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Is Ricky done already? (1 Viewer)

davidwb

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Ricky looked slow last week against the Jets. With Brown presumably getting healthier every week, Ricky has to shine in the early weeks or not at all. But is it already too late? Any Miami homers have some additional information.

Is it time to drop him for a #2 with more upside (e.g. Norwood, Thomas, Hall, Hightower, Weaver, etc)? Or is he still a #1?

 
I have him as a #3, hoping he'd catch fire and be a strong #2. But he was the starting RB for the fish, and so deserved a #1 designation in that regard.

Any thoughts on whether he's done as a starter for Miami? Is Brown going to get the majority of the carries from here out? Is Ricky worth keeping vs some of the other backups that could have bigger upsides?

 
From SportingNews

Also today, Ronnie Brown is getting work in practice ahead of Ricky Williams at the running back spot. While this does not guarantee a change at the starting RB spot, it is a departure from the past couple of weeks when Williams was getting most of the first-team work.
i don't think anyone really knows who will get the majority of carries from week to week.. including Sparano
 
Ronnie Brown has more talent in his left hand than Ricky Williams has left in his body.

 
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I have him as a #3, hoping he'd catch fire and be a strong #2. But he was the starting RB for the fish, and so deserved a #1 designation in that regard.
Ricky may have started the 1st game but he should have never been considered THE starting RB of the Dolphins. His upside has always been, at best, RRBC while Brown's upside was that of the starting RB. It's looks like it's just happeniing sooner than most thought.
 
It's only week 2.

I'd hold on a bit longer considering the guys available.

Brown is coming off of a serious knee injury and as good as he is, you never know how much of the load he can handle over the course of this season.

 
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From SportingNews

Also today, Ronnie Brown is getting work in practice ahead of Ricky Williams at the running back spot. While this does not guarantee a change at the starting RB spot, it is a departure from the past couple of weeks when Williams was getting most of the first-team work.
i don't think anyone really knows who will get the majority of carries from week to week.. including Sparano
I think this is true, until one or the other shows consistency. Until then, I don't think it really matters who starts.
 
Sparano said yesterday Ricky remains the starter but it's irrelevant. It does not matter who starts, it's a RBBC and neither of them will provide consistent production while they are both healthy but can at least offer you flex or bye week options at a difficult to fill fantasy position. The only way one of them is going to become a fantasy stud is if the other gets hurt which is likely to happen at some point this season. Other than that look for inconsistent production. One small positive is I read the Dolphins were considering their plan of using Patrick Cobbs as a third down back, which was a stupid idea when you have two superior RB's who can both catch and block. Removing Cobbs might at least provide the chance for a few more receptions or the chance for a long run on third and long for Ricky and Ronnie.

I do own Ricky in several leagues and the truth is I would not mind if they just said they are going to make Ronnie the man and give him the full load. I do think at this point in their careers Ronnie is more talented but he struggled to stay on the filed before he found himself less than year from ACL surgery so I doubt he'd hold up for long and I'd rather have Ricky as the feature back later in the year than part of a RBBC all year but by all accounts it's simply going to be a RBBC but at least expect it to be a RBBC that will run the ball a lot more than 17 times a week.

 
This will always be a RBBC so long as they are both healthy

Remember when Sparano was OC with Dallas, and Jones started over Barber? He obviously values having multiple running backs in multiple roles. Ricky, in his heyday, was the type of back that got 3 ypc until the 4th quarter- at which point he would have worn out the defense.

What you are seeing this week is just a change in who plays the first series or three. Its going to take a few games until the staff gets a sense of when to use each. I believe that Brown will probably be in for most passing downs, but Ricky will be the goal line back.

/dolphins homer

 
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I do think at this point in their careers Ronnie is more talented but he struggled to stay on the filed before he found himself less than year from ACL surgery so I doubt he'd hold up for long and I'd rather have Ricky as the feature back later in the year than part of a RBBC all year but by all accounts it's simply going to be a RBBC but at least expect it to be a RBBC that will run the ball a lot more than 17 times a week.
that's a long sentence, mister.
 
Never understood the Ricky hype. Seems to me he's a fill in until Ronnie gets healthy and can shoulder the load. Ronnie Brown-the guy that was the #1 FF RB until he got hurt last season...

 
I'm sure whoever reads this has either Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams, what are you getting proposals for, I just got offered Lendale White for Ronnie Brown. Anyone else ? and what have you done.

 
If Ricky is healthy and of the right mind, he is a stud... that may be a big if.... Texas players seem to be in another world with their head when they hit the pros.... I would hold until the situation works itself out... Ricky is just so talented physically to pass on him this early

 
I'm sure whoever reads this has either Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams, what are you getting proposals for, I just got offered Lendale White for Ronnie Brown. Anyone else ? and what have you done.
no offers. he's still off of everyone's radar.
 
I'm hoping Slaton takes advantage of his start this week, and Brown has another ho-hum game.. I think the Brown owner might bite.

 
What did people realistically expect from a 31 y/o back who has been out of the league for 3 years?

 
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What I saw last week was Ricky was faster to the whole, and Ronnie allowed the wholes and play to develop before hitting them. Remember, it really has been a long time since Ricky has run the rock. I think that he will be ok and both will get better once the season progresses.

 
If Ricky is healthy and of the right mind, he is a stud... that may be a big if.... Texas players seem to be in another world with their head when they hit the pros.... I would hold until the situation works itself out... Ricky is just so talented physically to pass on him this early
Ricky went to UT but isn't from Texas. On top of that he consistently turned down Benson's requests to go out on the boat and party.Geez give the guy more than one game.
 
This will always be a RBBC so long as they are both healthy

Remember when Sparano was OC with Dallas, and Jones started over Barber? He obviously values having multiple running backs in multiple roles. Ricky, in his heyday, was the type of back that got 3 ypc until the 4th quarter- at which point he would have worn out the defense.

What you are seeing this week is just a change in who plays the first series or three. Its going to take a few games until the staff gets a sense of when to use each. I believe that Brown will probably be in for most passing downs, but Ricky will be the goal line back.

/dolphins homer
He was the OL/assistant head coach. I doubt he had a whole lot of say on the Jones/Barber issue.
 
lol - the rats sure are jumping off the rasta-poo ship quickly.

But......he looked so great in pre-season!!

(PS I admit if he does a quick fade I would be somewhat surprised - I figured on an RBBC thing for at least awhile)

 
If Ricky is healthy and of the right mind, he is a stud... that may be a big if.... Texas players seem to be in another world with their head when they hit the pros.... I would hold until the situation works itself out... Ricky is just so talented physically to pass on him this early
Ricky went to UT but isn't from Texas. On top of that he consistently turned down Benson's requests to go out on the boat and party.Geez give the guy more than one game.
UT = The University of Texas... also known as Texas... he played at Texas as well as guys like Vince Young and Cedric Benson in recent years
 
Perhaps lost in some of this debate is Ronnies 6 carries for 23 yards for a 3.8 yard average, he didn't light the world on fire when he was in there either. Ricky was 10 for 24 for a terrible 2.4 yard average but had 4 catches to Ronnie's 0. I didn't realize this, but Ricky also had 2 fumbles, ungood.

The Phins abandoned the run early so neither Ronnie nor Ricky did much on the ground against a Jets D that actually played quite well.

Just food for thought.

 
I was hoping he would sting together a few good trades so that he could have some trade value. Oh well, looks like he will remain on my roster for another half decade. At least now he looks like he can be serviceable as a flex during the bye weeks.

 
Ricky was 10 for 24 for a terrible 2.4 yard average but had 4 catches to Ronnie's 0.
Ricky had 4 catches for 15 yards and Brown had 3 catches for 28.
Good Catch, I was thinking the same thing, umm no Ronnie had some good catches in the game, especially in the 4th when time was running out. He caught the ball on a down and out pattern and muscled his way out of bounds.
 
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What did people realistically expect from a 31 y/o back who has been out of the league for 3 years?
Umm, honestly, from what was written on this board week 2-3 of the preseason, I think 1200 rushing and 7 TDs. Where are all those people? Ricky's back, he's explosive, best back on the team. Jesus Tapdancing Christ what a complete toolfest that was.
 
What did people realistically expect from a 31 y/o back who has been out of the league for 3 years?
Umm, honestly, from what was written on this board week 2-3 of the preseason, I think 1200 rushing and 7 TDs. Where are all those people? Ricky's back, he's explosive, best back on the team. Jesus Tapdancing Christ what a complete toolfest that was.
It's been one game, Miami left the strength of their running game to pass 43 times. And VERY FEW predicted Ricky at 1200 and 7 TD's. Ricky wasn't out of the NFL for 3 years because he sucked and was ineffective, he was messed up in the head and appears to have gotten re-oriented and is headed in the right direction.
 
What did people realistically expect from a 31 y/o back who has been out of the league for 3 years?
Umm, honestly, from what was written on this board week 2-3 of the preseason, I think 1200 rushing and 7 TDs. Where are all those people? Ricky's back, he's explosive, best back on the team. Jesus Tapdancing Christ what a complete toolfest that was.
It's been one game, Miami left the strength of their running game to pass 43 times. And VERY FEW predicted Ricky at 1200 and 7 TD's. Ricky wasn't out of the NFL for 3 years because he sucked and was ineffective, he was messed up in the head and appears to have gotten re-oriented and is headed in the right direction.
Yea he just played in the CFL and sucked there.
 
What did people realistically expect from a 31 y/o back who has been out of the league for 3 years?
Umm, honestly, from what was written on this board week 2-3 of the preseason, I think 1200 rushing and 7 TDs. Where are all those people? Ricky's back, he's explosive, best back on the team. Jesus Tapdancing Christ what a complete toolfest that was.
It's been one game, Miami left the strength of their running game to pass 43 times. And VERY FEW predicted Ricky at 1200 and 7 TD's. Ricky wasn't out of the NFL for 3 years because he sucked and was ineffective, he was messed up in the head and appears to have gotten re-oriented and is headed in the right direction.
Well, at least you had the guts to show up. So you still think a 31-year-old RB can come back to the NFL after a three year absence and hold a starting spot? As I said in the other threads preseason, it doesn't matter why. Fact is, he's been out of the game too long and is too old to keep an almost recovered RB from starting, as I said all along.The Ricky hype is a perfect example of board groupthought/lunacy full bore.
 
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Well, at least you had the guts to show up. So you still think a 31-year-old RB can come back to the NFL after a three year absence and hold a starting spot? As I said in the other threads preseason, it doesn't matter why. Fact is, he's been out of the game too long and is too old to keep an almost recovered RB from starting, as I said all along.The Ricky hype is a perfect example of board groupthought/lunacy full bore.
Ronnie Brown is very talented, if he were not there Ricky would be the clear cut starter. I would wager Ricky could be the starter for more than a few NFL teams, you honestly disagree?And Bill Parcells has been one of the biggest Ricky hypemiesters this year, you think that is a product of "groupthought" from this message board?
 
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Yes, honestly, completely, totally. I think he would have a hard time earning a full-time gig for the Texans. Maybe that's why he signed an extension before the season started.

In the one league I owned both, I dropped Ricky for a backup IDP.

 
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I'll use his roster spot to fill in bye weeks as I need them. He's done. I took a flyer on him and week one is enough evidence to me.

Now, if Brown goes down? Diff story.

 
Yes, honestly, completely, totally. I think he would have a hard time earning a full-time gig for the Texans. Maybe that's why he signed an extension before the season started.
If he were that bad, why did Miami want to offer him the extension. You clearly know something they don't, perhaps they should have consulted you before making the move.
 
Maybe what he saw led to Ronnie getting 1st team reps this week?

Guys, again, and hopfeully for the last time, the plan was always that Ricky would start while Brown was recovering, and that he would shoulder the load until Brown could handle a full slate. Well, we've gotten to that point, and they are moving along with the plan.

 
Maybe what he saw led to Ronnie getting 1st team reps this week?

Guys, again, and hopfeully for the last time, the plan was always that Ricky would start while Brown was recovering, and that he would shoulder the load until Brown could handle a full slate. Well, we've gotten to that point, and they are moving along with the plan.
Do you have a source for this, or is this just your WAG? Because as far as I have seen the best move was to use two very talented backs in a RBBC in order to keep them fresh and wear defenses out. Do you have a quote from anyone claiming there was some plan to have Brown carry the full load at any time this season? It sounds like you are trying to pass off speculation as fact.
 

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