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Is Ryan the long term answer for the Falcons? (1 Viewer)

Trump Tight

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Here we have a QB that has played reasonably well in the regular season and has shown improvement over the past three years. But, he still hasn't managed to win a playoff game during his three year tenure. He hasn't thrown for more than two hundred yards in a playoff game and has multiple interceptions in each of his playoff games.

Currently the NFC does not have the name QB's that the AFC possesses, but Rodgers seems to have established himself as NFC royalty. Vick also played well this year and some have projected Bradford to be the next superstar. Roddy White established himself as a premier WR the year before Ryan came to town, when Harrington and Redman were slinging the ball. Ryan doesn't seem to have made White much better than the previously mentioned duo. Turner is aging and the Falcons will have to address their running game.

The defense also seems to carry the Falcons. Atlanta was 5th in PPG, but was exposed last night (although the Falcons contained the Packers in week 12). Is Ryan merely a game manager that depends on a dominant defense?

 
He's a very mediocre QB. Very steady, reasonably accurate, but I simply wouldn't trust him with the game in his hands. He's not mobile, doesn't threaten a defense at every level, and generally looks godawful if the defense isn't giving up that 10-15 yard stuff easily.

 
But, he still hasn't managed to win a playoff game during his three year tenure
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and last night loss makes him 0-2,and both loses were to teams that were about as hot as a team can get(Az,GB)
The Jacket said:
He's a very mediocre QB. Very steady, reasonably accurate, but I simply wouldn't trust him with the game in his hands. He's not mobile, doesn't threaten a defense at every level, and generally looks godawful if the defense isn't giving up that 10-15 yard stuff easily.
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seems to me that he is getting "it", improved considerably this year 3700 yds and a 3 to 1 in TD to Int. Maybe his long pass is not his strongest suit but there are a lot of QBs that have the same problem....give him time he in only 25.
 
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Ryan is only one of 6 QB to throw for over 10,000 passing yard in their first three seasons (Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Drew Bledsoe, Jeff Garcia, Joe Flacco). He's never won a playoff game . . . IN TWO GAMES.

 
He doesnt have Rodgers arm strength, but I still think he is a good nfl qb. He had an off night. His defense is porous - 26th best pass d in the nfl, and humiliated by the Packers last night.

Give him another good reciever, TE (Gonzo looked old) shore up the pass defense. I would be ok with him as my qb.

 
He's only got 3 years in. Is it because of Roethlisberger's early accomplishments that make people so impatient?

Ryan is developing into a very good QB. The problem I see is that the team has a small window with Turner, Gonzalez, and White. Will the Falcons develop or sign a #2 WR that helps draw some of the attention White gets, before Gonzalez retires and Turner declines? They need to do something or they'll be in a cycle where once they get an impact #2 WR in a couple of years, they'll be searching for a RB & TE and if it takes 3-4 years for the team to find quality players at those positions then White will be in decline.

 
netnalp said:
He's only got 3 years in. Is it because of Roethlisberger's early accomplishments that make people so impatient? Ryan is developing into a very good QB. The problem I see is that the team has a small window with Turner, Gonzalez, and White. Will the Falcons develop or sign a #2 WR that helps draw some of the attention White gets, before Gonzalez retires and Turner declines? They need to do something or they'll be in a cycle where once they get an impact #2 WR in a couple of years, they'll be searching for a RB & TE and if it takes 3-4 years for the team to find quality players at those positions then White will be in decline.
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Anyone think Rodgers would of put up those numbers without his WR? I mean, I love Rodgers, but that offense is built to pass. Ryan has a good O line, a good RB (who can't catch, which is an issue), one good WR, one old (yet still better than most) TE, and then some very average WR. He got caught in a game where he faced very fast backfield who basically got to wait (and bait) him into throwing. Ryan is fine.
 
Ryan is fine, still I can't help thinking that we'll look back when his career is up at a guy who never got to an NFC Championship game. He doesn't appear to have "it" to me. Very good, yes.. but I don't think he'll ever be great.

 
Trump Tight said:
Here we have a QB that has played reasonably well in the regular season and has shown improvement over the past three years. But, he still hasn't managed to win a playoff game during his three year tenure. He hasn't thrown for more than two hundred yards in a playoff game and has multiple interceptions in each of his playoff games. Currently the NFC does not have the name QB's that the AFC possesses, but Rodgers seems to have established himself as NFC royalty. Vick also played well this year and some have projected Bradford to be the next superstar. Roddy White established himself as a premier WR the year before Ryan came to town, when Harrington and Redman were slinging the ball. Ryan doesn't seem to have made White much better than the previously mentioned duo. Turner is aging and the Falcons will have to address their running game. The defense also seems to carry the Falcons. Atlanta was 5th in PPG, but was exposed last night (although the Falcons contained the Packers in week 12). Is Ryan merely a game manager that depends on a dominant defense?
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You may want to concentrate on the hack you have at QB.
 
I don't think that getting to the championship game is some key indicator for a QB.

Not going to lookit up, but I'll bet the championship game QB list is littered with a bunch of terrible QBs.

Chris Chandler got to the Super Bowl.

 
Trump Tight said:
Here we have a QB that has played reasonably well in the regular season and has shown improvement over the past three years. But, he still hasn't managed to win a playoff game during his three year tenure. He hasn't thrown for more than two hundred yards in a playoff game and has multiple interceptions in each of his playoff games. Currently the NFC does not have the name QB's that the AFC possesses, but Rodgers seems to have established himself as NFC royalty. Vick also played well this year and some have projected Bradford to be the next superstar. Roddy White established himself as a premier WR the year before Ryan came to town, when Harrington and Redman were slinging the ball. Ryan doesn't seem to have made White much better than the previously mentioned duo. Turner is aging and the Falcons will have to address their running game. The defense also seems to carry the Falcons. Atlanta was 5th in PPG, but was exposed last night (although the Falcons contained the Packers in week 12). Is Ryan merely a game manager that depends on a dominant defense?
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Now this part at least I have to disagree with. Did you not play Fantasy football this year or something? Roddy was the #1 or #2 WR in pretty much all scoring formats. Most places I have checked, 115 catches for 1389 yards and 10 TDs is much better than 83 catches for 1202 yards and 6 TDs...
 
Trump Tight said:
Here we have a QB that has played reasonably well in the regular season and has shown improvement over the past three years. But, he still hasn't managed to win a playoff game during his three year tenure. He hasn't thrown for more than two hundred yards in a playoff game and has multiple interceptions in each of his playoff games. Currently the NFC does not have the name QB's that the AFC possesses, but Rodgers seems to have established himself as NFC royalty. Vick also played well this year and some have projected Bradford to be the next superstar. Roddy White established himself as a premier WR the year before Ryan came to town, when Harrington and Redman were slinging the ball. Ryan doesn't seem to have made White much better than the previously mentioned duo. Turner is aging and the Falcons will have to address their running game. The defense also seems to carry the Falcons. Atlanta was 5th in PPG, but was exposed last night (although the Falcons contained the Packers in week 12). Is Ryan merely a game manager that depends on a dominant defense?
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What happened to Turner? 10 carries? They need to be a running team and mix in the pass but be more creative in play calling.This is Rodgers 6th year, 3rd as starter so give him a little time.
 
Ryan is a good QB, but great? Not sure about that.

I do know this: if certain other quarterbacks (just about most considered to be the top 10-12 QBs) had made that terrible throw that was picked off and returned for a TD last night, THE game-changing play, they would be getting absolutely killed right now. But Ryan is not. I find that interesting.

 
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cr8f said:
Trump Tight said:
Here we have a QB that has played reasonably well in the regular season and has shown improvement over the past three years. But, he still hasn't managed to win a playoff game during his three year tenure. He hasn't thrown for more than two hundred yards in a playoff game and has multiple interceptions in each of his playoff games.

Currently the NFC does not have the name QB's that the AFC possesses, but Rodgers seems to have established himself as NFC royalty. Vick also played well this year and some have projected Bradford to be the next superstar. Roddy White established himself as a premier WR the year before Ryan came to town, when Harrington and Redman were slinging the ball. Ryan doesn't seem to have made White much better than the previously mentioned duo. Turner is aging and the Falcons will have to address their running game.

The defense also seems to carry the Falcons. Atlanta was 5th in PPG, but was exposed last night (although the Falcons contained the Packers in week 12). Is Ryan merely a game manager that depends on a dominant defense?
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What happened to Turner? 10 carries? They need to be a running team and mix in the pass but be more creative in play calling.

This is Rodgers 6th year, 3rd as starter so give him a little time.
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28 points in the 2nd quarter. :thumbup:

 
Atlanta had no running game. You could as easily blame the loss on Turner, who incidentally, I think needs to be upgraded with a faster, more dynamic back. Atlanta should go hard after Bradshaw as he would a lot of big run capability to their offense. Use Turner like NYG used Jacobs. Aside from White, that offense has no playmakers.

 
Trump Tight said:
Here we have a QB that has played reasonably well in the regular season and has shown improvement over the past three years. But, he still hasn't managed to win a playoff game during his three year tenure. He hasn't thrown for more than two hundred yards in a playoff game and has multiple interceptions in each of his playoff games.
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after my 3rd year I had 2 playoff games under my belt -- both losses.in those 2 losses I totaled 1 td, while averaging 210 yds on 48% completion, with a 62 and 82 qb rating.who am I?
 
Plenty of fanbases would be perfectly happy with an emotionally-unstable quarterback who led them to the playoffs every other year only to melt down under pressure.

 
There aren't that many elite QBs. Not every team can have one. Ryan's an above average QB with many years left to gain experience. The Falcons are fine with him. They need to worry about their secondary.

 
Well at least Matthew Ryan is a Pro Bowl QB. Too bad Aaron Rodgers is not. What were voters thinking?

 
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The media loves the guy and this "Matty Ice" stuff is ridiculous. Yes, he's overhyped, and a bit overrated....but he's still a darn good QB and I've love to have him on my team.

eta

List of QBs I'd take over Ryan (real NFL, not fantasy):

Brady

Roethlisburger

Flacco

P Manning

Rivers

Rodgers

Brees

Freeman

Bradford

Still top 10. Good player. 2nd coming, no.

 
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Ryan is mediocre. The Pro Bowl berth is beyond absurd. I would rather need a franchise qb than "have" one that is good enough to keep the job, but not good enough to be a difference maker.

 
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Ryan is mediocre. The Pro Bowl berth is beyond absurd. I would rather need a franchise qb than "have" one that is good enough to keep the job, but not good enough to be a difference maker.
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Martyball doesn't win playoff games. Martyball is exactly how the Falcons play. Moraball=Martyball=Mattyball. Works fine when everything goes your way but if you have to scheme and play catch up your screwed. There it was for all to see last night.
 
Trump Tight said:
Here we have a QB that has played reasonably well in the regular season and has shown improvement over the past three years. But, he still hasn't managed to win a playoff game during his three year tenure. He hasn't thrown for more than two hundred yards in a playoff game and has multiple interceptions in each of his playoff games. Currently the NFC does not have the name QB's that the AFC possesses, but Rodgers seems to have established himself as NFC royalty. Vick also played well this year and some have projected Bradford to be the next superstar. Roddy White established himself as a premier WR the year before Ryan came to town, when Harrington and Redman were slinging the ball. Ryan doesn't seem to have made White much better than the previously mentioned duo. Turner is aging and the Falcons will have to address their running game. The defense also seems to carry the Falcons. Atlanta was 5th in PPG, but was exposed last night (although the Falcons contained the Packers in week 12). Is Ryan merely a game manager that depends on a dominant defense?
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awful :thumbup: trip
 
5Rings said:
The media loves the guy and this "Matty Ice" stuff is ridiculous. Yes, he's overhyped, and a bit overrated....but he's still a darn good QB and I've love to have him on my team.etaList of QBs I'd take over Ryan (real NFL, not fantasy):BradyRoethlisburgerFlaccoP ManningRiversRodgersBreesFreemanBradfordStill top 10. Good player. 2nd coming, no.
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this just proves that the league has a lot of very good qb's right now.
 
This is not meant to demean the Falcons, but coming into the season, I figured they could be a 10 or 11 win team. Ya know, one of those teams that is good enough to make the playoffs, maybe get to the second round, but not really a team you could see in the Super Bowl. And that is how I still see them. Granted, they got to 13 wins, but they had some incredible breaks (yes, I know, you make your own breaks) in games against NO, SF, Balt and TB, allowing them to slightly overachieve in regards to how good they really were.

What does this have to do with Ryan? Well, like others have said, he is a good QB, but is he a difference maker? Time will tell. I mean, if we are gonna hold other younger QBs like Rodgers, Cutler, etc. to the "he hasn't won a playoff game yet" standard, then we have to do the same for Ryan, right? Especially since both playoff losses came in games the Falcons were favored to win. But he is still early in his career, so we'll see what happens.

 
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Ghost Rider said:
This is not meant to demean the Falcons, but coming into the season, I figured they could be a 10 or 11 win team. Ya know, one of those teams that is good enough to make the playoffs, maybe get to the second round, but not really a team you could see in the Super Bowl. And that is how I still see them. Granted, they got to 13 wins, but they had some incredible breaks (yes, I know, you make your own breaks) in games against NO, SF, Balt and TB, allowing them to slightly overachieve in regards to how good they really were. What does this have to do with Ryan? Well, like others have said, he is a good QB, but is he a difference maker? Time will tell. I mean, if we are gonna hold other younger QBs like Rodgers, Cutler, etc. to the "he hasn't won a playoff game yet" standard, then we have to do the same for Ryan, right? Especially since both playoff losses came in games the Falcons were favored to win. But he is still early in his career, so we'll see what happens.
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The point is that these, "______the long term answer for_________" threads are really frigging stupid. Are the Ravens gonna bench or dump Flacco? NO. Will they trad him? NO. Are the Falcons gonna do the same with Ryan? Hell No. These kids are young budding stars in the NFL. WHy would you start a thread asking if they are "the long term answer" for a team when they clearly are. The fact of the matter is that some excellent QB's will play their entire career and never win a super bowl. That is just the way the league is set up. It is very competitive. Marion didn't win a SB and he widely considered one of the best ever qb's. Did the Dolphins ever consider that he wasn't "the longterm answer"??? OF COURSE NOT.Flacco and Ryan are two of the most succesful QB's through 3 years ever based on stats and winning percentage.
 
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az_prof said:
Atlanta had no running game. You could as easily blame the loss on Turner, who incidentally, I think needs to be upgraded with a faster, more dynamic back. Atlanta should go hard after Bradshaw as he would a lot of big run capability to their offense. Use Turner like NYG used Jacobs. Aside from White, that offense has no playmakers.
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THISi was never enamored with Turner and now he doesn't seem to be the same explosive runner he was. Gonzo is not a difference maker by any means anymore. while snelling was a nice surprise in the passing game, they could of really used Norwood as another explosive threat.
 
thehornet said:
5Rings said:
The media loves the guy and this "Matty Ice" stuff is ridiculous. Yes, he's overhyped, and a bit overrated....but he's still a darn good QB and I've love to have him on my team.etaList of QBs I'd take over Ryan (real NFL, not fantasy):BradyRoethlisburgerFlaccoP ManningRiversRodgersBreesFreemanBradfordStill top 10. Good player. 2nd coming, no.
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this just proves that the league has a lot of very good qb's right now.
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The league also has a massive shortage of NFL caliber QBs. I would argue Buffalo, Miami (thought Chad would be, but he had an awful year), Cinci, Titans, Oakland, Redskins, Minnesota, Carolina, Arizona, 49ers, and the Seahawks all lack a true NFL caliber QB going into next year.
 
THose people blaming Turner need to back off a bit, they were playing from behind. Turner is one of the biggest reasons that team was so successful this year. Atlanta is a very balanced team that kills you with long drives...Turner is a huge part of that. Turner worried most Green Bay fans going into this game more than Ryan/White.

Ryan is a good young QB. He may not be setting the world on fire but it's only his 3rd year. I think people constantly look to question QB's. I read on another message board people are now saying "Rodgers hasn't beaten a premier NFL defense in the playoffs yet"...I mean...come on. Someone else said it above, it's like everybody expects Superbowls because Roethlisberger did it so quickly. Bottom line is, there are 32 teams and only 1 championship every year. Every single year there are going to be great players who lose in the playoffs.

It's a team game. I don't care who the quarterback of the Falcons was yesterday. It was Green Bay's night and they were going to win regardless.

 
Trump Tight said:
Here we have a QB that has played reasonably well in the regular season and has shown improvement over the past three years. But, he still hasn't managed to win a playoff game during his three year tenure. He hasn't thrown for more than two hundred yards in a playoff game and has multiple interceptions in each of his playoff games. Currently the NFC does not have the name QB's that the AFC possesses, but Rodgers seems to have established himself as NFC royalty. Vick also played well this year and some have projected Bradford to be the next superstar. Roddy White established himself as a premier WR the year before Ryan came to town, when Harrington and Redman were slinging the ball. Ryan doesn't seem to have made White much better than the previously mentioned duo. Turner is aging and the Falcons will have to address their running game. The defense also seems to carry the Falcons. Atlanta was 5th in PPG, but was exposed last night (although the Falcons contained the Packers in week 12). Is Ryan merely a game manager that depends on a dominant defense?
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The Miami Dolphins would gladly turn back the clock and take Matt Ryan number 1 overall in the 2008 draft.Give me a break. This kid has a long career ahead of him and is a heck of an NFL QB.
 
I've been a Falcon fan as long as I was old enough to watch TV. (I'm 51 now) and I would like to know from all the Ryan detractors... can you name a Falcon QB ever... that was better than Ryan? (Please leave Vick out because of all the harm he caused to our team.) Bartkowski? Chris Miller? Chris Chandler? Bobby Hebert? June Jones? Jeff George? I think Ryan will end up being our best QB ever, but that's just my opinion. Am I forgetting someone? Oh, yeah, Brett Favre, lol. But he doesn't count either.

 
Why do people use lack of play-off wins to berate QBs but not other players? No QB can do it on his own, not even a great one. Nobody is knocking Roddy White for his lack of play-off wins, are they? Or stars from other teams such as Andre Johnson or Asomugha.

Having a great QB is important, but in general teams, not players, win play-off games.

 
Ryan was solid this year and showed improvement, but he needs to improve his intermediate and deep ball. Having watched him several games, I think he was exposed late in the year. If you take away Turner, he's not able to beat you by himself. Accurate on the short balls, but struggles with deeper throws. I don't know if it's arm strength or mechanics, but his passes don't seem to have zip.

15-20 other NFL teams would probably love to have him, but I don't root for one of those.

 
abricru said:
I've been a Falcon fan as long as I was old enough to watch TV. (I'm 51 now) and I would like to know from all the Ryan detractors... can you name a Falcon QB ever... that was better than Ryan? (Please leave Vick out because of all the harm he caused to our team.) Bartkowski? Chris Miller? Chris Chandler? Bobby Hebert? June Jones? Jeff George? I think Ryan will end up being our best QB ever, but that's just my opinion. Am I forgetting someone? Oh, yeah, Brett Favre, lol. But he doesn't count either.
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Bartkowski was good. Being a Saints fan, I watched him a lot. Hard to compare QBs from different eras, though. Ryan doesn't have Jeff George's freakish ability, of course, Ryan is also not a complete moron like Jeff George was, either.You're right though, in only his second year as a starter, Matt Ryan is probably the best QB in franchise history, except for Vick. He's still so young. No telling what he'll be doing in a few years. He's ahead of where Drew Brees was, for example, in his second year as a starter. We know what Brees became. I know this, 20 other NFL teams would probably trade their QB for Matt Ryan right now. That's pretty good. In this case, I think the Falcons just ran into the wrong team. Green Bay is hot as hell and they are one of the 12 or so teams that wouldn't trade their QB for Ryan.
 
Matt Ryan needs more weapons. That's it. Roddy White is great, but he looked very slow to me over the past month. He was just a possession receiver over the back half of the year.

The other weapons on the Falcons are pathetic. Even their RB is terrible at pass-catching, which makes it worse.

Rodgers has 1 great WR and 3 very good ones. Ryan has one great WR and NOTHING.

Big difference.

 
abricru said:
I've been a Falcon fan as long as I was old enough to watch TV. (I'm 51 now) and I would like to know from all the Ryan detractors... can you name a Falcon QB ever... that was better than Ryan? (Please leave Vick out because of all the harm he caused to our team.) Bartkowski? Chris Miller? Chris Chandler? Bobby Hebert? June Jones? Jeff George? I think Ryan will end up being our best QB ever, but that's just my opinion. Am I forgetting someone? Oh, yeah, Brett Favre, lol. But he doesn't count either.
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Ryan needs the run game and in a come from behind situation he can not put the game on his shoulders at this stage in his career. He could improve in his read ability and he could end up being a better QB than the other Atlanta QB's mentioned. Im not saying he has hit his ceiling but going from what I have seen so far I don't see anything special at the position other than a game manager that when things go his way doesn't make many mistakes.
 
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