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Iran Launches "Large Scale Attack" on Israel (6 Viewers)

I hope you are right, but I still fail to see how this doesn't end up like Iraq and Afghanistan. We have had all the confidence in the world going into those events, and similar to now were told how "esay" it was going to be.
Absolutely nothing like Iraq or Afghanistan where in both we needed boots on the ground.
Again, I hope you are right. Again, I think you are wrong. 0 clue where your confidence is coming from that this will take no American forces on the ground. I think there will be retaliation directly on us if we drop that bomb for Isreal, and that will get us sucked it. I also think this is about nation building, not their nuclear program, so I don't think we stop at letting loose missiles.
 
US has completed "successful" bombing runs on 3 nuclear sites.

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Trump: We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran air space. A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow. All planes are safely on their way home.
I hope it was truly successful 🇺🇸 Though I am a Trump supporter, I won't lie: it's hard to know how to gauge the accuracy of most of the things he says.
 
I hope you are right, but I still fail to see how this doesn't end up like Iraq and Afghanistan. We have had all the confidence in the world going into those events, and similar to now were told how "esay" it was going to be.
Absolutely nothing like Iraq or Afghanistan where in both we needed boots on the ground.
Again, I hope you are right. Again, I think you are wrong. 0 clue where your confidence is coming from that this will take no American forces on the ground. I think there will be retaliation directly on us if we drop that bomb for Isreal, and that will get us sucked it. I also think this is about nation building, not their nuclear program, so I don't think we stop at letting loose missiles.
Well. First and foremost the primary reason boots on the ground shouldn't happen here is the geography. A tactical plan to move large amounts of troops into this naturally protected area would just result in to many casualties for us. In the Iraq conflict, which I was there in the very beginning of the war, we were able to build up large troop forces then unleash. Same with Afghanistan. This Iran conflict should be a Navy and Air Force bombardment until Iran says uncle. Hopefull it comes soon. I think it will. All my opinion of course.
 
Seems clear to me that the United States is in Israel’s pocket.
Uh. Strongly and politely disagree. They are like the youngest child that gets all the hand me downs. Our old bdus, our old m16s, our old tanks. As I was serving overseas with NATO soldiers, the term Little America in regards to Israel was a very real and common reference. We were never called Little Israel. Or Pocket Israel. Just would be silly.
 
I hope you are right, but I still fail to see how this doesn't end up like Iraq and Afghanistan. We have had all the confidence in the world going into those events, and similar to now were told how "esay" it was going to be.
Absolutely nothing like Iraq or Afghanistan where in both we needed boots on the ground.
Again, I hope you are right. Again, I think you are wrong. 0 clue where your confidence is coming from that this will take no American forces on the ground. I think there will be retaliation directly on us if we drop that bomb for Isreal, and that will get us sucked it. I also think this is about nation building, not their nuclear program, so I don't think we stop at letting loose missiles.
Well. First and foremost the primary reason boots on the ground shouldn't happen here is the geography. A tactical plan to move large amounts of troops into this naturally protected area would just result in to many casualties for us. In the Iraq conflict, which I was there in the very beginning of the war, we were able to build up large troop forces then unleash. Same with Afghanistan. This Iran conflict should be a Navy and Air Force bombardment until Iran says uncle. Hopefull it comes soon. I think it will. All my opinion of course.
And if they bomb a nearby post and there are American casualties?
 
Seems clear to me that the United States is in Israel’s pocket.
If there's one nation to stand with, they are the one, imho.
OK But there seems to be no restraints on Israel. They appear to do what they want, whenever they want and to whoever they want.
I can't confirm but I wouldn't be surprised if most of it is done with our blessing. And they are fighting terrorist cells/proxies and sponsors of terrorism so I'm not really up in arms over what they are doing.
 
I hope you are right, but I still fail to see how this doesn't end up like Iraq and Afghanistan. We have had all the confidence in the world going into those events, and similar to now were told how "esay" it was going to be.
Absolutely nothing like Iraq or Afghanistan where in both we needed boots on the ground.
Again, I hope you are right. Again, I think you are wrong. 0 clue where your confidence is coming from that this will take no American forces on the ground. I think there will be retaliation directly on us if we drop that bomb for Isreal, and that will get us sucked it. I also think this is about nation building, not their nuclear program, so I don't think we stop at letting loose missiles.
Well. First and foremost the primary reason boots on the ground shouldn't happen here is the geography. A tactical plan to move large amounts of troops into this naturally protected area would just result in to many casualties for us. In the Iraq conflict, which I was there in the very beginning of the war, we were able to build up large troop forces then unleash. Same with Afghanistan. This Iran conflict should be a Navy and Air Force bombardment until Iran says uncle. Hopefull it comes soon. I think it will. All my opinion of course.
And if they bomb a nearby post and there are American casualties?
I don't understand the question. Are u saying we have United States military posts deep in the country of Iran?
 

Iran had evacuated the three nuclear sites the US says it struck “some time ago,” according to the news director of Iranian state media IRIB, Iran’s semi-official Mehr News Agency reported

Iranian media has reported US President Donald Trump’s announcement that the US attacked Iran’s nuclear sites on Sunday morning local time.


Isfahan: Isfahan, in central Iran, is home to the country’s largest nuclear research complex.

The facility was built with support from China and opened in 1984, according to the NTI. According to NTI, 3,000 scientists are employed at Isfahan, and the site is “suspected of being the center” of Iran’s nuclear program.

It “operates three small Chinese-supplied research reactors,” as well as a “conversion facility, a fuel production plant, a zirconium cladding plant, and other facilities and laboratories,” the NTI says
 
Iran has lost just about every military leader that was spearheading their military and these nuke sites and that's been happening since the US took out Salamani during 45
Iran from reports has lost a ton of their missile launchers even if they have large numbers of ballistic missiles
They've already fired a ton of them and have not had the best success hitting their targets
They no longer have nuke sites to use as a bargaining chip
They have lost most of their proxies in Hamas, Hezbollah and the like
They still have an economy because they have oil fields, maybe they would like to lose those next

I love living in America
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I hope you are right, but I still fail to see how this doesn't end up like Iraq and Afghanistan. We have had all the confidence in the world going into those events, and similar to now were told how "esay" it was going to be.
Absolutely nothing like Iraq or Afghanistan where in both we needed boots on the ground.
Again, I hope you are right. Again, I think you are wrong. 0 clue where your confidence is coming from that this will take no American forces on the ground. I think there will be retaliation directly on us if we drop that bomb for Isreal, and that will get us sucked it. I also think this is about nation building, not their nuclear program, so I don't think we stop at letting loose missiles.
There is no objective for us to achieve for us with boots on the ground. We can pressure Iran with air power as much as needed. Their nuclear program is now wiped off the planet. Many of their nuclear scientists are dead. Much of their leadership is dead. Their military has been severely degraded. They will respond but what they can do it limited. They can attack bases in the region we have (we moved air and sea assets out of our bases in the area ahead of this) but based on the success rate that they have had against Israel, the damage is likely to be light.

My biggest fear is a terror attack here in the states. We know that terror cells have entered the US from the open borders we have had in years past. Are they going to be activated now?

Iran is losing. Losing bad. And every move they make here either makes them lose more or they can push back and hope to survive.
 
Well. First and foremost the primary reason boots on the ground shouldn't happen here is the geography. A tactical plan to move large amounts of troops into this naturally protected area would just result in to many casualties for us. In the Iraq conflict, which I was there in the very beginning of the war, we were able to build up large troop forces then unleash. Same with Afghanistan. This Iran conflict should be a Navy and Air Force bombardment until Iran says uncle. Hopefull it comes soon. I think it will. All my opinion of course.
A big risk is the Strait of Hormuz and targeting oil assets in the area. If Iran wants to go all in, that is what they will target... it will push our Navy to go Operation Praying Mantis on them but that would be Iran's play. If they were smart, they would shoot some rockets at some of our bases- call it their response and then rush to the Arab states pleading with them to get their surrender to us ASAP. They are out of playing cards. Their terror groups have been neutralized, the Houthis are nothing without Iranian backing and they have very little left in as much as a military that can threat us.
 
Seems clear to me that the United States is in Israel’s pocket.
If there's one nation to stand with, they are the one, imho.
OK But there seems to be no restraints on Israel. They appear to do what they want, whenever they want and to whoever they want.
If they could do whatever they want- the Supreme Leader would be among all the other top leadership of Irans military/intelligence/security officials. Trump said no. They listened.
 
Seems clear to me that the United States is in Israel’s pocket.
If there's one nation to stand with, they are the one, imho.

If you're into supporting warmongering countries that are currently involved in a genocide against their weaker neighbor then I guess that makes sense.
I could discuss this in detail but we need to route away from this type of posts in order to keep this thread going.
 
I wonder if those cargo planes carried nuclear material or equipment back to China?
I didn't see any notice of them moving out. There would be no benefit to China to bring it back but I could see some sort of arrangement of the Chinese getting something to take back to keep safe. Maybe. Who knows.
 
You guys continue to underestimate their resolve. Is this a set back? Absolutely. From their POV, they have nothing but time after just receiving confirmation, they are on the right path and Allah will bring them victory some day.

It absolutely does NOT matter how many of their leaders are gone. Every single one will be replaced.
 

China helped build several of their facilities. It's not a huge leap to think China would be sympathetic to Iran's position.
China is sympathetic to the Chinese making money. If China wanted Iran a nuclear state they have the ability to have made that happen long ago. They will happily sell them new research reactors etc because it is about making money for them. The only other interest that China has in Iran is that they are a PIA for the US.
 

U.S. strikes Iran's nuclear facilities​


The U.S. military conducted air strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities in Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan on Sunday morning local time, President Trump announced on Truth Social.

Why it matters: Trump's decision to intervene directly in support of Israel's effort to dismantle Iran's nuclear program marks a historic escalation in the Middle East.

  • It's an intervention fraught with risks and uncertainty — one that Trump and many of his predecessors had sought to avoid, including through diplomacy with Iran.
  • The attack, which came on the ninth night of the unprecedented war between Israel and Iran, could provoke retaliation from Tehran against U.S. troops and military installations across the region.
What he is saying: "We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran air space," Trump wrote on his Truth Social account.

  • The president added that "a full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow."
  • "There is not another military in the World that could have done this. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!" he wrote.
Driving the news: In the days leading up to the strike, Trump and his team became increasingly convinced that diplomacy had run its course — and that military action would be necessary to eliminate Iran's nuclear program.

  • The president publicly announced on Thursday that he would make a decision "in the next two weeks" to give Iran a final chance to negotiate, but preparations for a strike accelerated over the weekend.
  • Multiple B-2 stealth bombers — capable of carrying 30,000-pound "bunker-busters" — were detected heading west across the Pacific on Saturday, as speculation mounted that the U.S. would strike Iran's underground uranium enrichment facility in Fordow.
  • Trump had publicly questioned Israel's capacity to take out Fordow on its own, saying Friday: "They can break through a little section, but they can't go down very deep."
Behind the scenes: Trump, whose "America First" base has been deeply divided on whether to join Israel's war, has remained steadfast in one position: Iran must never be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon.

  • He made a last-ditch push to avoid U.S. intervention last week, exploring a backchannel meeting with Iranian officials in Istanbul, brokered by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.
  • Trump was willing to send White House envoy Steve Witkoff and Vice President Vance — or even attend the talks himself if necessary.
  • But the effort collapsed when Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who was in hiding over fears of Israeli assassination, couldn't be reached to authorize the meeting.
Since then, Iran has refused to engage directly with the U.S. unless Israel halts its attacks. Trump, now convinced no deal is possible, appears to have moved ahead with the military option he once hoped to avoid.
 

China helped build several of their facilities. It's not a huge leap to think China would be sympathetic to Iran's position.
China is sympathetic to the Chinese making money. If China wanted Iran a nuclear state they have the ability to have made that happen long ago. They will happily sell them new research reactors etc because it is about making money for them. The only other interest that China has in Iran is that they are a PIA for the US.
Does it really matter WHY they are supporting them or just that they support them?
 

Wiping out surface-to-air missiles is the way to win a modern air war — and Israel's gotten very good at it​


  • Israel's attacks on Iran have dealt a heavy blow to Iran's air defenses.
  • They are a prime example of a critical tactic in modern warfare, experts said.
  • Suppressing and destroying enemy air defenses is key to emerging victorious in an air war.
Israel has been pummeling Iran's arsenal of air defenses, hitting air bases and knocking out its missiles to open the airspace up for further strikes.

Targeting enemy surface-to-air missiles to secure air superiority is a critical early move in an air war like Israel's, where the primary objective is to bomb the enemy's combat capabilities, comprehensively degrading its ability to fight.

It's a tactic known as suppression and destruction of enemy air defenses. Israel was instrumental in advancing this type of warfare after failure taught a hard lesson in the 70s. In the decades since, it has executed it against foes repeatedly.

Last week, the Israeli military launched "Operation Rising Lion," a combat operation aimed at destroying Iran's nuclear program, as well as severely degrading its military capabilities, including ballistic missile programs and air defenses. Israel's armed forces have targeted military leaders and critical defensive capabilities as well.

The air campaign has seen the Israeli Air Force strike Iranian surface-to-air missile assets and other targets, heavily weakening Iran's ability to maintain control over its skies. Earlier this week, the Israeli Air Force said its bombing runs from fighter jets like F-35Is, F-16s, and F-15s had given it air superiority over large areas of Iran, including the capital Tehran.

The unique, fifth-generation F-35 Adirs of the Israeli Air Force are, despite limited information on their activities, believed to have played a critical role in the operations against Iran, as this is exactly what the jets were made for: penetrating contested air to weaken enemy defenses.

The Israeli military said recently that it had destroyed more than 70 Iranian air-defense batteries, weapons armed with surface-to-air missiles. Destroying those enemy air defenses is widely seen as absolutely imperative in modern air campaigns, Douglas Birkey, the executive director of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, said. "The ability to access their domain unfettered is fundamental to really be able to fight competently."

Crippling enemy's air defenses to clear the way for an air war is a tactic that stems from lessons learned from Israel's failures in the Yom Kippur War in 1973 and US experiences in Vietnam.

During its war, Israel lost 102 aircraft in the fight, many to enemy surface-to-air missile batteries. The losses spurred the development of strategies focused on suppressing enemy air defenses and destroying them.

Israel masterfully demonstrated the tactic during Operation Mole Cricket 19, an operation carried out during the 1982 Lebanon War. The Syrian military had fortified eastern Lebanon with sophisticated Soviet-supplied air defense systems, effectively turning Beqaa Valley into a no-fly zone filled with surface-to-air missiles.

Israel broke the enemy air defense network with decoys and deception, electronic warfare, and precision air strikes. It didn't even have the stealth aircraft it has today. The strikes on the SAM batteries cleared the way for Israeli F-15s and F-16s to break through and dominate the skies, destroying dozens of hostile fighters.

Western militaries studied the Israeli operation's success, as no other military had ever done anything quite like that. In the early 1990s, the US employed the tactic in Operation Desert Storm, breaking open Iraq's skies for more permissive combat operations with air cover, and then, NATO's forces did the same in Serbia a little later that same decade.

Eliminating enemy air defenses can rely on high-cost, specialized weapons able to target hidden, high-value air defense radars, explained Patrycja Bazylczyk, a program manager and research associate with the Missile Defense Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. These include systems like anti-radition missiles.

"By leveraging intelligence-gathering and pre-positioned drones within Iranian territory to target air defense assets, Israel underscores how low-cost drones can impose outsized losses on Iranian long-range strike capabilities," she added. Indeed, this kind of reconnaissance was key in Beqaa Valley as well.

There are few details on Israel's operation beyond targets eliminated, but Birkey said its assault on Iran's air defenses likely included broad array of effects employed simultaneously.

"That might include cyberattacks to bring down networks that could control command and control. It might be electronic warfare to jam certain radars and other communications means," he said.


It could involve high-end standoff missiles, stealth aircraft, and drones, too. Taking out enemy air defense batteries is a fast, complex operation that requires insight into how the enemy thinks and operates, as well as detailed mapping out of which targets need to be hit with what and when.

Now, with more control over Iran's skies, "Israeli aircraft and drones can go after military targets like a fish in a barrel," Bazylczyk said.

Like Israel's experiences during the Yom Kippur War, the importance of the suppression and destruction of enemy air defenses mission isn't only seen in victories, but also failures as well.

Russia's failures in the Ukraine war to wipe out enemy air defenses cost the Russian Air Force air superiority, preventing a quicker resolution, as Russian air assets have been largely unable to provide critical close air support for ground forces. It's led instead to a grinding war of attrition in which both sides are locked in something of a stalemate, burning through artillery, weapons, and soldiers.

Israel's current campaign against Iran comes on the heels of strikes against Iranian defensive capabilities last fall. Its main targets are related to Iran's nuclear program, which Tehran has said is for civilian purposes, although enrichment levels and secretive nuclear activity have raised concerns in the West.


US President Donald Trump has repeatedly said that Iran cannot be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon, and in recent days has increased rhetoric against Iran and its leadership. The US claims it wasn't involved in Israel's initial attacks, but Trump has signaled that he is now mulling a decision on US strikes against Iran. He has opened a two-week negotiating window.

In the meantime, the US Navy has warships, including an aircraft carrier and several surface ships, stationed in and around the Middle East. Some of these assets have provided air defense for Israel, helping shield it from retaliatory Iranian missile strikes.
 

China helped build several of their facilities. It's not a huge leap to think China would be sympathetic to Iran's position.
China is sympathetic to the Chinese making money. If China wanted Iran a nuclear state they have the ability to have made that happen long ago. They will happily sell them new research reactors etc because it is about making money for them. The only other interest that China has in Iran is that they are a PIA for the US.
Does it really matter WHY they are supporting them or just that they support them?
China is our biggest threat and we need to wake up to it. The purpose of knowing why is understanding what China will and will not do in their support of Iran. It is much more an enemy of my enemy is my friend than them being best buds. China is oppressive of Islam- they don't want to empower Muslims to the point that it would be an issue internally for them but support them enough for them to continue to be a PIA to us.
 
I certainly hope Chadstroma and MOP are more accurate w/re to our war in Iran than they were cheerleading the war in Iraq for years and years.
Not accurate, major differences going after established nuke sites enriching uranium almost at weapons grade where the leaders have only one goal, destroy Israel
I'm not upset and I actually think the post reads like you want to cheer alongside with us but have reservations because of Colin Powell and the intel on Iraq, I get it
It's Ok to cheer tonight and it's OK to have questions and be a little skeptical, it's not wrong
 
I certainly hope Chadstroma and MOP are more accurate w/re to our war in Iran than they were cheerleading the war in Iraq for years and years.
I could respond to this but it would touch on politics which we are trying to avoid here so enjoy your little hit and run post. I am sure you feel proud of it.
Has nothing to do with politics. War is hell, and the unintended consequences are enormous.

Like I said, I hope this turns out to be the right move. 👍
 
I certainly hope Chadstroma and MOP are more accurate w/re to our war in Iran than they were cheerleading the war in Iraq for years and years.
Not accurate, major differences going after established nuke sites enriching uranium almost at weapons grade where the leaders have only one goal, destroy Israel
I'm not upset and I actually think the post reads like you want to cheer alongside with us but have reservations because of Colin Powell and the intel on Iraq, I get it
It's Ok to cheer tonight and it's OK to have questions and be a little skeptical, it's not wrong
It’s just like Iraq in the sense that the consensus of the intelligence community is in direct contradiction to the people telling us this has to be done.
 

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