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[Cjw_55106]

Just trying to gauge if this is just in my area or around the country. My son is a freshman in high school. After his latest basketball game, they cleared the score and put 8 minutes on the clock. The kids that didnt get much playing time, played a mini-game for the eight minutes. I didnt know what was going on so I aksed the boy after I picked him up when he returned to the high school. He said they do it after every conference game. This was his first conference game of the year, so I had never seen, nor heard of it. Is this done anywhere else?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Just trying to gauge if this is just in my area or around the country. My son is a freshman in high school. After his latest basketball game, they cleared the score and put 8 minutes on the clock. The kids that didnt get much playing time, played a mini-game for the eight minutes. I didnt know what was going on so I aksed the boy after I picked him up when he returned to the high school. He said they do it after every conference game. This was his first conference game of the year, so I had never seen, nor heard of it. Is this done anywhere else?

Weird. Isn't that what JV is for?

 

[fantasycurse42]

They all get a trophy at the end of the game too.

I hear they bring in mock scouts to make everyone feel involved as well.

 

[Fat Nick]

Just trying to gauge if this is just in my area or around the country. My son is a freshman in high school. After his latest basketball game, they cleared the score and put 8 minutes on the clock. The kids that didnt get much playing time, played a mini-game for the eight minutes. I didnt know what was going on so I aksed the boy after I picked him up when he returned to the high school. He said they do it after every conference game. This was his first conference game of the year, so I had never seen, nor heard of it. Is this done anywhere else?

I can just hear the parents of the kids who got cut crying now about why they can't make the roster bigger...maybe organize a 2nd game for the kids who just barely got cut.

Grow up folks. Not every kid is good at everything. We can't all be Lebron.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Just trying to gauge if this is just in my area or around the country. My son is a freshman in high school. After his latest basketball game, they cleared the score and put 8 minutes on the clock. The kids that didnt get much playing time, played a mini-game for the eight minutes. I didnt know what was going on so I aksed the boy after I picked him up when he returned to the high school. He said they do it after every conference game. This was his first conference game of the year, so I had never seen, nor heard of it. Is this done anywhere else?

Weird. Isn't that what JV is for?

These are freshman. I assume they dont do it for any of the other levels, but I have no idea.

 

[Two Deep]

In our area, middle school football has what they call the 5th quarter..Same concept as what you experienced.

 

[eoMMan]

They all get a trophy at the end of the game too.

I hear they bring in mock scouts to make everyone feel involved as well.

And don't forget that the cheerleading B squad comes out and gives the players treats.

 

[Fennis]

They all get a trophy at the end of the game too.

I hear they bring in mock scouts to make everyone feel involved as well.

why do you have a problem with a scrimmage? That's just odd.

 

[fantasycurse42]

In our area, middle school football has what they call the 5th quarter..Same concept as what you experienced.

At the middle school level this is fair enough, but come HS it is time to start learning you might just suck at certain things... If you aren't good enough to get in during the first 32 minutes (HS is still 8 minute quarters?), then it might be time to give it up.

 

[rockaction]

Huh. Never heard of it, but I have absolutely no problem with it. Get 'em some game time. At worst it makes some kids feel good about participation and health given that at that age, they've got no recess.

At best, don't forget, if it's freshman basketball -- some of these kids haven't even hit puberty yet. Might want to let potential future all-stars hang their hat on at least some game time.

 

[Two Deep]

In our area, middle school football has what they call the 5th quarter..Same concept as what you experienced.

At the middle school level this is fair enough, but come HS it is time to start learning you might just suck at certain things... If you aren't good enough to get in during the first 32 minutes (HS is still 8 minute quarters?), then it might be time to give it up.

Do they still make cuts? I would guess not if they have a scrub playing time.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Seems like a good idea to give some young kids some 'kind of game' experience.

 

[rockaction]

In our area, middle school football has what they call the 5th quarter..Same concept as what you experienced.

At the middle school level this is fair enough, but come HS it is time to start learning you might just suck at certain things... If you aren't good enough to get in during the first 32 minutes (HS is still 8 minute quarters?), then it might be time to give it up.

No. People aren't developed in high school yet. We had kids that had never played hockey before until seventh or eighth grade wind up the captain of Harvard's hockey team. Not accurate, at all.

 

[Cjw_55106]

In our area, middle school football has what they call the 5th quarter..Same concept as what you experienced.

At the middle school level this is fair enough, but come HS it is time to start learning you might just suck at certain things... If you aren't good enough to get in during the first 32 minutes (HS is still 8 minute quarters?), then it might be time to give it up.

We play two 16 minute halves, but yes, 32 minutes. Im not upset about it, just never heard of it. I can see a couple benefits:

Gives the kids a chance to play/develop

Takes any pressure off the coaches to make sure the kids get at least some playing time.

Makes those that do play in the real games take more of a leadership role in the scrimmage (assuming the top 2-3 kids wont see time in the 8 minute game)

I cant speak for all schools as I assume its a numbers game, but yes, they made cuts at my son's school. I think they went from 19 to 12.

 

[Al O'Pecia]

And don't forget that the cheerleading B squad comes out and gives the players treats.

I went to an all boy's regional high school. Our cheerleaders were chicks who couldn't make their local public high school squad. Our cheerleaders couldn't even form a pyramid because they all had bottom row bodies.

 

[VA703]

They all get a trophy at the end of the game too.

I hear they bring in mock scouts to make everyone feel involved as well.

And don't forget that the cheerleading B squad comes out and gives the players treats.

B treats?

 

[Fat Nick]

And don't forget that the cheerleading B squad comes out and gives the players treats.

I went to an all boy's regional high school. Our cheerleaders were chicks who couldn't make their local public high school squad. Our cheerleaders couldn't even form a pyramid because they all had bottom row bodies.

FYI - The correct term is "base." "Bases" and "Climbers."

 

[Two Deep]

And don't forget that the cheerleading B squad comes out and gives the players treats.

I went to an all boy's regional high school. Our cheerleaders were chicks who couldn't make their local public high school squad. Our cheerleaders couldn't even form a pyramid because they all had bottom row bodies.

FYI - The correct term is "base." "Bases" and "Climbers."

I've heard the term "Flyers"

 

[Cjw_55106]

Its all about the base.

 

[Ned]

And don't forget that the cheerleading B squad comes out and gives the players treats.

I went to an all boy's regional high school. Our cheerleaders were chicks who couldn't make their local public high school squad. Our cheerleaders couldn't even form a pyramid because they all had bottom row bodies.

FYI - The correct term is "base." "Bases" and "Climbers."

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I kind of like the idea. Saves having to play players in the real game that are not yet ready, yet gives them a real world experience by getting them exposure against players from a different school. Not sure I would like this at the Varsity level, but for freshman/reserves I think it is a pretty good idea.

 

[Joe Summer]

This has been going on for decades. I was a proud member of the 5th Quarter All Stars when I was in 7th grade. (Our motto: "When we're not jackin', we're hackin'.")

 

[Doug B]

Weird. Isn't that what JV is for?

Sounds like this is the JV action.Might make sense for this conferences schools to consolidate gymnasium bookings. The scorers and refs are already there ... if all are agreed, why not? Might be a good way to train up alternate refs and scorers, too.

I have heard of high-school coaches/ADs agreeing beforehand to have a one-off practice exhibition after basketball & volleyball games. Maybe the conference is just taking that informal system and formalizing it?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

They had this when I was in HS a million years ago.

 

[Two Deep]

This has been going on for decades. I was a proud member of the 5th Quarter All Stars when I was in 7th grade. (Our motto: "When we're not jackin', we're hackin'.")

So you probably didn't get that elbow injury from hackin'

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Speaking of reserve games - my middle son is dating a girl on a HS JV Basketball team. I use the term loosely because really they are no better than reserve, just not enough girls try out. Anyway I promised to go watch one of the games. I had to sit for 32 minutes to watch a 70-3 abomination. Yes the 3 was a 3 pointer, it was made in the first period. 27-3 at the end of that stanza. So for the remainder of the game it was 43-0. Maybe they would have been better served by just playing a 5 minute game to save themselves the embarrassment.

 

[Fat Nick]

And don't forget that the cheerleading B squad comes out and gives the players treats.

I went to an all boy's regional high school. Our cheerleaders were chicks who couldn't make their local public high school squad. Our cheerleaders couldn't even form a pyramid because they all had bottom row bodies.

FYI - The correct term is "base." "Bases" and "Climbers."

I've heard the term "Flyers"

You know...you might be right. I know Bases are the thick girls though.

 

[TheIronSheik]

So this is the JJV. Nice. What about the kids who aren't good enough to play on the JJV team? How come they get screwed?

I won't be happy until every kid in the school is playing at some level, whether they want to or not. And this goes for every sport.

 

[Tom Servo]

Its all about the base.

All your base are belong to us.

 

[Cjw_55106]

So this is the JJV. Nice. What about the kids who aren't good enough to play on the JJV team? How come they get screwed?

I won't be happy until every kid in the school is playing at some level, whether they want to or not. And this goes for every sport.

This really isnt a difficult concept:

Freshmen: all 9th graders

B squad: primarily 10th graders and some upper level 9th graders

JV/Varsity: Any grades and their placement is dependant upon talent.

 

[Quez]

They all get a trophy at the end of the game too.

I hear they bring in mock scouts to make everyone feel involved as well.

They also bring in blow up dolls dressed like cheerleaders for them to bang.

 

[TheIronSheik]

So this is the JJV. Nice. What about the kids who aren't good enough to play on the JJV team? How come they get screwed?

I won't be happy until every kid in the school is playing at some level, whether they want to or not. And this goes for every sport.

This really isnt a difficult concept:

Freshmen: all 9th graders

B squad: primarily 10th graders and some upper level 9th graders

JV/Varsity: Any grades and their placement is dependant upon talent.

I get it. I think it's dumb. There's Varsity and there's JV. If you're not good enough to play on one of those two squads, go play rec ball at the Y. I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

 

[Cjw_55106]

So this is the JJV. Nice. What about the kids who aren't good enough to play on the JJV team? How come they get screwed?

I won't be happy until every kid in the school is playing at some level, whether they want to or not. And this goes for every sport.

This really isnt a difficult concept:

Freshmen: all 9th graders

B squad: primarily 10th graders and some upper level 9th graders

JV/Varsity: Any grades and their placement is dependant upon talent.

I get it. I think it's dumb. There's Varsity and there's JV. If you're not good enough to play on one of those two squads, go play rec ball at the Y. I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

B Squad wasnt around in my day. The freshmen level has always been there.

 

[Tom Servo]

So this is the JJV. Nice. What about the kids who aren't good enough to play on the JJV team? How come they get screwed?

I won't be happy until every kid in the school is playing at some level, whether they want to or not. And this goes for every sport.

This really isnt a difficult concept:

Freshmen: all 9th graders

B squad: primarily 10th graders and some upper level 9th graders

JV/Varsity: Any grades and their placement is dependant upon talent.

I get it. I think it's dumb. There's Varsity and there's JV. If you're not good enough to play on one of those two squads, go play rec ball at the Y. I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Both the JV and varsity played the same night against the same school. I can't imagine why you'd need another period for scrubs to play. I figured that's what JV is for.

 

[Cjw_55106]

So this is the JJV. Nice. What about the kids who aren't good enough to play on the JJV team? How come they get screwed?

I won't be happy until every kid in the school is playing at some level, whether they want to or not. And this goes for every sport.

This really isnt a difficult concept:

Freshmen: all 9th graders

B squad: primarily 10th graders and some upper level 9th graders

JV/Varsity: Any grades and their placement is dependant upon talent.

I get it. I think it's dumb. There's Varsity and there's JV. If you're not good enough to play on one of those two squads, go play rec ball at the Y. I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Both the JV and varsity played the same night against the same school. I can't imagine why you'd need another period for scrubs to play. I figured that's what JV is for.

As Ive already stated, I dont think they do it for any level other than Freshmen.

 

[Fennis]

So this is the JJV. Nice. What about the kids who aren't good enough to play on the JJV team? How come they get screwed?

I won't be happy until every kid in the school is playing at some level, whether they want to or not. And this goes for every sport.

This really isnt a difficult concept:

Freshmen: all 9th graders

B squad: primarily 10th graders and some upper level 9th graders

JV/Varsity: Any grades and their placement is dependant upon talent.

I get it. I think it's dumb. There's Varsity and there's JV. If you're not good enough to play on one of those two squads, go play rec ball at the Y. I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Both the JV and varsity played the same night against the same school. I can't imagine why you'd need another period for scrubs to play. I figured that's what JV is for.

they aren't playing an official game, they are practicing.

 

[avoiding injuries]

How did your son play in the added time?

 

[Doug B]

I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

For some schools, it's simply developmental ball. Again, the scorers, refs, gym maintenance, etc. are already in place. Costs about the same to transport 20 kids as it does to transport 12. Extrra costs, beyond some time, are trivial.

For some other schools, some sports are more like "clubs" than uber-competitive enterprises. You can think of these multi-level squads at large high schools as a 25-man "basketball club". It's less about beating out all competition to earn varsity slots and more about getting to play organized "pick-up" basketball. No harm, IMHO.

 

[TenTimes]

It makes sense to do it with the freshmen, everybody should be allowed to at least try to play a high school sport for one year. Sophomore and above = no bonus time.

Freshmen couldn't be cut at my school, and I figured that's how most all public high schools were/are.

 

[TheIronSheik]

So this is the JJV. Nice. What about the kids who aren't good enough to play on the JJV team? How come they get screwed?

I won't be happy until every kid in the school is playing at some level, whether they want to or not. And this goes for every sport.

This really isnt a difficult concept:

Freshmen: all 9th graders

B squad: primarily 10th graders and some upper level 9th graders

JV/Varsity: Any grades and their placement is dependant upon talent.

I get it. I think it's dumb. There's Varsity and there's JV. If you're not good enough to play on one of those two squads, go play rec ball at the Y. I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

B Squad wasnt around in my day. The freshmen level has always been there.

I never heard of Freshmen level. And, FTR, I'm not trying to attack you or anything. Just stating that I think it's dumb.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

So this is the JJV. Nice. What about the kids who aren't good enough to play on the JJV team? How come they get screwed?

I won't be happy until every kid in the school is playing at some level, whether they want to or not. And this goes for every sport.

This really isnt a difficult concept:

Freshmen: all 9th graders

B squad: primarily 10th graders and some upper level 9th graders

JV/Varsity: Any grades and their placement is dependant upon talent.

I get it. I think it's dumb. There's Varsity and there's JV. If you're not good enough to play on one of those two squads, go play rec ball at the Y. I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Both the JV and varsity played the same night against the same school. I can't imagine why you'd need another period for scrubs to play. I figured that's what JV is for.

they aren't playing an official game, they are practicing.

Right. It's like a game situation practice against an opponent. No real downside that I can see.

 

[Doug B]

they aren't playing an official game, they are practicing.

As are some of the refs sometimes.

Cjw, do you ever notice bench coach changes, or even (say) a senior player taking over the coaching duties?

 

[TheIronSheik]

I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

For some schools, it's simply developmental ball. Again, the scorers, refs, gym maintenance, etc. are already in place. Costs about the same to transport 20 kids as it does to transport 12. Extrra costs, beyond some time, are trivial.

For some other schools, some sports are more like "clubs" than uber-competitive enterprises. You can think of these multi-level squads at large high schools as a 25-man "basketball club". It's less about beating out all competition to earn varsity slots and more about getting to play organized "pick-up" basketball. No harm, IMHO.

Again, if they want to learn, go play rec ball. Those people may already be there, but time is money. I'm sure it costs money to keep people there 30 minutes to an hour longer.

 

[Cjw_55106]

How did your son play in the added time?

Thats cold.

He actually did play the last two minutes of it. We only had two kids that didnt play at all in the real game, so the coach rotated the other three spots.

 

[Cjw_55106]

they aren't playing an official game, they are practicing.

As are some of the refs sometimes.

Cjw, do you ever notice bench coach changes, or even (say) a senior player taking over the coaching duties?

No.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

For some schools, it's simply developmental ball. Again, the scorers, refs, gym maintenance, etc. are already in place. Costs about the same to transport 20 kids as it does to transport 12. Extrra costs, beyond some time, are trivial.

For some other schools, some sports are more like "clubs" than uber-competitive enterprises. You can think of these multi-level squads at large high schools as a 25-man "basketball club". It's less about beating out all competition to earn varsity slots and more about getting to play organized "pick-up" basketball. No harm, IMHO.

Again, if they want to learn, go play rec ball. Those people may already be there, but time is money. I'm sure it costs money to keep people there 30 minutes to an hour longer.

Funny you should mention money...it may behoove a school to keep a bigger roster of scrubs for the fees to afford refs, etc.

 

[Cjw_55106]

So this is the JJV. Nice. What about the kids who aren't good enough to play on the JJV team? How come they get screwed?

I won't be happy until every kid in the school is playing at some level, whether they want to or not. And this goes for every sport.

This really isnt a difficult concept:

Freshmen: all 9th graders

B squad: primarily 10th graders and some upper level 9th graders

JV/Varsity: Any grades and their placement is dependant upon talent.

I get it. I think it's dumb. There's Varsity and there's JV. If you're not good enough to play on one of those two squads, go play rec ball at the Y. I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

B Squad wasnt around in my day. The freshmen level has always been there.

I never heard of Freshmen level. And, FTR, I'm not trying to attack you or anything. Just stating that I think it's dumb.

How many 14-15 year old freshman do you think are good enough (or tall enough) to play with 17-18 year old seniors?

 

[Fennis]

I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

For some schools, it's simply developmental ball. Again, the scorers, refs, gym maintenance, etc. are already in place. Costs about the same to transport 20 kids as it does to transport 12. Extrra costs, beyond some time, are trivial.

For some other schools, some sports are more like "clubs" than uber-competitive enterprises. You can think of these multi-level squads at large high schools as a 25-man "basketball club". It's less about beating out all competition to earn varsity slots and more about getting to play organized "pick-up" basketball. No harm, IMHO.

Again, if they want to learn, go play rec ball. Those people may already be there, but time is money. I'm sure it costs money to keep people there 30 minutes to an hour longer.

is it ok for them to practice at other times of the week? You just don't like them practicing after the game ends?

 

[TheIronSheik]

So this is the JJV. Nice. What about the kids who aren't good enough to play on the JJV team? How come they get screwed?

I won't be happy until every kid in the school is playing at some level, whether they want to or not. And this goes for every sport.

This really isnt a difficult concept:

Freshmen: all 9th graders

B squad: primarily 10th graders and some upper level 9th graders

JV/Varsity: Any grades and their placement is dependant upon talent.

I get it. I think it's dumb. There's Varsity and there's JV. If you're not good enough to play on one of those two squads, go play rec ball at the Y. I don't understand why there have to be 4 levels of teams for a single high school.

B Squad wasnt around in my day. The freshmen level has always been there.

I never heard of Freshmen level. And, FTR, I'm not trying to attack you or anything. Just stating that I think it's dumb.

How many 14-15 year old freshman do you think are good enough (or tall enough) to play with 17-18 year old seniors?

It was never an issue when I was growing up.

 

[sublimeone]

It's a great idea. How many kids are actually in the active rotation? 8? Why not get the rest of the team a scrimmage against some new competition? I don't see the correlation between this and "everyone gets a trophy."