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Is Marshawn Lynch a HOFer? (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Nope.
rockaction
Footballguy
Close. Voted "yes" to be a contrarian. It'll be a shame if this guy retires now. He was the best I've ever seen in terms of strength and agility. I'll miss him.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
lol, sure.
is this even a debate? The man never led the league in rushing or any other significant stat except rushing TDs, twice. He has fewer rushing yards than Corey Dillon, Jamal Lewis, Eddie George, Ahman Green... two seasons over 1300 rushing yards, three seasons over 1500 total yards, six seasons where he was even relevant.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The argument for Beast Mode (which to me is pretty much weak sauce) is that he turned around a franchise. Some people want to say that the Seahawks became a smash mouth team and only started winning games in bunches when he came to town. He WAS their offense in the SB winning season. I guess they are forgetting that the defense was what carried the team. Some of the same people would argue that they didn't fare as well this year because he got hurt. Again, I just don't see it, but I have heard talk of this every single day since he announced his retirement (and who knows if that will stick).
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Marshawn Lynch is best known for the one time he didn't carry the ball.
So no.
So no.
rockaction
Footballguy
Not by people who watch football. He's best known for starting an earthquake for his run against NO, IK.
stratocatter
Footballguy
That one run is HOF worthy. Or the tackling was hall of shame, lol. But it was great. Career? No way.
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
PFR's Approximate Value is far from perfect, I grant you, but it gives Lynch a career AV of 80, which places him 63rd all-time.
Among running backs!
There are guys ranked higher than 63rd overall who aren't even in the HoF. Not to mention about 15-20 RBs I could rattle off who are more deserving and won't ever get in.
Buy a ticket, Marshawn.
Among running backs!
There are guys ranked higher than 63rd overall who aren't even in the HoF. Not to mention about 15-20 RBs I could rattle off who are more deserving and won't ever get in.
Buy a ticket, Marshawn.
CalBear
Footballguy
He's got some cred for being such a physical specimen and so fun to watch. The playoff run is among the top two or three all-time. Because of that, he gets extra points relative to someone like Corey Dillon or Curtis Martin who were consistent but not spectacular players.
But even so, I don't think he did enough.
But even so, I don't think he did enough.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I do agree that he was one of the most impressive backs to watch physically. Probably he and AP were the most impressive to watch of this recent era. But he just doesn't have the career resume for the hall of fame.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
You can't tell the story of the NFL without Marshawn Lynch........................
Koya
Footballguy
You are right. As such, we should make sure he is represented in the HoF. At LEAST a couple mentions about super bowl performance and a short phase of a runner who was fun to watch and really good for a bit called Beast Mode.
There, that's about all the hall needs to do on this front.
To play devil's advocate, he was relevant 100% of the time he played. He got 250 carries in 6 seasons and produced in 6 seasons (he's not doing himself any favors by quitting probably 2 years early). I get that people like to look at aggregate stats for HoF, but I'm just saying when he played, he was great. And yes, even his season by season numbers need some context. He was never in a high powered offense. Buffalo was atrocious and Seattle never moved the ball a whole lot. I think the closest he came was 2014 when they were 9th in yards (and to put in perspective just how much they rode him, they were 6th from last in passing yards that year). His best season from a rushing standpoint was 2012 when they ranked 17th in yards (again 27th in passing). I don't think he's EVER played on a team that ranked in the top half of the league in passing yards. Sure, Peterson, a definite HoF'er has also had to do it without a passing attack for most (not all) of his career, but AP can't block, can't catch, and fumbles too much (fumbled away the NFC championship game no less).
IMO, Lynch is a lot like Steve Jackson. Unheralded because people don't take into account how bad/mediocre the offenses were that they played in and people don't give them credit for being excellent in other phases of the game besides rushing. They were both 3 down backs with great hands. Lynch would've been awesome in a Cam Cameron or Mark Trestman offense, but that didn't happen.
As a pure football player, he was definitely one of the best any of us will ever witness but I understand the HoF is a lot like the Heisman. You've got to be in the right place at the right time, which Lynch and SJax were not. Additionally, you need to compile, which Lynch has not, thanks to wearing out his welcome in Buffalo and retiring early.
FUBAR
Footballguy
How many HoF runningbacks were relegated to backup duty behind journeymen during the prime of their careers?
I think this squarely addresses Lynch's HoF credentials, unless there were other such cases. None come to mind.
I guess you are not familiar with the quality career Fred Jackson ended up having? And you are willing to ignore the fact that performance/ability was not actually the reason Lynch was benched?
CalBear
Footballguy
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
He's no Ahman Green.
FUBAR
Footballguy
He did play. PFR actually gives him credit for starting 20 games over those two years, with a grand total of 1511 total yards and 8 TDs in 29 games.
But hey, if you want to argue Lynch is a HOFer because he wasn't better than Fred Jackson, have at it.
Ok, bury your head in the sand and pretend like the environment in Buffalo was normal rather than highly dysfunctional. 12 of those starts were in Seattle in one season (his 30th game in that span was 19/131/1 in an upset playoff win vs. the 11-5 Saints.). I recall him getting auditioned for the trade block in Buffalo, so maybe that's where some of the starts in Buffalo came from.FUBAR said:
But maybe you're right, he just totally declined and became mediocre for his 3rd and 4th years in the league and then magically came back to life
I'm not saying he didn't do it to himself, but he was a great RB when he played.
FUBAR
Footballguy
I didn't argue any of that and you're right that Buffalo was (is?) not the ideal team. But your assertion, "he was relevant 100% of the time he played" is simply wrong.Ok, bury your head in the sand and pretend like the environment in Buffalo was normal rather than highly dysfunctional. 12 of those starts were in Seattle in one season (his 30th game in that span was 19/131/1 in an upset playoff win vs. the 11-5 Saints.). I recall him getting auditioned for the trade block in Buffalo, so maybe that's where some of the starts in Buffalo came from.
But maybe you're right, he just totally declined and became mediocre for his 3rd and 4th years in the league and then magically came back to life
I was obviously implying (as indicated by the next line in my statement) as a feature back. If you want to take it out of context then sure, you can twist the meaning of my words, but I followed that by saying something like "he got 250+ carries 6 times and produced all 6 times".
Tau837
Footballguy
He was entertaining to watch and was a perfect match for the Pete Carroll Seahawks but IMO is not HOF worthy, and I don't think it is particularly close.
He isn't in the top 20 all-time in any notable metric and has just over 9000 career rushing yards, so his case would have to be based on a strong peak. But he really didn't have that. He was 1st team All Pro one time, won no major awards, and had no historically great seasons
He isn't in the top 20 all-time in any notable metric and has just over 9000 career rushing yards, so his case would have to be based on a strong peak. But he really didn't have that. He was 1st team All Pro one time, won no major awards, and had no historically great seasons
Neofight
Footballguy
This is where I'm at, though I can think of a handful of HOF RBs I'd take Marshawn over.
Part of it is his lost years in Buffalo that really hurt him, but also this season as a follow-up to Super Bowl 49. If he runs it in and seals a second ring, then follows it with a typical Seahawk season for him, I think he likely gets in.
He he could also try to hang on past his prime, like so many have, but I respect his choice to hang them up earlier as opposed to later.
Marshawn will go in the Seahawks team HOF and someone's video game hall of fame. Sometimes in madden he's like the Bo Jackson of Tecmo. When you're playing and then turn the game off and see a beast mode highlight on TV later, that is pretty cool. It's geeky but few players ever translate so well back n forth from game and reality. That scene on the beach, on the show The League, was fantastic. He was entertaining on a bunch of different levels. When you cut out all the extra stuff and just talk stats he simply doesn't stack up at all.
If anything he shows that this is not a good era for RBs and maybe that's yet another explanation as to why the market for RBs has plummeted.
If anything he shows that this is not a good era for RBs and maybe that's yet another explanation as to why the market for RBs has plummeted.
Braktastic
Footballguy
Why is there no option for #### No?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Ummm . . . no.
Jackson assumed the lead back role (with Faulk still on the roster) in 2005. Warner was already gone. Martz lasted 5 games that season and Joe Vitt took over as HC. Holt was still there, but Bruce was a fraction of his old self. He would have one 1,000 yard season out of his last 5 seasons played.
In Jackson's tenure with the Rams, St. Louis won 6, 8, 3, 2, 1, 7, 2, and 7.5 games. He may have been heralded, but the Rams were no longer a good team and became a bottom feeder very quickly. If Jackson filled the Faulk role in the Rams 5 year run from 99-03, then we would have seen Jackson as a legit HOF candidate. But he came around too late.
Came here to say the same thing.I don't see what you're disagreeing with.You wrote bold above and the point I was rebutting was the he was too heralded. He was a first rounder ..not following.
Bruce, Faulk, Pace, maybe Holt are all HOFers or that caliber. Aeneas made it didn't he? I wasn't thinking D but...did just occur to me.
How is that not a good situation for a rook to be in? To learn from HOFers and be around them?
OK Martz lasted five games, still a famous offense he learned in camp and five weeks with HOFers.
You don't think combine participants would jump at the chance to do that this summer?
The comment you originally replied to was mine and I was talking about Jackson's entire career, not just his rookie season. I actually agree that what he walked into as a rookie looked like a dream for a RB, but it quickly devolved into a nightmare. I completely agree with Anarchy that if Jackson was on the Rams from 99-03 he'd be talked about as a HoF back.
Similarly, Lynch spent his first 4 years on bad offenses, so he's only got 4 years of impressive stats. Personally, I think Lynch had HoF ability but admit that he doesn't have the stats to get in. If he had stayed healthy this year and played (on Seattle or equivalent offense) at age 30 and 31, he probably could've gotten there.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I understand what people are saying about Lynch being in bad situations for much of his career but I don't think you can vote a guy in the HoF saying he would have produced more on a better team or better situation.
There was a Steelers receiver in the 80s by the name of Louis Lipps who I think was probably better than Swann and Stallworth but instead of playing with Terry Bradshaw his QBs were Mark Malone, David Woodley, Todd Blackledge, Bubby Brister and Kent Graham. He still put up good numbers, was rookie player of the year and made a few pro-bowls, but there was no way any receiver was going to put up HoF stats with those stiffs throwing to him.
I think Lynch falls into the same category. Very good players that could have been in the HoF given better circumstances.
There was a Steelers receiver in the 80s by the name of Louis Lipps who I think was probably better than Swann and Stallworth but instead of playing with Terry Bradshaw his QBs were Mark Malone, David Woodley, Todd Blackledge, Bubby Brister and Kent Graham. He still put up good numbers, was rookie player of the year and made a few pro-bowls, but there was no way any receiver was going to put up HoF stats with those stiffs throwing to him.
I think Lynch falls into the same category. Very good players that could have been in the HoF given better circumstances.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I can't believe this is even a topic. The answer is 'NO' and it's not even close.
fightingillini
Footballguy
Lynch was a very good RB, but no way should he even sniff the HOF.
Pots
Footballguy
He's still a Tecmo Legend. I still remember Louis Lipps sinking Ships from Bubby Brister.
