To be fair he's also in a pass friendly offense with an elite QB. I really like Vernon Davis but Alex Smith obviously isnt Brady. Toss up but he's very good. And I agree.. Jimmy Graham is on his way to being elite.Only other guy in the discussion is Graham. Gronk's a great blocker / Graham's not. Therefore, yes Gronk is.
Same. Gronk's numbers put him among the top ten among all pass-catchers for fantasy so far this year. Through ten games, 805 yards and 10 touchdowns. Ten more points in my standard league than my WR1, Mike Wallace.Seriously going to consider keeping him over Andre Johnson next season in my Keep 2 league.
Yep. Plus, I'm sure most people drafted Gronk much later than their WR1. For instance, I drafted Gronk in the 9th, Andre 1st. Pretty easy decision, imo.Same. Gronk's numbers put him among the top ten among all pass-catchers for fantasy so far this year. Through ten games, 805 yards and 10 touchdowns. Ten more points in my standard league than my WR1, Mike Wallace.Seriously going to consider keeping him over Andre Johnson next season in my Keep 2 league.
Graham's easily on pace for more yards and catches, but Gronk should get the TD's.For what it's worth, Gronk is on pace for what the best statistical season by a TE ever. 1300 yds/16TDs.
Uh, easily?Graham's easily on pace for more yards and catches, but Gronk should get the TD's.For what it's worth, Gronk is on pace for what the best statistical season by a TE ever. 1300 yds/16TDs.
Yeah, that's like a whole game difference. You don't think that's significant?Doesn't mean I think Graham is the better player, I'm just saying if things keep pace Gronk's season can't be necessarily be called the "best ever."Uh, easily?He has 6 more catches and 68 more yards. If their "paces" hold up, Graham will only have 9 more catches & 109 more yards than Gronkowski.
with my Vernon Davis comment above I was obviously talking about real life. The others seem to be having a fantasy debate.Are we talking FF or real NFL?
Does it matter? He's tops for both if you ask me.Are we talking FF or real NFL?
Sure it's significant, but not nearly as significant as the 6 TD differential (based on their current "pace"); that's over 1/2 a season difference, not just a game. I personally feel those 2 are 1a and 1b, FF speaking, but that Gronkowski is the better NFL TE, based on his blocking ability.Yeah, that's like a whole game difference. You don't think that's significant?Doesn't mean I think Graham is the better player, I'm just saying if things keep pace Gronk's season can't be necessarily be called the "best ever."Uh, easily?He has 6 more catches and 68 more yards. If their "paces" hold up, Graham will only have 9 more catches & 109 more yards than Gronkowski.
How so?Graham has a slight edge in receptions & yardage, but he is far inferior with regards to red-zone (TDs) success. Furthermore, Gronkowski is a much better blocker than Graham. It seems to me that Gronkowski is better, NFL speaking.Jimmy Graham is the best, but it's very close.
It does for me.Does it matter? He's tops for both if you ask me.Are we talking FF or real NFL?
Add to this that Brady throws to his TE's more than his WR's. Who do the Pats have for a vertical threat? Ocho? Branch?Some of his success is benefiting from his situation, for sure. Not to take too much from Gronk, but I think you could plug in a handful of TE's in his spot and it'd be the same thing.To be fair he's also in a pass friendly offense with an elite QB. I really like Vernon Davis but Alex Smith obviously isnt Brady. Toss up but he's very good. And I agree.. Jimmy Graham is on his way to being elite.Only other guy in the discussion is Graham.
Gronk's a great blocker / Graham's not. Therefore, yes Gronk is.
You could say that about any skill position player.put him on Arizona and we'd barely know who he is
no you couldn'tLarry Fitzgerald's talent stands out no matter where he isYou could say that about any skill position player.put him on Arizona and we'd barely know who he is
What does this have to do with Arian Foster?It's clear all but 1-2 of you know who Vernon Davis is.Gronk, fantasy wise, is the beast of beasts. Davis, realistically, eats people like Graham and Gronk as protein bars.
Foster then eats the recycled waste as his source of carbohydrates.What does this have to do with Arian Foster?It's clear all but 1-2 of you know who Vernon Davis is.Gronk, fantasy wise, is the beast of beasts. Davis, realistically, eats people like Graham and Gronk as protein bars.
No, he would look like Reggie Wayne in Indy.no you couldn'tLarry Fitzgerald's talent stands out no matter where he isYou could say that about any skill position player.put him on Arizona and we'd barely know who he is
Cool based on what facts again?put him on Arizona and we'd barely know who he is
What? Foster eats ship?Foster then eats the recycled waste as his source of carbohydrates.What does this have to do with Arian Foster?It's clear all but 1-2 of you know who Vernon Davis is.Gronk, fantasy wise, is the beast of beasts. Davis, realistically, eats people like Graham and Gronk as protein bars.
You really need to watch him; the only "system" part about him is how he systematically destroys everyone who covers him and outjumps/runs through defenders/runs fast for TDs. Graham and Finley aren't even close to being as good of blockers and Gronk is just as good an athlete as those two (he's 6'6" 265 pounds and has the body of an Olympian).Believe me, if he was on the Packers or Saints he would be putting up similar or even better numbers as the Patriots also have the excellent Hernandez, Welker, and multitude of pass catching backs to feed.Very good but also a product of the system. Guys like Graham and Finley are just as good of TEs. If either were on that offense they would be just as productive I believe.Disclosure: haven't seen Gronk play that much, but I know enough to know that he is definitely benefiting from his situation.
Cool based on what facts again?put him on Arizona and we'd barely know who he is
But was the question an NFL all around TE question or a fantasy question? If a fantasy question I like Graham better, but they are close.Only other guy in the discussion is Graham. Gronk's a great blocker / Graham's not. Therefore, yes Gronk is.