Is Ricky done already? (1 Viewer)

[sholditch]

Yes, honestly, completely, totally. I think he would have a hard time earning a full-time gig for the Texans. Maybe that's why he signed an extension before the season started.

If he were that bad, why did Miami want to offer him the extension. You clearly know something they don't, perhaps they should have consulted you before making the move.

terms of the contract:Ricky Williams reportedly negotiated his one-year extension on his own.

Ricky sold himself short on the contract, which will give him a roster bonus each week he plays in 2008, but guarantees him nothing. In 2009, his salary is $3.4 million plus a non-guaranteed workout bonus of $100K. Dating back to his rookie deal with Master P's agency, Ricky's always believed in "earning" his pay, but he could've done better with some representation.

I really should learn to stop feeding the trolls, but...

I don't know anything they don't. I'm just not an idiot and I don't have blinders on. They are paying him next to nothing. They are paying him a little more per week than the vet minimum. If he sucks all year they can cut him and lose nothing. If he proves serviceable they can keep him for next to nothing.

Do you understand the concept of depth on a football team, and the difference between starters and backups? Sounds like you think that if a team likes their starters they shouldn't have any backups. Honestly, what was the point of this post other than an exceedingly poor attempt at an insult?

 

[sholditch]

Maybe what he saw led to Ronnie getting 1st team reps this week?

Guys, again, and hopfeully for the last time, the plan was always that Ricky would start while Brown was recovering, and that he would shoulder the load until Brown could handle a full slate. Well, we've gotten to that point, and they are moving along with the plan.

Do you have a source for this, or is this just your WAG? Because as far as I have seen the best move was to use two very talented backs in a RBBC in order to keep them fresh and wear defenses out. Do you have a quote from anyone claiming there was some plan to have Brown carry the full load at any time this season? It sounds like you are trying to pass off speculation as fact.

Dude, it was everywhere. EVERYWHERE. I'm sorry you have a faulty memory but I am not going to look this up for you.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Maybe what he saw led to Ronnie getting 1st team reps this week?

Guys, again, and hopfeully for the last time, the plan was always that Ricky would start while Brown was recovering, and that he would shoulder the load until Brown could handle a full slate. Well, we've gotten to that point, and they are moving along with the plan.

Do you have a source for this, or is this just your WAG? Because as far as I have seen the best move was to use two very talented backs in a RBBC in order to keep them fresh and wear defenses out. Do you have a quote from anyone claiming there was some plan to have Brown carry the full load at any time this season? It sounds like you are trying to pass off speculation as fact.

Dude, it was everywhere. EVERYWHERE. I'm sorry you have a faulty memory but I am not going to look this up for you.

So what you are saying is you don't have a source, gothca. Because I have followed this situation pretty closely and I don't recall anyone saying this was the plan. I do recall reading bits like this:"It's obvious who Bill Parcells' favorite Dolphin is. Nobody even comes close to Ricky Williams, who often puts a smile on Parcells' face."

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_footb...y-williams.html

 

[j3r3m3y]

Yes, honestly, completely, totally. I think he would have a hard time earning a full-time gig for the Texans. Maybe that's why he signed an extension before the season started.

If he were that bad, why did Miami want to offer him the extension. You clearly know something they don't, perhaps they should have consulted you before making the move.

terms of the contract:Ricky Williams reportedly negotiated his one-year extension on his own.

Ricky sold himself short on the contract, which will give him a roster bonus each week he plays in 2008, but guarantees him nothing. In 2009, his salary is $3.4 million plus a non-guaranteed workout bonus of $100K. Dating back to his rookie deal with Master P's agency, Ricky's always believed in "earning" his pay, but he could've done better with some representation.

I really should learn to stop feeding the trolls, but...

I don't know anything they don't. I'm just not an idiot and I don't have blinders on. They are paying him next to nothing. They are paying him a little more per week than the vet minimum. If he sucks all year they can cut him and lose nothing. If he proves serviceable they can keep him for next to nothing.

Do you understand the concept of depth on a football team, and the difference between starters and backups? Sounds like you think that if a team likes their starters they shouldn't have any backups. Honestly, what was the point of this post other than an exceedingly poor attempt at an insult?

If this is the case and they are ready to move forward with "the plan" then we can expect to see Brown as the workhorse back and only a handful of carries from Williams this week right? If he is clearly just a backup anything more than, say 15% of the attempts would just be foolish, correct?

 

[big0mar]

This will always be a RBBC so long as they are both healthy

Remember when Sparano was OC with Dallas, and Jones started over Barber? He obviously values having multiple running backs in multiple roles. Ricky, in his heyday, was the type of back that got 3 ypc until the 4th quarter- at which point he would have worn out the defense.

What you are seeing this week is just a change in who plays the first series or three. Its going to take a few games until the staff gets a sense of when to use each. I believe that Brown will probably be in for most passing downs, but Ricky will be the goal line back.

/dolphins homer

He was the OL/assistant head coach. I doubt he had a whole lot of say on the Jones/Barber issue.

I believe he did call the plays in 06, before Garrett arrived. And if it wasn't his call, it was Parcells who made it, which proves the same point.

 

[sholditch]

Yes, honestly, completely, totally. I think he would have a hard time earning a full-time gig for the Texans. Maybe that's why he signed an extension before the season started.

If he were that bad, why did Miami want to offer him the extension. You clearly know something they don't, perhaps they should have consulted you before making the move.

terms of the contract:Ricky Williams reportedly negotiated his one-year extension on his own.

Ricky sold himself short on the contract, which will give him a roster bonus each week he plays in 2008, but guarantees him nothing. In 2009, his salary is $3.4 million plus a non-guaranteed workout bonus of $100K. Dating back to his rookie deal with Master P's agency, Ricky's always believed in "earning" his pay, but he could've done better with some representation.

I really should learn to stop feeding the trolls, but...

I don't know anything they don't. I'm just not an idiot and I don't have blinders on. They are paying him next to nothing. They are paying him a little more per week than the vet minimum. If he sucks all year they can cut him and lose nothing. If he proves serviceable they can keep him for next to nothing.

Do you understand the concept of depth on a football team, and the difference between starters and backups? Sounds like you think that if a team likes their starters they shouldn't have any backups. Honestly, what was the point of this post other than an exceedingly poor attempt at an insult?

If this is the case and they are ready to move forward with "the plan" then we can expect to see Brown as the workhorse back and only a handful of carries from Williams this week right? If he is clearly just a backup anything more than, say 15% of the attempts would just be foolish, correct?

OK, in turns:"It's obvious who Bill Parcells' favorite Dolphin is. Nobody even comes close to Ricky Williams, who often puts a smile on Parcells' face."

I certainly can't compete with hard-hitting journalism like this. What's funniest is not just that you posted this tripe but that you are referring to an opinion/blog post written weeks ago as an argument against present reality. Man, you got me there.

Jeremy, ok, how little do you know about football? And how many times are you going to try and put words into my mouth? Point me to the part where I said RB will get 85% of the carries. For that matter, point me to any back out there that got 85% of the rushes on his team. Let's see. from the leaders last week, Turner got 52%, Forte got 58%, Parker got 64%. Do I need to continue? Norwood got 33%, Kevin Jones got 33%, and Mendenhall (a rookie) got 25%. Now, why in the world would I expect Ricky, playing behind a back still in the very late stages of recovery, to see a full 10% fewer carries than a rookie? Where on earth did you come up with 15%?

 

[Todem]

Maybe what he saw led to Ronnie getting 1st team reps this week?

Guys, again, and hopfeully for the last time, the plan was always that Ricky would start while Brown was recovering, and that he would shoulder the load until Brown could handle a full slate. Well, we've gotten to that point, and they are moving along with the plan.

Do you have a source for this, or is this just your WAG? Because as far as I have seen the best move was to use two very talented backs in a RBBC in order to keep them fresh and wear defenses out. Do you have a quote from anyone claiming there was some plan to have Brown carry the full load at any time this season? It sounds like you are trying to pass off speculation as fact.

Dude, it was everywhere. EVERYWHERE. I'm sorry you have a faulty memory but I am not going to look this up for you.

You have your opinion which has been clearly stated over and over and over and over.

People close to the situation however (and that are not Ronnie Brown owners praying for Ricky to just go away) understand the plan from the begining of training camp was that if Ricky shows he is well conditioned and effective this will be a full blown RBBC all year long. Peroid.

So believe what you want...post whatever insults you will. But eventually you will come to grips that Ricky is not washed up...the team is fully behind him and that the success of this team will be around the gameplan of a 2 back attack.

I agree Ronnie Brown is very talented and I was thrilled how he played last year for 5 games. He was a beast. But the fact of the matter his he has been injured every year as pro. The coaching staff and Tuna want to keep both backs fresh and ultimatly run the ball over 35 times a game. That is a cold hard fact. The fact of the matter is both backs were ineffective in week 1....again we are onlygoing into week 2. Ricky and Ronnie will both share the load this week.

From a fantasy perspective I have maintained that Ricky was a nice flex (RB3) option that was dirt cheap most of the off season and a great story thus far. I watched him in practice and pre-season. And he looked great. Going off of one game where we lost out starting LG to an ankle injury and have a rookie at LT and playing from a two score deficit is really dumb. And oh by the way Ricky was on the field on the last drive to try and win this game and oh BTW he was wide open...I mean really wide open for an easy TD that Chad missed him on....people seem to forget that. He also made a huge over the shoulder catch to keep the drive going. Did you watch the whole game? Did you watch the game with an objective eye? If you did you would agree the running game stunk...Ronnie looked pretty good...Ricky made a few plays in the passing game but overall nothing can be measured from week 1.

You need to dial it down on the hostility....their are plenty of good knowledgable people here who do not share the same opinion as you. You think Ronnie Brown will become the all purpose workhorse this year and that's fine.

But those who understand what the Dolphins are trying to do will know that Ronnie can not be relied on for a RB2 position on your fantasy roster each and every week. They understand that Ricky will be invlolved enough that it will temper Ronnies point value....and that at some point in the season one of these guys will miss some games. My bet(and it is pure speculation of course) is that Ronnie misses some time and has some set back....it has been his MO. Ricky had a freak injury last year...the guy was stepped on and it tore his pectoral. Other than that his 3 other seasons with the Dolphins the guy has been a solid pro who plays through pain. Ronnies Rookie year Ricky was very good over the last 8 games.

Keep telling yourself that the Ricky thing is over.....just keep thinking that.

The only way this team has a shot to win games is to run the ball 35 plus times to keep the clock moving, keep their young defense off the field, set up play action and keeping the score close into the fourth quarter. It will be a thrill if they can keep up with Warner, Boldin, Fitz and Edge this weekend.

Expect another loss and another ho hum performance from both Ronnie and Ricky.

I hope I am wrong though....because I am a die hard Fins fan.

 

[sholditch]

Good to see you're so optimistic about your team. I haven't insulted anyone. I found your retort to be crap and called it out. That's not an insult, it's an argument. The only people who believed that it would be a full-blown RBBC all year are the ones who think that Ricky still has it and has enough of it to convince his coaches that he gives them an equal chance to win as RB does. I thought this was idiotic in preseason and I think it's idiotic now. But that's just MO. When I stated my opinion you and mr 15% started coming at me and I came right back at you. If you can't handle that maybe you should adjust the way you post.

Also, the argument that Ricky is less injury-prone than Brown is just plain false. In his past two seasons playing football, Ricky sustained season-ending injuries, one in the NFL last year, and one in the CFL the year before that. Ronnie has sustained season-ending injuries the past two years. They are both injury prone. One is over 30 and hasn't played more than 1 game in the NFL for three years. One is younger and has. I just did the fairly obvious math a while back and find it funny that despite the facts being readily available people are still defending their touting Ricky as the comeback kid.

BTW, your link:

The South Florida Sun-Sentinel expects the Dolphins to open the season with Ricky Williams as their workhorse running back.

Miami has been toying with the idea of starting Ricky and using Ronnie Brown off the bench. The paper suggests Brown may only play "occasionally" as a fill in during the first few weeks. Williams is currently leading the team with a 4.9 YPC average on 15 preseason carries. At this point, it may take a patient owner to draft Brown as an RB2 without securing a top-notch RB3.

 

[-jb-]

Please. Stop. Pretty please. No one KNOWS what is going on. No one has FACTS. I would venture a GUESS that the Dolphins don't even know how this will play out. There are too many variables in my OPINION.

Have discussion, make your points and counterpoints (there are many), but the I'm-right-you're-wrong-neener-neener-nonsense is getting old.

Carry on, my wayward sons.

 

[Ballstein]

Please. Stop. Pretty please. No one KNOWS what is going on. No one has FACTS. I would venture a GUESS that the Dolphins don't even know how this will play out. There are too many variables in my OPINION.Have discussion, make your points and counterpoints (there are many), but the I'm-right-you're-wrong-neener-neener-nonsense is getting old.Carry on, my wayward sons.

YEP-The Dolphins dont even know. They are not going to work Ronnie Brown to death and risk reinjury in week 2. Both rb will be used for the season. I believe they will share carries for the whole season.

 

[gregjcross]

Maybe what he saw led to Ronnie getting 1st team reps this week?

Guys, again, and hopfeully for the last time, the plan was always that Ricky would start while Brown was recovering, and that he would shoulder the load until Brown could handle a full slate. Well, we've gotten to that point, and they are moving along with the plan.

Do you have a source for this, or is this just your WAG? Because as far as I have seen the best move was to use two very talented backs in a RBBC in order to keep them fresh and wear defenses out. Do you have a quote from anyone claiming there was some plan to have Brown carry the full load at any time this season? It sounds like you are trying to pass off speculation as fact.

Dude, it was everywhere. EVERYWHERE. I'm sorry you have a faulty memory but I am not going to look this up for you.

You have your opinion which has been clearly stated over and over and over and over.

People close to the situation however (and that are not Ronnie Brown owners praying for Ricky to just go away) understand the plan from the begining of training camp was that if Ricky shows he is well conditioned and effective this will be a full blown RBBC all year long. Peroid.

So believe what you want...post whatever insults you will. But eventually you will come to grips that Ricky is not washed up...the team is fully behind him and that the success of this team will be around the gameplan of a 2 back attack.

I agree Ronnie Brown is very talented and I was thrilled how he played last year for 5 games. He was a beast. But the fact of the matter his he has been injured every year as pro. The coaching staff and Tuna want to keep both backs fresh and ultimatly run the ball over 35 times a game. That is a cold hard fact. The fact of the matter is both backs were ineffective in week 1....again we are onlygoing into week 2. Ricky and Ronnie will both share the load this week.

From a fantasy perspective I have maintained that Ricky was a nice flex (RB3) option that was dirt cheap most of the off season and a great story thus far. I watched him in practice and pre-season. And he looked great. Going off of one game where we lost out starting LG to an ankle injury and have a rookie at LT and playing from a two score deficit is really dumb. And oh by the way Ricky was on the field on the last drive to try and win this game and oh BTW he was wide open...I mean really wide open for an easy TD that Chad missed him on....people seem to forget that. He also made a huge over the shoulder catch to keep the drive going. Did you watch the whole game? Did you watch the game with an objective eye? If you did you would agree the running game stunk...Ronnie looked pretty good...Ricky made a few plays in the passing game but overall nothing can be measured from week 1.

You need to dial it down on the hostility....their are plenty of good knowledgable people here who do not share the same opinion as you. You think Ronnie Brown will become the all purpose workhorse this year and that's fine.

But those who understand what the Dolphins are trying to do will know that Ronnie can not be relied on for a RB2 position on your fantasy roster each and every week. They understand that Ricky will be invlolved enough that it will temper Ronnies point value....and that at some point in the season one of these guys will miss some games. My bet(and it is pure speculation of course) is that Ronnie misses some time and has some set back....it has been his MO. Ricky had a freak injury last year...the guy was stepped on and it tore his pectoral. Other than that his 3 other seasons with the Dolphins the guy has been a solid pro who plays through pain. Ronnies Rookie year Ricky was very good over the last 8 games.

Keep telling yourself that the Ricky thing is over.....just keep thinking that.

The only way this team has a shot to win games is to run the ball 35 plus times to keep the clock moving, keep their young defense off the field, set up play action and keeping the score close into the fourth quarter. It will be a thrill if they can keep up with Warner, Boldin, Fitz and Edge this weekend.

Expect another loss and another ho hum performance from both Ronnie and Ricky.

I hope I am wrong though....because I am a die hard Fins fan.

TOdem: STating that "Nothing can be measured from one week" is a fallacy. Players have already lost their jobs after just one week, namely FB Boomer Grigsby, TE Sean Ryan (Jeff Garcia with the Bucs). For Miami, players have been rotaed differently in practice after just one week and this is based on what they showed in the game, namely the WRs Hagan/Ginn and apparently the RBs as well, as pointed about by Armando Salguero in his blog. And while I do agree this is an RBBC (like most NFL teams) with Ronnie/Ricky getting 12-15 touches each, the point of all this activity on the message board (and flaming!) is that Ricky faltered slightly (just like when Ronnie when he broke his thumb and faltered in week 2 ) Truth is, Ricky didnt have a "statement game" as the top-dog back, who as you point out, was in there at critical junctures in both halfs. So, obviously Sparano has taken notice just like he did with every other aspect of his team. Ronnie looked slightly better.

It doesnt mean everything and it may mean very little, but this week it meant something in that it caught a lot of attention.

If one of the backs shows more burst or spark, I expect that palyer to start getting the "coache's lean" on carries and critical playing time. It might be Ricky, but it might be Ronnie. But this was a minor setback for Ricky as he was in the pole position.

 

[gregjcross]

Maybe what he saw led to Ronnie getting 1st team reps this week?

Guys, again, and hopfeully for the last time, the plan was always that Ricky would start while Brown was recovering, and that he would shoulder the load until Brown could handle a full slate. Well, we've gotten to that point, and they are moving along with the plan.

Do you have a source for this, or is this just your WAG? Because as far as I have seen the best move was to use two very talented backs in a RBBC in order to keep them fresh and wear defenses out. Do you have a quote from anyone claiming there was some plan to have Brown carry the full load at any time this season? It sounds like you are trying to pass off speculation as fact.

Dude, it was everywhere. EVERYWHERE. I'm sorry you have a faulty memory but I am not going to look this up for you.

You have your opinion which has been clearly stated over and over and over and over.

People close to the situation however (and that are not Ronnie Brown owners praying for Ricky to just go away) understand the plan from the begining of training camp was that if Ricky shows he is well conditioned and effective this will be a full blown RBBC all year long. Peroid.

So believe what you want...post whatever insults you will. But eventually you will come to grips that Ricky is not washed up...the team is fully behind him and that the success of this team will be around the gameplan of a 2 back attack.

I agree Ronnie Brown is very talented and I was thrilled how he played last year for 5 games. He was a beast. But the fact of the matter his he has been injured every year as pro. The coaching staff and Tuna want to keep both backs fresh and ultimatly run the ball over 35 times a game. That is a cold hard fact. The fact of the matter is both backs were ineffective in week 1....again we are onlygoing into week 2. Ricky and Ronnie will both share the load this week.

From a fantasy perspective I have maintained that Ricky was a nice flex (RB3) option that was dirt cheap most of the off season and a great story thus far. I watched him in practice and pre-season. And he looked great. Going off of one game where we lost out starting LG to an ankle injury and have a rookie at LT and playing from a two score deficit is really dumb. And oh by the way Ricky was on the field on the last drive to try and win this game and oh BTW he was wide open...I mean really wide open for an easy TD that Chad missed him on....people seem to forget that. He also made a huge over the shoulder catch to keep the drive going. Did you watch the whole game? Did you watch the game with an objective eye? If you did you would agree the running game stunk...Ronnie looked pretty good...Ricky made a few plays in the passing game but overall nothing can be measured from week 1.

You need to dial it down on the hostility....their are plenty of good knowledgable people here who do not share the same opinion as you. You think Ronnie Brown will become the all purpose workhorse this year and that's fine.

But those who understand what the Dolphins are trying to do will know that Ronnie can not be relied on for a RB2 position on your fantasy roster each and every week. They understand that Ricky will be invlolved enough that it will temper Ronnies point value....and that at some point in the season one of these guys will miss some games. My bet(and it is pure speculation of course) is that Ronnie misses some time and has some set back....it has been his MO. Ricky had a freak injury last year...the guy was stepped on and it tore his pectoral. Other than that his 3 other seasons with the Dolphins the guy has been a solid pro who plays through pain. Ronnies Rookie year Ricky was very good over the last 8 games.

Keep telling yourself that the Ricky thing is over.....just keep thinking that.

The only way this team has a shot to win games is to run the ball 35 plus times to keep the clock moving, keep their young defense off the field, set up play action and keeping the score close into the fourth quarter. It will be a thrill if they can keep up with Warner, Boldin, Fitz and Edge this weekend.

Expect another loss and another ho hum performance from both Ronnie and Ricky.

I hope I am wrong though....because I am a die hard Fins fan.

Stating that "nothing can be measured from one week" is a fallacy. Players have already lost their jobs after just one week, namely FB Boomer Grigsby (and guys like Jeff Garcia). In Parcells kingdom, players have been rotaed differently in practice after just one week and this is based on what they showed in the game, namely the WRs Hagan/Ginn and apparently the RBs as well, as pointed about by Armando Salguero in his blog. While I agree wiht you that this is an RBBC (like most NFL teams) with Ronnie/Ricky getting 12-15 touches on aveage each, the point of all this activity on the message board (and all the flaming) is that Ricky faltered slightly (just like when Ronnie faltered when he dinged his thumb) It's a two way street. Ricky didnt have a "statement game" as the top-dog back, who as you point out, as in at critical junctures in both halfs and got more touches. So, Sparano/ the Miami media took notice --just like they did with every other aspect of Dolphins.

Going forward, If one of the two backs shows more burst or spark-or move the chains more-- I expect that player to gett more carries and critical playing time. It might be Ricky, but it might be Ronnie. Week 1 was a minor setback for Ricky as he was in the pole position, wasnt very effective, and they lost the game.

 

[nzranger]

What did people realistically expect from a 31 y/o back who has been out of the league for 3 years?

Umm, honestly, from what was written on this board week 2-3 of the preseason, I think 1200 rushing and 7 TDs. Where are all those people? Ricky's back, he's explosive, best back on the team. Jesus Tapdancing Christ what a complete toolfest that was.

nice..

 

[hbkhbk]

I almost started RW over Reggie Bush last week, good thing I traded RW and Ginn away for Norwood and Evans before the season started =)

 

[sholditch]

I almost started RW over Reggie Bush last week, good thing I traded RW and Ginn away for Norwood and Evans before the season started =)

Nice move. Now complete it by trading Evans for Ocho and Norwood for Felix Jones.

 

[gump]

Ricky is more talented than Ronnie?

Not so much...

 

[zoonation]

Ricky is more talented than Ronnie?Not so much...

Ricky played really well today.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Ricky is more talented than Ronnie?Not so much...

Ricky played really well today.

Those who aren't paying attention will fail to notice that Ricky got 18 touches for 120 yards because next to 5 TD's it is easy to overlook. But Ricky is far from "done". Heck you could probably get him cheap right now.

 

[gump]

Ricky is more talented than Ronnie?Not so much...

Ricky played really well today.

Those who aren't paying attention will fail to notice that Ricky got 18 touches for 120 yards because next to 5 TD's it is easy to overlook. But Ricky is far from "done". Heck you could probably get him cheap right now.

But is he more talented than Brown?

 

[j3r3m3y]

Ricky is more talented than Ronnie?

Not so much...

Ricky played really well today.

Those who aren't paying attention will fail to notice that Ricky got 18 touches for 120 yards because next to 5 TD's it is easy to overlook. But Ricky is far from "done". Heck you could probably get him cheap right now.

But is he more talented than Brown?

The answer to that is opinion, I can sum up the argument for you:"Nuh uh!"

"Uh huh!"

"Nuh UH!"

"UH HUH!"

"NUH UH!"

They are both pretty damn talented.

 

[Burgendy]

Looking at yesterday's stats, one notes a few interesting things. Take away Ronnie's 62 yard TD in the 4th and they both had the same number of carries (16), but Ricky had a much better yards per carry (6.12 vs 3.19). Now I haven't seen the red zone touches comparision yet, but just looking at the fact Ronnie had a 15, 5 and 2 yard TDs I think you can safely assume Ronnie is man for now when they are in the red zone. With Ricky still performing at a high level, minus the fluke TD ratio between the two, I just don't see them leaning on Ronnie this year any more than a 60/40 split. I think fantasy wise Ronnie is the better option here getting the red zone touches, but Ricky is not going to fade away because he helps the team in real life.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Looking at yesterday's stats, one notes a few interesting things. Take away Ronnie's 62 yard TD in the 4th and they both had the same number of carries (16), but Ricky had a much better yards per carry (6.12 vs 3.19). Now I haven't seen the red zone touches comparision yet, but just looking at the fact Ronnie had a 15, 5 and 2 yard TDs I think you can safely assume Ronnie is man for now when they are in the red zone. With Ricky still performing at a high level, minus the fluke TD ratio between the two, I just don't see them leaning on Ronnie this year any more than a 60/40 split. I think fantasy wise Ronnie is the better option here getting the red zone touches, but Ricky is not going to fade away because he helps the team in real life.

I would agree with you, Ronnie appears to be the redzone favorite. But I would also like to add that Ricky was in on those plays as well. It was a gimmick formation that worked in part because Ricky was on the field and was a decoy for the endaround on every one of those touchdowns. From this point forward I think the Phins are going to use both of them in unexpected ways, I just can't believe the same exact play worked so many times.That being said I agree I would rather have Ronnie, but RW should give you some good weeks too.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Looking at yesterday's stats, one notes a few interesting things. Take away Ronnie's 62 yard TD in the 4th and they both had the same number of carries (16), but Ricky had a much better yards per carry (6.12 vs 3.19). Now I haven't seen the red zone touches comparision yet, but just looking at the fact Ronnie had a 15, 5 and 2 yard TDs I think you can safely assume Ronnie is man for now when they are in the red zone. With Ricky still performing at a high level, minus the fluke TD ratio between the two, I just don't see them leaning on Ronnie this year any more than a 60/40 split. I think fantasy wise Ronnie is the better option here getting the red zone touches, but Ricky is not going to fade away because he helps the team in real life.

I would agree with you, Ronnie appears to be the redzone favorite. But I would also like to add that Ricky was in on those plays as well. It was a gimmick formation that worked in part because Ricky was on the field and was a decoy for the endaround on every one of those touchdowns. From this point forward I think the Phins are going to use both of them in unexpected ways, I just can't believe the same exact play worked so many times.That being said I agree I would rather have Ronnie, but RW should give you some good weeks too.

Ronnie's pass was a thing of beauty also. He was on the run to the left, and threw a perfect pass to Fasano in the endzone. I didnt realize he was a southpaw until that play. Bet the rest of the league didnt either. That looked like a play that they could go back to. He looks like he can throw the ball well. With so much else going on between Ronnie and Ricky with the misdirection and direct snaps, etc, it will be tough for defenses to prepare for the pass out of that formation also. On a side note, excellent coaching yesterday from the Phins' staff.