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Is Norv Turner the worst coach ever? (1 Viewer)

Who is the worst coach in the modern era?

  • Norv Turner

    Votes: 45 46.4%

  • Ray Handley

    Votes: 4 4.1%

  • Rich Kotite

    Votes: 16 16.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 32 33.0%
  • Total voters
    97
What is your definition of the "modern era?"

There are a metric ton worse than Norv in the Super Bowl era and a lot since 1980. The Lions alone have had Monte Clark, Darryl Rogers, and Marty Morningwheg.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
What is your definition of the "modern era?"There are a metric ton worse than Norv in the Super Bowl era and a lot since 1980. The Lions alone have had Monte Clark, Darryl Rogers, and Marty Morningwheg.
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:confused:How about **** Lebeau? He's not the worst, but he's much worse than Norv.
 
Knobs said:
He's a bad coach. But there have been many, many terrible coaches. He's not even top 10.
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he only looks adequate because of the talent on this team.the reality is this team should have been 10-6 or better last year, and they were lucky to finish 8-8
 
Norv Turner isn't one of the worst coaches of all time, he's just one of the most bizarrely overrated. He's the worst coach to ever get THREE different head coaching jobs, for instance. He's also really not all that and a bag of chips as an offensive coordinator, either.

 
cant wait till jim schwartz in on this list

Guy coaching in the league right now worse than norv:

Marvin Lewis

Tom Cable

Josh McDaniel

Tod Haley

Wade Philips

Brad Childress

Rheem Morris

Gary Kubiak

need I go on?

 
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SSOG said:
Norv Turner isn't one of the worst coaches of all time, he's just one of the most bizarrely overrated. He's the worst coach to ever get THREE different head coaching jobs, for instance. He's also really not all that and a bag of chips as an offensive coordinator, either.
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It was shocking that he got the job in SD. So much talent on the team, he's managed to hang on to his job. Spanos is in love with him. He's lived a charmed life as a coach.
 
SSOG said:
Norv Turner isn't one of the worst coaches of all time, he's just one of the most bizarrely overrated. He's the worst coach to ever get THREE different head coaching jobs, for instance. He's also really not all that and a bag of chips as an offensive coordinator, either.
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Is it really fair to count his Raiders stint? I mean, they hired Art Shell for a second time and brought in an OC who had been running a bed & breakfast... do they count?
 
SSOG said:
Norv Turner isn't one of the worst coaches of all time, he's just one of the most bizarrely overrated. He's the worst coach to ever get THREE different head coaching jobs, for instance. He's also really not all that and a bag of chips as an offensive coordinator, either.
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Who overrates him? I've never heard anyone say one good thing about him as a HC. As a coordinator he has two rings and Aikmen credits him for much of his and the team's success. In 2001 the Chargers were 11th in total offense under Turner, they were 28th the year before. He also improved the Dolphins O in his first year there. He's a very, very good O-Coordinator, there is no doubt about it.
 
Doctor Detroit said:
SSOG said:
Norv Turner isn't one of the worst coaches of all time, he's just one of the most bizarrely overrated. He's the worst coach to ever get THREE different head coaching jobs, for instance. He's also really not all that and a bag of chips as an offensive coordinator, either.
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Who overrates him? I've never heard anyone say one good thing about him as a HC. As a coordinator he has two rings and Aikmen credits him for much of his and the team's success. In 2001 the Chargers were 11th in total offense under Turner, they were 28th the year before. He also improved the Dolphins O in his first year there. He's a very, very good O-Coordinator, there is no doubt about it.
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:goodposting:
 
Anyone who trades Cutler, then pisses his #1 WR and TE off is a worst coach... McDaniels is a failure, and they got rid of Shanahan for him?? :wall:

 
Just Win Baby said:
Doctor Detroit said:
SSOG said:
Norv Turner isn't one of the worst coaches of all time, he's just one of the most bizarrely overrated. He's the worst coach to ever get THREE different head coaching jobs, for instance. He's also really not all that and a bag of chips as an offensive coordinator, either.
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Who overrates him? I've never heard anyone say one good thing about him as a HC. As a coordinator he has two rings and Aikmen credits him for much of his and the team's success. In 2001 the Chargers were 11th in total offense under Turner, they were 28th the year before. He also improved the Dolphins O in his first year there. He's a very, very good O-Coordinator, there is no doubt about it.
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:wall:
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:D
 
Brad Childress week in week out makes his case as to why he is awful at what he does. What about Romeo Crenell? Bobby Petrino? Cam Cam? Herm? Ray Rhodes? Marty Morningwheg? Mike Nolan? Scott Linehan? ... Norv is a good coach at part of the game but has obvious flaws ... The same can be said about Andy Reid who is a mad genius offensive mind but is maybe one of the single worst game managers of all time

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
cant wait till jim schwartz in on this listGuy coaching in the league right now worse than norv:Marvin LewisTom CableJosh McDanielTod HaleyWade PhilipsBrad ChildressRheem MorrisGary Kubiakneed I go on?
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Raheem Morris? Josh McDaniels? Todd Haley? How about we wait until these guys have coached more than 1 career game. Hell, McDaniels has the highest career winning percentage in NFL history!Gary Kubiak being on that list is also a joke. I think Phillips is actually pretty similar to Turner.
Just Win Baby said:
Is it really fair to count his Raiders stint? I mean, they hired Art Shell for a second time and brought in an OC who had been running a bed & breakfast... do they count?
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Of course it's fair to count his Raiders stint. He took the job, didn't he? It's not like he's the first coach to ever take over a bad team, here. In fact, check out the guy Turner replaced in SD sometime. I seem to recall him taking over a few terrible teams in his day. How'd that wind up working out for him?
Doctor Detroit said:
SSOG said:
Norv Turner isn't one of the worst coaches of all time, he's just one of the most bizarrely overrated. He's the worst coach to ever get THREE different head coaching jobs, for instance. He's also really not all that and a bag of chips as an offensive coordinator, either.
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Who overrates him? I've never heard anyone say one good thing about him as a HC. As a coordinator he has two rings and Aikmen credits him for much of his and the team's success. In 2001 the Chargers were 11th in total offense under Turner, they were 28th the year before. He also improved the Dolphins O in his first year there. He's a very, very good O-Coordinator, there is no doubt about it.
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In Dallas he inherited an obscene glut of talent. In San Diego, a lot of the offensive improvement was a result of the upgrade in QB from Ryan Leaf to Not Ryan Leaf. In both instances, the offenses in question performed at essentially the same level after he left. You've also got a weird definition of "improvement" regarding his stint in Miami. The Dolphins ranked 8th in scoring before Turner arrived, 12th his first year, and 17th his second year. The yardage totals improved, and I'll agree that the offense was better in 2002 than it was in 2001... but don't you think that might have had something to do with the fact that their leading rusher in 2001 was Lamar Smith (all 3.1 ypc of him) while their leading rusher in 2002 was Ricky Williams? As a head coach, his offenses have been almost universally mediocre. Really, his offensive resume reads as good but not special on every line except for one incredible outlier season with the Redskins and his work with the Dallas Cowboys... and as I said, given the rest of his resume, I'm inclined to believe that's just a result of inheriting obscene amounts of talent.As for who overrates him... how about every front office that keeps giving him a job over up-and-coming coordinators who actually have impressive resumes and who haven't already demonstrated their mind-blowing mediocrity (to be generous) as a head coach.
 
SSOG said:
Just Win Baby said:
Is it really fair to count his Raiders stint? I mean, they hired Art Shell for a second time and brought in an OC who had been running a bed & breakfast... do they count?
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Of course it's fair to count his Raiders stint. He took the job, didn't he? It's not like he's the first coach to ever take over a bad team, here. In fact, check out the guy Turner replaced in SD sometime. I seem to recall him taking over a few terrible teams in his day. How'd that wind up working out for him?
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Well, since you asked, Marty has a horrible playoff record, much worse than Norv's overall playoff record. And Norv has a much better playoff record in San Diego. So, how did it work out for Marty? He's a great coach. But Norv has done a better job in San Diego. :thumbdown:
 
Just Win Baby said:
SSOG said:
Just Win Baby said:
Is it really fair to count his Raiders stint? I mean, they hired Art Shell for a second time and brought in an OC who had been running a bed & breakfast... do they count?
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Of course it's fair to count his Raiders stint. He took the job, didn't he? It's not like he's the first coach to ever take over a bad team, here. In fact, check out the guy Turner replaced in SD sometime. I seem to recall him taking over a few terrible teams in his day. How'd that wind up working out for him?
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Well, since you asked, Marty has a horrible playoff record, much worse than Norv's overall playoff record. And Norv has a much better playoff record in San Diego. So, how did it work out for Marty? He's a great coach. But Norv has done a better job in San Diego. :shrug:
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Bill Cowher had a horrible playoff record, too... until he didn't anymore. Ditto that for Tony Dungy, and Peyton Manning. More than anything, Marty Schottenheimer was the victim of some of the biggest playoff flukes in history. The Drive. The Fumble. That game-ending INT against New England that the SD player managed to fumble away. Without those three events, Schottenheimer is anywhere between 8-13 and 12-10 as a coach in the playoffs, with at least two SB appearances and at least four conference championship game appearances. Yes, those events *DID* happen, but the point I'm making is that the difference between "Marty Schottenheimer is a great postseason coach" and "Marty Schottenheimer is the worst postseason coach in history" is two of the flukiest fumbles and the greatest drive in NFL history.Besides, look at the sample sizes. Norv Turner's playoff record is 7 games. His regular season record is 173 games. Which do you think is a more accurate indicator of his value as a coach? And is his playoff record really that much better in SD? Turner got the Chargers to the AFCCG and the Divisional round. Schotty got the Chargers to the Divisional round twice (and if not for that insane fumble it would have been the AFCCG and the Divisional, just like Turner). Saying that Norv Turner has done a better job in San Diego because no SD defensive backs have fumbled away the game-winning TD and he's gotten one game further in the playoffs once, while completely ignoring the fact that Turner has taken the consensus MOST TALENTED TEAM IN THE LEAGUE and coached them into the ground is crazy. Schottenheimer went 14-2 his last season. Turner took the same team and went 11-5 the next year, and 8-8 the year after (and would have missed the postseason entirely if not for the Broncos staging the biggest collapse in NFL history). And now the Chargers are struggling to put away the Jokeland Raiders.I guess the most ringing endorsement I can give is this: as a Broncos fan, I am so incredibly glad that Marty Schottenheimer is gone. The only thing on earth that makes me gladder is the fact that he got replaced by Norv Turner. I couldn't be happier if the Raiders brought back Art Shell for a third go 'round. I sure wish Bowlen would have hired Schottenheimer, that notorious choke artist, to coach our team.
 
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I think you guys are missing the point here.

The OP Likely hasn't heard of half these guys. He just wants everyone to sympathize with his LT2 draft pick costing him the game this week.

 
Mike Ditka with the Saints in the '90s makes all these guys look like Vince Lombardi. He was both clueless about personnel and was mailing in gametime management.

 
I'd have to throw Wayne Fontes into the mix. Anybody the misuses then basically forces into retirement, arguably the best pure runner in the game's history (Sweetness was the best RB, but Sanders was a great runner) - HAS to be brought up.

 
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I think you guys are missing the point here. The OP Likely hasn't heard of half these guys. He just wants everyone to sympathize with his LT2 draft pick costing him the game this week.
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Oh we get that - but just becuase he started the post for a bad reason, doesn't mean we can't turn it into a good thread. :thumbdown:
 
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I think you guys are missing the point here. The OP Likely hasn't heard of half these guys. He just wants everyone to sympathize with his LT2 draft pick costing him the game this week.
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That would be incorrect. I started this thread (voted for Kotite) and don't own LT in any of my 16 leagues execpt one dynasty.
 
DoubleG said:
I'd have to throw Wayne Fontes into the mix. Anybody the misuses then basically forces into retirement, arguably the best pure runner in the game's history (Sweetness was the best RB, but Sanders was a great runner) - HAS to be brought up.
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Misuses, yes. But I thought that Bobby Ross was the coach when Sanders quit, and that one of his reasons for quitting was that he hated Ross.
 
Just Win Baby said:
SSOG said:
Just Win Baby said:
Is it really fair to count his Raiders stint? I mean, they hired Art Shell for a second time and brought in an OC who had been running a bed & breakfast... do they count?
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Of course it's fair to count his Raiders stint. He took the job, didn't he? It's not like he's the first coach to ever take over a bad team, here. In fact, check out the guy Turner replaced in SD sometime. I seem to recall him taking over a few terrible teams in his day. How'd that wind up working out for him?
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Well, since you asked, Marty has a horrible playoff record, much worse than Norv's overall playoff record. And Norv has a much better playoff record in San Diego. So, how did it work out for Marty? He's a great coach. But Norv has done a better job in San Diego. :excited:
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I disagree. At least Marty got the team to the playoffs. and Norm had no better success with this team in the playoffs, so you cant say he was better.Yes, Norm also made the playoffs, but last year was a fluke. when was the last time an 8-8 team made the playoffs? I think it was the Dallas Cowboys way back when they won their first superbowl with Aikman as QB.if they finish 8-8 again I dont think they make the playoffs. the reality is, this guy needs to be canned. I said it last year, and I'm saying it again this year. He's a fool with a clipboard. nothing more.
 
Kotite was awful, but he may not even be the worst coach in Eagles history. One could argue Marion Campbell was worse, as well as anyone who came after Greasy Neale and before **** Vermeil.

 
When Turner got hired, there were some numbers put out there that really support him as the worst coach ever. Teams he takes over get worse quickly.

 
DoubleG said:
I'd have to throw Wayne Fontes into the mix. Anybody the misuses then basically forces into retirement, arguably the best pure runner in the game's history (Sweetness was the best RB, but Sanders was a great runner) - HAS to be brought up.
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the lions would KILL to have fontes back given their recent coaches
 
SSOG said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
cant wait till jim schwartz in on this listGuy coaching in the league right now worse than norv:Marvin LewisTom CableJosh McDanielTod HaleyWade PhilipsBrad ChildressRheem MorrisGary Kubiakneed I go on?
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Raheem Morris? Josh McDaniels? Todd Haley? How about we wait until these guys have coached more than 1 career game. Hell, McDaniels has the highest career winning percentage in NFL history!Gary Kubiak being on that list is also a joke. I think Phillips is actually pretty similar to Turner.
Just Win Baby said:
Is it really fair to count his Raiders stint? I mean, they hired Art Shell for a second time and brought in an OC who had been running a bed & breakfast... do they count?
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Of course it's fair to count his Raiders stint. He took the job, didn't he? It's not like he's the first coach to ever take over a bad team, here. In fact, check out the guy Turner replaced in SD sometime. I seem to recall him taking over a few terrible teams in his day. How'd that wind up working out for him?
Doctor Detroit said:
SSOG said:
Norv Turner isn't one of the worst coaches of all time, he's just one of the most bizarrely overrated. He's the worst coach to ever get THREE different head coaching jobs, for instance. He's also really not all that and a bag of chips as an offensive coordinator, either.
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Who overrates him? I've never heard anyone say one good thing about him as a HC. As a coordinator he has two rings and Aikmen credits him for much of his and the team's success. In 2001 the Chargers were 11th in total offense under Turner, they were 28th the year before. He also improved the Dolphins O in his first year there. He's a very, very good O-Coordinator, there is no doubt about it.
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In Dallas he inherited an obscene glut of talent. In San Diego, a lot of the offensive improvement was a result of the upgrade in QB from Ryan Leaf to Not Ryan Leaf. In both instances, the offenses in question performed at essentially the same level after he left. You've also got a weird definition of "improvement" regarding his stint in Miami. The Dolphins ranked 8th in scoring before Turner arrived, 12th his first year, and 17th his second year. The yardage totals improved, and I'll agree that the offense was better in 2002 than it was in 2001... but don't you think that might have had something to do with the fact that their leading rusher in 2001 was Lamar Smith (all 3.1 ypc of him) while their leading rusher in 2002 was Ricky Williams? As a head coach, his offenses have been almost universally mediocre. Really, his offensive resume reads as good but not special on every line except for one incredible outlier season with the Redskins and his work with the Dallas Cowboys... and as I said, given the rest of his resume, I'm inclined to believe that's just a result of inheriting obscene amounts of talent.As for who overrates him... how about every front office that keeps giving him a job over up-and-coming coordinators who actually have impressive resumes and who haven't already demonstrated their mind-blowing mediocrity (to be generous) as a head coach.
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why is Kubiak a joke? that dude hasnt impressed me one bit. whats his all time record? all time playoff record? McDaniels suck SSOG sorry.
 
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