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[cstu]

I was an ASIC designer my entire career. My poker buddies at AMD are designing the graphics engine that is going into the PS4. I know more about this level of technology than I care to admit.

I don't think you have the basic understanding of how much power is needed to run a hard core gaming system and how hard that is going to be to fit into a tablet format and not destroy battery life. You don't make those types of power savings leaps in the significantly smaller packages needed for a tablet over the span of one or two years. Technology moves fast, but not that fast.

If you are really under the impression that the design cycle of the Ipad's is less than 2 years old, I have to also say you don't understand the basic concept of a design cycle. The Ipad 1 design cycle likely started much before you think. Certainly significantly more than just two years ago.

Maybe you could better understand that if the Ipad was launched in 2006, it would not be anywhere near as powerful as it was being launched in 2010. The technology simply was not available yet whether they wanted to design it in or not to support their size and power requirements. By waiting out the years, they were able to take advantage of the process improvements that have occurred in the ASIC industry which typically take a few years to get to a new level to support a smaller size and better support for power.

The consoles have relatively little worry about room or power, but that is the main concern for the tablets. Making the technological leap from the size of chips and power the consoles are using to what the tablets will need for an equivalent can not covered in a 1-2 year time period. It has NOTHING to do with Apple concentrating on it as they do not control the ASIC process industry.

A better example is the PS Vita. The internals of the PS Vita, designed specifically for gaming, now are roughly equivalent to the PS3. Again, that is a 6 year gap before they were able to get the same level of technology in a small package (obviously smaller than a tablet, but also significantly more focused on a gaming than a tablet ever will be). And the battery life of the Vita (at roughly 3 hours) would be unacceptable to the tablet market which now is going to expect 9-10 hours.

I don't know...it feels like you are putting up barriers where they don't need to exist. Apple isn't in the habit of conforming to the current standards. They prefer to create a new standard.

We might be going down two different paths here.I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.

I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

However, someone could build a Windows 8 x86 tablet that does. It might weigh a ton and have a battery life of an hour though.

 

[NewlyRetired]

We might be going down two different paths here.

I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.

I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

I hear what you are saying I just don't see Apple being the type of company who will simply accept that. There is a reason why other tablets have trouble competing and it's not because they don't have good ideas or the technical know how. It's because Apple took control of the supply chain.Link

If Microsoft, or Sony, or HP or any other tech company are in Apple's way, then they'll simply move them out of the way.

Again, you are making the mistake of thinking that Apple controls the ASIC industry process. It doesn't. All that article states is that Apple uses its muscle to get the latest and greatest technology that is already available.Apple does not, by the simple fact that they can't control physics, have the ability to make the foundries jump through hoops to make magic. Obviously you are kind of ignoring my knowledge of the foundry business but that's ok. I won't bother engaging this specific topic any more as I am obviously just wasting your time.

 

[NewlyRetired]

One reason I would personally not like to use the ipad as a controller and/or gaming streaming device as I enjoy having my ipad as my companion while I am playing games as I am always looking things up. But that is just a personal preference.

I don't see why you think using the iPad as the source to run your video games prevents you from picking it up to check your email or a gaming walkthrough, etc

I don't know for sure since it has never been tried. But when you couple the well known multi tasking limitations of iOS with being able to play a full blown game, with online multiplayer, with online chat, and streaming to an external device, and then trying to open and use other apps, I think you are going to find that you will have some serious system resource issues.iOS is nice for what it is, but one of its biggest weaknesses, IMO, is true multitasking.

 

[SkyRattlers]

Again, you are making the mistake of thinking that Apple controls the ASIC industry process. It doesn't. All that article states is that Apple uses its muscle to get the latest and greatest technology that is already available.

Apple does not, by the simple fact that they can't control physics, have the ability to make the foundries jump through hoops to make magic. Obviously you are kind of ignoring my knowledge of the foundry business but that's ok. I won't bother engaging this specific topic any more as I am obviously just wasting your time.

I appreciated the debate.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I was an ASIC designer my entire career. My poker buddies at AMD are designing the graphics engine that is going into the PS4. I know more about this level of technology than I care to admit.

I don't think you have the basic understanding of how much power is needed to run a hard core gaming system and how hard that is going to be to fit into a tablet format and not destroy battery life. You don't make those types of power savings leaps in the significantly smaller packages needed for a tablet over the span of one or two years. Technology moves fast, but not that fast.

If you are really under the impression that the design cycle of the Ipad's is less than 2 years old, I have to also say you don't understand the basic concept of a design cycle. The Ipad 1 design cycle likely started much before you think. Certainly significantly more than just two years ago.

Maybe you could better understand that if the Ipad was launched in 2006, it would not be anywhere near as powerful as it was being launched in 2010. The technology simply was not available yet whether they wanted to design it in or not to support their size and power requirements. By waiting out the years, they were able to take advantage of the process improvements that have occurred in the ASIC industry which typically take a few years to get to a new level to support a smaller size and better support for power.

The consoles have relatively little worry about room or power, but that is the main concern for the tablets. Making the technological leap from the size of chips and power the consoles are using to what the tablets will need for an equivalent can not covered in a 1-2 year time period. It has NOTHING to do with Apple concentrating on it as they do not control the ASIC process industry.

A better example is the PS Vita. The internals of the PS Vita, designed specifically for gaming, now are roughly equivalent to the PS3. Again, that is a 6 year gap before they were able to get the same level of technology in a small package (obviously smaller than a tablet, but also significantly more focused on a gaming than a tablet ever will be). And the battery life of the Vita (at roughly 3 hours) would be unacceptable to the tablet market which now is going to expect 9-10 hours.

I don't know...it feels like you are putting up barriers where they don't need to exist. Apple isn't in the habit of conforming to the current standards. They prefer to create a new standard.

We might be going down two different paths here.I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.

I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

However, someone could build a Windows 8 x86 tablet that does. It might weigh a ton and have a battery life of an hour though.

That would be a big seller

 

[goonsquad]

I was an ASIC designer my entire career. My poker buddies at AMD are designing the graphics engine that is going into the PS4. I know more about this level of technology than I care to admit.

I don't think you have the basic understanding of how much power is needed to run a hard core gaming system and how hard that is going to be to fit into a tablet format and not destroy battery life. You don't make those types of power savings leaps in the significantly smaller packages needed for a tablet over the span of one or two years. Technology moves fast, but not that fast.

If you are really under the impression that the design cycle of the Ipad's is less than 2 years old, I have to also say you don't understand the basic concept of a design cycle. The Ipad 1 design cycle likely started much before you think. Certainly significantly more than just two years ago.

Maybe you could better understand that if the Ipad was launched in 2006, it would not be anywhere near as powerful as it was being launched in 2010. The technology simply was not available yet whether they wanted to design it in or not to support their size and power requirements. By waiting out the years, they were able to take advantage of the process improvements that have occurred in the ASIC industry which typically take a few years to get to a new level to support a smaller size and better support for power.

The consoles have relatively little worry about room or power, but that is the main concern for the tablets. Making the technological leap from the size of chips and power the consoles are using to what the tablets will need for an equivalent can not covered in a 1-2 year time period. It has NOTHING to do with Apple concentrating on it as they do not control the ASIC process industry.

A better example is the PS Vita. The internals of the PS Vita, designed specifically for gaming, now are roughly equivalent to the PS3. Again, that is a 6 year gap before they were able to get the same level of technology in a small package (obviously smaller than a tablet, but also significantly more focused on a gaming than a tablet ever will be). And the battery life of the Vita (at roughly 3 hours) would be unacceptable to the tablet market which now is going to expect 9-10 hours.

I don't know...it feels like you are putting up barriers where they don't need to exist. Apple isn't in the habit of conforming to the current standards. They prefer to create a new standard.

We might be going down two different paths here.I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.

I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

However, someone could build a Windows 8 x86 tablet that does. It might weigh a ton and have a battery life of an hour though.

That would be a big seller

Microsoft Surface!

 

[NewlyRetired]

I was an ASIC designer my entire career. My poker buddies at AMD are designing the graphics engine that is going into the PS4. I know more about this level of technology than I care to admit.

I don't think you have the basic understanding of how much power is needed to run a hard core gaming system and how hard that is going to be to fit into a tablet format and not destroy battery life. You don't make those types of power savings leaps in the significantly smaller packages needed for a tablet over the span of one or two years. Technology moves fast, but not that fast.

If you are really under the impression that the design cycle of the Ipad's is less than 2 years old, I have to also say you don't understand the basic concept of a design cycle. The Ipad 1 design cycle likely started much before you think. Certainly significantly more than just two years ago.

Maybe you could better understand that if the Ipad was launched in 2006, it would not be anywhere near as powerful as it was being launched in 2010. The technology simply was not available yet whether they wanted to design it in or not to support their size and power requirements. By waiting out the years, they were able to take advantage of the process improvements that have occurred in the ASIC industry which typically take a few years to get to a new level to support a smaller size and better support for power.

The consoles have relatively little worry about room or power, but that is the main concern for the tablets. Making the technological leap from the size of chips and power the consoles are using to what the tablets will need for an equivalent can not covered in a 1-2 year time period. It has NOTHING to do with Apple concentrating on it as they do not control the ASIC process industry.

A better example is the PS Vita. The internals of the PS Vita, designed specifically for gaming, now are roughly equivalent to the PS3. Again, that is a 6 year gap before they were able to get the same level of technology in a small package (obviously smaller than a tablet, but also significantly more focused on a gaming than a tablet ever will be). And the battery life of the Vita (at roughly 3 hours) would be unacceptable to the tablet market which now is going to expect 9-10 hours.

I don't know...it feels like you are putting up barriers where they don't need to exist. Apple isn't in the habit of conforming to the current standards. They prefer to create a new standard.

We might be going down two different paths here.I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.

I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

However, someone could build a Windows 8 x86 tablet that does. It might weigh a ton and have a battery life of an hour though.

That would be a big seller

Microsoft Surface!

It would probably weigh more than the original form factor for the PS3's LOL

 

[[icon]]

I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

What kind of technology do you think are going to be in $300-400 gaming consoles that apple won't be able to replicate in a tablet (or apple TV box) within a year? "Mobile" processors are graphics chips are making massive gains... it's not just apple pushing that. In fact, I would NOT be surprised to see nextgen consoles moving toward ARM/MOBILE type processors in the future due to their cost/power/efficiency/size advantages. There is a MASSIVE gaming market out there for folks that enjoy games but don't really care to have the latest FPS at 2billion frames a second. Wii showed that. Angry Birds and such showed that. But even that aside, I'm very confident that the tablets of 5 years from now will be right on the heels of the next gen consoles (whatever they may be) and will very much be up to the tasks we're outlining here.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.

I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

What kind of technology do you think are going to be in $300-400 gaming consoles that apple won't be able to replicate in a tablet (or apple TV box) within a year?

I know nothing about an apple tv box, so my comments are only for the current tablet size and power requirements.You can't transform a state of the art chip that is going into the next generation consoles with little to no power and size requirements and in a year transform it to fit into the power and size requirements needed by a tablet.

You will likely need at least 2 generations of fabrication process improvements to get close. Because of the massive (and I mean MASSIVE), expenditure it takes for a foundry to change its process, a new generation of silicon typically takes around 2 years. Sometimes longer sometimes shorter.

Simply can not happen in 1 year. In 5 years? Sure it could happen and I would not bet against it.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

There is a MASSIVE gaming market out there for folks that enjoy games but don't really care to have the latest FPS at 2billion frames a second. Wii showed that. Angry Birds and such showed that.

already spoke to this herehttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=526852&view=findpost&p=14215810

 

[shader]

I have yet to find an iphone/ipad game that holds my interest for longer than 2-3 days.

silly app/games bore me, and I don't have the time anymore for serious games. If I'm going to play a game, it will be football manager, the new star wars game, or civilization 5. Those are real games.

Angry birds is cool for when you are waiting in the doctors office.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I have yet to find an iphone/ipad game that holds my interest for longer than 2-3 days. silly app/games bore me, and I don't have the time anymore for serious games. If I'm going to play a game, it will be football manager, the new star wars game, or civilization 5. Those are real games.Angry birds is cool for when you are waiting in the doctors office.

As I mentioned earlier, these types of "little" games are driving the revenue because they have hooked in the female demographic more than any console game ever will.I don't see the tablet market bothering with trying to emulate a next generation gaming system. They just need to keep improving their current gaming level. IMO, this is where the majority of the gaming revenue will come from in the future. The risk/reward for trying to be a PS4 just does not seem worth it to me when you think of the massive HW and OS improvements that will be needed.

 

[NewlyRetired]

So no USB connectivity, no multitasking, no tabbed browsing, and 3G connectivity is a monthly fee. I really wanted to want one, so I'm genuinely not fishing when I ask this - what am I paying $500 for if it can't do any of the things I mentioned that I assumed would be basic features?

Not only do you NOT get 3G, the 3G version won't be out until later this month and those device are $800, not $400 like you paid. So now you're going to have to shell out another $800 for the new 3G device (and sell your $400 version - or give it to charity), you'll have to buy the $30/month 3G data plan as well.And no multitasking..And no USB...And no tabbed browsing...And apps are 2-5x more expensive.Again, Fanboy prices. You could have bought a laptop or netbook for less than that and got ALL of that functionality. So, you've been suckered again by Apple and like JB said earlier, it looks like you've actually taken a step backwards.And just to clarify, my beef is not that Apple doesn't make great products, because they do and they are all awesome, but the prices they charge are ridiculous and for Fanboys only.

Some people are willing to pay up for products that are better designed and more enjoyable to use.

Luckily there are tablet alternatives for the rest of us who want a little more control over our machines. I don't have a problem with the people who buy the iPad knowing it perfectly fits their needs, but there are a lot of people who mindlessly buy an iPad without knowing there are tablets that do everything iPad does and have more features.

But they still aren't magical.

And still not as good as the NewtonDamn, I miss that wonderful doorstop. One of the worst products I ever bought. Sometimes being an early adopter sucks

 

[culdeus]

I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

What kind of technology do you think are going to be in $300-400 gaming consoles that apple won't be able to replicate in a tablet (or apple TV box) within a year? "Mobile" processors are graphics chips are making massive gains... it's not just apple pushing that. In fact, I would NOT be surprised to see nextgen consoles moving toward ARM/MOBILE type processors in the future due to their cost/power/efficiency/size advantages. There is a MASSIVE gaming market out there for folks that enjoy games but don't really care to have the latest FPS at 2billion frames a second. Wii showed that. Angry Birds and such showed that. But even that aside, I'm very confident that the tablets of 5 years from now will be right on the heels of the next gen consoles (whatever they may be) and will very much be up to the tasks we're outlining here.

Among of the many issues with this, first and foremost is the heat issue. Heat = early death = unhappy customers. Powerful gaming platforms need fans. Tablets don't have fans. The more power you put in the hotter the stuff runs. Hell, even this ipad is clocking in at 110-114F. Apple TV/Panel could be a hardware intensive gaming platform. It makes sense. The iphone to me is more fun than ipad to play games on IMO. Size is better suited for it. Ipad is better for reading.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

What kind of technology do you think are going to be in $300-400 gaming consoles that apple won't be able to replicate in a tablet (or apple TV box) within a year? "Mobile" processors are graphics chips are making massive gains... it's not just apple pushing that. In fact, I would NOT be surprised to see nextgen consoles moving toward ARM/MOBILE type processors in the future due to their cost/power/efficiency/size advantages. There is a MASSIVE gaming market out there for folks that enjoy games but don't really care to have the latest FPS at 2billion frames a second. Wii showed that. Angry Birds and such showed that. But even that aside, I'm very confident that the tablets of 5 years from now will be right on the heels of the next gen consoles (whatever they may be) and will very much be up to the tasks we're outlining here.

Among of the many issues with this, first and foremost is the heat issue. Heat = early death = unhappy customers. Powerful gaming platforms need fans. Tablets don't have fans. The more power you put in the hotter the stuff runs. Hell, even this ipad is clocking in at 110-114F. Apple TV/Panel could be a hardware intensive gaming platform. It makes sense. The iphone to me is more fun than ipad to play games on IMO. Size is better suited for it. Ipad is better for reading.

The power requirements and associated heat disappation issues are going to be very hard to conquer in a tablet ever, much less in this fantasy 1 year period that keeps coming up. Hell, even the PS3 and XBox with fans had problems.

 

[CrossEyed]

Swung by Best Buy to look at some cases (have a gift card I haven't used) and their selection was awful.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Swung by Best Buy to look at some cases (have a gift card I haven't used) and their selection was awful.

Yeah. Stick to Amazon. They have a ton of choices (all of which are relatively similar).

 

[cstu]

I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

What kind of technology do you think are going to be in $300-400 gaming consoles that apple won't be able to replicate in a tablet (or apple TV box) within a year? "Mobile" processors are graphics chips are making massive gains... it's not just apple pushing that. In fact, I would NOT be surprised to see nextgen consoles moving toward ARM/MOBILE type processors in the future due to their cost/power/efficiency/size advantages. There is a MASSIVE gaming market out there for folks that enjoy games but don't really care to have the latest FPS at 2billion frames a second. Wii showed that. Angry Birds and such showed that. But even that aside, I'm very confident that the tablets of 5 years from now will be right on the heels of the next gen consoles (whatever they may be) and will very much be up to the tasks we're outlining here.

Among of the many issues with this, first and foremost is the heat issue. Heat = early death = unhappy customers. Powerful gaming platforms need fans. Tablets don't have fans. The more power you put in the hotter the stuff runs. Hell, even this ipad is clocking in at 110-114F. Apple TV/Panel could be a hardware intensive gaming platform. It makes sense. The iphone to me is more fun than ipad to play games on IMO. Size is better suited for it. Ipad is better for reading.

The power requirements and associated heat disappation issues are going to be very hard to conquer in a tablet ever, much less in this fantasy 1 year period that keeps coming up. Hell, even the PS3 and XBox with fans had problems.

Apple doesn't want to use fans so I don't see them going away from ARM processors (lower power = lower heat). That means there will be a limit to how powerful the processors will be in the near future - for example, the next Cortex-A15 processor is 40% faster than the Cortex-A9 so it will take a long time for them to catch up to their x86 counterparts.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.

I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

What kind of technology do you think are going to be in $300-400 gaming consoles that apple won't be able to replicate in a tablet (or apple TV box) within a year? "Mobile" processors are graphics chips are making massive gains... it's not just apple pushing that. In fact, I would NOT be surprised to see nextgen consoles moving toward ARM/MOBILE type processors in the future due to their cost/power/efficiency/size advantages. There is a MASSIVE gaming market out there for folks that enjoy games but don't really care to have the latest FPS at 2billion frames a second. Wii showed that. Angry Birds and such showed that. But even that aside, I'm very confident that the tablets of 5 years from now will be right on the heels of the next gen consoles (whatever they may be) and will very much be up to the tasks we're outlining here.

I've set an outlook reminder; 1 year from now we'll see if the new iPad or Apple TV has completely replicated all of Playstation and XBox technology.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.

I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

What kind of technology do you think are going to be in $300-400 gaming consoles that apple won't be able to replicate in a tablet (or apple TV box) within a year? "Mobile" processors are graphics chips are making massive gains... it's not just apple pushing that. In fact, I would NOT be surprised to see nextgen consoles moving toward ARM/MOBILE type processors in the future due to their cost/power/efficiency/size advantages. There is a MASSIVE gaming market out there for folks that enjoy games but don't really care to have the latest FPS at 2billion frames a second. Wii showed that. Angry Birds and such showed that. But even that aside, I'm very confident that the tablets of 5 years from now will be right on the heels of the next gen consoles (whatever they may be) and will very much be up to the tasks we're outlining here.

I've set an outlook reminder; 1 year from now we'll see if the new iPad or Apple TV has completely replicated all of Playstation and XBox technology.

Just to be clearThe argument/debate is not whether they could replicate the 2006ish consoles a year from now.

The argument/debate revolves around whether they could replicate a PS4/XBox 720 within a year of those new consoles release.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

What kind of technology do you think are going to be in $300-400 gaming consoles that apple won't be able to replicate in a tablet (or apple TV box) within a year? "Mobile" processors are graphics chips are making massive gains... it's not just apple pushing that. In fact, I would NOT be surprised to see nextgen consoles moving toward ARM/MOBILE type processors in the future due to their cost/power/efficiency/size advantages. There is a MASSIVE gaming market out there for folks that enjoy games but don't really care to have the latest FPS at 2billion frames a second. Wii showed that. Angry Birds and such showed that. But even that aside, I'm very confident that the tablets of 5 years from now will be right on the heels of the next gen consoles (whatever they may be) and will very much be up to the tasks we're outlining here.

Among of the many issues with this, first and foremost is the heat issue. Heat = early death = unhappy customers. Powerful gaming platforms need fans. Tablets don't have fans. The more power you put in the hotter the stuff runs. Hell, even this ipad is clocking in at 110-114F. Apple TV/Panel could be a hardware intensive gaming platform. It makes sense. The iphone to me is more fun than ipad to play games on IMO. Size is better suited for it. Ipad is better for reading.

The power requirements and associated heat disappation issues are going to be very hard to conquer in a tablet ever, much less in this fantasy 1 year period that keeps coming up. Hell, even the PS3 and XBox with fans had problems.

Apple doesn't want to use fans so I don't see them going away from ARM processors (lower power = lower heat). That means there will be a limit to how powerful the processors will be in the near future - for example, the next Cortex-A15 processor is 40% faster than the Cortex-A9 so it will take a long time for them to catch up to their x86 counterparts.

Which is yet another reason why the talk of being able to catch up to the next gen consoles with in a year or two is really baseless.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Anyone notice that the new iPad gets quite hot? There's been plenty of press on it recently but IMO it makes it quite uncomfortable to hold for any reasonable amount of time.

Seriously considering taking back and buying a (cheaper) iPad 2.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Anyone notice that the new iPad gets quite hot? There's been plenty of press on it recently but IMO it makes it quite uncomfortable to hold for any reasonable amount of time. Seriously considering taking back and buying a (cheaper) iPad 2.

This is all over the news. The speculation ranges from a possible problem to nothing to worry about.Is it really too hot to hold outside of a case? Where is it hottest?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I don't notice any real issue with the heat. I watched about 80min of video in a row and surfed web and Facebook for at least an hour prior and 20 min after.

 

[Green94]

Anyone sell their old iPad 2s and for how much?

To follow up...sold my 32gb 3G/WIFI for $450 on CL.

 

[CrossEyed]

Anyone notice that the new iPad gets quite hot? There's been plenty of press on it recently but IMO it makes it quite uncomfortable to hold for any reasonable amount of time. Seriously considering taking back and buying a (cheaper) iPad 2.

Haven't use mine for a real extended period yet, but I certainly haven't noticed it getting hot. A little warm in the lower left corner, but certainly nothing concerning.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Anyone sell their old iPad 2s and for how much?

To follow up...sold my 32gb 3G/WIFI for $450 on CL.

Sweet! Great deal.

 

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I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.

I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

What kind of technology do you think are going to be in $300-400 gaming consoles that apple won't be able to replicate in a tablet (or apple TV box) within a year? "Mobile" processors are graphics chips are making massive gains... it's not just apple pushing that. In fact, I would NOT be surprised to see nextgen consoles moving toward ARM/MOBILE type processors in the future due to their cost/power/efficiency/size advantages. There is a MASSIVE gaming market out there for folks that enjoy games but don't really care to have the latest FPS at 2billion frames a second. Wii showed that. Angry Birds and such showed that. But even that aside, I'm very confident that the tablets of 5 years from now will be right on the heels of the next gen consoles (whatever they may be) and will very much be up to the tasks we're outlining here.

I've set an outlook reminder; 1 year from now we'll see if the new iPad or Apple TV has completely replicated all of Playstation and XBox technology.

Sumtimes Tommy R not reed gud.

 

[Guster]

just stop. please. I come into these threads to learn about the iPad and people's experiences with itEvery time I check in youre talking about some non-iPad tablet and how much better it is than the iPad. We get it. You don't like the iPad. That's fine. Your posts are just extremely unhelpful in this thread and end up distracting from the main point, which is to talk about the iPad and apps and experiences with it. TIA

 

[tommyGunZ]

I am ONLY speaking to the incorrect statement that it would take a year for an IPAD to catch up to a PS4. From an ASIC technology process stand point it can't happen. Apple can create any standard they want, if the foundries can't produce the silicon, it is meaningless.

I am not arguing any other points (as you make many good ones). Only arguing against the notion that you could make a iPad tablet version of a PS4/Xbox 720 in a year. Hopefully you can just trust my 20+ years in the business of designing and building chips.

What kind of technology do you think are going to be in $300-400 gaming consoles that apple won't be able to replicate in a tablet (or apple TV box) within a year? "Mobile" processors are graphics chips are making massive gains... it's not just apple pushing that. In fact, I would NOT be surprised to see nextgen consoles moving toward ARM/MOBILE type processors in the future due to their cost/power/efficiency/size advantages. There is a MASSIVE gaming market out there for folks that enjoy games but don't really care to have the latest FPS at 2billion frames a second. Wii showed that. Angry Birds and such showed that. But even that aside, I'm very confident that the tablets of 5 years from now will be right on the heels of the next gen consoles (whatever they may be) and will very much be up to the tasks we're outlining here.

I've set an outlook reminder; 1 year from now we'll see if the new iPad or Apple TV has completely replicated all of Playstation and XBox technology.

Sumtimes Tommy R not reed gud.

 

[CrossEyed]

BTW, the prices on some of these accessories are a bit ridiculous. Found a Targus Versavu case at a Best Buy on my drive home last night and I really can't imagine paying $60 for this thing. Not only did it feel cheap and plasticy, it had an awful, petroleum-type odor to it.

I guess the downside of being an early buyer is that you have to wait for the third-party companies to catch up with accessories.

 

[NewlyRetired]

BTW, the prices on some of these accessories are a bit ridiculous. Found a Targus Versavu case at a Best Buy on my drive home last night and I really can't imagine paying $60 for this thing. Not only did it feel cheap and plasticy, it had an awful, petroleum-type odor to it.

That price is way too high, you can get similar cases in the $30 range.The smell does comes with many of the cases. Mine was so bad I almost returned it but it completely dissipated after a couple of days.

 

[CrossEyed]

BTW, the prices on some of these accessories are a bit ridiculous. Found a Targus Versavu case at a Best Buy on my drive home last night and I really can't imagine paying $60 for this thing. Not only did it feel cheap and plasticy, it had an awful, petroleum-type odor to it.

That price is way too high, you can get similar cases in the $30 range.The smell does comes with many of the cases. Mine was so bad I almost returned it but it completely dissipated after a couple of days.

After seeing a couple of video reviews, I'm really leaning toward the Snugg case that Rud posted earlier in the thread. Looks pretty nice and is $30.

 

[the moops]

I guess the downside of being an early buyer is that you have to wait for the third-party companies to catch up with accessories.

Isn't the ipad3 the same size as the ipad2?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I guess the downside of being an early buyer is that you have to wait for the third-party companies to catch up with accessories.

Isn't the ipad3 the same size as the ipad2?

I think it is a little bit thicker (few mm?) I would not think that has a big impact on most cases, or other accessories, but I don't know, have not looked yet.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

most of the product reviews say the magnet that puts the ipad to sleep when you close the case or wake it up when you open it does not work on the new ipad if the case was designed for the ipad 2. Probably only a minor change, but makes it worthwhile to wait for a case that is designed specifically for the new one.

 

[CrossEyed]

I guess the downside of being an early buyer is that you have to wait for the third-party companies to catch up with accessories.

Isn't the ipad3 the same size as the ipad2?

Very minor difference in size, but if you want a case that has the wake/sleep feature, Apple changed the polarity of the magnets on the new iPad so some of the iPad 2 cases aren't working correctly.

 

[CrossEyed]

most of the product reviews say the magnet that puts the ipad to sleep when you close the case or wake it up when you open it does not work on the new ipad if the case was designed for the ipad 2. Probably only a minor change, but makes it worthwhile to wait for a case that is designed specifically for the new one.

Did you order the Snugg case yet?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

most of the product reviews say the magnet that puts the ipad to sleep when you close the case or wake it up when you open it does not work on the new ipad if the case was designed for the ipad 2. Probably only a minor change, but makes it worthwhile to wait for a case that is designed specifically for the new one.

Did you order the Snugg case yet?

No. I'm being frugal and hoping it will be available for free shipping through Amazon at some point.

 

[CrossEyed]

most of the product reviews say the magnet that puts the ipad to sleep when you close the case or wake it up when you open it does not work on the new ipad if the case was designed for the ipad 2. Probably only a minor change, but makes it worthwhile to wait for a case that is designed specifically for the new one.

Did you order the Snugg case yet?

No. I'm being frugal and hoping it will be available for free shipping through Amazon at some point.

Come on, man, I was counting on a FBGs review.

 

[One]

most of the product reviews say the magnet that puts the ipad to sleep when you close the case or wake it up when you open it does not work on the new ipad if the case was designed for the ipad 2. Probably only a minor change, but makes it worthwhile to wait for a case that is designed specifically for the new one.

My smart cover works just like the iPad 2.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

most of the product reviews say the magnet that puts the ipad to sleep when you close the case or wake it up when you open it does not work on the new ipad if the case was designed for the ipad 2. Probably only a minor change, but makes it worthwhile to wait for a case that is designed specifically for the new one.

My smart cover works just like the iPad 2.

yeah, I'm referring to 3rd party cases. not sure why they don't work but a lot of people have mentioned it.

 

[NewlyRetired]

most of the product reviews say the magnet that puts the ipad to sleep when you close the case or wake it up when you open it does not work on the new ipad if the case was designed for the ipad 2. Probably only a minor change, but makes it worthwhile to wait for a case that is designed specifically for the new one.

My smart cover works just like the iPad 2.

yeah, I'm referring to 3rd party cases. not sure why they don't work but a lot of people have mentioned it.

I bought one of these 3rd party magnetic cases for the ipad 2. It was not very well designed. It woke up and put the ipad to sleep correctly, but it also put the ipad to sleep if you opened up the case and folded the cover to the back of the ipad so that you could hold it like a book. The magnet was too strong I think. I ended up shutting off the feature in the ipad.

 

[One]

most of the product reviews say the magnet that puts the ipad to sleep when you close the case or wake it up when you open it does not work on the new ipad if the case was designed for the ipad 2. Probably only a minor change, but makes it worthwhile to wait for a case that is designed specifically for the new one.

My smart cover works just like the iPad 2.

yeah, I'm referring to 3rd party cases. not sure why they don't work but a lot of people have mentioned it.

Gotcha.If anybody wants an open-box Leather Apple Smart Cover, you can find them for 19.99 shipped on eBay. I bought two and they look brand new.

 

[CrossEyed]

most of the product reviews say the magnet that puts the ipad to sleep when you close the case or wake it up when you open it does not work on the new ipad if the case was designed for the ipad 2. Probably only a minor change, but makes it worthwhile to wait for a case that is designed specifically for the new one.

My smart cover works just like the iPad 2.

yeah, I'm referring to 3rd party cases. not sure why they don't work but a lot of people have mentioned it.

I bought one of these 3rd party magnetic cases for the ipad 2. It was not very well designed. It woke up and put the ipad to sleep correctly, but it also put the ipad to sleep if you opened up the case and folded the cover to the back of the ipad so that you could hold it like a book. The magnet was too strong I think. I ended up shutting off the feature in the ipad.

Pretty sure this was the problem that led Apple to change the polarity in the magnets on the new iPad.

 

[The Commish]

most of the product reviews say the magnet that puts the ipad to sleep when you close the case or wake it up when you open it does not work on the new ipad if the case was designed for the ipad 2. Probably only a minor change, but makes it worthwhile to wait for a case that is designed specifically for the new one.

My smart cover works just like the iPad 2.

yeah, I'm referring to 3rd party cases. not sure why they don't work but a lot of people have mentioned it.

I bought one of these 3rd party magnetic cases for the ipad 2. It was not very well designed. It woke up and put the ipad to sleep correctly, but it also put the ipad to sleep if you opened up the case and folded the cover to the back of the ipad so that you could hold it like a book. The magnet was too strong I think. I ended up shutting off the feature in the ipad.

Pretty sure this was the problem that led Apple to change the polarity in the magnets on the new iPad.

Or they did it to get you to buy another accessory

 

[CrossEyed]

most of the product reviews say the magnet that puts the ipad to sleep when you close the case or wake it up when you open it does not work on the new ipad if the case was designed for the ipad 2. Probably only a minor change, but makes it worthwhile to wait for a case that is designed specifically for the new one.

My smart cover works just like the iPad 2.

yeah, I'm referring to 3rd party cases. not sure why they don't work but a lot of people have mentioned it.

I bought one of these 3rd party magnetic cases for the ipad 2. It was not very well designed. It woke up and put the ipad to sleep correctly, but it also put the ipad to sleep if you opened up the case and folded the cover to the back of the ipad so that you could hold it like a book. The magnet was too strong I think. I ended up shutting off the feature in the ipad.

Pretty sure this was the problem that led Apple to change the polarity in the magnets on the new iPad.

Or they did it to get you to buy another accessory

Well if they did, I don't have an old one, so the joke's on them.

 

[GreekFreak]

I purchased the Otter Box Defender for the new ipad, so far so good.

My 3 year old dropped it a few times already and no issue.

 

[Polish Hammer]

I feel like I've been on the fence a while and am finally close to tipping over and getting an iPad. I'll likely go the Apple refurb route since the iPad 2's are relatively cheap there ($350 for the 16GB). Here are a few questions:

1. Has anyone that has/had the 16GB feel they really should have gotten the 32GB? What kind of stuff was taking up the space?

2. I don't even have a data plan on my phone. Is there any real good reason for me to get 3G? I'm thinking no, but am willing to listen.

3. My two kids (boys, ages 4 and 6) will likely be using it at times. Am I better off investing in the Apple Care thing or a good case? If a case...which one do you recommend?

4. For those out there that are NOT iPad fans but like other tablets...what would you recommend instead that will be easy for my wife and kids to use?

5. If my wife ends up getting an iPhone and we have the iPad, when you buy an app does it apply to both devices or only one?

 

[Dought Man]

I feel like I've been on the fence a while and am finally close to tipping over and getting an iPad. I'll likely go the Apple refurb route since the iPad 2's are relatively cheap there ($350 for the 16GB). Here are a few questions:1. Has anyone that has/had the 16GB feel they really should have gotten the 32GB? What kind of stuff was taking up the space?2. I don't even have a data plan on my phone. Is there any real good reason for me to get 3G? I'm thinking no, but am willing to listen.3. My two kids (boys, ages 4 and 6) will likely be using it at times. Am I better off investing in the Apple Care thing or a good case? If a case...which one do you recommend?4. For those out there that are NOT iPad fans but like other tablets...what would you recommend instead that will be easy for my wife and kids to use?5. If my wife ends up getting an iPhone and we have the iPad, when you buy an app does it apply to both devices or only one?

I bought a 16gb ipad2 and wish I got the 32g. If you are going to record videos, store pics and files on there...get the 32g. Just one man's opinion. I have had to delete or transfer some things i wanted to keep on the pad. 32 gives you more leeway.