Should the Tush Push play be banned? (1 Viewer)

[BladeRunner]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

Just for the heck of it I looked it up. The game evolved from a combo of soccer and *drumroll* rugby

American football - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course.......but the game has...............evolved

Yeah obviously and the tush push is an evolution of the QB sneak that pays tribute to the roots of the game. Like hard rock bands digging into the sounds of the delta blues.

Getting a forward assist over the goal line is NOT, nor has it ever been, in the spirit of the game. Not at all. Not even close.

IF that was the case, why wouldn't some OFF lineman just pick up the QB and throw him over?

how far do you think a OL can throw a 6’3 210 pound man in the midst of a football play? I think physics is what’s preventing that from happening. Also people saying it’s not a football play, the Lions do tush push like actions every game. If Gibbs or Amon Ra has the ball and is being held up by a gang of defenders then Sewell or Ragnow will push the Lion forward.

not everyone is 6'3 210 lbs. Just hand the ball to the smallest guy and have 3 of the OFF lineman throw him over. Is your contention teams don't do that simply because they wouldn't have time to do it? But it's otherwise "legal" and "in the spirit of the game"?

I know there’s lot of pushing in the game. There’s no throwing people in the game so it automatically seems outside what we usually see in football. But it’s also insane to think a tiny man could be thrown over the GL. If he’s so small defenses could knock him back.

You mean like Volleyball? I'd like to see that!

I actually may have inadvertently come up with another Eagles play! TBH, I might like to see that too.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

"Any play that's out of the ordinary gets extra scrutiny because of the competition," Jones told Fowler. "That's the fun part of having these meetings, and here we are -- the world champion is the main focus of the tush push, and here we are debating it and having to decide, 'Am I really against the tush push or do I just want Philadelphia to [not] have an edge?' And I sit there and fight that, too."

well said, jerry.

 

[Ilov80s]

Hey since we are trying to be fair, we agree only one defender should be allowed to engage the ball carrier at a time? No gang tackling.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

why can't the defense do what the offense does....?

 

[Ilov80s]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

why can't the defense do what the offense does....?

The offense and defense have different rules. There’s a lot of rule differences between the offense and defense.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

Yes, but not because it is unfair or dangerous. It is just an annoying play I don't want to see and I don't care who is good at it or bad at it.

Wow.....this may be the first time we are in complete agreement...hahaha

Would you rather see a punt? I can't be the only one who as a kid would lose my **** every time my team would punt on 4th and 1.

 

[msudaisy26]

Yes, but not because it is unfair or dangerous. It is just an annoying play I don't want to see and I don't care who is good at it or bad at it.

Wow.....this may be the first time we are in complete agreement...hahaha

Would you rather see a punt? I can't be the only one who as a kid would lose my **** every time my team would punt on 4th and 1.

Is the tush push the only play allowed to be run on 4th and 1?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

why can't the defense do what the offense does....?

The offense and defense have different rules. There’s a lot of rule differences between the offense and defense.

I know but why can't they do this particular thing....I'll hang up and listen...

 

[Dez]

Detroit plays Philly this year the only team that did not vote to ban it that plays them is what I heard.

Only needed 2 more teams you dummies.

 

[Ilov80s]

Detroit plays Philly this year the only team that did not vote to ban it that plays them is what I heard.

Only needed 2 more teams you dummies.

The Lions use the tush push concept all the time just with RBs instead of QBs. Why would they ban it? Sewell is out there pushing Gibbs and Monty all the time.

 

[Ilov80s]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

why can't the defense do what the offense does....?

The offense and defense have different rules. There’s a lot of rule differences between the offense and defense.

I know but why can't they do this particular thing....I'll hang up and listen...

Why can’t the offense put 11 guys on the LOS?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

why can't the defense do what the offense does....?

The offense and defense have different rules. There’s a lot of rule differences between the offense and defense.

I know but why can't they do this particular thing....I'll hang up and listen...

Why can’t the offense put 11 guys on the LOS?

cause they would get a delay of game every play

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

why can't the defense do what the offense does....?

The offense and defense have different rules. There’s a lot of rule differences between the offense and defense.

I know but why can't they do this particular thing....I'll hang up and listen...

Why can’t the offense put 11 guys on the LOS?

But to answer your question for real…they can have 10 if they want…you would just need somebody to snap it to…

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

why can't the defense do what the offense does....?

The offense and defense have different rules. There’s a lot of rule differences between the offense and defense.

I know but why can't they do this particular thing....I'll hang up and listen...

Why can’t the offense put 11 guys on the LOS?

Still waiting on why defense can’t tush push the nose tackle…

 

[Uruk-Hai]

All threads on this subject should be closed. I'm getting PTSD flashbacks from the PSF.

The NFL ratified that's it's a legal play.

Ask the NFL rules committee why defenses can't do it, not FF posters in the Shark Pool.

"Cheating" is not the same as "cheat code" (this play is neither). Some posters seem to have issues separating the two.

 

[Mitchie]

All threads on this subject should be closed. I'm getting PTSD flashbacks from the PSF.

The NFL ratified that's it's a legal play.

Ask the NFL rules committee why defenses can't do it, not FF posters in the Shark Pool.

"Cheating" is not the same as "cheat code" (this play is neither). Some posters seem to have issues separating the two.

it's only one or two posters saying that, you can just put them on ignore if you want.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Almost 70% of teams voted to have this stupid play banned. Oh well. Hopefully this leads to plays with 10 absolute monster OL slowly carrying 1 little guy down the field
I’m sure that will be exciting football

 

[Terpman22]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

why can't the defense do what the offense does....?

The offense and defense have different rules. There’s a lot of rule differences between the offense and defense.

I know but why can't they do this particular thing....I'll hang up and listen...

Why can’t the offense put 11 guys on the LOS?

Still waiting on why defense can’t tush push the nose tackle…

Its against the rules lol

 

[Terpman22]

Almost 70% of teams voted to have this stupid play banned. Oh well. Hopefully this leads to plays with 10 absolute monster OL slowly carrying 1 little guy down the field
I’m sure that will be exciting football

Its run 50x a year by the team that runs it the most which is like what 5% or something?

 

[Ilov80s]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

why can't the defense do what the offense does....?

The offense and defense have different rules. There’s a lot of rule differences between the offense and defense.

I know but why can't they do this particular thing....I'll hang up and listen...

Why can’t the offense put 11 guys on the LOS?

Still waiting on why defense can’t tush push the nose tackle…

Its against the rules lol

Pretty simple. Defense can 0 players on the LOS, the offense has to have at least 5. Why? It’s just the rules.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Almost 70% of teams voted to have this stupid play banned. Oh well. Hopefully this leads to plays with 10 absolute monster OL slowly carrying 1 little guy down the field
I’m sure that will be exciting football

It'll probably happen.
Just like banning the hip drop stopped defenders from tackling. And banning landing full weight on a QB resulted in two hand touch. And banning lowering the helmet led to skirts. And...

 

[Terpman22]

Almost 70% of teams voted to have this stupid play banned. Oh well. Hopefully this leads to plays with 10 absolute monster OL slowly carrying 1 little guy down the field
I’m sure that will be exciting football

It'll probably happen.
Just like banning the hip drop stopped defenders from tackling. And banning landing full weight on a QB resulted in two hand touch. And banning lowering the helmet led to skirts. And...

Along with the horse collar. The difference is all of these rules had obvious data AND film showing how this is *actually/truly* a player safety issue.

As of now, the Tush Push has neither film nor data. And I"m not talking about Chris Jones lining up SIDEWAYS he does that on any defensive play he's gonna increase his odds at getting hurt.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Almost 70% of teams voted to have this stupid play banned. Oh well. Hopefully this leads to plays with 10 absolute monster OL slowly carrying 1 little guy down the field
I’m sure that will be exciting football

It'll probably happen.
Just like banning the hip drop stopped defenders from tackling. And banning landing full weight on a QB resulted in two hand touch. And banning lowering the helmet led to skirts. And...

Along with the horse collar. The difference is all of these rules had obvious data AND film showing how this is *actually/truly* a player safety issue.

As of now, the Tush Push has neither film nor data. And I"m not talking about Chris Jones lining up SIDEWAYS he does that on any defensive play he's gonna increase his odds at getting hurt.

Yup. The only" reason" to ban it is because it's a competitive advantage for one team in the league. That's no reason at all.

I'm just pointing out that this is this year's "sky is falling" discussion topic.

 

[Terpman22]

Almost 70% of teams voted to have this stupid play banned. Oh well. Hopefully this leads to plays with 10 absolute monster OL slowly carrying 1 little guy down the field
I’m sure that will be exciting football

It'll probably happen.
Just like banning the hip drop stopped defenders from tackling. And banning landing full weight on a QB resulted in two hand touch. And banning lowering the helmet led to skirts. And...

Along with the horse collar. The difference is all of these rules had obvious data AND film showing how this is *actually/truly* a player safety issue.

As of now, the Tush Push has neither film nor data. And I"m not talking about Chris Jones lining up SIDEWAYS he does that on any defensive play he's gonna increase his odds at getting hurt.

Yup. The only" reason" to ban it is because it's a competitive advantage for one team in the league. That's no reason at all.

I'm just pointing out that this is this year's "sky is falling" discussion topic.

Oh I see. - apologes, Yeah I think a few years ago "lowering the crown" rule by a running back was about to make football obsolete

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Almost 70% of teams voted to have this stupid play banned. Oh well. Hopefully this leads to plays with 10 absolute monster OL slowly carrying 1 little guy down the field
I’m sure that will be exciting football

It’s a slippery slope for sure. People are going to want to marry their dogs soon.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

All threads on this subject should be closed. I'm getting PTSD flashbacks from the PSF.

The NFL ratified that's it's a legal play.

Ask the NFL rules committee why defenses can't do it, not FF posters in the Shark Pool.

"Cheating" is not the same as "cheat code" (this play is neither). Some posters seem to have issues separating the two.

is somebody holding a gun to your head forcing you to click on this topic and read all the posts.....?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

All threads on this subject should be closed. I'm getting PTSD flashbacks from the PSF.

The NFL ratified that's it's a legal play.

Ask the NFL rules committee why defenses can't do it, not FF posters in the Shark Pool.

"Cheating" is not the same as "cheat code" (this play is neither). Some posters seem to have issues separating the two.

is somebody holding a gun to your head forcing you to click on this topic and read all the posts.....?

Yes. Send in a SWAT team to save me, please.

You're asking questions about rules here that are legit. I don't like this play, either. But it's legal for the offense and (supposedly) not for the defense. Get the rules changed. For now, it's a legal play.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

why can't the defense do what the offense does....?

The offense and defense have different rules. There’s a lot of rule differences between the offense and defense.

I know but why can't they do this particular thing....I'll hang up and listen...

Why can’t the offense put 11 guys on the LOS?

But to answer your question for real…they can have 10 if they want…you would just need somebody to snap it to…

What? Lol. That’s the real answer? Lol

 

[Ilov80s]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

why can't the defense do what the offense does....?

The offense and defense have different rules. There’s a lot of rule differences between the offense and defense.

I know but why can't they do this particular thing....I'll hang up and listen...

Why can’t the offense put 11 guys on the LOS?

But to answer your question for real…they can have 10 if they want…you would just need somebody to snap it to…

What? Lol. That’s the real answer? Lol

lol yeah that was totally dumb and backwards of what I meant to even be saying haha. Why do they have to have 7 guys on the LOS should have been what I said if I wasn’t being dumb.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

All threads on this subject should be closed. I'm getting PTSD flashbacks from the PSF.

The NFL ratified that's it's a legal play.

Ask the NFL rules committee why defenses can't do it, not FF posters in the Shark Pool.

"Cheating" is not the same as "cheat code" (this play is neither). Some posters seem to have issues separating the two.

It’s more of a snap shot into what people have become over the years. People need to examine their motivations when faced with facts and what continues to drive them after being faced with them.

Imagine seeing the stat below and having an argument against it

The Eagles had a 100% rate on the QB sneak in 2017 -- they won the Super Bowl.

They had a 91.9% conversion rate on the QB sneak in 2021.

91.3% on the "tush push" from 2022-2024.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It doesn't appear to give a whole lot of teams that advantage

not yet. I don't think other teams have really tried yet. When I have seen other teams attempt it they are not in unison or as crisp. To me that is lack of practice and attention to detail. i just don't think they are taking it as serious......yet. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

It's only been around for 3 seasons now, what are teams waiting for?

 

[Snotbubbles]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

Just for the heck of it I looked it up. The game evolved from a combo of soccer and *drumroll* rugby

American football - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course.......but the game has...............evolved

Yeah obviously and the tush push is an evolution of the QB sneak that pays tribute to the roots of the game. Like hard rock bands digging into the sounds of the delta blues.

Getting a forward assist over the goal line is NOT, nor has it ever been, in the spirit of the game. Not at all. Not even close.

IF that was the case, why wouldn't some OFF lineman just pick up the QB and throw him over?

how far do you think a OL can throw a 6’3 210 pound man in the midst of a football play? I think physics is what’s preventing that from happening. Also people saying it’s not a football play, the Lions do tush push like actions every game. If Gibbs or Amon Ra has the ball and is being held up by a gang of defenders then Sewell or Ragnow will push the Lion forward.

not everyone is 6'3 210 lbs. Just hand the ball to the smallest guy and have 3 of the OFF lineman throw him over. Is your contention teams don't do that simply because they wouldn't have time to do it? But it's otherwise "legal" and "in the spirit of the game"?

Would you say execution of the "toss the guy" play is easier or harder than just doing the tush push?

 

[Snotbubbles]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It’s not a scrum. No arms are interlocked and the ball is being carried by someone, it’s not up for grabs. Not sure why you say it’s not a football play when it’s a play done by football teams within the rules of football.

sorry i should have said "scrum". Having multiple players push from behind is not in the spirit of a football play. Like I said, if no other team studies it enough to master it and it's solely and Eagles thing have at it. They deserve it. I believe in the copy-cat what works world it will eventually be perfected by more teams and I do believe it gives the offense an unfair advantage in a short yardage situation.

How is pushing people and running up the gut not in the spirit of football? Does it give the offense an advantage? Sure but is the goal of football rules to keep the offense and defense even? Absolutely not and especially not recently. Scoring is encouraged. I watch the play and it sure looks like football to me.

I think you're taking a very, let's say, obtuse or willful ignorance of the context of the argument here, playing this off as "just a bunch of guys pushing each other". I think you know there is more to this than that and people are literally talking about the difference with this play. It's a literal cheat-code for the OFF that the DEF does not have.

I’m not being obtuse. It’s not cheating. Both teams are allowed to do it. It’s not like the Eagles are doing it and other teams are being penalized for trying it. The defense is allowed to put all 11 guys on the LOS if they want. The offense can’t do that. Is that cheating too?

why can't the defense do what the offense does....?

The offense and defense have different rules. There’s a lot of rule differences between the offense and defense.

I know but why can't they do this particular thing....I'll hang up and listen...

Why can’t the offense put 11 guys on the LOS?

Still waiting on why defense can’t tush push the nose tackle…

The simplest reason is the most obvious . . . because that's what the league wants.

 

[JohnnyU]

Now that this isn’t going to be banned, that probably means many more posts on the subject. Can we get it down to one tush push thread?

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Now that this isn’t going to be banned, that probably means many more posts on the subject. Can we get it down to one tush push thread?

We took a vote. Need 24 yes votes and only got 22.

I don’t know who’s wet dream it is to have several threads, but Riger Goodell is furious and Troy Vincent is clutching his pearls.

 

[JohnnyU]

Now that the banning of this play has failed, should they now allow a defensive player to climb the back of his lineman to block a field goal attempt?

 

[Gally]

Yes it is, but why does it annoy you? It can’t be the amount of time it takes—they’re on the clock.

Is it aesthetics, then? Or is it because of the automatic nature of the result? Or does the formation and subsequent movement annoy you?

I’m curious because I’m trying to think of what is annoying about it and it’s probably one of those three things. My contention is that aside from aesthetics the other two reasons should give you pause when you say, in effect, “It annoys me, so you should ban it.”

Just a thought.

It annoys me because it is a scrum and not a football play. I also think that it gives the offense a big advantage for a yard or two needed to gain. I don't think other teams have studied it enough to be as good as the Eagles but i do think the longer it is allowed that it will eventually get there. Knowing the snap count and being able to deliver a blow with a bigger than normal mass pushing in unison is a huge advantage IMO. Once other teams start to figure it out it will become even more annoying.

(or I could be wrong and the Eagles are the only team to master it. If that is the case leave it in and let them have their fun. They deserve it).

It doesn't appear to give a whole lot of teams that advantage

not yet. I don't think other teams have really tried yet. When I have seen other teams attempt it they are not in unison or as crisp. To me that is lack of practice and attention to detail. i just don't think they are taking it as serious......yet. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

It's only been around for 3 seasons now, what are teams waiting for?

They don't do it because they keep thinking it will get banned....hahahaa

 

[Biabreakable]

We need another thread about this nothingburger I think.

 

[JohnnyU]

I remember when these types of things were acted on quickly. Not sure I understand why there is such a need for so many of them. Obviously I’m missing something. I’ll excuse myself now.

 

[Deamon]

I remember when these types of things were acted on quickly. Not sure I understand why there is such a need for so many of them. Obviously I’m missing something. I’ll excuse myself now.

A lot of these threads are being created by, and are coming from the top.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I remember when these types of things were acted on quickly. Not sure I understand why there is such a need for so many of them. Obviously I’m missing something. I’ll excuse myself now.

A lot of these threads are being created by, and are coming from the top.

1 = a lot?

 

[Joe Bryant]

I remember when these types of things were acted on quickly. Not sure I understand why there is such a need for so many of them. Obviously I’m missing something. I’ll excuse myself now.

A lot of these threads are being created by, and are coming from the top.

1 = a lot?

Thank you.

There's a thread I started with a poll that was relevant when lots of people were talking about this.

Then the Eagles Thread folks changed their title to make it about Tush Push.

Seems about right given how popular the topic is.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I remember when these types of things were acted on quickly. Not sure I understand why there is such a need for so many of them. Obviously I’m missing something. I’ll excuse myself now.

Remember what was acted on?

 

[Deamon]

I remember when these types of things were acted on quickly. Not sure I understand why there is such a need for so many of them. Obviously I’m missing something. I’ll excuse myself now.

A lot of these threads are being created by, and are coming from the top.

1 = a lot?

Thank you.

There's a thread I started with a poll that was relevant when lots of people were talking about this.

Then the Eagles Thread folks changed their title to make it about Tush Push.

Seems about right given how popular the topic is.

 

[JohnnyU]

I remember when these types of things were acted on quickly. Not sure I understand why there is such a need for so many of them. Obviously I’m missing something. I’ll excuse myself now.

Remember what was acted on?

Merged threads.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I remember when these types of things were acted on quickly. Not sure I understand why there is such a need for so many of them. Obviously I’m missing something. I’ll excuse myself now.

Remember what was acted on?

Merged threads.

I'm not going to merge a poll thread with the Team Thread or another longer running discussion thread. We've never done that here. Ever. You didn't miss anything. That's something we've never done and will not start now.

 

[Biabreakable]

My poll was funnier.

 

[JohnnyU]

I remember when these types of things were acted on quickly. Not sure I understand why there is such a need for so many of them. Obviously I’m missing something. I’ll excuse myself now.

Remember what was acted on?

Merged threads.

I'm not going to merge a poll thread with the Team Thread or another longer running discussion thread. We've never done that here. Ever. You didn't miss anything. That's something we've never done and will not start now.

:sigh: OK, whatever you think is best.

 

[Joe Bryant]

My poll was funnier.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I remember when these types of things were acted on quickly. Not sure I understand why there is such a need for so many of them. Obviously I’m missing something. I’ll excuse myself now.

Remember what was acted on?

Merged threads.

I'm not going to merge a poll thread with the Team Thread or another longer running discussion thread. We've never done that here. Ever. You didn't miss anything. That's something we've never done and will not start now.

:sigh: OK, whatever you think is best.

Thanks. I think we do a pretty good job overall of keeping the board moving along. Part of it's I'm sure is it's May and the news is a little quiet. Will pick up soon I'm sure.