Should the Tush Push play be banned? (1 Viewer)

[Pickle Rody]

If there is a modification or banning of this play by rule change I would hope there are very valid, reasonable and sane reasons/justifications from the NFL for doing so. I may or may not agree with said justifications but either way if there is a reasonable argument for said changes I won't complain.

Schefty has been known to be wrong on occasion.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Only if it is causing injury.
I saw Chris jones with a neck issue after the play. That could be a one off though. If no injury, keep it and let them dominate.

We’ll know later this week. Schefter seems to believe it’s impending.

Chris Jones lined up with his body laid out across the goal line. His "injury" was more about what he did, not the play.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Only if it is causing injury.
I saw Chris jones with a neck issue after the play. That could be a one off though. If no injury, keep it and let them dominate.

We’ll know later this week. Schefter seems to believe it’s impending.

Chris Jones lined up with his body laid out across the goal line. His "injury" was more about what he did, not the play.

I am not arguing one way or another. Let the players talk about if it increases injury chance. If not, then teams need to learn how to stop it, not ban it.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Only if it is causing injury.
I saw Chris jones with a neck issue after the play. That could be a one off though. If no injury, keep it and let them dominate.

We’ll know later this week. Schefter seems to believe it’s impending.

Chris Jones lined up with his body laid out across the goal line. His "injury" was more about what he did, not the play.

I am not arguing one way or another. Let the players talk about if it increases injury chance. If not, then teams need to learn how to stop it, not ban it.

My position is, it won't really affect the Eagles. They'll be able to convert regular QB sneaks rather easily.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

They'll be able to convert regular With Saquan rather easily.

FIFY

 

[steelcityman]

I just find it boring. But the limited minded announcers make it out to be some outrageous invention, like fire or the wheel.
I dont think pushing a player is a good thing. And that applies to all teams, on all plays. We've all seen plays where the runner is stood up at the 4 yard line and along comes 2 OL and ram him into the end zone. I just dont think thats right.

Sounds like it wont even be a close vote.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

some outrageous invention, like fire

Fire isn’t particularly outrageous.

 

[steelcityman]

If there is a modification or banning of this play by rule change I would hope there are very valid, reasonable and sane reasons/justifications from the NFL for doing so. I may or may not agree with said justifications but either way if there is a reasonable argument for said changes I won't complain.

Schefty has been known to be wrong on occasion.

Like 2 feet down for a catch, or once the knee touches ground the runner is down, or an xtra pt is worth 1, or holding is a 10 yard penalty?
If they say you cannot push, pull or assist any other player in possession of the ball in anyway. Its a rule, like the others.

some outrageous invention, like fire

Fire isn’t particularly outrageous.

tell that to the first person/people to discover it.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I'll say it again .....if they let the defense do the exact same thing behind the nose tackle.....then keep the tush push....but as it stands now, the defense can't do that behind the nose tackle....so get rid of it....

 

[Pipes]

For the ban. I'm old school and always hate when lineman aid the runner. It used to be a penalty and not sure when it changed.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

tell that to the first person/people to discover it.

It existed already. No one discovered it.

It was the “harnessing” that was the impressive part.

 

[Snotbubbles]

They'll be able to convert regular With Saquan rather easily.

FIFY

There's really no need for Hurts to turn around and hand the ball off to Barkley.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

They'll be able to convert regular With Saquan rather easily.

FIFY

There's really no need for Hurts to turn around and hand the ball off to Barkley.

I need it.

 

[Snotbubbles]

They'll be able to convert regular With Saquan rather easily.

FIFY

There's really no need for Hurts to turn around and hand the ball off to Barkley.

I need it.

Can't you just be happy with 2200 yards from scrimmage and 15 TDs? LOL

 

[oldmanhawkins]

They'll be able to convert regular With Saquan rather easily.

FIFY

There's really no need for Hurts to turn around and hand the ball off to Barkley.

I need it.

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Barkley an oddity in short yardage situations
Take from it what you will.

 

[Deamon]

Only if it is causing injury.
I saw Chris jones with a neck issue after the play. That could be a one off though. If no injury, keep it and let them dominate.

We’ll know later this week. Schefter seems to believe it’s impending.

Chris Jones lined up with his body laid out across the goal line. His "injury" was more about what he did, not the play.

I am not arguing one way or another. Let the players talk about if it increases injury chance. If not, then teams need to learn how to stop it, not ban it.

My position is, it won't really affect the Eagles. They'll be able to convert regular QB sneaks rather easily.

Yep. Can't wait for the Eagles to go 17-0, lose the Super Bowl in overtime and everyone say "see, they couldn't do it without the tush push"

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

BREAKING: The Packers' proposal to ban the tush push did not receive the required 75% support from the NFL's owners to pass, per source.

The tush push remains alive.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

fans of butt touching rejoice!

 

[Terpman22]

This is funny

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The final vote for the #Packers resolution to ban the Tush Push: 22-10. Philly hangs on.

Final score of the #Eagles win over the #Packers in the playoffs: 22-10. Philly hangs on.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Glad it wasn't banned. There is personnel to stop it, I don't personally believe it's a broken play I just don't think teams see it enough to have it practiced. If Philly wins another Super Bowl or even just has another dominating postseason run, I think that's enough sour grapes to squash it but happy to see everybody still playing nice.


However, I am equally fearful that the teams who voted against it plan to run it themselves... which as we all know, really exciting for the game of football.

I was hoping they'd ban it.

 

[need2know]

 

[Terpman22]

I'm really ready for some real variations to this this year. I think this is the year they really hit some big plays off of it.

 

[Football Jones]

The biggest chance of it being banned is if a bunch of teams start doing it. It's just not aesthetic from a fan standpoint.

Otherwise, it's not a difference-maker. Philly's success rate has fallen almost 10% since debating in 2022. I suspect it'll eventually go away or be a rare occurrence. It might not be inherently dangerous, but the first time a big-time player gets hurt running it, it'll start dying a slow death.

Unfortunately, it's gotten much more attention than it deserves. It's essentially much ado about nothing.

 

[ChiefD]

I'm really ready for some real variations to this this year. I think this is the year they really hit some big plays off of it.

Yeah for sure. Some big fat O-lineman on the end of the line is gonna end up with a 45 yard TD outta it when he spins off the line and he's wide open while everyone else is laying on the ground.

 

[Buckna]

I'm really ready for some real variations to this this year. I think this is the year they really hit some big plays off of it.

Yeah for sure. Some big fat O-lineman on the end of the line is gonna end up with a 45 yard TD outta it when he spins off the line and he's wide open while everyone else is laying on the ground.

As a Texans fan, it reminds me of roughly 10 years ago when they would line JJ Watt up as a TE and toss it to him in the endzone.

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[BladeRunner]

Glad it wasn't banned. There is personnel to stop it, I don't personally believe it's a broken play I just don't think teams see it enough to have it practiced. If Philly wins another Super Bowl or even just has another dominating postseason run, I think that's enough sour grapes to squash it but happy to see everybody still playing nice.


However, I am equally fearful that the teams who voted against it plan to run it themselves... which as we all know, really exciting for the game of football.

I was hoping they'd ban it.

It was a much tighter vote this time around. Looks like cheating will still be allowed this year. Hopefully next year they force the Eagles to actually work within the rules and spirit of the game.

 

[Ilov80s]

Glad it wasn't banned. There is personnel to stop it, I don't personally believe it's a broken play I just don't think teams see it enough to have it practiced. If Philly wins another Super Bowl or even just has another dominating postseason run, I think that's enough sour grapes to squash it but happy to see everybody still playing nice.


However, I am equally fearful that the teams who voted against it plan to run it themselves... which as we all know, really exciting for the game of football.

I was hoping they'd ban it.

It was a much tighter vote this time around. Looks like cheating will still be allowed this year. Hopefully next year they force the Eagles to actually work within the rules and spirit of the game.

How is it cheating if they voted on it and it’s been ruled a legal play??

 

[BladeRunner]

Glad it wasn't banned. There is personnel to stop it, I don't personally believe it's a broken play I just don't think teams see it enough to have it practiced. If Philly wins another Super Bowl or even just has another dominating postseason run, I think that's enough sour grapes to squash it but happy to see everybody still playing nice.


However, I am equally fearful that the teams who voted against it plan to run it themselves... which as we all know, really exciting for the game of football.

I was hoping they'd ban it.

It was a much tighter vote this time around. Looks like cheating will still be allowed this year. Hopefully next year they force the Eagles to actually work within the rules and spirit of the game.

How is it cheating if they voted on it and it’s been ruled a legal play??

Because they don't allow the DEF to do the same. It's a cheat-code for the OFF.

 

[Ilov80s]

Glad it wasn't banned. There is personnel to stop it, I don't personally believe it's a broken play I just don't think teams see it enough to have it practiced. If Philly wins another Super Bowl or even just has another dominating postseason run, I think that's enough sour grapes to squash it but happy to see everybody still playing nice.


However, I am equally fearful that the teams who voted against it plan to run it themselves... which as we all know, really exciting for the game of football.

I was hoping they'd ban it.

It was a much tighter vote this time around. Looks like cheating will still be allowed this year. Hopefully next year they force the Eagles to actually work within the rules and spirit of the game.

How is it cheating if they voted on it and it’s been ruled a legal play??

Because they don't allow the DEF to do the same. It's a cheat-code for the OFF.

Welcome to modern football. Just because the offense can do it and defense can’t doesn’t make it cheating.

 

[Gally]

Yes, but not because it is unfair or dangerous. It is just an annoying play I don't want to see and I don't care who is good at it or bad at it.

Wow.....this may be the first time we are in complete agreement...hahaha

 

[Ilov80s]

I love how people want to ban a play from sports because it’s annoying. Is a FB dive or QB sneak annoying too? Maybe a new rule you have to pass every play.

 

[Gally]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

 

[Ilov80s]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

 

[ghostguy123]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It doesn't appear to give a whole lot of teams that advantage

 

[Gally]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

 

[Gally]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It doesn't appear to give a whole lot of teams that advantage

not yet. I don't think other teams have really tried yet. When I have seen other teams attempt it they are not in unison or as crisp. To me that is lack of practice and attention to detail. i just don't think they are taking it as serious......yet. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

 

[Ilov80s]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

 

[Terpman22]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

Just for the heck of it I looked it up. The game evolved from a combo of soccer and *drumroll* rugby

American football - Wikipedia

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[Gally]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

Just for the heck of it I looked it up. The game evolved from a combo of soccer and *drumroll* rugby

American football - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course.......but the game has...............evolved

 

[Gally]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

Having extra people push from behind (something that used to be illegal) is the aspect I am referring to.

 

[Gatorade]

If the offense can push from behind, the defense should be able to push also

 

[BladeRunner]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

 

[Ilov80s]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

Just for the heck of it I looked it up. The game evolved from a combo of soccer and *drumroll* rugby

American football - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course.......but the game has...............evolved

Yeah obviously and the tush push is an evolution of the QB sneak that pays tribute to the roots of the game. Like hard rock bands digging into the sounds of the delta blues.

 

[BladeRunner]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

Just for the heck of it I looked it up. The game evolved from a combo of soccer and *drumroll* rugby

American football - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course.......but the game has...............evolved

Yeah obviously and the tush push is an evolution of the QB sneak that pays tribute to the roots of the game. Like hard rock bands digging into the sounds of the delta blues.

Getting a forward assist over the goal line is NOT, nor has it ever been, in the spirit of the game. Not at all. Not even close.

IF that was the case, why wouldn't some OFF lineman just pick up the QB and throw him over?

 

[Ilov80s]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

 

[Ilov80s]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

Just for the heck of it I looked it up. The game evolved from a combo of soccer and *drumroll* rugby

American football - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course.......but the game has...............evolved

Yeah obviously and the tush push is an evolution of the QB sneak that pays tribute to the roots of the game. Like hard rock bands digging into the sounds of the delta blues.

Getting a forward assist over the goal line is NOT, nor has it ever been, in the spirit of the game. Not at all. Not even close.

IF that was the case, why wouldn't some OFF lineman just pick up the QB and throw him over?

how far do you think a OL can throw a 6’3 210 pound man in the midst of a football play? I think physics is what’s preventing that from happening. Also people saying it’s not a football play, the Lions do tush push like actions every game. If Gibbs or Amon Ra has the ball and is being held up by a gang of defenders then Sewell or Ragnow will push the Lion forward.

 

[BladeRunner]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

Just for the heck of it I looked it up. The game evolved from a combo of soccer and *drumroll* rugby

American football - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course.......but the game has...............evolved

Yeah obviously and the tush push is an evolution of the QB sneak that pays tribute to the roots of the game. Like hard rock bands digging into the sounds of the delta blues.

Getting a forward assist over the goal line is NOT, nor has it ever been, in the spirit of the game. Not at all. Not even close.

IF that was the case, why wouldn't some OFF lineman just pick up the QB and throw him over?

how far do you think a OL can throw a 6’3 210 pound man in the midst of a football play? I think physics is what’s preventing that from happening. Also people saying it’s not a football play, the Lions do tush push like actions every game. If Gibbs or Amon Ra has the ball and is being held up by a gang of defenders then Sewell or Ragnow will push the Lion forward.

not everyone is 6'3 210 lbs. Just hand the ball to the smallest guy and have 3 of the OFF lineman throw him over. Is your contention teams don't do that simply because they wouldn't have time to do it? But it's otherwise "legal" and "in the spirit of the game"?

 

[Ilov80s]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

Just for the heck of it I looked it up. The game evolved from a combo of soccer and *drumroll* rugby

American football - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course.......but the game has...............evolved

Yeah obviously and the tush push is an evolution of the QB sneak that pays tribute to the roots of the game. Like hard rock bands digging into the sounds of the delta blues.

Getting a forward assist over the goal line is NOT, nor has it ever been, in the spirit of the game. Not at all. Not even close.

IF that was the case, why wouldn't some OFF lineman just pick up the QB and throw him over?

how far do you think a OL can throw a 6’3 210 pound man in the midst of a football play? I think physics is what’s preventing that from happening. Also people saying it’s not a football play, the Lions do tush push like actions every game. If Gibbs or Amon Ra has the ball and is being held up by a gang of defenders then Sewell or Ragnow will push the Lion forward.

not everyone is 6'3 210 lbs. Just hand the ball to the smallest guy and have 3 of the OFF lineman throw him over. Is your contention teams don't do that simply because they wouldn't have time to do it? But it's otherwise "legal" and "in the spirit of the game"?

I know there’s lot of pushing in the game. There’s no throwing people in the game so it automatically seems outside what we usually see in football. But it’s also insane to think a tiny man could be thrown over the GL. If he’s so small defenses could knock him back.

 

[BoltNlava]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

Just for the heck of it I looked it up. The game evolved from a combo of soccer and *drumroll* rugby

American football - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course.......but the game has...............evolved

Yeah obviously and the tush push is an evolution of the QB sneak that pays tribute to the roots of the game. Like hard rock bands digging into the sounds of the delta blues.

Getting a forward assist over the goal line is NOT, nor has it ever been, in the spirit of the game. Not at all. Not even close.

IF that was the case, why wouldn't some OFF lineman just pick up the QB and throw him over?

how far do you think a OL can throw a 6’3 210 pound man in the midst of a football play? I think physics is what’s preventing that from happening. Also people saying it’s not a football play, the Lions do tush push like actions every game. If Gibbs or Amon Ra has the ball and is being held up by a gang of defenders then Sewell or Ragnow will push the Lion forward.

not everyone is 6'3 210 lbs. Just hand the ball to the smallest guy and have 3 of the OFF lineman throw him over. Is your contention teams don't do that simply because they wouldn't have time to do it? But it's otherwise "legal" and "in the spirit of the game"?

I know there’s lot of pushing in the game. There’s no throwing people in the game so it automatically seems outside what we usually see in football. But it’s also insane to think a tiny man could be thrown over the GL. If he’s so small defenses could knock him back.

You mean like Volleyball? I'd like to see that!