Is a Denver vs Seattle Super Bowl inevitable? (2 Viewers)

[Village Idiot]

Probably not inevitable.

Both teams are still the top seed in their division.

And?

I'll let your geniusness figure it out.

What I've figured out is Seattle hasn't clinched top seed yet.If they lose next week and San Francisco wins out, Seattle is the wild card.

And?

It should be obvious what happens if Seattle does not win the division.

They have to rely on their league best road record?

Try again KC is 6-1 SEA is 6-2.

 

[PainTrain]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

Playing in a different surface

These are all huge for Seattle.

Seattle has the #27 ranked homefield advantage in the NFL:

www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/home-advantage-by-team

ETA:

Also... #1 ranked road team

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/away-power-ranking-by-team

 

[Warrior]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

Playing in a different surface

These are all huge for Seattle.

Seattle has the #27 ranked homefield advantage in the NFL:

www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/home-advantage-by-team

If some random idiot on the internet creates a website that appears to have no logic factored in at all, it must be true!

 

[pizzatyme]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

These are all huge for Seattle.

Yeah like yesterday you mean when Seattle's final drive was stopped on a interception that should have been an incompletion? Or was it the ten penalties that led you to believe that.

You have to be the biggest guy in here.

Also, what does this mean:

Playing in a different surface

Would they have to play on the moon? Why would they play "in" the surface?

I'm sure you can appreciate a typo, teacher.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

Playing in a different surface

These are all huge for Seattle.

Seattle has the #27 ranked homefield advantage in the NFL:

www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/home-advantage-by-team

If some random idiot on the internet creates a website that appears to have no logic factored in at all, it must be true!

Yeah I don't know how a 7-1 team can be 27th, or how they can drop from #3 one week to #27 the next.

 

[Neofight]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

These are all huge for Seattle.

Yeah like yesterday you mean when Seattle's final drive was stopped on a interception that should have been an incompletion? Or was it the ten penalties that led you to believe that. You have to be the biggest guy in here.

Also, what does this mean:

Playing in a different surface

Would they have to play on the moon? Why would they play "in" the surface?

I'm sure you can appreciate a typo, teacher.

Explain "home cooking officiating", learner.

 

[mad sweeney]

Probably not inevitable.

Both teams are still the top seed in their division.

And?

I'll let your geniusness figure it out.

What I've figured out is Seattle hasn't clinched top seed yet.If they lose next week and San Francisco wins out, Seattle is the wild card.

And?

It should be obvious what happens if Seattle does not win the division.

They have to rely on their league best road record?

Try again KC is 6-1 SEA is 6-2.

Sorry, pending league best. At worst, they're the second best road team this year.

 

[pizzatyme]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

These are all huge for Seattle.

Yeah like yesterday you mean when Seattle's final drive was stopped on a interception that should have been an incompletion? Or was it the ten penalties that led you to believe that. You have to be the biggest guy in here.

Also, what does this mean:

Playing in a different surface

Would they have to play on the moon? Why would they play "in" the surface?

I'm sure you can appreciate a typo, teacher.

Explain "home cooking officiating", learner.

Well, I can see school is out on winter break. What are you guys, 12?

 

[Neofight]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

These are all huge for Seattle.

Yeah like yesterday you mean when Seattle's final drive was stopped on a interception that should have been an incompletion? Or was it the ten penalties that led you to believe that. You have to be the biggest guy in here.

Also, what does this mean:

Playing in a different surface

Would they have to play on the moon? Why would they play "in" the surface?

I'm sure you can appreciate a typo, teacher.

Explain "home cooking officiating", learner.

Well, I can see school is out on winter break. What are you guys, 12?

Here I give you the benefit of the doubt, even speak your language in an attempt at empathy... And you still can't back up your claims. When will you say something meaningful?

 

[pizzatyme]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

These are all huge for Seattle.

Yeah like yesterday you mean when Seattle's final drive was stopped on a interception that should have been an incompletion? Or was it the ten penalties that led you to believe that. You have to be the biggest guy in here.

Also, what does this mean:

Playing in a different surface

Would they have to play on the moon? Why would they play "in" the surface?

I'm sure you can appreciate a typo, teacher.

Explain "home cooking officiating", learner.

Well, I can see school is out on winter break. What are you guys, 12?

Here I give you the benefit of the doubt, even speak your language in an attempt at empathy... And you still can't back up your claims.When will you say something meaningful?

Every team gets a home advantage from officials. Is this that hard for you to understand? Are you so obtuse that you need specific examples to fully understand this? If so, I'm sorry for you. Now, because I don't like you, welcome to ignore. Take your game elsewhere.

 

[Neofight]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

These are all huge for Seattle.

Yeah like yesterday you mean when Seattle's final drive was stopped on a interception that should have been an incompletion? Or was it the ten penalties that led you to believe that. You have to be the biggest guy in here.

Also, what does this mean:

Playing in a different surface

Would they have to play on the moon? Why would they play "in" the surface?

I'm sure you can appreciate a typo, teacher.

Explain "home cooking officiating", learner.

Well, I can see school is out on winter break. What are you guys, 12?

Here I give you the benefit of the doubt, even speak your language in an attempt at empathy... And you still can't back up your claims.When will you say something meaningful?

Every team gets a home advantage from officials. Is this that hard for you to understand? Are you so obtuse that you need specific examples to fully understand this? If so, I'm sorry for you. Now, because I don't like you, welcome to ignore. Take your game elsewhere.

I never meant to hurt you.

 

[Neofight]

I'd say the loss of Miller puts a serious dent in this being a lock. Didn't really like Denver's D before this loss, but things could get ugly come playoff time without him.

 

[JaxBill]

I'd say the loss of Miller puts a serious dent in this being a lock. Didn't really like Denver's D before this loss, but things could get ugly come playoff time without him.

Wish i said that before the iFight broke out.

 

[Neofight]

I'd say the loss of Miller puts a serious dent in this being a lock. Didn't really like Denver's D before this loss, but things could get ugly come playoff time without him.

Wish i said that before the iFight broke out.

Hey, I looked man. It's hard to cut through the solipsistic crap PT likes to spew, so I only did a cursory glance of the last few pages.My apologies if you stated it, but it's worth restating.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Chicago is the team everyone is overlooking. I think they're absolutely unstoppable. They're a lock to win the division because Detroit will choke. And once they do, they'll walk to the Super Bowl and tear through the playoffs.

Detroit did choke but Chicago is terrible.

I personally like Seattle, this past weekend will probably be the last time they lose this year. No team has ever won the SB undefeated and so many people only see black or white, since Seattle lost they are now not the team.

No, they play tough defense, the best in the league. They have a ground game, a playmaker QB and a solid coach.

Denver who just won didn't impress me as much. They have holes in that defense and will struggle to get to the SB. They can do it, but they will be up against it at some point because of that D. I also don't really believe in their running game when the chips are on the line, despite the good year Moreno has put together.

I would say it's more likely to see Seattle in the SB than Denver.

Might want to check your facts on that one.

True, i was thinking with the current game schedule, not the eras where they played 12 and 14 game regular seasons. It's a lot more difficult to accomplish that today but I did not clarify, thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

These are all huge for Seattle.

Yeah like yesterday you mean when Seattle's final drive was stopped on a interception that should have been an incompletion? Or was it the ten penalties that led you to believe that. You have to be the biggest guy in here.

Also, what does this mean:

Playing in a different surface

Would they have to play on the moon? Why would they play "in" the surface?

I'm sure you can appreciate a typo, teacher.

Explain "home cooking officiating", learner.

Well, I can see school is out on winter break. What are you guys, 12?

Here I give you the benefit of the doubt, even speak your language in an attempt at empathy... And you still can't back up your claims.When will you say something meaningful?

Every team gets a home advantage from officials. Is this that hard for you to understand? Are you so obtuse that you need specific examples to fully understand this? If so, I'm sorry for you. Now, because I don't like you, welcome to ignore. Take your game elsewhere.

Who is 12?

 

[Neofight]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

These are all huge for Seattle.

Yeah like yesterday you mean when Seattle's final drive was stopped on a interception that should have been an incompletion? Or was it the ten penalties that led you to believe that. You have to be the biggest guy in here.

Also, what does this mean:

Playing in a different surface

Would they have to play on the moon? Why would they play "in" the surface?

I'm sure you can appreciate a typo, teacher.

Explain "home cooking officiating", learner.

Well, I can see school is out on winter break. What are you guys, 12?

Here I give you the benefit of the doubt, even speak your language in an attempt at empathy... And you still can't back up your claims.When will you say something meaningful?

Every team gets a home advantage from officials. Is this that hard for you to understand? Are you so obtuse that you need specific examples to fully understand this? If so, I'm sorry for you. Now, because I don't like you, welcome to ignore. Take your game elsewhere.

Who is 12?

Careful there, Doc, you might get yourself on ignore.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

These are all huge for Seattle.

Yeah like yesterday you mean when Seattle's final drive was stopped on a interception that should have been an incompletion? Or was it the ten penalties that led you to believe that. You have to be the biggest guy in here.

Also, what does this mean:

Playing in a different surface

Would they have to play on the moon? Why would they play "in" the surface?

I'm sure you can appreciate a typo, teacher.

Explain "home cooking officiating", learner.

Well, I can see school is out on winter break. What are you guys, 12?

Here I give you the benefit of the doubt, even speak your language in an attempt at empathy... And you still can't back up your claims.When will you say something meaningful?

Every team gets a home advantage from officials. Is this that hard for you to understand? Are you so obtuse that you need specific examples to fully understand this? If so, I'm sorry for you. Now, because I don't like you, welcome to ignore. Take your game elsewhere.

Who is 12?

Careful there, Doc, you might get yourself on ignore.

FINAL WARNING

 

[Captain Hook]

I know it only week 3 but it just looks to me like it will be difficult to avoid. League's best offense vs the league's best defense should be interesting even if it is somewhat predictable. Most people are thinking it even if they aren't already saying it.

Sorry but I think it's a silly question

Aside from most playoffs not going to chalk there is the matter of Peyton's playoff record, Carolina also a good defensive team that could beat Seattle like Arizona did yesterday, and did you forget about Brady and Bellicheck and the Patriots?

 

[mad sweeney]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

These are all huge for Seattle.

Yeah like yesterday you mean when Seattle's final drive was stopped on a interception that should have been an incompletion? Or was it the ten penalties that led you to believe that. You have to be the biggest guy in here.

Also, what does this mean:

Playing in a different surface

Would they have to play on the moon? Why would they play "in" the surface?

I'm sure you can appreciate a typo, teacher.

Explain "home cooking officiating", learner.

Well, I can see school is out on winter break. What are you guys, 12?

Here I give you the benefit of the doubt, even speak your language in an attempt at empathy... And you still can't back up your claims.When will you say something meaningful?

Every team gets a home advantage from officials. Is this that hard for you to understand? Are you so obtuse that you need specific examples to fully understand this? If so, I'm sorry for you. Now, because I don't like you, welcome to ignore. Take your game elsewhere.

Home cooking would've been helpful yesterday. Sorry that the most recent game happens to completely invalidate your assessment.

 

[pizzatyme]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

These are all huge for Seattle.

Yeah like yesterday you mean when Seattle's final drive was stopped on a interception that should have been an incompletion? Or was it the ten penalties that led you to believe that. You have to be the biggest guy in here.

Also, what does this mean:

Playing in a different surface

Would they have to play on the moon? Why would they play "in" the surface?

I'm sure you can appreciate a typo, teacher.

Explain "home cooking officiating", learner.

Well, I can see school is out on winter break. What are you guys, 12?

Here I give you the benefit of the doubt, even speak your language in an attempt at empathy... And you still can't back up your claims.When will you say something meaningful?

Every team gets a home advantage from officials. Is this that hard for you to understand? Are you so obtuse that you need specific examples to fully understand this? If so, I'm sorry for you. Now, because I don't like you, welcome to ignore. Take your game elsewhere.

Home cooking would've been helpful yesterday. Sorry that the most recent game happens to completely invalidate your assessment.

ok

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Do home teams really have an advantage?

Absolutely. In their book Scorecasting, Toby Moscowitz and Jon Wertheim helpfully compile the percentage of home games won by teams in all the major sports. Some data sets go back further than others (MLB figures are since 1903; NFL figures are only from 1966, and MLS since 2002), but they are all large enough to be conclusive:

League Home Games Won

MLB 53.9%

NHL 55.7%

NFL 57.3%

NBA 60.5%

MLS 69.1%

So its hard to argue against the home-field advantage. In fact my Freakonomics co-author Steve Levitt once wrote an academic paper about the wisdom of betting (shh!) on home underdogs (more here).

But why does that advantage exist? There are a lot of theories to consider, including:

Sleeping in your own bed and eating home cooking

Better familiarity with the home field/court

Crowd support

Those all make sense, dont they? In Scorecasting, Moscowitz and Wertheim compile data to test a variety of popular theories. You might be surprised (and maybe even disappointed) to read their conclusion:

When athletes are at home, they dont seem to hit or pitch better in baseball or pass better in football. The crowd doesnt appear to be helping the home team or harming the visitors. We checked the vicissitudes of travel off the list. And although scheduling bias against the road team explains some of the home-field advantage, particularly in college sports, its irrelevant in many sports.

So if these popular explanations dont have much explanatory power for home-field advantage, what does?

In a word: the refs. Moscowitz and Wertheim found that home teams essentially get slightly preferential treatment from the officials, whether its a called third strike in baseball or, in soccer, a foul that results in a penalty kick. (Its worth noting that a soccer referee has more latitude to influence a games outcome than officials in other sports, which helps explain why the home-field advantage is greater in soccer, around the world, than in any other pro sport.)

Moscowitz and Wertheim also make clear, however, an important nuance: official bias is quite likely involuntary.

What does this mean? It means that officials dont consciously decide to give the home team an advantage but rather, being social creatures (and human beings) like the rest of us, they assimilate the emotion of the home crowd and, once in a while, make a call that makes a whole lot of close-by, noisy people very happy.

One of the most compelling (and cleverest) arguments in favor of this theory comes from a research paper by Thomas Dohmen about home-field advantage in Germanys Bundesliga, the countrys top soccer league.

Dohmen found that home-field advantage was smaller in stadiums that happened to have a running track surrounding the soccer pitch, and larger in stadiums without a track.

Why?

Apparently, when the crowd sits closer to the field, the officials are more susceptible to getting caught up in the home-crowd emotion. Or, as Dohmen puts it:

The social atmosphere in the stadium leads referees into favoritism although being impartial is optimal for them to maximize their re-appointment probability.

So it looks like crowd support does matter but not in the way you might have thought. Keep this in mind next time youre shouting your brains out at a football game. Just make sure you know who youre supposed to be shouting at.

http://freakonomics.com/2011/12/18/football-freakonomics-how-advantageous-is-home-field-advantage-and-why/

 

[cacksman]

Colts have now beaten the Niners, Seahawks, Chiefs, Broncos. time to take notice.

As a Hawks fan I would love to play the Colts in the Super Bowl.

*And no I'm not saying it's a lock Seattle makes it even with HFA. I do think they have the best chance of any NFC team but literally anything can happen in the playoffs.

 

[pizzatyme]

Iggy, apparently the ref thing was debunked due to yesterday's game in Seattle.

 

[mad sweeney]

Iggy, apparently the ref thing was debunked due to yesterday's game in Seattle.

Slight involuntary advantage becomes "home cooking". Just like 6-2 road games means trouble winning on the road. <insert another pizzatyme Seattle slam here>

 

[Neofight]

Do home teams really have an advantage?

Absolutely. In their book Scorecasting, Toby Moscowitz and Jon Wertheim helpfully compile the percentage of home games won by teams in all the major sports. Some data sets go back further than others (MLB figures are since 1903; NFL figures are only from 1966, and MLS since 2002), but they are all large enough to be conclusive:

League Home Games Won

MLB 53.9%

NHL 55.7%

NFL 57.3%

NBA 60.5%

MLS 69.1%

So its hard to argue against the home-field advantage. In fact my Freakonomics co-author Steve Levitt once wrote an academic paper about the wisdom of betting (shh!) on home underdogs (more here).

But why does that advantage exist? There are a lot of theories to consider, including:

Sleeping in your own bed and eating home cooking

Better familiarity with the home field/court

Crowd support

Those all make sense, dont they? In Scorecasting, Moscowitz and Wertheim compile data to test a variety of popular theories. You might be surprised (and maybe even disappointed) to read their conclusion:

When athletes are at home, they dont seem to hit or pitch better in baseball or pass better in football. The crowd doesnt appear to be helping the home team or harming the visitors. We checked the vicissitudes of travel off the list. And although scheduling bias against the road team explains some of the home-field advantage, particularly in college sports, its irrelevant in many sports.

So if these popular explanations dont have much explanatory power for home-field advantage, what does?In a word: the refs. Moscowitz and Wertheim found that home teams essentially get slightly preferential treatment from the officials, whether its a called third strike in baseball or, in soccer, a foul that results in a penalty kick. (Its worth noting that a soccer referee has more latitude to influence a games outcome than officials in other sports, which helps explain why the home-field advantage is greater in soccer, around the world, than in any other pro sport.)

Moscowitz and Wertheim also make clear, however, an important nuance: official bias is quite likely involuntary.

What does this mean? It means that officials dont consciously decide to give the home team an advantage but rather, being social creatures (and human beings) like the rest of us, they assimilate the emotion of the home crowd and, once in a while, make a call that makes a whole lot of close-by, noisy people very happy.

One of the most compelling (and cleverest) arguments in favor of this theory comes from a research paper by Thomas Dohmen about home-field advantage in Germanys Bundesliga, the countrys top soccer league.

Dohmen found that home-field advantage was smaller in stadiums that happened to have a running track surrounding the soccer pitch, and larger in stadiums without a track.

Why?

Apparently, when the crowd sits closer to the field, the officials are more susceptible to getting caught up in the home-crowd emotion. Or, as Dohmen puts it:

The social atmosphere in the stadium leads referees into favoritism although being impartial is optimal for them to maximize their re-appointment probability.

So it looks like crowd support does matter but not in the way you might have thought. Keep this in mind next time youre shouting your brains out at a football game. Just make sure you know who youre supposed to be shouting at.http://freakonomics....antage-and-why/

This theory has proponents, mostly among non-NFL types. I find it lacking and am surprised (well, perhaps not) by the simple fact that the Freakonomics story didn't include penalties accrued by the home team as opposed to the visiting team during NFL games.Fortunately for us, Brian Burke of Advanced NFL Stats has done exactly this for the 2006 NFL season. What he found was that home teams averaged .4 fewer penalties and 2 fewer yards penalized, per game, over an entire NFL season. That doesn't seem like much of an advantage:

Fumbles, Penalties, and Home Field Advantage

I had a theory that part of home field advantage may come from fumble recovery rates. Specifically, I was thinking of the kind of fumble that results in a pile of humanity fighting for the ball by doing things to each other only elsewhere done in prisons. It seems that the officials often have no better way of determining possession than by guessing which player has more control of the ball than the other guy. Sometimes it seems like they have a system--pulling the players off the pile one by one until they can see the ball. But in the end, they're still relying on their own judgment. There are complicating factors. Where was the ball when the play was whistled dead? When was the original ball carrier down? Was it a fumble or incomplete pass? In many cases, the process is analogous to basketball referees determining possession of a "jump ball" by their judgment of which player has better grip, or which player ultimately ripped the ball loose.

Perhaps the influence of the crowd had an effect on the officials by biasing their judgment. It's plausible because their have been many academic studies documenting the psychological effect of a home crowd on officiating in several sports. Much of the research focuses on penalties and fouls called by the officials, but what about other matters of judgment? Fumble recoveries might shed some light.

If the fumble recovery rate of home teams is significantly greater than away teams, then we'd have evidence that NFL officials are favoring home teams. The table below lists home and visiting team's fumbles and fumbles lost from the entire 2007 regular season encompassing 256 games.

Fumbles Lost Rate (%)

Visitor 409 189 46.2

Home 388 189 48.7

It appears that although visiting teams fumbled slightly more often, they lost possession less frequently. Neither difference is statistically significant, however, indicating that officials are unbiased in that department.

Although my fumble theory was a bust, what about penalties. Could the difference in penalties given to home and away teams be large enough to explain most of the home field advantage in the NFL? But if visiting teams in fact penalized more, it wouldn't necessarily indicate officiating bias. It could be due to crowd noise or other factors.

The table below lists The visitor and home penalty and penalty yard averages for the 2006 regular season.

Penalties/G Pen Yards/G

Visitor 6.2 50.1

Home 5.8 48.1

I was very surprised by how small the difference is. On average, visiting teams only have 0.4 more penalties called (and accepted) on them than home teams for a difference of only 2 yards. I would expect the difference to be greater because of false start and delay of game penalties due to crowd noise.

In 2006, home teams won 55.6% of regular season games. According to the in-game model at Football Prediction Network, the difference of 2 penalty yards can only account for about 0.9% of the 5.6% home field advantage.

It appears that neither fumble recoveries nor penalties account for much of home field advantage in the NFL. Other factors such as travel fatigue or motivation are likely to be much more important. So I came up empty handed in the research...or so I thought until I came across some gems at Referee Chat Blog when doing some background research.

The author tracks officiating data from week to week, crew by crew. One of the most interesting things he's found is that crews don't tend to consistently favor home teams more than visiting teams across seasons (correlation = -0.04). Contrary to what was found in the study of officiating in British Premier League soccer I linked to above, NFL officials do not indicate a susceptibility to home crowd influence.

Many of the author's conclusions are based on differences in very small sample sizes (and he seems to realize this), but the data there are sound. Rex definitely knows his refs.

Brian Burke

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/02/fumbles-penalties-and-home-field.html?m=1I think there are plenty of obvious advantages in terms of travel and weather issues, or altitude in the case of a team like Denver, but from a physiological and sociological perspective, this theory is much more compelling: http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/09/hawks-doves-and-home-field-advantage.html?m=1

(note the apropos name of the piece).

P.S. Burke also notes that all stats have a home field bias.

P.P.S. can someone please let junior know?

 

[pizzatyme]

Iggy, apparently the ref thing was debunked due to yesterday's game in Seattle.

Slight involuntary advantage becomes "home cooking". Just like 6-2 road games means trouble winning on the road. <insert another pizzatyme Seattle slam here>

Not sure where you think I am "slamming" the Seahawks. I'm on record as saying they have an amazing Defense (and especially at home). I like Lynch and Wilson too.

My only contention is that I don't think they have enough offense to win against the better teams to win it all. If I'm ultimately wrong, I'll admit it as it will be obvious.

Every team gets homer calls, it just painfully obvious. One game is not a proper sample size.

Do you disagree that the Seahawks will have more trouble winning on the road than at home in the playoffs?

 

[mad sweeney]

Iggy, apparently the ref thing was debunked due to yesterday's game in Seattle.

Slight involuntary advantage becomes "home cooking". Just like 6-2 road games means trouble winning on the road. <insert another pizzatyme Seattle slam here>

Not sure where you think I am "slamming" the Seahawks. I'm on record as saying they have an amazing Defense (and especially at home). I like Lynch and Wilson too.My only contention is that I don't think they have enough offense to win against the better teams to win it all. If I'm ultimately wrong, I'll admit it as it will be obvious.

Every team gets homer calls, it just painfully obvious. One game is not a proper sample size.

Do you disagree that the Seahawks will have more trouble winning on the road than at home in the playoffs?

You seem to almost always have nothing but negative things to say about the Seahawks. Game threads other threads about them, you're trolling in there. So I find it hard to believe that you weren't saying something a little more than just "all home teams get them".

 

[Neofight]

Iggy, apparently the ref thing was debunked due to yesterday's game in Seattle.

Slight involuntary advantage becomes "home cooking". Just like 6-2 road games means trouble winning on the road. <insert another pizzatyme Seattle slam here>

Not sure where you think I am "slamming" the Seahawks. I'm on record as saying they have an amazing Defense (and especially at home). I like Lynch and Wilson too.My only contention is that I don't think they have enough offense to win against the better teams to win it all. If I'm ultimately wrong, I'll admit it as it will be obvious.

Every team gets homer calls, it just painfully obvious. One game is not a proper sample size.

Do you disagree that the Seahawks will have more trouble winning on the road than at home in the playoffs?

.4, dude. That's two yards per game.

 

[pizzatyme]

Seattle can certainly win on the road but it also diminishes their advantage a lot!

No 12th man

No home cooking officiating

Playing in a different surface

These are all huge for Seattle.

I apologize if you took "home cooking" as something more than it was intended. All teams get this. None more than the Patriots IMO.

I see these advantages all very important to Seattle (just like they would be any team), especially the 12th man. Home turf versus grass. Home edge by the refs. All of these add to something special for the Seahawks at home.

On the road, it's a different story. As i said above, they can obviously still win.

 

[Village Idiot]

Iggy, apparently the ref thing was debunked due to yesterday's game in Seattle.

Slight involuntary advantage becomes "home cooking". Just like 6-2 road games means trouble winning on the road. <insert another pizzatyme Seattle slam here>

Who did the Seahawks play on the road?

Panthers - Good win

Texans - LOL

Colts - loss

Cardinals - Good win

Rams - Meh

Falcons - LOL

Niners - loss

Giants - LOL

They are .500 against good teams on the road.

Guess what level of teams you play in the playoffs?

Hint It is not the Texans, Giants, Falcons or Rams.

 

[CapnJB]

Iggy, apparently the ref thing was debunked due to yesterday's game in Seattle.

Slight involuntary advantage becomes "home cooking". Just like 6-2 road games means trouble winning on the road. <insert another pizzatyme Seattle slam here>

Who did the Seahawks play on the road?

Panthers - Good win

Texans - LOL

Colts - loss

Cardinals - Good win

Rams - Meh

Falcons - LOL

Niners - loss

Giants - LOL

They are .500 against good teams on the road.

Guess what level of teams you play in the playoffs?

Hint It is not the Texans, Giants, Falcons or Rams.

Do you really think there is value in this? Let's try it with another team...

Who did the Niners play on the road?

Seahawks - loss

Rams - Meh

Titans - LOL

Jaguars - LOL

Saints - loss

Redskins - LOL

Bucs - LOL

They are .000 against good teams on the road.

Guess what level of teams you play in the playoffs?

Hint It is not the Titans, Jaguars, Redskins or Rams.

I guess the Niners are doomed too?

 

[Neofight]

Iggy, apparently the ref thing was debunked due to yesterday's game in Seattle.

Slight involuntary advantage becomes "home cooking". Just like 6-2 road games means trouble winning on the road. <insert another pizzatyme Seattle slam here>

Who did the Seahawks play on the road?

Panthers - Good win

Texans - LOL

Colts - loss

Cardinals - Good win

Rams - Meh

Falcons - LOL

Niners - loss

Giants - LOL

They are .500 against good teams on the road.

Guess what level of teams you play in the playoffs?

Hint It is not the Texans, Giants, Falcons or Rams.

Do you really think there is value in this? Let's try it with another team...

Who did the Niners play on the road?

Seahawks - loss

Rams - Meh

Titans - LOL

Jaguars - LOL

Saints - loss

Redskins - LOL

Bucs - LOL

They are .000 against good teams on the road.

Guess what level of teams you play in the playoffs?

Hint It is not the Titans, Jaguars, Redskins or Rams.

I guess the Niners are doomed too?

I think he did, else why would he bother? Some people confuse LOL and meh with objective analysis.

 

[Village Idiot]

Iggy, apparently the ref thing was debunked due to yesterday's game in Seattle.

Slight involuntary advantage becomes "home cooking". Just like 6-2 road games means trouble winning on the road. <insert another pizzatyme Seattle slam here>

Who did the Seahawks play on the road?

Panthers - Good win

Texans - LOL

Colts - loss

Cardinals - Good win

Rams - Meh

Falcons - LOL

Niners - loss

Giants - LOL

They are .500 against good teams on the road.

Guess what level of teams you play in the playoffs?

Hint It is not the Texans, Giants, Falcons or Rams.

Do you really think there is value in this? Let's try it with another team...

Who did the Niners play on the road?

Seahawks - loss

Rams - Meh

Titans - LOL

Jaguars - LOL

Saints - loss

Redskins - LOL

Bucs - LOL

They are .000 against good teams on the road.

Guess what level of teams you play in the playoffs?

Hint It is not the Titans, Jaguars, Redskins or Rams.

I guess the Niners are doomed too?

Did I say the Seahawks were doomed?

Did I say I expected the Niners to make it to the SB?

 

[lbouchard]

All teams get this. None more than the Patriots IMO.

 

[proninja]

Iggy, apparently the ref thing was debunked due to yesterday's game in Seattle.

Slight involuntary advantage becomes "home cooking". Just like 6-2 road games means trouble winning on the road. <insert another pizzatyme Seattle slam here>

Who did the Seahawks play on the road?

Panthers - Good win

Texans - LOL

Colts - loss

Cardinals - Good win

Rams - Meh

Falcons - LOL

Niners - loss

Giants - LOL

They are .500 against good teams on the road.

Guess what level of teams you play in the playoffs?

Hint It is not the Texans, Giants, Falcons or Rams.

This doesn't mean the Seahawks are bad. This just means it's hard to win in the NFL against good teams on the road, and why it should be obvious that no super bowl combination of teams is inevitable.

 

[IheartGuinness]

I still think Chicago is going to do it. There are plenty of teams that dominate all season long and it's no surprise when they make it to the Super Bowl. But there are also those teams that just get hot at the right moment and ride that momentum through the post season. The Packers, Giants, and Steelers have all played that role fairly recently, and I think the Bears are that team this year. I know they're just going to massacre the Packers, and that victory will set the tone for their playoff run.

 

[seahawk 17]

Chicago has lost three of their last five games. How is that being hot or riding momentum?

 

[jurb26]

Chicago needs to make the playoffs first.

 

[dutch]

Chicago needs to make the playoffs first.

and find a defense that doesn't suck giant moose...

 

[LuckyOne]

I still think Chicago is going to do it. There are plenty of teams that dominate all season long and it's no surprise when they make it to the Super Bowl. But there are also those teams that just get hot at the right moment and ride that momentum through the post season. The Packers, Giants, and Steelers have all played that role fairly recently, and I think the Bears are that team this year. I know they're just going to massacre the Packers, and that victory will set the tone for their playoff run.

Last week, they just lost 54-11

 

[msudaisy26]

The top 10 scoring teams of all time only 1 has won the Super Bowl, of the top 5 none of them have won the Super Bowl.

 

[Riversco]

The Panthers are the huge threat to the Seahawks.

The AFC is wide open to me.

 

[Riversco]

The road warriors of 2013 are the San Diego Chargers. They beat the Eagles, Chiefs, and Broncos all on the road. No one has more impressive road victories. The Chargers also beat the Colts and Cowboys. The Chargers problem is losses to the lowly Texans, Raiders, and Redskins.

If the Chargers can just get in the playoffs, they can be a threat. They can win anywhere.

 

[mad sweeney]

The road warriors of 2013 are the San Diego Chargers. They beat the Eagles, Chiefs, and Broncos all on the road. No one has more impressive road victories. The Chargers also beat the Colts and Cowboys. The Chargers problem is losses to the lowly Texans, Raiders, and Redskins.

If the Chargers can just get in the playoffs, they can be a threat. They can win anywhere.

A team that can't even sell out their home games in one of the best winter weather cities in the world is no wonder that they play better on the road. Can't feel very welcoming there. But I also can't blame the San Diegons since it's pretty clear that the Spanoses are trying to get the team up in LA.

 

[Riversco]

The road warriors of 2013 are the San Diego Chargers. They beat the Eagles, Chiefs, and Broncos all on the road. No one has more impressive road victories. The Chargers also beat the Colts and Cowboys. The Chargers problem is losses to the lowly Texans, Raiders, and Redskins.

If the Chargers can just get in the playoffs, they can be a threat. They can win anywhere.

A team that can't even sell out their home games in one of the best winter weather cities in the world is no wonder that they play better on the road. Can't feel very welcoming there. But I also can't blame the San Diegons since it's pretty clear that the Spanoses are trying to get the team up in LA.

They are good at home. They lost at home to the Broncos and Bengals which are two very good teams.

 

[Sabertooth]

Green Bay is going to be interesting to watch today. They are getting back potentially the best player in the NFL and his top weapon in Cobb. That's a hell of a talent infusion. Whether they can hit the ground running is going to be the question. This offense, once it clicks with Cobb, Jordy, Lacy, Starks, and Jones is going to be unstoppable. Hopefully they can get it right today.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Green Bay is going to be interesting to watch today. They are getting back potentially the best player in the NFL and his top weapon in Cobb. That's a hell of a talent infusion. Whether they can hit the ground running is going to be the question. This offense, once it clicks with Cobb, Jordy, Lacy, Starks, and Jones is going to be unstoppable. Hopefully they can get it right today.

Too bad their defense stinks, even worse that Denver's. But unlike the Broncos, the Packers, if they make it, will likely have to do the majority of their playoff damage on the road, and that is hard to do with a defense that porous. I would never deny how great Aaron Rodgers is, but even with him and those weapons, the Packers were still ousted in the divisional round the last two years, in large part because their defense got torn to shreds by the Giants and 49ers.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The Panthers 49ers are the huge threat to the Seahawks.

The AFC is wide open to me.

 

[Ghost Rider]

If someone is gonna win at Seattle, they are gonna have to do it like Arizona did last week: keep it low-scoring and hope to make a few more plays. SF and Carolina are the only teams I see being able to do that, and even that might be a stretch for SF considering how poorly they played at Seattle the last two times. But you can't get into a shootout and expect to win at Seattle. Once their offense gets on a roll at home, it will just snowball, and you are done. See: the game against New Orleans.