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Is a Denver vs Seattle Super Bowl inevitable? (1 Viewer)

Next two weeks are going to say a lot about what kind of team Seattle really is.Holy.... reasonable. Batman.
Most hawk fans are scared to pick their own team. You would be shocked at the number of "trap game" conversations happened last week before the Jax game.
I'm not afraid to pick them, I am just one of the realists. O-line is already playing like crap and this week Okung is out, and Unger and Breno are injured and may not play. Top that off with Seattle plays worse on the road and a side of 10:00am start.

I want to see them overcome adversity and win these two games before I crown them SB Champs.

 
IMO, a Bronco prediction says just as much about the field as it does about the Broncos. There are no other teams out there that have looked the part so far. Baltimore was dismantled by Broncos opening weekend. Patriots have major questions everywhere but QB and a rather un-inspiring game vs NYJ under their belts. Houston D has given up a ton of points so far. The Bengals are, well, the Bengals. The dolphins and Chiefs look to be making some noise, but haven't been good in a long time so it's hard to be thinking superbowl. The Steelers are old. The Colts, IMO, are the biggest threat right now, especially with Richardson.
And Denver doubled up Baltimore week 15 last year, in Baltimore no less.

Manning has a bit of a tendency to throw the killer pick in big games. He's disappointed more than he's come through.

 
Seattle 's first team owned Denver 's in preseason, but neuther side was unleashing their full fury.
This isn't entirely true. Manning was 11/16/ for 163 yards, 1 TD and 0 int in 1 quarter plus one 2nd quarter drive. A receiver fumbled on a 20 yard catch. That's easily on pace for 400+ yards. But what's telling is that the the reserves slaughtered the Broncos. Down the stretch, depth will matter more. The Seahawks so far have been playing without many of their most talented defensive players, and without Harvin on the other side. The cavalry are coming, and in the meantime Seattle's backups are not only getting quality game experience, they have already made significant contributions to an incredible defensive unit. Seattle hasn't yet rolled out their playoff squad and they've been winning with an abbreviated team.

Carolina destroyed the Giants at home, in ways no team in the NFL would expect to do. The Seahawks beat them on the road. In their last 5 road games including playoffs, they are 4-1, out scoring opponents by 71 points (compare this to the 49ers who over the same stretch are 2-5 on the road, outscored by 70).

The Seahawks will be difficult to beat on the road. There are games they absolutely could lose on the road, but if they win half of those they still probably win home field advantage through the playoffs. If they lose 2 games at home it would be a shock. If they win home field advantage throughout the playoffs, they should be favored against any NFC team at Centurylink Field.

The Broncos, more than the Seahawks, must stay healthy, which makes their future a little less stable.

The team that can beat the Seahawks at home can pose a significant threat--I'm looking at you, Saints--but the Saints come to Seattle on a Monday night, which should make home field advantage a heavier burden for them to bear.

 
I'm not afraid to pick them, I am just one of the realists. O-line is already playing like crap and this week Okung is out, and Unger and Breno are injured and may not play. Top that off with Seattle plays worse on the road and a side of 10:00am start.

I want to see them overcome adversity and win these two games before I crown them SB Champs.
Agreed. The O-line is thin in terms of depth and at the moment, frighteningly light on starters. It could be their ticket to mediocrity.

 
Is this the same Sea team that should have lost to Car game 1 (nice fumble gift notwithstanding)...
They're a team that thrives on takeaways. They already have 3 or 4 RZ takeaways this year. You can't obviously count on them as a game plan, but the D is set up to try and force them.I would love to see a mid season chess match between Seattle's secondary and Manning 'a receiving corps. Seattle 's first team owned Denver 's in preseason, but neuther side was unleashing their full fury.
One of the two bad fumbles was a muff on a punt return, nothing to do with the D. The other one was more DeAngelo's fault on the end of a great run at the 6 yard line where he needs to get down for a 1st and goal to seal the game. Also, if Cam hits a wide open LaFell for an easy TD and the punt return guy just fair catches the ball safely, Carolina wins the game and DeAngelo slides down to kill the clock. While Seattle looked good against SF, that same SF team got blasted by Indy in SF last week and Jax sucks. Denver has looked far more dominant to me after watching how bad SF has looked.

I think Seattle is a solid team and I have no doubt they are in the playoffs (meaning they have to be in the SB talk), but Carolina really should be 3-0 instead of 1-2. Beating Seattle week 1 would have been a great start and maybe Ron Rivera doesn't pull the reigns in so much on Cam that the give the game to Buffalo on a last minute TD because they decided to be too conservative. Sucks to be a Carolina fan watching their huge weakness (D) turn into a strength this year and they decide to piss away two wins.

 
IMO, a Bronco prediction says just as much about the field as it does about the Broncos. There are no other teams out there that have looked the part so far. Baltimore was dismantled by Broncos opening weekend. Patriots have major questions everywhere but QB and a rather un-inspiring game vs NYJ under their belts. Houston D has given up a ton of points so far. The Bengals are, well, the Bengals. The dolphins and Chiefs look to be making some noise, but haven't been good in a long time so it's hard to be thinking superbowl. The Steelers are old. The Colts, IMO, are the biggest threat right now, especially with Richardson.
And Denver doubled up Baltimore week 15 last year, in Baltimore no less.

Manning has a bit of a tendency to throw the killer pick in big games. He's disappointed more than he's come through.
Not only that but in September...

2012 Champion Ravens lost to 4-12 Eagles

2011 Champion Giants got doubled up by the 5-11 Redskins

... so I'm not sure that "looking the part" in September is huge factor.

 
I wouldn't be surprised if neither one makes it. I don't trust Denver's defense or running game and the NFC is full of good teams.
Don't trust Denver's Defense? You mean the one that's #1 in the NFL vs the run? Or the one who softens up and allows a lot of garbage pass yards in the 2nd Half. Oh, you mean the one who's been keeping teams under 24 without their two best players Champ and Von Miller.

 
When was the last time the two best teams / teams with the best record met in the Super Bowl? No one cares how you play in September. It's how you play in Dec / Jan / Feb that counts.

For that matter, how often does the best team in a conference even reach the SB anymore?
2009. Colts vs Saints.
Yep. But I think Dallas/Buffalo in the early 90s was the 2nd most recent time it happened. Right now, Denver and Seattle look like the two best teams by far, but like has been said, being the best in September doesn't mean a whole lot.

 
Even Football Outsiders - whose algos love SEA and DEN so much that they were their two highest-DVOA teams last year - doesn't have either of them as odds-on favorites to reach the SB this season, much less both of them.

If you find someone who's willing to make an even-odds bet on this happening, please let me know. I'll drain my savings account.

 
Is this the same Sea team that should have lost to Car game 1 (nice fumble gift notwithstanding)...
They're a team that thrives on takeaways. They already have 3 or 4 RZ takeaways this year. You can't obviously count on them as a game plan, but the D is set up to try and force them.I would love to see a mid season chess match between Seattle's secondary and Manning 'a receiving corps. Seattle 's first team owned Denver 's in preseason, but neuther side was unleashing their full fury.
One of the two bad fumbles was a muff on a punt return, nothing to do with the D. The other one was more DeAngelo's fault on the end of a great run at the 6 yard line where he needs to get down for a 1st and goal to seal the game. Also, if Cam hits a wide open LaFell for an easy TD and the punt return guy just fair catches the ball safely, Carolina wins the game and DeAngelo slides down to kill the clock. While Seattle looked good against SF, that same SF team got blasted by Indy in SF last week and Jax sucks. Denver has looked far more dominant to me after watching how bad SF has looked.

I think Seattle is a solid team and I have no doubt they are in the playoffs (meaning they have to be in the SB talk), but Carolina really should be 3-0 instead of 1-2. Beating Seattle week 1 would have been a great start and maybe Ron Rivera doesn't pull the reigns in so much on Cam that the give the game to Buffalo on a last minute TD because they decided to be too conservative. Sucks to be a Carolina fan watching their huge weakness (D) turn into a strength this year and they decide to piss away two wins.
I don't understand people saying CAR should have won that game, am I remembering this game wrong? The score was 12-7 SEA with 5:25 left in the game when Williams fumbled, SEA still had all 3 time outs. CAR would have needed to score a TD to take the lead and then a 2 point conversion to make it a 3 point game. There would have been plenty of time left for SEA to score a TD or kick a FG to win had the 2 point conversion failed. Even if the 2 point conversion was a success a FG would tie the game.

 
1 vs 1 match ups don't happen very often in terms of seedings, although one of the top seeds usually makes it to the SB.

(Seedings might be slighty off as I quickly looked them up . . .)

2012 2 v 4

2011 1 v 4

2010 2 v 5

2009 1 v 1

2008 2 v 4

2007 1 v 5

2006 1 v 3

2005 1 v 6

2004 1 v 2

2003 1 v 3

2002 1 v 2

2001 1 v 2

2000 1 v 4

1999 1 v 4

1998 1 v 2

1997 2 v 4

1996 1 v 2

1995 1 v 2

 
I know it only week 3 but it just looks to me like it will be difficult to avoid. League's best offense vs the league's best defense should be interesting even if it is somewhat predictable. Most people are thinking it even if they aren't already saying it.
There are way too many unbeaten teams to make this call. And week 3? What about injuries? Anything can happen between now and the end of the season. I am not thinking it but I am thinking that the Seahawks better not get home field advantage. The other NFC contenders better stay ahead of them in the win/loss dept.

 
I am a little surprised at the Saints love. I am not even sure they are the best team in their division.
An elite offense and presently a 5th ranked defense in the NFL. Sean Payton being back as head coach is much more of a difference maker than you are willing to admit.

 
I am a little surprised at the Saints love. I am not even sure they are the best team in their division.
An elite offense and presently a 5th ranked defense in the NFL. Sean Payton being back as head coach is much more of a difference maker than you are willing to admit.
They are currently ranked 15th in PPG for offense. If you are using that to make your point on defense you need to tell the story on offense.

The Seahawks are #1PPG on Defense and #4 PPG on offense.

 
These teams all face each other in regular season, Bears, Saints, Seahawks , Niners, it will be settled on the field, not by the statistics.

 
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I have yet to jump on Seattle's SB bandwagon it's way to early. Next two weeks are going to say a lot about what kind of team Seattle really is. Like all NFL teams a major injury to a star player and your team is toast.(I am looking at you Denver.)

Now if Seattle did have to face Den in the SB, cold weather game in February would be perfect.
I think the best omen for the Seahawks going to the SB is the fact that it's in Jersey. The last time the SB was in a northern city nobody wants to go to ever, much less in the wintertime, the Seahawks went to the SB.

But yes, I agree with you. There's a lot of season left to play. On paper the Hawks look great, but it's week 3. No reason for any fanbase to get too cocky or too down.

 
I know it only week 3 but it just looks to me like it will be difficult to avoid. League's best offense vs the league's best defense should be interesting even if it is somewhat predictable. Most people are thinking it even if they aren't already saying it.
Come on......difficult to avoid?

Injuries...injuries....long season, one game elimination.....The NFL is probably the most unknown of all the major sports today.

Atlanta, Houston, Green Bay, some very strong teams still out there.

Denver looks stout.....but they can be beaten by any of those teams any given Sunday.

Seattle.....their offense will be their undoing if they get into a game with a juggernaut on offense like an Atlanta or a Greenbay....so many variables left to be taken into account for....it's week freaking 4 coming up.

Atlanta vs Houston is my pick for the Super Bowl.

 
ImTheScientist said:
Breesisdaman said:
I am a little surprised at the Saints love. I am not even sure they are the best team in their division.
An elite offense and presently a 5th ranked defense in the NFL. Sean Payton being back as head coach is much more of a difference maker than you are willing to admit.
They are currently ranked 15th in PPG for offense. If you are using that to make your point on defense you need to tell the story on offense.

The Seahawks are #1PPG on Defense and #4 PPG on offense.
Through 3 weeks man.....3 weeks.

Let's talk when the post season rolls around.

So much left to happen.

 
Atlanta? really? they kind of look like they took a step back to me, but there is a lot of ball left to play so we shall see.

 
Atlanta vs Houston is my pick for the Super Bowl.
Even still?

To me, Atlanta is a team that HAS to have home field to have a good chance to make it, and with two losses already on their ledger before October, they nearly have to run the table to likely get home field, which is not likely given the injuries they have, the schedule they have, and the type of team they are. They had some miracle last minute finishes last year to get to 13-3, and still blew it at home in the NCCCG. Atlanta looks to be a 9-10 win team again and a first round loss.

Houston might win their division, but it is hard for me to envision a team with Matt Schaub at QB making it when teams with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are likely to have higher seeds. Houston just doesn't seem to have that "it" factor that makes me feel comfortable predicting them to make it to the Super Bowl. They will win 10-11 games again, but I see a divisional round loss for them again, at best.

 
Atlanta? really? they kind of look like they took a step back to me, but there is a lot of ball left to play so we shall see.
Mmmm...it's early....but they should have beaten my Dolphins....clearly outplayed them most of the day...controlled the LOS all day...Rodgers and Snelling chewed the run defense up.....so that game could have went either way....same for the opening day loss to the Saints.

Their offense is really really good. And their defense is improved from last year. Slow start...yes. But I expect them to win at leat 11 games.....at least. They are a real contender this year again.

But like we all agree on....it's a long season and injuries will change the fortune of a few teams as they always seem to do every year.

 
Atlanta vs Houston is my pick for the Super Bowl.
Even still?

To me, Atlanta is a team that HAS to have home field to have a good chance to make it, and with two losses already on their ledger before October, they nearly have to run the table to likely get home field, which is not likely given the injuries they have, the schedule they have, and the type of team they are. They had some miracle last minute finishes last year to get to 13-3, and still blew it at home in the NCCCG. Atlanta looks to be a 9-10 win team again and a first round loss.

Houston might win their division, but it is hard for me to envision a team with Matt Schaub at QB making it when teams with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are likely to have higher seeds. Houston just doesn't seem to have that "it" factor that makes me feel comfortable predicting them to make it to the Super Bowl. They will win 10-11 games again, but I see a divisional round loss for them again, at best.
If Joe Flacco can win a Super Bowl.....if Trent Dilfer...let's keep going.

Houston has an elite type of offense IMO...and presents far better balance long term than Denvers. Foster and Tate are a heck of a tandem...AJ and now Hopkins along with Daniels.....Schaub just needs to be good...not great. Their defense has upside too.

I love watching Peyton play....one of the best ever....but for some reason....not in the playoffs...he just does not to seem to have it....in the post season. It's been proven over the course of his entire career. Losing his LT will play out over the course of the year. The lack of a trustworthy RB is troublesome....although Knowson has been the bst of the bunch....I would not want to trust him in the post season. Who knows.....

Atlanta IMO will turn things around in a hurry. But I could be very wrong. I just see so much talent on that team it's hard not to think they can get hot at the right time vs last year blowing it at home. I think that lesson Matty Ice learned last season will help him a lot this year.

Again.....after seeing what Flacco pulled off last year....anything is possible. Because Flacco is the most overpaid QB ever in this league. Guy got hot....at the right time....and cashed in. Good for him.

 
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Denver vs Seattle Superbowl? Possible. Maybe even likely. I'd put them as the most likely matchup at this stage of the game.

But "Inevitable?" Someone has either a bad case of homeritis or poor command of the English language.

 
Denver vs Seattle Superbowl? Possible. Maybe even likely. I'd put them as the most likely matchup at this stage of the game.

But "Inevitable?" Someone has either a bad case of homeritis or poor command of the English language.
is that tony curtis? loved him.

 
Seattle 's first team owned Denver 's in preseason, but neuther side was unleashing their full fury.
This isn't entirely true. Manning was 11/16/ for 163 yards, 1 TD and 0 int in 1 quarter plus one 2nd quarter drive. A receiver fumbled on a 20 yard catch. That's easily on pace for 400+ yards. But what's telling is that the the reserves slaughtered the Broncos. Down the stretch, depth will matter more. The Seahawks so far have been playing without many of their most talented defensive players, and without Harvin on the other side. The cavalry are coming, and in the meantime Seattle's backups are not only getting quality game experience, they have already made significant contributions to an incredible defensive unit. Seattle hasn't yet rolled out their playoff squad and they've been winning with an abbreviated team.

Carolina destroyed the Giants at home, in ways no team in the NFL would expect to do. The Seahawks beat them on the road. In their last 5 road games including playoffs, they are 4-1, out scoring opponents by 71 points (compare this to the 49ers who over the same stretch are 2-5 on the road, outscored by 70).

The Seahawks will be difficult to beat on the road. There are games they absolutely could lose on the road, but if they win half of those they still probably win home field advantage through the playoffs. If they lose 2 games at home it would be a shock. If they win home field advantage throughout the playoffs, they should be favored against any NFC team at Centurylink Field.

The Broncos, more than the Seahawks, must stay healthy, which makes their future a little less stable.

The team that can beat the Seahawks at home can pose a significant threat--I'm looking at you, Saints--but the Saints come to Seattle on a Monday night, which should make home field advantage a heavier burden for them to bear.
:slowclap:

It's already been said over and over again. These two teams have the best chances at making it but anything can happen in the playoffs. There doesn't appear to be a team capable of competing with Denver in the AFC, and give Seattle homefield and I don't see them not making it to Jersey.

 
IMO, a Bronco prediction says just as much about the field as it does about the Broncos. There are no other teams out there that have looked the part so far. Baltimore was dismantled by Broncos opening weekend. Patriots have major questions everywhere but QB and a rather un-inspiring game vs NYJ under their belts. Houston D has given up a ton of points so far. The Bengals are, well, the Bengals. The dolphins and Chiefs look to be making some noise, but haven't been good in a long time so it's hard to be thinking superbowl. The Steelers are old. The Colts, IMO, are the biggest threat right now, especially with Richardson.
Maybe that is the perception, that the AFC is weak minus Den. I'd say its a bad one though. Indy is pretty good. They just beat one of the supposed powers of the NFC in SF. Mia as well by beating ATL. KC is a very dangerous team IMO. Great defense, solid running game. Maybe better to say elite RB who is used in multiple ways. Smart and efficient QB who won't beat his own team. NE is always a threat because of Brady, BB and a great oline. Then there is perhaps the most talented team in the league, Cinci. They also beat one of the NFC supposed powers in GB. Odd that the NFC is perceived to be so much better yet several of their top teams have already lost to top AFC teams this year.

 
I am a little surprised at the Saints love. I am not even sure they are the best team in their division.
How are they any different then Seattle? Dominant at home and on one side of the ball, good on the other side and they already beat the main competition in their division once, and that team in each division is 1 - 2.
I guess we have a different definition on what 'dominant' is?
You don't think the Saints have a dominant offense?

 
I am a little surprised at the Saints love. I am not even sure they are the best team in their division.
How are they any different then Seattle? Dominant at home and on one side of the ball, good on the other side and they already beat the main competition in their division once, and that team in each division is 1 - 2.
I guess we have a different definition on what 'dominant' is?
You don't think the Saints have a dominant offense?
Crrently the Saints are 15th in PPG. So I would say no. That could change.

 
I'd like to see the case that is made to expect Atlanta instead of Seattle. I understand "you just never know", but that relies on some unforeseen intervention. The Seahawks are deep. Their O-line could implode, possibly, but even if you think that's probable, they are very strong everywhere else. And they probably won't lose 2 games at home. They seem to have the inside track on homefield advantage. Do you suggest that Atlanta is more likely to secure it, or that Atlanta is likely to win a playoff game in Seattle? Will the Falcons win at least 2 more games than Seattle? Pick 2 remaining games that the Seahawks will lose and cross them off. Now, for each loss the Falcons have between now and playoffs, choose an additional game you expect them to lose. That is to say, if the Falcons win all of their remaining games except two, choose four remaining games that the Seahawks will definitely lose, (or 8 that go 50-50). It could happen, but I wouldn't call it my best guess.

 
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I am a little surprised at the Saints love. I am not even sure they are the best team in their division.
How are they any different then Seattle? Dominant at home and on one side of the ball, good on the other side and they already beat the main competition in their division once, and that team in each division is 1 - 2.
I guess we have a different definition on what 'dominant' is?
You don't think the Saints have a dominant offense?
Crrently the Saints are 15th in PPG. So I would say no. That could change.
I am going by what they do year in and year out, 3 games is too small of a sample size. Talk to me after 8 games and if they are still middle of the pack then I will concede.

 
Neither team will be there. Forehead can't win outside in the cold in the playoffs. Seattle will choke.

Pats over Packers.

Once both teams are fully healthy by mid season or so, I can see this easily happening.

 
Neither team will be there. Forehead can't win outside in the cold in the playoffs. Seattle will choke.

Pats over Packers.

Once both teams are fully healthy by mid season or so, I can see this easily happening.
I love this thought because I am a Pats fan, but I can't see Green Bay, have you seen that defense? They remind of the Saints team that went into Seattle a few years ago for the Marshawn Lynch beastmode run. Or even 2000 Rams that couldn't stop anyone and lost to Saints in the playoffs.

 
Seattle 's first team owned Denver 's in preseason, but neuther side was unleashing their full fury.
This isn't entirely true. Manning was 11/16/ for 163 yards, 1 TD and 0 int in 1 quarter plus one 2nd quarter drive. A receiver fumbled on a 20 yard catch. That's easily on pace for 400+ yards. But what's telling is that the the reserves slaughtered the Broncos. Down the stretch, depth will matter more. The Seahawks so far have been playing without many of their most talented defensive players, and without Harvin on the other side. The cavalry are coming, and in the meantime Seattle's backups are not only getting quality game experience, they have already made significant contributions to an incredible defensive unit. Seattle hasn't yet rolled out their playoff squad and they've been winning with an abbreviated team.Carolina destroyed the Giants at home, in ways no team in the NFL would expect to do. The Seahawks beat them on the road. In their last 5 road games including playoffs, they are 4-1, out scoring opponents by 71 points (compare this to the 49ers who over the same stretch are 2-5 on the road, outscored by 70).

The Seahawks will be difficult to beat on the road. There are games they absolutely could lose on the road, but if they win half of those they still probably win home field advantage through the playoffs. If they lose 2 games at home it would be a shock. If they win home field advantage throughout the playoffs, they should be favored against any NFC team at Centurylink Field.

The Broncos, more than the Seahawks, must stay healthy, which makes their future a little less stable.

The team that can beat the Seahawks at home can pose a significant threat--I'm looking at you, Saints--but the Saints come to Seattle on a Monday night, which should make home field advantage a heavier burden for them to bear.
:slowclap:

It's already been said over and over again. These two teams have the best chances at making it but anything can happen in the playoffs. There doesn't appear to be a team capable of competing with Denver in the AFC, and give Seattle homefield and I don't see them not making it to Jersey.
Its only been 3 weeks. I can see the reasoning for Seattle in the NFC, but there certainly are teams in the AFC that are capable of beating Denver. The Patriots being the obvious choice. Maybe they don't have the fire power this season, but one thing they do have is a much better defense then the last few years. By the end of the season they might even have a top 5 defense. Brady and BB have also owned Del Rio the past few seasons. I can also see Baltimore or the Bengals topping them as well. Don't go claiming no team can stop the Broncos when its only been 3 weeks. This is a very small sample size of whats to come.

 
Just FYI:

"Jacksonville is the worst NFL team I have ever seen,” says Golden Nugget bookmaker Aaron Kessler. Not many people in Vegas disagree. Nine-point underdogs at home last week against the Colts, the Jags were supported by an extremely positive trend: Home-team underdogs of more than eight points had covered 23 of 25 against the spread. The public didn’t care about that, fading Jacksonville with both fists, and Jacksonville didn’t come close to covering, resulting in the biggest win of the day for players, as reported by BetOnline.ag.

As much as bettors hate Jacksonville, they love Denver. These two play next week, and with early spreads in the 27-point range, the Broncos have a chance to be the biggest favorite in NFL history. Against Philadelphia, Denver garnered 71 percent of the bets (according to our ticket count tracking tool at Pregame.com), and their cover was another win for the bettors. "We got destroyed on this game. Lost not only on the side and total for the game, but also lost big on the first half and second half side and total," said Mike Perry from Sportsbook.ag.

Seattle is another favorite of the average bettor. Their comeback win and cover was another loser for the books, with 79 percent of the money bet on this game at Mike Perry’s shop backing the Seahawks. With Denver and Seattle on a Super Bowl collision course, many have asked which team would be favored. The consensus Vegas opinion is that Denver on a neutral field would be favored by five points, which equates to over a touchdown at home. Surprisingly, the Broncos would be a small favorite, even in Seattle.
 

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