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Is Andrew Luck the best QB Prospect Ever? (1 Viewer)
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floods
Footballguy
Without retrospect, clearly.
massraider
Footballguy
Elway is probably the best QB prospect ever.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I believe this is correct. A lot of people might want to revise history and say Peyton Manning, but there was great doubt at the time whether he was even the best QB in his draft class.
very true. i was thinking either elway or luck. i also think elway but to even make me think of Luck in the conversation says a lot.Manning was great, but like you said there were doubts by many he was even the best in his class.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Kanil
Footballguy
My work here is already done.Joe Summer
Footballguy
Luck is pretty far down the list, primarily because he came on fairly late (he wasn't as hyped as Locker was at the beginning of the season).
Just off the top of my head, Elway, Manning, Leaf, and Aikman....were all considered to be superior prospects overall.
Just off the top of my head, Elway, Manning, Leaf, and Aikman....were all considered to be superior prospects overall.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
The Jeff George hype train was also in full effect prior to the 1990 draft. Some said he was the most technically perfect QB they had ever seen with an absolute cannon hanging from his shoulder. But at the time, not many people realized what a melon head he was.
not even close
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Namath
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Well yeah, but not in the same league as some of the names in this thread. Hell, David Klingler, who succeeded him at UH was probably a better prospect.Ahhhh, the fruits of hanging 95 points on a defenseless SMU team!
LHUCKS
Footballguy
that's not the way i remember it. luck >>>> locker.
by_the_sea_wannabe
:sj:
For me at the time of the drafts it would be Leaf, Vick, Luck, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Sanchez, and then Peyton Manning
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Mel Kiper had Locker #1 and Luck #2 at the beginning of the season. Luck was certainly getting a fair amount of press (as shown by the #2 ranking), but few experts were projecting him ahead of Locker prior to mid-September of this season. Locker has been one of the most-hyped college QBs in the nation ever since his freshman year.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
He did have all the tools. My favorite line about Jeff George:"I look at my body today, and if there's a scratch from protecting Jeff George, I feel I did something wrong." - Bubba Paris
i'm sure there's a thread on fbg about luck being better than locker as an nfl prospect back in september. or maybe there were just a lot of people who said that in the locker hype thread. i don't remember. but i'm sure i'm not the only one who watched games in 2009 and saw this.oh, and FTR, i think ryan mallet will be a bust in the nfl. just so you can pin this and look it up in 2-3 years when he goes ryan leaf.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Sweet call Mel. I think his constant pimping of Jimmy was a favor to his agent Wichard. Kiper has lost a ton of cred by pimping up Jimmy when everyone under the sun can see he is a smaller version of Joey Harrington.
I remember Elway could throw really hard and run over defenders but I dont ever recall Elway throwing as good on the run as Luck.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I remember a lot of them laughing at the Raiders for drafting him that high.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Michael Vick...people forget when it was him vs FSU in the Championship...and I do mean it was 1 vs 11 it seemed.
I bow to Elway simply because his class was loaded so to be at the front of a class with Kelly, Marino, and others meant he was pretty darn hyped with expectations.
Eli Manning was similar too because like Elway he didn't want to play for the team that drafted him and was actually able to call the shots on it for the most part.
I bow to Elway simply because his class was loaded so to be at the front of a class with Kelly, Marino, and others meant he was pretty darn hyped with expectations.
Eli Manning was similar too because like Elway he didn't want to play for the team that drafted him and was actually able to call the shots on it for the most part.
shader
Footballguy
In SEC country, we all knew Peyton was going to be a star. Leaf got alot of national hype and there was a pretty big debate on Leaf/Peyton.
However, anyone that had seen Peyton play in college more than once or twice knew he was going to absolutely be a superstar in the NFL.
He's the last SURE THING I can remember.
However, anyone that had seen Peyton play in college more than once or twice knew he was going to absolutely be a superstar in the NFL.
He's the last SURE THING I can remember.
gump
Footballguy
Imagine if he didn't have the college knee surgery.
Big_Russel
Footballguy
This is the second guy I thought of after Horse Face.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Wasn't Eli a guy that was a no doubt #1 overall pick and considered can't miss?
Dismattle
Footballguy
MassRaider already answered your question, but heres an interesting read. http://www.patspulpit.com/2010/12/29/18976...nfl-quarterback
If its before your time, heres a tidbit of info on Elway:
In the 1983 NFL Draft, Elway was selected as the first overall pick by the Baltimore Colts. Elway had, by then, played two summers of minor league baseball for the New York Yankees organization. Additionally, Elway had publicly stated that he refused to join the Colts organization, feeling the team could not allow him to be successful. If they did not trade him he said he was going to play baseball. Eventually, Colts owner Robert Irsay gave in. The Colts traded him to the Denver Broncos for QB Mark Herrmann, rights to OL Chris Hinton and a first-round pick (OG Ron Solt) in the 1984 NFL Draft on May 2, 1983. Elway is one of three quarterbacks in the history of the NFL Draft (started in 1936) to be drafted #1 and go on to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The other two are Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman.
Elway stormed into the mile-high air as one of the most highly anticipated athletes in the history of the NFL.
If its before your time, heres a tidbit of info on Elway:
In the 1983 NFL Draft, Elway was selected as the first overall pick by the Baltimore Colts. Elway had, by then, played two summers of minor league baseball for the New York Yankees organization. Additionally, Elway had publicly stated that he refused to join the Colts organization, feeling the team could not allow him to be successful. If they did not trade him he said he was going to play baseball. Eventually, Colts owner Robert Irsay gave in. The Colts traded him to the Denver Broncos for QB Mark Herrmann, rights to OL Chris Hinton and a first-round pick (OG Ron Solt) in the 1984 NFL Draft on May 2, 1983. Elway is one of three quarterbacks in the history of the NFL Draft (started in 1936) to be drafted #1 and go on to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The other two are Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman.
Elway stormed into the mile-high air as one of the most highly anticipated athletes in the history of the NFL.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Elway and Manning are two little biatches. They should have just sucked it up.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Eli's the first guy I thought of here, but also Elway and Peyton. Only reason people questioned whether Peyton was the best in his class was Leaf had the physical attributes and people like to be contrarian.
If you're making a list of best QB prospects, you pretty much have to limit the discussion to guys who went 1.01 overall. If a QB is near this level, there is no question he goes at the top, unlike other positions.
Looking at the list, I recall Eli, Palmer, Vick, Peyton, Bledsoe, George, Aikman, Kosar, and Elway being uber-hyped.
I wasn't following before that.
If you're making a list of best QB prospects, you pretty much have to limit the discussion to guys who went 1.01 overall. If a QB is near this level, there is no question he goes at the top, unlike other positions.
Looking at the list, I recall Eli, Palmer, Vick, Peyton, Bledsoe, George, Aikman, Kosar, and Elway being uber-hyped.
I wasn't following before that.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I remember a lot of people hating JaMarcus. No way he can be considered anywhere near the best prospect.
spider321
Footballguy
Exactly. This is true of at least 1 or 2 guys every year. Many of the posters around here seem to be either 5 years-old or have a severe case of alzheimer's.
gandalas
Footballguy
Yeah...I remember a LOT of hype about Bradford last year (deservedly so, it turns out...)
bulger2holt
Footballguy
I liked Bradford better than Luck. Bradford's shoulder injury was the concern.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
Mainly because his last name was Manning. He would have been a mid first rounder if his name was Eli Johnson.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I believe Bradford will be better than Luck. Bradford is on another level, IMO. Luck is slightly overrated, despite being a fine prospect. I'm not trashing him at all.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I don't think Brandt ever went that far. I think he said Bradford's pro day was one of the best he'd ever seen. But I don't think he called him "best QB prospect ever."
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Yes, everyone wanted to "catch lightining in a bottle" and get Peyton's little brother...but there were not the same "best ever" thoughts...maybe "safest ever" thoughts...and that is probably exactly what he was.On a side note, I am very curious what Rivers would have been touted as, if not for Eli. I am not a State fan (at all), but I could not take my eyes off the guy and always found myself rooting for him. Could you imagine if the Giants kept him and had Smith, Manningham and Nicks? Jocobs and Bradshaw could play into their 40s with the lack of wear and tear on their bodies!
Boston
Footballguy
From a prospect level I think some "experts" had an issue with his delivery...which obviously has been a non-issue.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I may be misremembering, but I think the Giants had Roethlisberger higher than Rivers, but picked Rivers because that's who San Diego wanted in a trade for Eli.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, there were a lot of questions about Rivers.If we are talking about best QB prospect ever, then I think we can dismiss guys that weren't even a shoo-in to be the best QB in their own class......Roethlisberger? No. Manning? No. Either one.Vick? No. He was a freak, and people talked about the possibilities of what he could do, but I definitely remember some negative stuff. I would say as a prospect he was close to McNair when he came out. More hyped because he played at VTech instead of Alcorn St., but McNair was a big deal when he was coming out as well. Elway, Palmer, Aikman. The big ones that I can remember. And two more names that people missed, but were as hyped as any of these other guys--Testaverde and Bartkowski.
