothing to do with HTML 5.Apple's policy on Flash is well known and I understand their reasons for it ($), even tho I don't agree with them. I hate Flash btw.Apple's new policy saying you can't develop an iphone app with a Flash scripting language makes no sense, other than to give Adobe the middle finger.If a final iphone app works fine and is approved by the app store, who cares which program or language it was compiled with? Technically, this just doesn't affect Adobe either, most of the top selling iphones games were programmed with unity3D, which would be illegal under the new terms.A coworker of mine who makes iphone apps as a hobby says the new requirements to program only in Objective C means he has to buy a mac to program. You can't program in this language with Windows.

I wasn't referring to Apple's SDK policy for iPhone 4.0. I was referring to the web as a whole, and the larger battle between Flash or moving to HTML 5. As for the new policy on developing in Flash, crazy as it sounds there may be a reason for it. Perhaps Action Script 3 doesn't play well with new functionality in 4.0? Or maybe Steve is just continuing to give the shaft to Adobe for the fun of it. Either way, I have no dog in the fight so I really don't care.

 

[The Commish]

All this depends on how Apple handles the attacks once they become targets. I wouldn't be worried about MS...they are firmly entrenched in the corporate world.

I have NEVER seen a mac in any workplaces i've been in. I've see them in a lot of movies, though. Has anyone seen a MAC server? Is there such a thing?

I see them as work stations in places. That's not new. I've never seen them as servers and probably won't for a long time. Why would we expect to? Apple is popular because of the experience they provide. At it's core it's a linux based system. If I am a business I am cutting through the overhead and just using the linux OS. Their best chance at breaking into the corporate world is by creating an app server. I don't expect this either for many reasons, but the biggest being if they did this, they'd have to create an environment that is MUCH MUCH more open and flexible than anything they've ever done. They'd have to learn how to play with third party disk arrays, web servers and database servers. I just don't see them being interested in going down that path.

 

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Big Brother would approve.

I think you and I have very different opinions on what Big Brother is.

 

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Are we watching Apple's peak?

I wouldn't say peak, but I'd say we're seeing them near their top. One thing apple is being smart about is they're using small things (ipods) to gain brand awareness among the masses. Then they used slightly larger things (iPhones) to get people familar with an operating system. This all results in increased PC sales but that's not what Apple is really after.Sitting off on the sidelines is still one little factor that Apple has been waiting on, AppleTV. I think once apple has a strong hold on tablet computing they're going after the entertainment center. If you're familiar with your iPhone/iPad and all your music and movies are in iTunes.... then why NOT just get an AppleTV box (much improved over what they have now) to handle your media service. It's a no brainer since it will all be tightly integrated.Then your media will be housed on a server (might even be in that TV box the way storage is decreasing in size) with a high speed connection to stream anything you don't already have. Imagine 10TB of solid state storage in a box the size of as sandwich with HDMI, Optical Digital Audio, etc. All fully controlled by any iPhone, iPad, iPod from anywhere in the house via wifi (or remotely via the web). Think slingbox meets DVR, meets Blockbuster, Netflx, Youtube, and every other media source all rolled up into one neat device. Thinking big picture... I think Apple is just getting warmed up.

You think they're "near their top" or "just getting warmed up"?J

If they go after the TV/Home Media market as I expect... just getting warmed up. IF they stay content with portable media devices... near the top.If you put a gun to my head.... I think they've got a 5yr plan that involved an AppleTV box sitting on 20 Million Entertainment Centers.

 

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All this depends on how Apple handles the attacks once they become targets. I wouldn't be worried about MS...they are firmly entrenched in the corporate world.

I have NEVER seen a mac in any workplaces i've been in. I've see them in a lot of movies, though. Has anyone seen a MAC server? Is there such a thing?

I see them as work stations in places. That's not new. I've never seen them as servers and probably won't for a long time. Why would we expect to? Apple is popular because of the experience they provide. At it's core it's a linux based system. If I am a business I am cutting through the overhead and just using the linux OS. Their best chance at breaking into the corporate world is by creating an app server. I don't expect this either for many reasons, but the biggest being if they did this, they'd have to create an environment that is MUCH MUCH more open and flexible than anything they've ever done. They'd have to learn how to play with third party disk arrays, web servers and database servers. I just don't see them being interested in going down that path.

I think Apple has very little interest in going after the Office PC market. Partially for reasons Commish states, and partially because those hardware purchases are typically driven largely by price. Offices want $500 desktops and $750 Laptops. That's not Apples market. They gain marginal share due to the occasional boss or decision maker who's got experience with a Mac and switches certain systems over... but for the most part I see them not going out of their way to get that market.

 

[the moops]

All this depends on how Apple handles the attacks once they become targets. I wouldn't be worried about MS...they are firmly entrenched in the corporate world.

I have NEVER seen a mac in any workplaces i've been in. I've see them in a lot of movies, though. Has anyone seen a MAC server? Is there such a thing?

I work/teach at a 1200 student art and design college. It is a mac school. I am guessing there are 300 mac stations in the school, plus each student is required to have a macbool . There are maybe 2 dozen PCs in the entire school, reserved for the business office folk.I imagine my school, while somewhat unique, is part of a much larger design/animation field that would have plenty of mac workplaces.

 

[wazoo11]

All this depends on how Apple handles the attacks once they become targets. I wouldn't be worried about MS...they are firmly entrenched in the corporate world.

I have NEVER seen a mac in any workplaces i've been in. I've see them in a lot of movies, though. Has anyone seen a MAC server? Is there such a thing?

macs are a must have if you are in a printing industry.

 

[Card Trader]

I have a mac that I use daily at work, seems pretty common in most companies to have a few macs at least.

 

[gmbacm]

All this depends on how Apple handles the attacks once they become targets. I wouldn't be worried about MS...they are firmly entrenched in the corporate world.

I have NEVER seen a mac in any workplaces i've been in. I've see them in a lot of movies, though. Has anyone seen a MAC server? Is there such a thing?

macs are a must have if you are in a printing industry.

This used to be true, but no longer. It essentially comes down to preference but far from a must have. We have print and design shops that use both platforms equally well.Same holds true on the other side of the coin. Macs can and do function just fine as business class machines, but typically lose out due to price.

 

[joey]

All this depends on how Apple handles the attacks once they become targets. I wouldn't be worried about MS...they are firmly entrenched in the corporate world.

I have NEVER seen a mac in any workplaces i've been in. I've see them in a lot of movies, though. Has anyone seen a MAC server? Is there such a thing?

I work/teach at a 1200 student art and design college. It is a mac school. I am guessing there are 300 mac stations in the school, plus each student is required to have a macbool . There are maybe 2 dozen PCs in the entire school, reserved for the business office folk.I imagine my school, while somewhat unique, is part of a much larger design/animation field that would have plenty of mac workplaces.

Mac's are common place in the effects industry as well. But it's usually not the only box someone will have on his/her desktop if doing high end effects. There's almost always a super-powered linux box that does the hard work and the mac is used for texture painting, etc.Right tool for the right job.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Are we watching Apple's peak?

I wouldn't say peak, but I'd say we're seeing them near their top. One thing apple is being smart about is they're using small things (ipods) to gain brand awareness among the masses. Then they used slightly larger things (iPhones) to get people familar with an operating system. This all results in increased PC sales but that's not what Apple is really after.

Sitting off on the sidelines is still one little factor that Apple has been waiting on, AppleTV.

I think once apple has a strong hold on tablet computing they're going after the entertainment center. If you're familiar with your iPhone/iPad and all your music and movies are in iTunes.... then why NOT just get an AppleTV box (much improved over what they have now) to handle your media service. It's a no brainer since it will all be tightly integrated.

Then your media will be housed on a server (might even be in that TV box the way storage is decreasing in size) with a high speed connection to stream anything you don't already have.

Imagine 10TB of solid state storage in a box the size of as sandwich with HDMI, Optical Digital Audio, etc. All fully controlled by any iPhone, iPad, iPod from anywhere in the house via wifi (or remotely via the web). Think slingbox meets DVR, meets Blockbuster, Netflx, Youtube, and every other media source all rolled up into one neat device.

Thinking big picture... I think Apple is just getting warmed up.

You think they're "near their top" or "just getting warmed up"?

J

If they go after the TV/Home Media market as I expect... just getting warmed up.

IF they stay content with portable media devices... near the top.

If you put a gun to my head.... I think they've got a 5yr plan that involved an AppleTV box sitting on 20 Million Entertainment Centers.

Yea, Apple TV is killing that market already

 

[Foosball God]

Are we watching Apple's peak?

I wouldn't say peak, but I'd say we're seeing them near their top. One thing apple is being smart about is they're using small things (ipods) to gain brand awareness among the masses. Then they used slightly larger things (iPhones) to get people familar with an operating system. This all results in increased PC sales but that's not what Apple is really after.

Sitting off on the sidelines is still one little factor that Apple has been waiting on, AppleTV.

I think once apple has a strong hold on tablet computing they're going after the entertainment center. If you're familiar with your iPhone/iPad and all your music and movies are in iTunes.... then why NOT just get an AppleTV box (much improved over what they have now) to handle your media service. It's a no brainer since it will all be tightly integrated.

Then your media will be housed on a server (might even be in that TV box the way storage is decreasing in size) with a high speed connection to stream anything you don't already have.

Imagine 10TB of solid state storage in a box the size of as sandwich with HDMI, Optical Digital Audio, etc. All fully controlled by any iPhone, iPad, iPod from anywhere in the house via wifi (or remotely via the web). Think slingbox meets DVR, meets Blockbuster, Netflx, Youtube, and every other media source all rolled up into one neat device.

Thinking big picture... I think Apple is just getting warmed up.

But only if you buy the dongles.

 

[FigJam]

So, just so I understand this... They took an iPhone, made the screen bigger, removed the phone functionality, and tripled the price? Oh I forgot, AND you get to buy all the apps for it again...



Edit: I should add, I love my Apple notebook, but this is simply S T U P I D.

 

[Jason Bourne]

So, just so I understand this... They took an iPhone, made the screen bigger, removed the phone functionality, and tripled the price? Oh I forgot, AND you get to buy all the apps for it again...

Thats exactly what they did. Can't believe nobody pointed that out.

 

[The Commish]

All this depends on how Apple handles the attacks once they become targets. I wouldn't be worried about MS...they are firmly entrenched in the corporate world.

I have NEVER seen a mac in any workplaces i've been in. I've see them in a lot of movies, though. Has anyone seen a MAC server? Is there such a thing?

I see them as work stations in places. That's not new. I've never seen them as servers and probably won't for a long time. Why would we expect to? Apple is popular because of the experience they provide. At it's core it's a linux based system. If I am a business I am cutting through the overhead and just using the linux OS. Their best chance at breaking into the corporate world is by creating an app server. I don't expect this either for many reasons, but the biggest being if they did this, they'd have to create an environment that is MUCH MUCH more open and flexible than anything they've ever done. They'd have to learn how to play with third party disk arrays, web servers and database servers. I just don't see them being interested in going down that path.

I think Apple has very little interest in going after the Office PC market. Partially for reasons Commish states, and partially because those hardware purchases are typically driven largely by price. Offices want $500 desktops and $750 Laptops. That's not Apples market. They gain marginal share due to the occasional boss or decision maker who's got experience with a Mac and switches certain systems over... but for the most part I see them not going out of their way to get that market.

There's another potential avenue for them if they want to get into the server business that I hadn't thought of until moops posted. That is for all those design firms, schools, graphics companies etc. They could/should come up with some sort file sharing server that does project management / checkout types of things. I don't really see them being good enough to work in the third party database market nor do I think they would have the desire, so this would be perfect for them.ETA: Their biggest problem would be the blade technology. It's unbelievably cheap and incredibly powerful. There was a day when Apple ruled the graphic design and special affects arena, but today that belongs to companies in the blade technologies. You can fit the power of 9-10 servers under a desk now.

 

[Sammy3469]

Here's a stupid question. Once the iPad gets multitasking, is there any reason it won't work as a full-time skype phone using either of the ATT data plans?

 

[Chunky Soup]

If they go after the TV/Home Media market as I expect... just getting warmed up.

IF they stay content with portable media devices... near the top.

If you put a gun to my head.... I think they've got a 5yr plan that involved an AppleTV box sitting on 20 Million Entertainment Centers.

Yea, Apple TV is killing that market already

They're not and that's the point.This will be a good bump in a few years. We don't know, but I agree that Apple has its eyes on the TV market. Just makes too much sense given the paths they've already made there.

 

[FigJam]

Here's a stupid question. Once the iPad gets multitasking, is there any reason it won't work as a full-time skype phone using either of the ATT data plans?

LOL, by then you will be duped into buying Apples latest iPad (aka, iDontknowwhyineverhaveanymoney). Congratulations!

 

[Sammy3469]

Here's a stupid question. Once the iPad gets multitasking, is there any reason it won't work as a full-time skype phone using either of the ATT data plans?

LOL, by then you will be duped into buying Apples latest iPad (aka, iDontknowwhyineverhaveanymoney). Congratulations!

Really that's the best you've got. Let's see I want an e-reader to take with me to Europe/travel. Getting e-mails would be nice as would playing music and video. If it could serve as a skype phone, that would be a bonus. Yeah I'm being duped.

 

[Walton Goggins]

If they go after the TV/Home Media market as I expect... just getting warmed up.

IF they stay content with portable media devices... near the top.

If you put a gun to my head.... I think they've got a 5yr plan that involved an AppleTV box sitting on 20 Million Entertainment Centers.

Yea, Apple TV is killing that market already

They're not and that's the point.This will be a good bump in a few years. We don't know, but I agree that Apple has its eyes on the TV market. Just makes too much sense given the paths they've already made there.

sarcasm Chunky, Apple TV was a colossal failure and they should stay away from TV market

 

[Walton Goggins]

Here's a stupid question. Once the iPad gets multitasking, is there any reason it won't work as a full-time skype phone using either of the ATT data plans?

LOL, by then you will be duped into buying Apples latest iPad (aka, iDontknowwhyineverhaveanymoney). Congratulations!

I like the Ipad but the key is at what version do you buy in? Many will buy first generation anything Apple then act shocked it can't do x,y or z and expect with upgrades that theirs will also be upgraded. F them and no sympathy. See first gen Ipod as prime example.When I can run an Ipad off my data service so I won't be strapped exclusively to wifi I will then seriously consider getting one. My 3 and 5 year old go nuts over my dad's Itouch and they know how to even access apps from an Iphone so this would be useful for them and me when that time comes which should be soon.The key for me is that I have zero desire to get the first gen Ipad just to have the "look at me and how cool I am" when it's clear that in what less than a month the next one will be significantly more flexible and better. I understand some people no matter what want it when it comes out but that's not me.