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But I think you're missing the point, again. Icon is saying it's a potential sleeping giant. I think he's right.sarcasm Chunky, Apple TV was a colossal failure and they should stay away from TV marketThey're not and that's the point.This will be a good bump in a few years. We don't know, but I agree that Apple has its eyes on the TV market. Just makes too much sense given the paths they've already made there.
You've pointed to the iPod as an example many times. Now that we're dealing with almost completely touch screens, the chances of things added goes way down. Look at the iPhone and iPod touch. What were the substantial differences from version 1 until now? The iPad may have that same route. Sure, it may not, but I don't really care too much about a potential camera that I bought in so I can enjoy the device for a longer time.
Heard that since the pre Apple TV daysBut I think you're missing the point, again. Icon is saying it's a potential sleeping giant. I think he's right.sarcasm Chunky, Apple TV was a colossal failure and they should stay away from TV marketThey're not and that's the point.This will be a good bump in a few years. We don't know, but I agree that Apple has its eyes on the TV market. Just makes too much sense given the paths they've already made there.
There is a huge gap waiting to be filled. WMP boxes are a little difficult for people to understand. IPTV wasn't mature enough when they launched AppleTV. This is not going to be the situation if they try this again.
Same thing regarding Iphone and Nano. Wifi only for iphone 1st gen, no MMS, etc; no color for Nano...again the point is that Apple could provide a lot more in their first gen products but why do that when many will buy the second and/or third gen product after buying the first one? If you know someone will buy more than one gen product from you then don't provide more to your customers, provide less. I don't believe for a second that Jobs/Apple doesn't have the capability to provide more and bet that already they could provide more for the Ipad but no need to.I don't care about the camera on the Ipad either but some seem to so then don't buy it then complain that there's no camera (not pointing to you but others who complain after the fact). Even in this thread you hear "I hope I can have x with my Ipad once the newer one comes out and has it" so that's
to me.
Might be a dumb question, but what exactly is "Apple TV"?? Is it their version of a home media center? Apple could probably do something like that VERY VERY well. I'd be interested in their version of a home media center actually.
Sending a 3 year old article saying Apple TV is a dud.Commish, this has some good info.
So it's like a TiVo?? All you can do is download shows/movies to it and watch them or do they have their own broadcast network? Sorry for the dumb questions.
One of many, still relevant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_TV
I think this (and certainly some android version) have a great chance at killing cable TV as we know it. See here.
So it is a very immature version of their home media center it seems....I'll be very interested to see where this goes. I'll also be interested to see where google goes with theirs as well. Does Apple have any partners they have teamed up with or are they insisting to fly solo still??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_TV
I think this (and certainly some android version) have a great chance at killing cable TV as we know it.
Denying the potential of such a product is just silly. Stop, for your own good. And lol at your beef with Apple. Seriously. Did Steve Jobs beat you up back in the day?
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Current version has HDMI out (as well as component). And that's an OLD version that will likely receive a massive overhaul when they officially go after that market.
What partners would they need exactly? They have all the content in place.So it is a very immature version of their home media center it seems....I'll be very interested to see where this goes. I'll also be interested to see where google goes with theirs as well. Does Apple have any partners they have teamed up with or are they insisting to fly solo still??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_TV
I think this (and certainly some android version) have a great chance at killing cable TV as we know it.
Looks like someone's not reading my postings
Tripled the Price? iPhones are cheap because they're subsidized by $100/mo data/phone plans.So, just so I understand this... They took an iPhone, made the screen bigger, removed the phone functionality, and tripled the price? Oh I forgot, AND you get to buy all the apps for it again...
Edit: I should add, I love my Apple notebook, but this is simply S T U P I D.
If any of these products (Apple, Android, etc) can partner with channels such as ESPN, NBC, etc, to provide live content they will be cable TV killers. It's bound to happen in the next few years. This is why, IMO, something like Apple TV could be huge.
You said it is a failed product and Apple should just get out of the TV business right away. What exactly am I missing here?
ESPN and others just needs to buy OTA bandwidth and then pair a black box with the internet and OTA HD and Cable TV as we know it is over.
If it were me, I'd have a big name TV brand on board, a big name internet group and a big name broadcasting group. Then they have all their bases covered. For good measure maybe add someone like netflix/blockbuster on as a partner.Personally, I don't think they have enough content to survive on their own. I don't think any company does except the sat and cable companies and they can only because they provide local channels as well. Partnering with some of the networks directly would be huge (Movie Channels, ESPN, NFL Network etc)
iPad Dock Connector to VGA Adapter = $29http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop...es/cables_docks
Vinyl.
Ignore Goggins. He's clueless. Apple TV is a lot of things rolled up in one. It streams your music/movies from your primary PC (and also syncs them to it's own harrd drive for zero-interruption viewing/listening). It's great to have in your living room if you have a lot of movies/music stored in iTunes (as I do). YOu can also access YouTube and do a whole host of other things.
Most TVs are becoming WiFI enabled. This plays right into this plan. You won't even need cables. All TVs will be able to access your homes central AppleTV Media server wirelessly. You'll be able to control your TV in the bedroom while in Bed with your iPad/iPhone. Every TV can be playing something different. It doesn't matter. It's just data.
Some serious classroom application there.
I try to make sure my hand isn't covering the Apple logo. I hold it straight out in front of me, arms extended, like I'm projecting the bat signal across the room.
People just have no idea how much OTA coverage there is out there for local TV. The cable/sat providers have done an excellent job making people think they are poor for even considering going such a way. Merge an OTA tuner + Internet and the only thing that's left out is the odd sports program. Jailbreak this thing and port justin.tv and you are set. Frankly I'm stunned nobody has done this with a WMP box and made a great interface yet.
You minimizing a very clear security hole on a browsing device just further shows your ignorance and blindness. Guess this really isn't new for you, but it is amusing. I definitely encourage you to run with italicizing words and mocking the flaws people bring up, it's working well for you!At least you can still complain about the glass screen.
THIS is what's brilliant about their approach. They ALREADY own the handheld device market (iPods/iPhones are everywhere). iPads are on pace to be pretty popular too. Everyone's already got the remote in their pocket.They ALREADY own the digital music sales market (90% ish share of US market...70% globally) They ALREADY have a massive TV Show / Movie archive built up with distribution system in place They ALREADY have an installed base of this distribution system in the Hundreds of Millions thanks to iTunes. So. Everyone's already using their store. Everyone already has the remote control in their hand. Everyone already is familiar with the interface. It's a no brainer. The ONLY thing holding back their video prowess is bandwidth and the proliferation of 1080p Content. As soon as the pipes are in place to provide 1080p over the web, you can bet your sweet ### that medium will go digital just like CD/Music did. Apple knows all this. They've got their store installed on EVERYONE'S computer, they've got their remote control in EVERYONE's hand... all they need now is for technology to catch up then BOOM. The new AppleTV hits the market promising to tie it ALL together. iAd provides them a chance to serve Billions of impressions a day. Massive revenue to be gained here.
I was told I was "picking a fight" because I was expressing enthusiasm about a new Apple product.Yes. The childish behavior in here has been lame. Starting with things like you said. Apple guy taunts the Android feature. Then the Android guy taunts the apple feature. Then apple guy taunts the android feature because he got his feelings hurt that he was taunted over the last feature. It's like a bunch of kindergarteners in here. On both sides. Please grow up some.JOh, you mean like when Otis reminded us how the iPhone had pinch zoom all along and Droid finally "caught up"?
I guess you can't do that for an Apple product. If it were linux or something not so "hip" it would be ok I guess. 
Nobody cares to show you the facts, ace. We don't owe you anything. Your questions and trolling in here have been pretty lame and contrived, and, if you don't like the device, save yourself the time and effort and post in another thread.Or are you that upset that you can't buy one of these that you have to bash it for a living? Wait, you're also employed by MS, right?
I could see this happening, especially if they can make it affordable and subsidized by ads. It would still have to compare to cable/satellite in pricing. But don't fool yourselves, in it's first iteration Apple TV was about as big of a flop as there is.
Do you often walk into things? You know, going through life with your eyes closed and all. Is it that difficult for you to see the path they're on here? It's pretty cut and dry.
Yes...this is more of what I was thinking. It would be the Apple version of existing media centers. That's something I would be interested in without question. However, if they insist on working within themselves and not using other vendors, I don't think they'd reach their full potential. Instead of limiting everything to coming thru iTunes it would be HUGE to be able to link to Blockbuster, Netflix etc directly.I don't really have any interest/need for it to be a HUB....many folks out there will have a better solution than Apple can come up with and the Hub's performance would be very important in a solution like this. I'd also be disappointed if remote control would be limited to an iPad or iPhone etc.
No. Nowhere near the hype/expectations to make it a huge flop.
I don't know about lokikx so you might be right, but do you honestly believe that everyone who points out the flaws of the device is employed by an Apple competitor?
Not speaking for JB here, but I am betting the bolded crap is what he is talking about being "childish behavior"...really no better than the bashers at this point.
Apple is already DEEP in bed with Netflix/Pandora. It's no coincidence that you hear Netflix Streaming / Pandora STreaming every time Apple talks about ipad or iPhone OS4... they are aligning with the leaders in streaming movies and internet radio. Pandora was struggling to stay afloat not 12 months ago. They were in danger of closing their doors. They're adding 10,000 subscribers a week now thanks to Apple's devices. There is little doubt that the future is in media over IP.... video, music will both be streamed and Netflix/Pandora are in a GREAT spot to be the frontrunners in that field. Apple is very closely aligned with both of them. And I doubt that it would require an iphone/ipad to run AppleTV. It has it's own remote to run Front Row now. I don't see that changing. However the functionality will be much better with a full on touchscreen device like the iPad.
Apple never really put ANY marketing behind Apple TV. I honestly believe (and think I've read somewhere to verify this) that it was more of a Proof of concept for them. They released it to get some early adopters on board and talking about it... and certainly it's starting to gain steam now (with no marketing push whatsoever). However I can guarantee that when AppleTV HD is released in a couple years... it will have a iPad-esque marketing push and it will be ready for market. It will do damn near everything I've outlined in this thread, and it will do it very very well.
Radio remote with touchscreen would be
Would also be smart to allow third party remotes that folks like myself already have to control the console. I hate having more than one remote.
I hear ya. Here's the thing with Apple and what they're trying to do (again IMO). Sure. A lot of this can be done now by piecing together various shareware bits and peices and with some technical knowhow you can make it work alright. that's great way to deliver a B- grade experience to the 5% of the population who has the tech savy and desire to go through the effort. Apple is interested in refining the experience to where it's seamless A+ quality experience and it's so simple Joe Sixpack simply plugs it in and it works. He's used his iphone so he's familar with the interface. He's a pro at this within 30 seconds of hitting the power button. Then, once this is in place.... why go through the trouble of screwing with all this stuff and installing freeware to get that subpar experience when you can just plug in an AppleTV? There will always be a Techie segment who want to do it themselves and that's fine. Apple's not going for 100% market share. The 70-90% they get in Personal Music players, Online Music Sales, etc is just fine for them.
None of those products provide everything that i've outlined here. Not even close. That's the difference. That and the average person doesn't want to run their entertainment center with an Xbox 360 controller or deal with the clunky interface. For this work IMO you need the follwing things:1) Installed base to deliver content2) Library of Content3) SEAMLESS navigation/user-interface. This must be perfect. This includes controller to the On Screen Navigation.
XBox720 is their main competition here. No doubt.
