Is the ACF thread a red-headed stepchild? (1 Viewer)

[hammerd]

Seems to me that the threads over on ACF get very little play these days. Invariably there are maybe 3 or 4 responses at the most to a topic. I realize that alot of questions are somewhat covered by the info in this Shark section, and that alot of ACF threads suffer from redundancy, but there are also alot of legitimate questions that go ignored over there.

Also, I notice that alot of peeps try to disguise their ACF topics over here because of the lack of attention the same question may get over there. I completely agree that blatant & borderline ACF topics should be kept in that forum, but I think alot of it makes its way over here due the frustration from a lack of responsiveness.

Does this lack of attention to topics over on the ACF thread bother any of you?

 

[Godsbrother]

I rarely go to the ACF.

 

[JohnnyU]

I gave up on the ACF. I used to help a lot over there, but when I asked for opinions on a trade, or WDIS question, I usually didn't get a response, or it was a one or two word response followed by a "Please see mine". I've determined that forum is worthless, and the only time I go there now is to see if my league mates are asking for advice on a trade that I proposed to them. If so, I sign on as a different user and post in that thread that it's a wonderful trade for you

 

[moleculo]

I prefer to make my own decisions regarding trades/ WDIS. That being said, I don't want to hear about other peoples teams - I could care less, frankly.

That's the beauty of the ACF - gives people a forum to talk about their specific team without cluttering up the SP.

 

[Jayrod]

Seems to me that the threads over on ACF get very little play these days. Invariably there are maybe 3 or 4 responses at the most to a topic. I realize that alot of questions are somewhat covered by the info in this Shark section, and that alot of ACF threads suffer from redundancy, but there are also alot of legitimate questions that go ignored over there.Also, I notice that alot of peeps try to disguise their ACF topics over here because of the lack of attention the same question may get over there. I completely agree that blatant & borderline ACF topics should be kept in that forum, but I think alot of it makes its way over here due the frustration from a lack of responsiveness.Does this lack of attention to topics over on the ACF thread bother any of you?

I've noticed it, too. I would post polls, just hoping to get a decent number of votes on who to start and the best I ever got was about 9 votes. I would even vote/post in as many threads as I had something to say in while in there. Too little traffic, so I have really stopped going. FFA & the pool are much more enjoyable wastes of time.

 

[Mark Wimer]

There are several ways for posters to improve the ACF, IMO. First of all, run a search to see if your question has already been asked, and read the responses on the original thread, rather than starting a duplicate.

Secondly, if a person wishes to have a lively ACF forum, that person should be responsible and answer other people's threads courteously with answers of the same detail they would like to receive in their thread. Do onto others' threads as you would have done unto yours...

Ultimately, it is up to the forum participants to develop the ACF into a vibrant and responsive community. The boards are provided for that purpose, but the mods have their hands full (especially at this time of year, when the boards are very, very busy) eliminating spammers and policing inappropriate posts. I know I rarely have time to visit the ACF between writing content for the site and working to moderate the boards.

My .02.

 

[hammerd]

Do you guys think there could ever be changes to that forum that would make it more thought -provoking?

 

[Mystery Achiever]

There is a ton of traffic there -- problem is it is mostly asking for help vs. responding to others in return. sure there is some -- but not enough, i haven;t started a thread this year but have been answering a few questions a day where i'm up on the players involved. I also sometimes go thorugh and pick a few with no responses.

i understand novice players may not have much to add to help others, but beyond that, i think many posting do not respect others time by either responding to other posts (even if that person didn't respond to theirs) or in terms of the types of questions asked> By that I mean posts like

"Which team will win this week"?

"I already made the trade -what do you think"

"Pick my entire starting roster for me in both my leagues"

.... I don't touch these.

 

[wraith5]

My first year on this board (actually, the OLD board... before it was converted to THIS board), I spent most of my time there. Now, I can't remember the last time I logged into the ACF, and spend most of my time in the Pool. While I'm wasting my employers time, I'd rather be debating about Gado and Morency ad nauseum instead of telling people they should start WR X over WR Y, I suppose.

I know there are some guys who used to make it a point to visit ACF now and again, but don't know if they still do.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I prefer to make my own decisions regarding trades/ WDIS. That being said, I don't want to hear about other peoples teams - I could care less, frankly.

That's the beauty of the ACF - gives people a forum to talk about their specific team without cluttering up the SP.

I would have never guessed you basically don't give a spit about anyone/thing in here. The place is basically a joke to you.

 

[aardball44]

There is a ton of traffic there -- problem is it is mostly asking for help vs. responding to others in return. sure there is some -- but not enough, i haven;t started a thread this year but have been answering a few questions a day where i'm up on the players involved. I also sometimes go thorugh and pick a few with no responses.

I'll bet you trick-or-treated for UNICEF when you were a kid.

 

[JohnnyU]

I prefer to make my own decisions regarding trades/ WDIS. That being said, I don't want to hear about other peoples teams - I could care less, frankly.

That's the beauty of the ACF - gives people a forum to talk about their specific team without cluttering up the SP.

I would have never guessed you basically don't give a spit about anyone/thing in here. The place is basically a joke to you.

It's basically a joke to most.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You are more likely to get a response to what you are looking for if you write some thoughts in one of the bigger threads in the Shark Pool.

For example, the RB match ups I write enables posters to go in there and actually talk about their starters and possibly some tough decisions they are facing. Now you are not going to get 8 posts to respond to your 1 scenario but usually if you word it right and add something to the thread, either myself or many other posters will talk to you about whatever the week's situation is you have.

Most of the time if you read thru the Shark Pool you can get enough ino to make some fairly educated guesses/decisions for the upcoming week.

or you can just shake the magic 8 ball, that's what I do.

 

[jurb26]

Idunno, seems to work out OK for me still. I just use the rule of thumb that if I'm going to go over to the AC and ask a question I should always at least lend my opinion on 3-5 others before and after my post.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I prefer to make my own decisions regarding trades/ WDIS. That being said, I don't want to hear about other peoples teams - I could care less, frankly.

That's the beauty of the ACF - gives people a forum to talk about their specific team without cluttering up the SP.

I would have never guessed you basically don't give a spit about anyone/thing in here. The place is basically a joke to you.

It's basically a joke to most.

Definitely your opinion JU. One I don't share.

 

[moleculo]

I prefer to make my own decisions regarding trades/ WDIS. That being said, I don't want to hear about other peoples teams - I could care less, frankly.

That's the beauty of the ACF - gives people a forum to talk about their specific team without cluttering up the SP.

I would have never guessed you basically don't give a spit about anyone/thing in here. The place is basically a joke to you.

not liking "who are you starting Gore over?" type threads <> thinking this place is a joke.

I'm sorry, but that's how I feel. I come here for news and opinion, both of which are extremely valuable. WDIS, trade evaluations, etc. are not valuable to me.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Idunno, seems to work out OK for me still. I just use the rule of thumb that if I'm going to go over to the AC and ask a question I should always at least lend my opinion on 3-5 others before and after my post.

There's a reason you get a respons Jurb...you take the time to write in other peoples threads. Also, Wannabee really helps a lot of folks out over there and should be mentioned. Jeff Pasquino is over there a lot. In fact they have pinned threads at the top.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

There is a ton of traffic there -- problem is it is mostly asking for help vs. responding to others in return. sure there is some -- but not enough, i haven;t started a thread this year but have been answering a few questions a day where i'm up on the players involved. I also sometimes go thorugh and pick a few with no responses.

I'll bet you trick-or-treated for UNICEF when you were a kid.

Didn't everybody?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I prefer to make my own decisions regarding trades/ WDIS. That being said, I don't want to hear about other peoples teams - I could care less, frankly.

That's the beauty of the ACF - gives people a forum to talk about their specific team without cluttering up the SP.

I would have never guessed you basically don't give a spit about anyone/thing in here. The place is basically a joke to you.

not liking "who are you starting Gore over?" type threads <> thinking this place is a joke.

I'm sorry, but that's how I feel. I come here for news and opinion, both of which are extremely valuable. WDIS, trade evaluations, etc. are not valuable to me.

Fair enough. But usually when people are dishing opinions, it relates to their teams.

 

[JohnnyU]

Idunno, seems to work out OK for me still. I just use the rule of thumb that if I'm going to go over to the AC and ask a question I should always at least lend my opinion on 3-5 others before and after my post.

The reality is that, if anyone needs to ask WDIS, the guys answering your post are the same guys who don't have a clue on WDIS, because you just answered one of his. Not much value in WDIS threads really. It's more of something to make you feel better about your own decision, rather than valuable information. Every now and then you get some helpful infomation (injury status, etc.), but that can be found in the Shark Pool.

 

[moleculo]

I prefer to make my own decisions regarding trades/ WDIS. That being said, I don't want to hear about other peoples teams - I could care less, frankly.

That's the beauty of the ACF - gives people a forum to talk about their specific team without cluttering up the SP.

I would have never guessed you basically don't give a spit about anyone/thing in here. The place is basically a joke to you.

not liking "who are you starting Gore over?" type threads <> thinking this place is a joke.

I'm sorry, but that's how I feel. I come here for news and opinion, both of which are extremely valuable. WDIS, trade evaluations, etc. are not valuable to me.

Fair enough. But usually when people are dishing opinions, it relates to their teams.

the best opinions are from people who share local info on their hometown/favorite teams, which is irrelevant to who they have on their own team.

 

[Otis]

Do you guys think there could ever be changes to that forum that would make it more thought -provoking?

 

[jurb26]

Idunno, seems to work out OK for me still. I just use the rule of thumb that if I'm going to go over to the AC and ask a question I should always at least lend my opinion on 3-5 others before and after my post.

The reality is that, if anyone needs to ask WDIS, the guys answering your post are the same guys who don't have a clue on WDIS, because you just answered one of his. Not much value in WDIS threads really. It's more of something to make you feel better about your own decision, rather than valuable information. Every now and then you get some helpful infomation (injury status, etc.), but that can be found in the Shark Pool.

I don't really try and use the AC to alter my opinions... thats is what I use the SP for. I use it to better gage players value in respect to what others, less bias persons, would think (you know people who maybe don't own them or have traded them before). Any time you enter a trade there is the possibility that you are overvaluing YOUR players in respect to what others think and vic versa. This is more than likely why thay ended up being your players in the 1st place. I really try to use the AC to properly gage FMV. I don't think it should be used for much more than that. There are not many times that I don't know about circumstances or injuries regarding to players. I'm normally up to par on that.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I prefer to make my own decisions regarding trades/ WDIS. That being said, I don't want to hear about other peoples teams - I could care less, frankly.

That's the beauty of the ACF - gives people a forum to talk about their specific team without cluttering up the SP.

I would have never guessed you basically don't give a spit about anyone/thing in here. The place is basically a joke to you.

not liking "who are you starting Gore over?" type threads <> thinking this place is a joke.

I'm sorry, but that's how I feel. I come here for news and opinion, both of which are extremely valuable. WDIS, trade evaluations, etc. are not valuable to me.

Fair enough. But usually when people are dishing opinions, it relates to their teams.

the best opinions are from people who share local info on their hometown/favorite teams, which is irrelevant to who they have on their own team.

So what do you want to know about the LA Dodgers?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I think it't a nice idea, but my biggest weakness as a fantasy football owner is the start/bench decisions. I basically suck at them. So I'd rather not ruin someone else's season along with mine.

 

[JohnnyU]

So what do you want to know about the LA Dodgers?

Who's better, Chad Billingsley or Matt Cain (SF)?Who's better to own, Wilson Betimet or Andy LaRoche?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So what do you want to know about the LA Dodgers?

Who's better, Chad Billingsley or Matt Cain (SF)?Who's better to own, Wilson Betimet or Andy LaRoche?

Billingsley and BetimetGo Dodgers!

 

[Keys Myaths]

Honestly, at this point, I would stick with the pinned threads at the top.

Everyone else is just trying to get their own question answered, it seems.

 

[valhallan]

Do you guys think there could ever be changes to that forum that would make it more thought -provoking?

Unfortunately, you're right. FBGs has designed the ACF to be a filter for the Shark Pool and that's all it will ever be.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Also, someone last year suggested a rating structure for people who post and answer questions over there.

Would something like that help? Are there enough iEgos to want good ratings enough to actually take time to answer questions, instead of the "Gore, pls see mine" responses we currently get?

 

[3nOut]

I gave up on that forum. The problem with the ACF is that true sharks don't swim there. So basically its guppies and mid-level players (what's a good mid-size fish name?) that go there for advise. Do you really want their opinion? I'm not a shark nor a guppie, but I realized that if I'm going there for help, why would anybody want to listen to ME.

 

[aardball44]

Do you guys think there could ever be changes to that forum that would make it more thought -provoking?

Unfortunately, you're right. FBGs has designed the ACF to be a filter for the Shark Pool and that's all it will ever be.

A pool without a filter eventually ends up filled with scum. Present company excepted.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I gave up on the ACF. I used to help a lot over there, but when I asked for opinions on a trade, or WDIS question, I usually didn't get a response, or it was a one or two word response followed by a "Please see mine". I've determined that forum is worthless, and the only time I go there now is to see if my league mates are asking for advice on a trade that I proposed to them. If so, I sign on as a different user and post in that thread that it's a wonderful trade for you

Sorry to hear this. I'm guilty myself of not spending time there but I should. Helping folks get started is one of the most important things we can do for this board.

It doesn't have to be a constant 1 way street. Try to help teach the guys that are asking how you're coming to the conclusions with the idea that one day soon, they are answering questions for themselves.

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

And to add, I'm totally open for suggestions on how we can make it better while keeping the Shark Pool clear of individual league question stuff.

J

 

[ScottNorwood]

I'll open the Norwood Nightclub back up over there. That oughtta get us some play.

 

[jurb26]

And to add, I'm totally open for suggestions on how we can make it better while keeping the Shark Pool clear of individual league question stuff.J

Insentive program set up to reward posters who actually provide aid in the AC. Not just go over and ask a bunch of questions about their team. Give away subscriptions, hats, shirts.... people love that crap. Who knows maybe even a similar baseline as you did with the Spotlight threads. I dont' see this as a hard probelm to solve to be honest and thinkI mentioned all of these things a year or 2 ago.

 

[ScottNorwood]

And to add, I'm totally open for suggestions on how we can make it better while keeping the Shark Pool clear of individual league question stuff.J

Insentive program set up to reward posters who actually provide aid in the AC. Not just go over and ask a bunch of questions about their team. Give away subscriptions, hats, shirts.... people love that crap. Who knows maybe even a similar baseline as you did with the Spotlight threads. I dont' see this as a hard probelm to solve to be honest and thinkI mentioned all of these things a year or 2 ago.

I'll be answering questions simply for the love of the game

 

[jurb26]

And to add, I'm totally open for suggestions on how we can make it better while keeping the Shark Pool clear of individual league question stuff.J

Insentive program set up to reward posters who actually provide aid in the AC. Not just go over and ask a bunch of questions about their team. Give away subscriptions, hats, shirts.... people love that crap. Who knows maybe even a similar baseline as you did with the Spotlight threads. I dont' see this as a hard probelm to solve to be honest and thinkI mentioned all of these things a year or 2 ago.

I'll be answering questions simply for the love of the game

Not everyone is as kind hearted as you...

 

[Otis]

I prefer to make my own decisions regarding trades/ WDIS. That being said, I don't want to hear about other peoples teams - I could care less, frankly.

That's the beauty of the ACF - gives people a forum to talk about their specific team without cluttering up the SP.

I would have never guessed you basically don't give a spit about anyone/thing in here. The place is basically a joke to you.

Are you serious? When were you pronounced Guardian of The Honor of the Shark Pool? You've made this same statement about me in here, and it's absolutely laughable. We contribute just as much as you do around here, and without feeling the need to project some false sense of ownership of the place.I think moleculo makes some very good post in the Shark Pool. He knows how to be a goofball in the FFA and a contributor here.

 

[Otis]

I'll open the Norwood Nightclub back up over there. That oughtta get us some play.

IN

 

[JohnnyU]

So basically its guppies and mid-level players (what's a good mid-size fish name?)

How about Sharkabees

 

[Joe Bryant]

And to add, I'm totally open for suggestions on how we can make it better while keeping the Shark Pool clear of individual league question stuff.J

Insentive program set up to reward posters who actually provide aid in the AC. Not just go over and ask a bunch of questions about their team. Give away subscriptions, hats, shirts.... people love that crap. Who knows maybe even a similar baseline as you did with the Spotlight threads. I dont' see this as a hard probelm to solve to be honest and thinkI mentioned all of these things a year or 2 ago.

Never saw any of those suggestions.Tell me more about what you're suggesting specifically.What do you see as the problem and how do you think we solve it?J

 

[cstu]

The only thing would would make the ACF useful if there were weekly threads debating the matchups for different positions (one for QB, RB, TE). That I would go there for but not for what it is right now.

 

[Keys Myaths]

What do you see as the problem and how do you think we solve it?

The problem is simple, JB--selfishness. The ONLY reason anyone answers a question in there anymore is to post their own link with the answer--so hopefully, that person will get their own question answered. Usually, a one word answer with a link is left--leaving NO explanation, and really, no help.So, the solution, is to prey on that selfishness, and people's egos. People, when they know they're going to be RATED for their answers (and, assumedly, have their questions answered more), will then take the time to actually analyze a problem and give a detailed answer.

 

[Keys Myaths]

The only thing would would make the ACF useful if there were weekly threads debating the matchups for different positions (one for QB, RB, TE). That I would go there for but not for what it is right now.

You used to come to my thread. We miss you.

 

[ScottNorwood]

I'll open the Norwood Nightclub back up over there. That oughtta get us some play.

IN

 

[shredhead]

I'm gonna start posting shark pool threads over in the AC just to see if people start yelling at me for posting in the wrong forum. I can hear it now, "This post belongs in the Shark Pool!" " What are you, a rookie?"

I agree with all of you, the threads are wortheless over there. I'd much rather be reading 83 Wali Lundy threads that all say it is just a ploy to mo tiv ate Tater Be ll. I wonder what Bush's value in a dynasty is.

Sometimes (I know this might sound crazy) I actually get a little bit of satisfaction helping out the less experienced players. Remember you were all rookies once.

That being said, I probably spend about 90% of time in the SP and only 10% in the AC

 

[Otis]

And to add, I'm totally open for suggestions on how we can make it better while keeping the Shark Pool clear of individual league question stuff.J

Insentive program set up to reward posters who actually provide aid in the AC. Not just go over and ask a bunch of questions about their team. Give away subscriptions, hats, shirts.... people love that crap. Who knows maybe even a similar baseline as you did with the Spotlight threads. I dont' see this as a hard probelm to solve to be honest and thinkI mentioned all of these things a year or 2 ago.

Never saw any of those suggestions.Tell me more about what you're suggesting specifically.What do you see as the problem and how do you think we solve it?J

It's an interesting suggestion -- to reward people for giving advice in the ACF. The problem is this -- how do you measure it? Is it based on post count? It would be easy for anyone without much fantasy football knowledge or success to spend countless hours just posting responses to everyone's questions -- even if 90% of it ends up being total garbage. I think if you have some sort of incentive program it would have to be somehow based on merit/substance of the advice, and I imagine that somehow rating/grading advice given after each week would be an absolutely colossal undertaking. That said, if it could be done, I think it would be pretty cool to see posters having ratings based on the statistical success of their ACF advice over the course of a season.Again, this just seems impossible to do, but it would be sorta neat to know who gives the best advice.

 

[jurb26]

And to add, I'm totally open for suggestions on how we can make it better while keeping the Shark Pool clear of individual league question stuff.J

Insentive program set up to reward posters who actually provide aid in the AC. Not just go over and ask a bunch of questions about their team. Give away subscriptions, hats, shirts.... people love that crap. Who knows maybe even a similar baseline as you did with the Spotlight threads. I dont' see this as a hard probelm to solve to be honest and thinkI mentioned all of these things a year or 2 ago.

Never saw any of those suggestions.Tell me more about what you're suggesting specifically.What do you see as the problem and how do you think we solve it?J

It was a long time ago that the suggestions where made. I'm sure they are now lost in archives or something. It wa a thread eerily similar to this one however. The problem is that 95% of the people over there are only there to get their jollies off. They don't care about helping other people out so long as they get the answers they seek. On top of that, a lot of the "better" posters seem to think they are too good to travel over to the AC IMHO. It's liekt he other side of the tracks persay. Moreover, several well rounder posters have lost interest in the AC because of the selfish atmosphere created over there. I work in merchandising and I can tell you as dumb as it sounds, people love free crap... even if it is stupid crap like shirts or hats. You can easily ripen the pot with subscriptions and what not as well. The key is getting people to INTERACT over there. I really don't know if anything can actually work to be honest. I think far too many people just think the AC is bellow them and that is somewhat portrayed in this thread. If any kind of trila run was to be implemented however, I would suggest running a Weekly prize of some sort for people providing greatest insight in threads over there. I would do this only during the season for now. Thicken the pot by casting an overall winner for the month and giving a better prize. Then, at end of year a grand prize of some sorts.

 

[Keys Myaths]

And to add, I'm totally open for suggestions on how we can make it better while keeping the Shark Pool clear of individual league question stuff.J

Insentive program set up to reward posters who actually provide aid in the AC. Not just go over and ask a bunch of questions about their team. Give away subscriptions, hats, shirts.... people love that crap. Who knows maybe even a similar baseline as you did with the Spotlight threads. I dont' see this as a hard probelm to solve to be honest and thinkI mentioned all of these things a year or 2 ago.

Never saw any of those suggestions.Tell me more about what you're suggesting specifically.What do you see as the problem and how do you think we solve it?J

It's an interesting suggestion -- to reward people for giving advice in the ACF. The problem is this -- how do you measure it? Is it based on post count? It would be easy for anyone without much fantasy football knowledge or success to spend countless hours just posting responses to everyone's questions -- even if 90% of it ends up being total garbage. I think if you have some sort of incentive program it would have to be somehow based on merit/substance of the advice, and I imagine that somehow rating/grading advice given after each week would be an absolutely colossal undertaking. That said, if it could be done, I think it would be pretty cool to see posters having ratings based on the statistical success of their ACF advice over the course of a season.Again, this just seems impossible to do, but it would be sorta neat to know who gives the best advice.

Usually, it's done through a rating system that goes underneath someone's name on the left side of the screen. A few forums use this.