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The world doesn't have the stomach for that anymore. That pretty much has ended since WW2. Can't fathom what it takes to beat a country into full submission and surrender. As my wife's great uncle once told me about the Battle of the Bulge (he was a tank commander), "We did things to win that battle that wouldn't be allowed today. We stacked the frozen bodies in piles like logs."
I think you're probably right. With the Trump statement about air superiority, mobilizing aircraft carriers and refueling tankers on the way, it seems pretty evident that, and there is precedent from Trump 1 term, that this will be taken care of for the last time. My guess is the US will provide heavy support to completely dismantle the Iranian nuclear machine once & for all assuming they don't reach a deal in the next 24-48 hours. Guessing we are discussing this with them right now as assets are moved into place.
I get it, "war done right" is an oxymoron. I hate war like anyone else. I think of it similarly to something like chemotherapy. If you're going to create tremendous pain to take out the cancer, freaking take out the cancer, don't pussyfoot around. I have no idea if that would be considered an insensitive analogy, but sorry if it is.
I don't think so and I agree, if you are going to do this, leave no doubt. I alluded to it in my other response, I don't think the current regime will have a problem issuing an ultimatum and following through on it to the finish. There was a similar response to ISIS the first time around.
But it worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan...
Reports coming out about US military action is on the table going into the Trump Nat Sec Council meeting.
Most important actors in the world are happy Israel is taking it to Iran to stop them from obtaining nukes. There is some lip service to 'diplomacy' but even the Arab nations are secretly giving each other high fives. No one wants Iran with a nuke and for Israel, it is really is an existential demand that they do not.
Have that same vibe
Exactly. If our intelligence is that bad, why are there not firings there?
After us, Europe and the region.
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Yes, that is what I meant. Thanks.
That was Iran's goal in 2003, and this discussion of how close they are to actually having a nuclear weapon has been going on for years now, with an ever-changing audience. The way it usually happens is that IDF says Iran is "within X weeks" of having a functional nuke, the US press parrots that, and suddenly it seems like a new alarming situation to people not following it until that time. Then Iran doesn't blow anything up and the story fades, until the IDF announces it again. Since every other time the "within X weeks" story appeared turned out to be wrong, there's a hefty chance that they're not that close now. Just a newer audience to what has been a false alarm so far (that they are "close" to having nukes).
Well, you seem to be discounting or ignoring the fact that Israel and US have had several covert/strikes operations to slow down/stop/etc their nuke program for years.
I don't discount that. I'm saying the same PR bait that was used to alarm people in the US several times before this is being used to alarm people in the US now.
They've been working on it long enough that I wouldn't put the chances at 0%.
Not much sympathy for a band of dangerous religious fanatics finding out (though they aren't the only dangerous religious fanatics involved in this cluster), but then afterwards... what? What's the plan? How will things be better?
It probably won't because this involves the "r" word you posted. On both sides.
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Israel has been wanting this war all along and will create whatever narrative to justify it. It's a shame Trump is dumb enough to take the bait. You look at what happened in Palestine and realize there is little thought given to what happens after. This will likely be another Iraq type disaster
The first time elected, this administration was also very pro-Isreal do it shouldn't be a surprise. Honestly i think this was the outcome no matter who won last year.
Israel has been wanting this war all along and will create whatever narrative to justify it. It's a shame Trump is dumb enough to take the bait. You look at what happened in Palestine and realize there is little thought given to what happens after. This will likely be another Iraq type disaster
I think the biggest thing we can do is tear down the internet censorship within Iran. Expose the population to other world views and hope they drive change internally.
Right? I’ll never understand it
It's the primary reason countries like this cannot have nuclear weapons. It's the result when you have terrorists factions that take over by force and then rule. It's ugly. Imo
It's their religion. If they are doing things correctly, they will know so by the major pushback they get from outside sources. It's a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. If they don't get pushback, they aren't doing something right.
Well, it doesn’t seem like a very nice life to live
I have a lot of sympathy for the citizens of our countries because of the zealots making decisions. I don't care if Hamas and terrorists get theirs, but all the peripheral stuff is terrible.
Same deal with Gaza. They received an order of magnitude more money per capita than people rebuilding from WWII. Instead of building a society with that money they built tunnels and rockets.
The MOAB's are not nuclear.
As deep underground as the Iranians have dug I think most of the radiation stays underground.
The MOAB's are also useless in this case. They are airbust bombs used against surface targets.
The bunker buster is a 30,000 pound bomb with the only platform capable of using it is the B-2. It is us or bust.
Forward deployment of bombs is not unheard of by any means. I suspect those bombs are closer than most people realize,and that two B2‘s are already sitting in the region waiting for orders.
It is pretty much a known fact that they have enriched to 60%. There is no civilian use reason for that- it is the road towards a weapon. The amount of investment that they have made into a 'civilian nuclear program' outweighs the benefits of one. And absolutely no reason to enrich to 60%- again, a cost that would be needless for civilian use.
Location is just a coincidence? Ha ha
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