Is Shohei Ohtani the greatest baseball player of all time? (6 Viewers)

[Zow]

I was at game 5 last night, should have left after the second pitch.

dodger fan status confirmed

I can still remember watching the Kirk Gibson game on TV and when the ball went out you could see all the brake lights in the parking lot light up as people were stopping when they heard the noise. Just classic Dodger fan.

I used to complain about Dodgers fans arriving late and leaving early. Then I experienced the parking lots at Dodger Stadium.

Bill Simmons laid out the nightmare that is getting in and out of Dodger stadium in a recent podcast. Sounds pretty awful.

Are like ubers and rideshares or something not viable?

 

[Tau837]

I think you can make the argument that Ohtani has more baseball talent than anybody who has ever lived.
I don't think he's the best baseball player that has ever lived.

I look at similarly in basketball. I think LeBron is the most talented basketball player ever. I think Jordan is the best basketball player ever.

I don’t know that I would agree that he is the most talented baseball player ever. What makes him more talented than Willie Mays, for example? I know Mays did not pitch but he was great at everything else in baseball. And he showed that talent for a long, long time.

 

[Eephus]

I think you can make the argument that Ohtani has more baseball talent than anybody who has ever lived.
I don't think he's the best baseball player that has ever lived.

I look at similarly in basketball. I think LeBron is the most talented basketball player ever. I think Jordan is the best basketball player ever.

I don’t know that I would agree that he is the most talented baseball player ever. What makes him more talented than Willie Mays, for example? I know Mays did not pitch but he was great at everything else in baseball. And he showed that talent for a long, long time.

Mays provided outstanding defense at a key position for over two decades. I don't know how this balances out vs. Ohtani's pitching and DHing

 

[FarFromHome]

I just want to go on record as saying Ohtani is a generational talent no question. I also want to go on record to say I can't rank him in the same tier as Willie Fricking Mays. 24 all star selections and 12 gold gloves. A true Titan of baseball. Not yet Ohtani, not yet.

 

[Capella]

I was at game 5 last night, should have left after the second pitch.

dodger fan status confirmed

I can still remember watching the Kirk Gibson game on TV and when the ball went out you could see all the brake lights in the parking lot light up as people were stopping when they heard the noise. Just classic Dodger fan.

I used to complain about Dodgers fans arriving late and leaving early. Then I experienced the parking lots at Dodger Stadium.

Bill Simmons laid out the nightmare that is getting in and out of Dodger stadium in a recent podcast. Sounds pretty awful.

Are like ubers and rideshares or something not viable?

There’s only one way in and out. So you can use them, but it’s gonna take you a while.

People make fun of dodger fans but it’s actually crazy 40-50,000 people do that over 80 times a year.

 

[Zow]

I was at game 5 last night, should have left after the second pitch.

dodger fan status confirmed

I can still remember watching the Kirk Gibson game on TV and when the ball went out you could see all the brake lights in the parking lot light up as people were stopping when they heard the noise. Just classic Dodger fan.

I used to complain about Dodgers fans arriving late and leaving early. Then I experienced the parking lots at Dodger Stadium.

Bill Simmons laid out the nightmare that is getting in and out of Dodger stadium in a recent podcast. Sounds pretty awful.

Are like ubers and rideshares or something not viable?

There’s only one way in and out. So you can use them, but it’s gonna take you a while.

Ah, that makes sense.

 

[bagger]

When I left game 5 after it ended I ubered so you literally need to walk down to sunset or do what I did and get an illegal uber parked in the neighborhood next to the stadium. Between having to cut through bushes into the neighborhood, getting into a car that had child locks activated there was a 30% chance I was being murdered which would still be better than traffic getting out of there.

 

[bagger]

This is all setting up for a game 7 ohtani pitching game. Nobody will doubt him as the greatest once the dodgers win in 7.

 

[Gally]

This is all setting up for a game 7 ohtani pitching game. Nobody will doubt him as the greatest once the dodgers win in 7.

I would be surprised they use Ohtani on short rest especially when it's Glasnow's turn to be up.

 

[falguy]

This is all setting up for a game 7 ohtani pitching game. Nobody will doubt him as the greatest once the dodgers win in 7.

I would be surprised they use Ohtani on short rest especially when it's Glasnow's turn to be up.

I'm still a bit confused at the "ohtani rule" , but if he starts as DH only, then comes in later to pitch, they lose the DH. Is that the case? But if he starts as pitcher, then comes out, he can continue to be DH? If so, then start him, go to Glasnow an inning, or two later.

 

[Gally]

This is all setting up for a game 7 ohtani pitching game. Nobody will doubt him as the greatest once the dodgers win in 7.

I would be surprised they use Ohtani on short rest especially when it's Glasnow's turn to be up.

I'm still a bit confused at the "ohtani rule" , but if he starts as DH only, then comes in later to pitch, they lose the DH. Is that the case? But if he starts as pitcher, then comes out, he can continue to be DH? If so, then start him, go to Glasnow an inning, or two later.

Look at it this way (for the rule). Ohtani is DH'ing for the pitcher. Doesn't matter who the pitcher is. So if he isn't pitching to start the game and then goes into the game to pitch the DH goes away because now the DH is playing in the field. In the instance he is DH'ing for Shohei the pitcher once the pitcher goes out of the game and a new pitcher goes in then Ohtani the DH is still just the DH. The DH never went into the field to play.

i still don't think they will let Ohtani pitch on 3 days rest after coming off his TJ surgery

 

[rockaction]

i still don't think they will let Ohtani pitch on 3 days rest after coming off his TJ surgery

That's Tommy John number two. I think they're crazy to risk losing his bat at all by letting him pitch on normal or extended rest.

I wouldn't let him pitch at all, but I am not sure they have full control over that, believe it or not. (They probably do.)

 

[Instinctive]

This is all setting up for a game 7 ohtani pitching game. Nobody will doubt him as the greatest once the dodgers win in 7.

I would be surprised they use Ohtani on short rest especially when it's Glasnow's turn to be up.

I'm still a bit confused at the "ohtani rule" , but if he starts as DH only, then comes in later to pitch, they lose the DH. Is that the case? But if he starts as pitcher, then comes out, he can continue to be DH? If so, then start him, go to Glasnow an inning, or two later.

Look at it this way (for the rule). Ohtani is DH'ing for the pitcher. Doesn't matter who the pitcher is. So if he isn't pitching to start the game and then goes into the game to pitch the DH goes away because now the DH is playing in the field. In the instance he is DH'ing for Shohei the pitcher once the pitcher goes out of the game and a new pitcher goes in then Ohtani the DH is still just the DH. The DH never went into the field to play.

i still don't think they will let Ohtani pitch on 3 days rest after coming off his TJ surgery

I mean it doesn't make any more sense. Couldn't you just as easily say if Ohtani the pitcher warms up a bit and goes in that Ohtani the Dh is still DHing for the pitcher? It's silly.

 

[Gally]

This is all setting up for a game 7 ohtani pitching game. Nobody will doubt him as the greatest once the dodgers win in 7.

I would be surprised they use Ohtani on short rest especially when it's Glasnow's turn to be up.

I'm still a bit confused at the "ohtani rule" , but if he starts as DH only, then comes in later to pitch, they lose the DH. Is that the case? But if he starts as pitcher, then comes out, he can continue to be DH? If so, then start him, go to Glasnow an inning, or two later.

Look at it this way (for the rule). Ohtani is DH'ing for the pitcher. Doesn't matter who the pitcher is. So if he isn't pitching to start the game and then goes into the game to pitch the DH goes away because now the DH is playing in the field. In the instance he is DH'ing for Shohei the pitcher once the pitcher goes out of the game and a new pitcher goes in then Ohtani the DH is still just the DH. The DH never went into the field to play.

i still don't think they will let Ohtani pitch on 3 days rest after coming off his TJ surgery

I mean it doesn't make any more sense. Couldn't you just as easily say if Ohtani the pitcher warms up a bit and goes in that Ohtani the Dh is still DHing for the pitcher? It's silly.

Kind of. Essentially at the start of the game you have a chance to have 10 positions. They enter Ohtani as the pitcher and DH so he is taking up 2 positions. When the pitcher leaves the DH is still in the game.

When it happens the other way (not starting pitching) he is only listed as a DH. When the DH goes in to play defense you no longer have a DH and you have a pitcher only.

That is the way the DH rule is stated. You lose the DH when the DH plays defense.

Softball has an even more convoluted rule with a DP (designated player). That player can be something like a defensive only player where they don't hit. But they can hit and they can be moved around the lineup spot. I have never been able to wrap my head around the rules for the DP.

 

[Instinctive]

This is all setting up for a game 7 ohtani pitching game. Nobody will doubt him as the greatest once the dodgers win in 7.

I would be surprised they use Ohtani on short rest especially when it's Glasnow's turn to be up.

I'm still a bit confused at the "ohtani rule" , but if he starts as DH only, then comes in later to pitch, they lose the DH. Is that the case? But if he starts as pitcher, then comes out, he can continue to be DH? If so, then start him, go to Glasnow an inning, or two later.

Look at it this way (for the rule). Ohtani is DH'ing for the pitcher. Doesn't matter who the pitcher is. So if he isn't pitching to start the game and then goes into the game to pitch the DH goes away because now the DH is playing in the field. In the instance he is DH'ing for Shohei the pitcher once the pitcher goes out of the game and a new pitcher goes in then Ohtani the DH is still just the DH. The DH never went into the field to play.

i still don't think they will let Ohtani pitch on 3 days rest after coming off his TJ surgery

I mean it doesn't make any more sense. Couldn't you just as easily say if Ohtani the pitcher warms up a bit and goes in that Ohtani the Dh is still DHing for the pitcher? It's silly.

Kind of. Essentially at the start of the game you have a chance to have 10 positions. They enter Ohtani as the pitcher and DH so he is taking up 2 positions. When the pitcher leaves the DH is still in the game.

When it happens the other way (not starting pitching) he is only listed as a DH. When the DH goes in to play defense you no longer have a DH and you have a pitcher only.

That is the way the DH rule is stated. You lose the DH when the DH plays defense.

Softball has an even more convoluted rule with a DP (designated player). That player can be something like a defensive only player where they don't hit. But they can hit and they can be moved around the lineup spot. I have never been able to wrap my head around the rules for the DP.

Right. I'm pointing out that it's stupid that they look at it differently. If I bring in some other pitcher out of the bullpen, I don't lose my DH.

I understand it and how it's applied. I am just pointing out that its dumb.

You have 10 positions the entire game. Ohtani the DH isn't entering the field. Ohtani the guy in the bullpen with all the other pitchers in the bullpen is entering. That's all.

It's not the same as putting him in CF.

 

[bagger]

This is all setting up for a game 7 ohtani pitching game. Nobody will doubt him as the greatest once the dodgers win in 7.

I would be surprised they use Ohtani on short rest especially when it's Glasnow's turn to be up

 

[Gally]

This is all setting up for a game 7 ohtani pitching game. Nobody will doubt him as the greatest once the dodgers win in 7.

I would be surprised they use Ohtani on short rest especially when it's Glasnow's turn to be up

Glanow only threw 3 pitches. He could still start but in general I was shocked. I am really surprised they would put Ohtani at risk on 3 days rest. But it is game 7. I just wouldn't do it.

 

[Tau837]

This is all setting up for a game 7 ohtani pitching game. Nobody will doubt him as the greatest once the dodgers win in 7.

I would be surprised they use Ohtani on short rest especially when it's Glasnow's turn to be up

Glanow only threw 3 pitches. He could still start but in general I was shocked. I am really surprised they would put Ohtani at risk on 3 days rest. But it is game 7. I just wouldn't do it.

They could be planning to start Ohtani with Glasnow as first reliever if game situation drives them to pull Ohtani before late innings. Then go to the rest of the bullpen. Ohtani gets to pitch and play DH all game, but they also get Glasnow if needed.

 

[Gally]

This is all setting up for a game 7 ohtani pitching game. Nobody will doubt him as the greatest once the dodgers win in 7.

I would be surprised they use Ohtani on short rest especially when it's Glasnow's turn to be up

Glanow only threw 3 pitches. He could still start but in general I was shocked. I am really surprised they would put Ohtani at risk on 3 days rest. But it is game 7. I just wouldn't do it.

They could be planning to start Ohtani with Glasnow as first reliever if game situation drives them to pull Ohtani before late innings. Then go to the rest of the bullpen. Ohtani gets to pitch and play DH all game, but they also get Glasnow if needed.

I assume that is the plan. I would guess Ohtani would be capped at 60-ish pitches but he has to start on the mound if they planned to use him at all. Glasnow probably 1st in relief

 

[Instinctive]

This is all setting up for a game 7 ohtani pitching game. Nobody will doubt him as the greatest once the dodgers win in 7.

I would be surprised they use Ohtani on short rest especially when it's Glasnow's turn to be up

Glanow only threw 3 pitches. He could still start but in general I was shocked. I am really surprised they would put Ohtani at risk on 3 days rest. But it is game 7. I just wouldn't do it.

They could be planning to start Ohtani with Glasnow as first reliever if game situation drives them to pull Ohtani before late innings. Then go to the rest of the bullpen. Ohtani gets to pitch and play DH all game, but they also get Glasnow if needed.

I assume that is the plan. I would guess Ohtani would be capped at 60-ish pitches but he has to start on the mound if they planned to use him at all. Glasnow probably 1st in relief

I mean you could double switch him to the field still right? If he came on in relief? I guess then you'd be limiting any other relievers to being PH for every time a P comes up.

 

[Zegras11]

Ohtani is starting pitcher