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It's the new thing. The era of proxy war. I guess it's better then our boots on the ground in most cases. Your comment made me think of rolling through Iraq and finding out that some Iraqis had m16s. At this point who doesn't have our weapons. Ha ha
Are you sure they are a democracy? Yahoo is doing everything he can to remain in power
We obviously disagree on their level of response to Oct 7th over the last couple years, or that the CIA has done things equally as bad.
Maybe not "as bad" in terms of scope or devastation, but as far as motives go, Israel's defense of their survival vastly outweighs the CIA's furtherance of American interests.
See we even disagree on their motivations, or that it is limited to self defense. I believe their actions over the last 2 years have moved beyond self defense.
Well. Americans get exhausted by war. Imagine having the war history of Israel? When haven't they had at least a little war going on? It would be exhausting to be an Israeli citizen. Kinda scary really. Imo
Yeah pretty sure.
Maybe I am not making my point clearly - if you are not democratically selecting leaders, are you a democracy?
Isreal is even open about their goals and intentions. Not sure how denying food for months is self defense, for example.
And not a lot of modern nations have been born out of a holocaust and immediate wars with the sole purpose of wiping you off the face of the earth. The October 7 attacks has to color that as well. It is hard to live and let love when the other side says it will not rest until you no longer live.
Don't forget that for all the cries of genocide, Israel has a significant population of Arabs, Muslims and many others. On the other side, what was once large populations of Jews in surrounding nations are basically zero.
I'm not sure how denying food and aid to a region has anything to do with that. I dont care to argue over the use of genocide to apply to that, but that is the type of thing people are rightfully upset about (among other things).
Took out some surface to air systems.
Watching the live stream and there's been 2 waves of missles that i saw.
And surface to surface
The irony is this is the exact reason why Iran cannot have nuclear arms. In this specific instant, would they have the restraint to not use nukes? Say what you want about the villain monster Putin, but even in todays heightened conflict with Ukraine, I think his restraint to use his nukes is legit. Iran would be launching them after last night. Imo
The reality is that if Hamas and all the rest of the terrorists and Iran laid down their weapons there would be everlasting peace. If Israel did, there would be everlasting peace too after all the Jews were slaughtered.
Such an interesting and powerful comment. I 100% agree with u man.
In your opinion is the deal i heard we were working on with them to allow low grade nuclear capabilities but not weapons work out?
I certainly don't want to find out. Keeping nuclear arms away from Iran is in all our best interests. What a cluster **** this has the potential to become.
I think in short, and a 1st grade explanation, our deal circles around how much uranium they can actually have. To ensure, we monitor. Those infamous inspections must be agreed upon. Blah blah blah. I've never believed we could trust any deal they agreed to personally. All my opinion of course. For me, the deal is basically we don't want them to have uranium. When we feel like they might have to much we bomb where our Intel says its located, er, we have Israel bomb them. Imo
I see this justification a lot, and going back to what actions I feel have crossed a line, let's just say I am skeptical about this statement today. IMO this statement is harder to back when we have evidence (and them saying) they are purposely denying aid and starving that population to remove them. Targeting unarmed populations. Those are the types of actions we seem to be saying we would 100% expect Hamas and others to do if Isreal laid down arms. (to be clear, I do agree with that side of the statement above).
I have been to Israel and the West Bank. The bad guys already have nukes.
Proxy wars are new?
Ha, the Israeli's took out so much of Iran's surface to air capabilities that the Israeli's are refueling their air force, over Iran in broad daylight.
The Israeli's what?
The Israeli's what
It has never been about self defense, except for the healthy fear of blow back.
Freudian slip?
Uh. Literally, no they are not new obviously. It was more a reference how warfare is evolving. Proxy wars used to be more a back door operation and how cool movies were made. Today they appear on twitter. Ha ha
Community notes says this is over Syria, not Iran.
My goodness. Iran is more impotent than I thought.
That makes more sense. To send a tanker over their airspace would require air supremacy which means that you have total and absolute control with no threat at all from aircraft or air defenses.
I think they get a lot of sun in that area of the world, you'd think we could work out a deal on some solar panels, go green and all that.
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This is true. A lot of the citizens there are sick and tired of how the corrupt government runs things. The people in power there often skim off of the top to where a small minority live like royalty while a big majority have to deal with lots of turmoil and oppression. For example, Iran is a giant oil producer. Much of their electricity comes from gasoline and oil—which shouldn’t be an issue there. However, because so many of the people in charge embezzled money for themselves—they put very little into upgrading their refineries (to produce high quality gasoline), they didn’t invest in improving the power grid, they didn’t invest in making more electrical power stations—and a big portion of people have to deal with frequent power outages in big cities like Tehran. The people there are kind, tough, and strong. They have had to deal with embargo’s that were brought upon the country because of their corrupt government, I could totally see why a large amount of them could be quietly rooting for a situation where their government gets uprooted.
They were a country from ~1700BC (the inception point is debatable) to 638AD, when Jerusalem was conquered by the Rashidun Caliphate. Then a bunch of stuff happened over the next 1300 years and Israel got their country back in 1948. So add a couple thousand years to this.
Islam doesn't tolerate infidels well.
I've always demarcated this by the target. These were military targets = not terrorism. USS Cole = not terrorism (act of war). Sept. 11th = terrorism. Etc., etc.
If a family member of yours was killed by an exploding cell phone while standing in line behind somebody to pay for some groceries, I think you would not qualify that death as a “military death”. If you are conducting a “military action” it needs to be done in a manner that does what it can to reduce innocent civilian casualties. Conducting a military action with no regard to the high possibility of innocent civilian casualties is something that is generally not condoned. If you have a hard time calling it terrorism—coordinating mass assassinations using explosive devices that have a high likelihood of going off in areas where non-military citizens were likely to get injured or killed is absolutely grounds for war crimes.
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