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Is Forsett an Ascendant Talent? (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter Bob Magaw
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I was desperate for WR help and offered him up a few weeks ago. Best offers I got were S Smith, Boldin, Garcon.
Might try again, but his perceived value seems to be lower than his actual value.
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
Same here, seems like the rest of my league likes him less than I do, which is surprising considering there are multiple Ravens fans. He's been very reliable and if he'd ever get more carries inside the 10 I actually think he'd push for top 5 RB numbers (close to that already but no bye yet), his yardage numbers have been good.
cstu
Footballguy
Can't get him for anywhere near that in my leagues, even from team that are out of contention.
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fredsavage
Footballguy
Looking great against the saints. Will be on many championship rosters. He's 29 but has a lot of gas left it seems and is absolutely key to the Ravens offense. Do they take Gordon In the draft and dump Forsett? Thoughts for dynasty?
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The Swanman
Footballguy
I traded a 1st (low as I was 9-1) for Forsett and a 2nd (high as that went is in the bottom 3rd of the league). I feel pretty confident in him going forward. Good RB2 behind Murray for me.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
I remember when this guy had a "sort of" breakout year with the Seahawks quite a while ago. I held on to him in a Keep 4 league, then he disappeared forever. Or almost forever.
Nice comeback kid!
Nice comeback kid!
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Can't believe how effective he's been.
steveski
Footballguy
I would have laughed at the time too. I would have been wrong though, just like I was for not putting in any claims for him. Just couldn't imagine an old journeyman like him actually getting and keeping the job from 2 younger guys that I thought were both more talented than him.
Exact same sentiment. Dropping a ton of FAAB on Forsett was like hitting on 17 when the dealer is showing a 6. Hitting that 4 must feel nice, but c'mon...
Before the Rice suspension we kept hearing about how Pierce was the most natural fit for the scheme and looked good in camp and there was a not insignificant amount of hype about Taliaferro. Forsett is a nice story and I'm happy for him, but given a parallel situation next year, I again won't be bidding on the 29 year old journeyman just as I won't be hitting on 17.
zamboni
Footballguy
Forsett's ascendance is the perfect example of talent meeting opportunity meeting system.
I don't think this guy all of a sudden became a world beater, but he does have some talent that fits well with the Kubiak system. And the strong Ravens' OL certainly is a big factor.
Most importantly for fantasy purposes, enjoy the ride.
I don't think this guy all of a sudden became a world beater, but he does have some talent that fits well with the Kubiak system. And the strong Ravens' OL certainly is a big factor.
Most importantly for fantasy purposes, enjoy the ride.
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
Remember Olandis Gary and Reuben Droughns ?
This is what Gary Kubiak's zone-blocking scheme can do to a RB....
This is what Gary Kubiak's zone-blocking scheme can do to a RB....
James Daulton
Footballguy
yup. Take a decent one-cut RB, mix in GK's system, sprinkle in a decent o-line, and you have the recipe for a good running game.
i drafted charles 2nd overall, then waited until late to snag sjax, mjd, and ingram. i was hurtin bad for a 2nd rb and forsett looked like he would fit the bill. i spent far less on him for my other teams, but this one in particular desperately needed a rb.
anyway, your analogy is pretty far off imo, as his odds were clearly far better than that. he was obv going to be the receiving back in a timeshare which is very worthwhile in ppr. and further, i got him for the whole season, rather than waiting on another rb to emerge, which may take weeks. ffpc team too, so the ww was pretty thing.
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
If people thought that Pierce was going to be anything that's their own fault. How many guys have ever been as bad as he was last year (and early this year) and come back to be anything?
He had a couple of nice games under Cam Cameron's super system that makes literally any RB look decent and that's it. The writing was on the wall with that guy.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Dude's in the assistant coach told me "NO" to a trade where I got Forsett and a 3rd round rookie pick for V-Jax in my dynasty back in week 6. I did it anyways. I now own a top 5 RB. I immediately learned to just make my own decisions regarding my personnel.
Still not sure how it all bodes in the long-term though...
Still not sure how it all bodes in the long-term though...
JohnnyU
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Forsett in ATL with Shanahan would be $$$
cstu
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
it's an accurate statement.I am really confused on how more people arent talking about forsett moving forward. He avgd over 5 ypc last year and caught 44 passes. Granted hes been on 6 different teams until now but he doesnt really have a lot mileage on him. Could he resurge at his current age like Fred Jackson did?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Fred Jackson is a historical outlier in regards to workload and performance at an advanced age.
However if Frank Gore holds up, Jackson might have some more company in that regard.
If Forsett does re-sign with the Ravens and he is utilized similarly to how Matt Forte was used with Trestman, he could be a very valuable RB to have in 2015. Possibly longer if does do well.
However if Frank Gore holds up, Jackson might have some more company in that regard.
If Forsett does re-sign with the Ravens and he is utilized similarly to how Matt Forte was used with Trestman, he could be a very valuable RB to have in 2015. Possibly longer if does do well.
i agree about fred. what I was saying was that the sample size of backs that I can remember where a guy with low mileage and in there 30s (or close to it) became a top rb is small. Only other one I can think of off the top of my head is Michael turner and he was serviceable for a couple of years and had a ridiculous amount of carries. Maybe forsett just needed somewhere to shine...
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have liked Forsett since he was a rookie prospect. So it isn't really a surprise to me that he did well. Just unusual for a RB to shine later on in their career as most of them have their best seasons in the early parts of it.
Thomas Jones and Priest Holmes are some examples of players who has better performance later on in their careers than early on. There may be a few other examples than these two.
Age has been the main thing ending RB careers and Forsett will be 30 years old October 14th. It isn't just the age but when a RB has a injury when they are older, it is harder for them to come back from it than an younger RB. But it is also teams being unwilling to risk counting on a older RB to be able to recover from those injuries as well. So from that perspective, the history is coupled with managerial decisions of teams as well.
With recent advances in medicine, and with the league moving more towards passing the ball than they did in the past. I do think veteran RB who can be trusted in pass protection and be more complete RB, perhaps the managerial perspective on that is shifting somewhat. I do think some RB may be capable of playing at a high level beyond 30 years old than they have gotten the opportunity to prove that.
Forsett has had a lot of injuries keeping him from playing time. I would not say the lower work load over his career thus far has any impact on him being able to play at a high level at an advanced age because of the workload. The last time I delved into this issue what I found the opposite to be true. More workload usually led to higher workloads in the future, not the other way around.
Thomas Jones and Priest Holmes are some examples of players who has better performance later on in their careers than early on. There may be a few other examples than these two.
Age has been the main thing ending RB careers and Forsett will be 30 years old October 14th. It isn't just the age but when a RB has a injury when they are older, it is harder for them to come back from it than an younger RB. But it is also teams being unwilling to risk counting on a older RB to be able to recover from those injuries as well. So from that perspective, the history is coupled with managerial decisions of teams as well.
With recent advances in medicine, and with the league moving more towards passing the ball than they did in the past. I do think veteran RB who can be trusted in pass protection and be more complete RB, perhaps the managerial perspective on that is shifting somewhat. I do think some RB may be capable of playing at a high level beyond 30 years old than they have gotten the opportunity to prove that.
Forsett has had a lot of injuries keeping him from playing time. I would not say the lower work load over his career thus far has any impact on him being able to play at a high level at an advanced age because of the workload. The last time I delved into this issue what I found the opposite to be true. More workload usually led to higher workloads in the future, not the other way around.
